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PSYCLONES (band) page

Hi, I am trying to keep the page PSYCLONES (band) page. For some reason it was set for deletion. The page was made over 20 years ago. User, I have no idea. But I would like to make sure the page is not deleted. Psyclones is a note worthy band, and one of the first experimental industrial bands of the 80's. Please help to keep it on. Jcfbkl (talk) 17:01, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Wikipedia only carries articles on subjects which meet our notability criteria (that would be WP:BAND for the Psyclones). THe draft provides zero evidence of this, and you need to provide evidence to the contrary. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:12, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

(Personal attack removed) ~2026-32824-88 (talk) 17:38, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

A member of the band wrote this, not me. Jcfbkl (talk) 17:45, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

How do you know that a member of the band wrote this? Do you have a personal connection to the band? CodeTalker (talk) 19:23, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

The evidence is LPs, CD's and cassete still available on the internet from various music labels. Subterranean Records, and Permanent Records. Also Ladd-Frith Music, plus Amazon Music and Bandcamp. What more proof do you need? Many many other bands don't even have one record out and they exist on Wikipedia. Why is more proof needed?? Jcfbkl (talk) 17:41, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

The article originally written about 20 years ago on Wikipedia. The evidence of proof is the band is a viable note worthy band of the 80's that help lift the genre of experimental industrial music to the whole world. Jcfbkl (talk) 17:47, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Wikipedia's rules were far less strict than they are nowadays. If it couldn't pass in 2006 then it probably won't pass now. GarethBaloney (talk) 18:15, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

It has been updated and all has been fixed. Please remove the discussion of deletion tag. Than k you. Jcfbkl (talk) 18:24, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

AfD deletion tags do not get removed as long as the deletion debate is ongoing. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^MUSHROOM 18:33, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

I think it is over. Thank you. Jcfbkl (talk) 18:34, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

It is not over. I just commented on it, and based on timestamps the deletion debate only just started. (Deletion debates run a full week barring a swift and overwhelming unanimous consensus for one outcome.) —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^MUSHROOM 18:48, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @Jcfbkl.

I'm afraid that existence is not enough, and nor are primary sources.

A Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what the majority of people who are wholly unconnected with the subject have independently chosen to publish about the subject in reliable publications, (see Golden rule) and not much else. What you know (or anybody else knows) about the subject is not relevant except where it can be verified from a reliable published source.

Unless such independent, in-depth sources exist, there is literally nothing that can go into an article, and no article is possible. ColinFine (talk) 19:52, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Correct redirect categorization?

Hello, for this redirect, did I apply the correct categories? Special:Diff/1357629775

• Redirect *from* alternative spacing
• Redirect *to* same page with diacritics

I'm questioning that second one about diacritics because technically the redirect is not the exact same page, due to the alternative spacing. If that makes sense. Thanks for your help! Chao Garden 🌱 ~ say hello 18:57, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @Chao Garden. I've never used those categories, but looking at their documentation pages, it looks right to me. ColinFine (talk) 19:56, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Looks fine to me; I don't think {{R to diacritic}} needs the page to be exactly the same. If you'd like you can add an {{R from avoided double redirect}} tag to redirects like this. I am bad at usernames (talk · contribs) 21:43, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

I can't find the button to access random articles.

I can't find button to access random articles Huldah42 (talk) 22:16, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

@Huldah42: You posted from the mobile version so tap the hamburger button ≡ at the top left and then "Random". PrimeHunter (talk) 22:25, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Finding uses of a website as a reference

Reading Nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide I found a spam link. Is there any way of searching Wiki to find other uses of it? Red Fiona (talk) 18:38, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Couple of methods, but the easiest is probably to use https://spamcheck.toolforge.org

The other option would be to manually find them using the search bar, with insource:"url here". In solidarity, nil ^nz 19:01, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Thank you :) Red Fiona (talk) 19:16, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

I see several different IPs and accounts who had added links to the site you found at NAD. None seem to be recent, so probably nobody worth warning or blocking. Thanks for tracking and cleaning them! DMacks (talk) 00:14, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

I want to become Editor

Hello. I enjoy editing Wikipedia but I don't have a specific topic area that I am deeply interested in or knowledgeable about. Is it acceptable to contribute mainly through general maintenance work such as reverting vandalism, adding categories with HotCat, fixing formatting issues, copyediting, adding references, patrolling recent changes, and other cleanup tasks? If so what are some good areas or workflows that experienced editors would recommend for someone who wants to help improve Wikipedia without focusing on a particular subject area? ProTrump1 (talk) 20:43, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

I would suggest keeping an eye on recent changes pages. You can keep an eye out for material that may be tagged for vandalism or other similar material. Other ones would be highly visited articles which are prone to vandalism. Andrzejbanas (talk) 20:52, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice. I am currently an autoconfirmed user and mainly edit from mobile. Would Twinkle be suitable for vandalism reversion and maintenance work or are there other tools that experienced editors would recommend for mobile users? ProTrump1 (talk) 20:55, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

It is absolutely acceptable, and in fact very helpful, to contribute with this general maintenance work. The page Wikipedia:Task Center has a good list of these kinds of tasks, including links to go to a random page in a category of pages needing specific help. SomeoneDreaming (talk) 00:57, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

typo on george michael page

the line is "someone wrote the graffito "Wham!" It should be spelt Graffiti.

itd at the end of the legal problems section Damps (talk) 05:27, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

No, "graffito" in reference to a single piece is correct. (The word is Italian in origin, and "graffiti" is that word's plural form.) —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^MUSHROOM 05:31, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

You might look at graffito in Wiktionary. -- Hoary (talk) 06:38, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Footnotes

I separated the footnotes from sources in Jason and the Argonauts (1963 film), but the former isn't showing up. What did I do wrong? Clarityfiend (talk) 03:05, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

@Clarityfiend: I think the problem could be with the <refn> syntax you used for the in-body notes; maybe <ref group=nb> will work better. You could also use WP:NFN with the syntax {{efn}} and {{notelist}} for the notes. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:52, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Clarityfiend, one of your notes: <refn|group=nb|It took Ray Harryhausen well over three months to animate the skeleton sequence.</ref>. I haven't knowingly encountered refn before (I use Template:Efn) and so can't guess just what you're attempting here, but your markup treats refn a hybrid tag/reference, which can't be right. Perhaps use the combination of Template:Efn and Template:Notelist? Their docs are easy to digest and implement. -- Hoary (talk) 06:51, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks. I read WP:REFNEST rather than WP:REFGROUP. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:10, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Clarityfiend, WP:REFNEST recommends {{refn|group=nb|A footnote.<ref>A reference for the footnote.</ref>}}, but in your Harryhausen example you have the equivalent of <refn|group=nb|A footnote.</ref>}}: rather different. -- Hoary (talk) 09:40, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Standard information

Why is it that profiles often identify individuals as Jewish or of Jewish origin, while this is rarely the case for individuals of other religions or ethnic groups? Are there any policies regarding inclusion of such information? ~2026-32332-54 (talk) 11:46, 31 May 2026 (UTC) David J. Fleischmann

See MOS:ETHNICITY, and the essay Wikipedia:Jew-tagging. There are clearly sometimes legitimate reasons to comment on someone's ethnicity and/or religion in a biography - i.e. when it is actually relevant to their notability, but there is no question that it has been emphasised to excess in articles on Jewish people, and we are aware of the issue. I'd like to say we are taking steps to fix it, but the reality is that it involves a lot of donkey-work, and removal of such content sometimes meets well-meaning resistance. AndyTheGrump (talk) 11:57, 31 May 2026 (UTC)

I appreciate the effort regarding avoidance of 'Jew-tagging.' But there is an underlying question that seems to have been addressed mainly by avoidance. The style guide says that "Ethnicity, religion, or sexuality are generally inappropriate for inclusion in the opening paragraph, unless they are explicitly due emphasis in a person's life... Substitution of ethnicity or religion for nationality, or mixing or equating nationality with ethnicity (i.e., Polish-Jewish) are discouraged in the context of the opening section of an article." Why is it that we automatically accord key importance to nationality? It is an easier key to identification, but is it necessarily the most important one, the one most revealing of a life? Conversely, if religion is an important factor in providing an understanding of a Jewish individual's life and significance, shouldn't Christianity (and the sect or variety) be noted in a comparable way for others, instead of seeming to be a default assumption? ~2026-32332-54 (talk) 11:42, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Can someone please check James A. Garfield's wiki page and fix his potrait?

Currently watching Death by Lightning and I checked the wiki page and got spooked by the portrait being Garfield the cartoon cat ~2026-33144-07 (talk) 09:59, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Y Already fixed. Thanks for the heads up! SomeoneDreaming (talk) 12:22, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Can translate.google.com.ws be used as a source

For titles like Hoʻoponopono, can we use translate.google.com.ws as a source to the english translation? Samoaa Fisho (talk) 05:55, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

You cite the original source. Translation services are just tools to help make sense of what is written. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 06:23, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

If this is for translations for individual words/phrases, since automatic translation tools are not reliable secondary sources, I do not think that it would be appropriate to cite Google Translate for the translation of a word or phrase. It would be more appropriate to cite a suitable dictionary or topical encyclopedia. – Scyrme (talk/solidarity) 12:46, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

That translation is sourced to Google translate and a dictionary and the dictionary is quoted later in the article. I would suggest removing Google translate as a source. TSventon (talk) 13:58, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Infobox

Hello,

I am editing a wiki page and wanted to add an infobox. I looked up how to do this and it said to click 'insert' in the editor. This button is not available for me. Is there another way to add this?

Thank you! Sum25003 (talk) 16:00, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

@Sum25003: It depends which editor you are using. In the source editor you can write the infobox code manually. The code should be documented on its template page but you didn't say which infobox you want. If you use VisualEditor then in the mobile version it has no Insert button for some reason, probably a bug. In the desktop version it does have Insert. You can switch between the mobile and desktop version on a "Desktop view" or "Mobile view" link at the botttom of pages (maybe not during an edit). You can switch between the source editor and VisualEdior on a pencil icon at the top right while editing. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:46, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Thank you! Sum25003 (talk) 14:23, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Use of images posted in public Discord servers as per Wikipedia's non-free content policy

In trying to find suitable images of a copyrighted work for inclusion as an article's lead image according to the requirements for non-free content, I was wondering if images of the copyrighted work posted by the copyright holder in a public Discord server fulfil criterion 4 for "Previous Publication". In short, are images posted by the copyright holder in public Discord servers considered to be "published"? Thanks for the help. ~2026-33064-13 (talk) 02:32, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @~2026-33064-13. That question's a bit specialist: I suggest asking at WP:MCQ. ColinFine (talk) 16:00, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Copyright terms on 1927 uk book

Hi Folks!! Is a 1927 UK book still in copyright. This is it scope_creep^Talk 14:13, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

@Scope creep: what do you want to do? Wikipedia:Non-US copyrights#UK Copyright says The UK Copyright service has a good summary. The legal basis is the 1988 Copyright, Designs and Patents Act, and subsequent modifications and revisions. In particular for literary, artistic works, copyright ends 70 years after the last surviving author dies or if unknown, 70 years after creation or publication. TSventon (talk) 15:09, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Hi @TSventon: I would like to put a {{PD-notice}} on a reference if its public domain. Hector Charles Cameron died in 1958. Would that mean its not PD for at least 18 months. scope_creep^Talk 15:23, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

I am not an expert, hopefully someone else can answer, if not you could ask Diannaa. Obviously she is busy so explain the situation for her. TSventon (talk) 16:00, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

@Scope creep: also I can't see a chapter "A Short Account of the Evolution of Lister's System of Antiseptic Surgery" on pp. 15–61, am I missing something?

@Scope creep: the book enters the public domain on 1 January 2029. Mjroots (talk) 17:38, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

@Mjroots: I'll put a chapter on it. That is cool. I think Diannaa will probably concur. I was planning to speak to MarchJuly in commons, but it will likely the same answer. Thanks folks. scope_creep^Talk 17:46, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

If you're in the US, before 2029 you can upload images from it to Wikipedia and tag with {{PD-USonly}}. If you're not in the US, ask someone who is. Anything published before 1931 has entered the US public domain, so Wikipedia accepts it even though Commons doesn't. Nyttend (talk) 20:08, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Is it possible to delete Hare and Wolf or does it need fixing

So does the article Hare and Wolf need fixing because the article has one reference and that reference is not working. SillG (Hi! Want to talk?) 20:50, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Hi Sillcosisgogol. In general, a WP:DEADLINK doesn't automatically mean the link has zero value to Wikipedia as a reliable source because sometimes a work-around can be found as explained in WP:DEADREF. A single link to YouTube, though, typically not sufficient in and of itself to establish the Wikipedia notability for a TV program per WP:NTV. Does this mean the article needs to be deleted? Not necessarily because someone (you perhaps) can WP:FIXIT and find additional sources to cite in the article to better establish the subject's Wikipedia notablity. A lack of notability can't be WP:OVERCOME, but a lack of reliable sources being cited sometimes can per WP:NEXIST if such sources can be found. Maybe a good thing to do in this case would be to ask the members of a WikiProject like WP:TV or WP:VIETNAM to take a look at the article to see whether there's a way to improve it or whether it can't be fixed. You should try to do a WP:BEFORE before nomininating, prodding or otherwise tagging any article for deletion just because it lacks cited sources because that's one of the first things you will be asked about if you don't and your self-assessment of the subject matter's Wikipedia notablity turns out to be incorrect. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:53, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

For background, it seems that an equivalent vi Wikipedia article, vi:Thỏ và Sói, was deleted in 2015 as it had no content. TSventon (talk) 22:02, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks Marchjuly SillG (Hi! Want to talk?) 22:06, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Log-in issue

Over the past week or so, I'm getting notices in the morning when I go to a page and try to do something like writing a message, asking me to log in because — for some unknown reason — I'm logged out even though the previous day I got a similar statement about being logged out and accordingly logged in as requested. So again I log in, only for the same thing to reoccur the following day.

I've never had this happen before and I can't think of anything unusual going on that might account for it. Help, please. Augnablik (talk) 12:45, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

It may be the browser. At the time of a web login, you are asked if you want to stay logged in for up to a year, and this sets a HTTP cookie. This should prevent login requests every time you visit the site. Try different browsers, and check that they are not clearing cookies when you close the browser.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 13:04, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

IanMacM (sounds like a braw Scottish name!), I have replied every time that I'm asked that I do want to stay logged in up to a year. That's what seemed particularly odd about this situation.

The browser I'm using is Chrome, but it's the same one I've been using for quite some time when I work in Wikipedia. Although I use other browsers, I'd really prefer to reserve Chrome just for my Wikipedia work for several reasons. Any other possible remedies? Augnablik (talk) 13:29, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

If you try replicating the fault with different devices and browsers, it may be possible to narrow down the fault to a particular device or browser. Then you could try uninstalling and reinstalling the browser that causes the problem.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 13:52, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

The plot thickens. On the two other browsers I use, DuckDuckGo and Safari, I got mixed results: DuckDuckGo, fine—worked correctly as Chrome used to, with me logged in; Safari, same issue as Chrome recently, with me not logged in.

Now, if I follow step 2 of your advice and uninstall/reinstall Chrome, won’t I lose all my history, bookmarks, settings, and tab groupings? Augnablik (talk) 16:19, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Possibly, but it is often possible to export bookmarks and passwords and import them after reinstalling the app, eg with Chrome here.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:29, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

All right, I’ll give it a try if I can get up enough nerve. But why did this happen in the first place is what I’d like to understand … and is there anything I can do to prevent if from happening again? Augnablik (talk) 04:24, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

@Augnablik- Hmm, I would try asking at WP:VPT? They will probably know more about what's going on/can point you on how to make a bug report. Sarsenet•he/they•(talk) 04:54, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks, @Sarsenet. Augnablik (talk) 05:46, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

I think you can archive this discussion now. Augnablik (talk) 07:59, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Trying to Give Helpful Information to a Ultra-Rare Community

Hi, I am trying to edit the Glanzmann Thrombasthenia page to include an extremely valuable piece of information that will allow those who actually have the disease to reach out to someone else with it for the first time. It is that rare, one in a million.

It seems my change is dismissed everytime, I am trying to link to curegt.org. It is unfortunate that only the big players are allowed to be linked there, especially when they cannot offer meeting others with it. PeterZdziarski (talk) 18:19, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @PeterZdziarski.

Please look at What Wikipedia is not.

A Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what the majority of people who are wholly unconnected with the subject have independently chosen to publish about the subject in reliable publications, (see Golden rule) and not much else. What you know (or anybody else knows) about the subject is not relevant except where it can be verified from a reliable published source.

Unless an independent reliable source (see WP:42) has talked about something, it may not go into an article, no matter how many people might find it useful - and for medical subjects we have a higher criterion for what is a reliable source: see WP:MEDRS.

I get that you are wanting to help people; but what you want to help them with is something which is not appropriate for Wikipedia. Sorry. ColinFine (talk) 18:29, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

That doesn't make sense to me at all. But ok. PeterZdziarski (talk) 18:42, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

PeterZdziarski I might also suggest that you read this page which goes into more detail about what ColinFine was saying. I think social media is probably a better place for you to do what you are trying to do.

I gather that you are probably affiliated with this organization? Please see conflict of interest.

I'm not sure what you mean by "the big players"; no other websites are linked to from that article. If you are referring to the sources, those sources are provided to support the information in the article, not as a means to promote an organization. 331dot (talk) 19:44, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

PeterZdziarski, some of what Colinfine said wasn't on topic — your initial comment sounded as if you'd added a big chunk of text about this organisation, and Colin's comment would have pertained to that. Basically, please remember that this page is an encyclopedia article, so the webpages of organisations in this field really shouldn't be included, simply because you can understand about this disease without knowing about an organisation for those with it. Our external links standards says that organisations' websites shouldn't be included like this, except when they're the official websites of the subjects, which is not the case here because the disease doesn't run the website. I'm sorry, but we have to distinguish links that are generally good (like yours) from links that are genuinely encyclopedic. Nyttend (talk) 20:33, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Essentially, @PeterZdziarski, it would be like if you walked down the street taping this website's URL to the front of random businesses. People tend to be under the mistaken impression that Wikipedia is some kind of one-stop-shop for all information and resources about a given topic, but we are not. Much like those random businesses in the street, we do not use our articles as bulletin boards where people can post whatever relevant links they would like. Athanelar (talk) 05:20, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

At this point, I've been told in every possible way why I am wrong and what is right. I will be unsubscribing from all future comments, but if more people want to tell me how I am wrong, providing a ton of links that I will not be clicking, go for it. PeterZdziarski (talk) 11:00, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Logging in

When I tried to login, I got a message saying that an e-mail was being sent to my registered address for verification. I have had this e-mail address for many years, and the redacted version looked correct. However, I never received an e-mail in either my inbox or spam folder. Attempting to reset my password with the "forgot password" ploy also failed. Can you help? My username is Herb Huston. ~2026-33246-45 (talk) 11:56, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

@~2026-33246-45: If you know the password then mail cawikimedia.org. Don't send the password. Your mail provider may block mail from us as suspected spam so suggest another email address if possible. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:08, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Will you help Nicole Wolfe, please.

I am Robert D. Gauthier. Will you assist the Commander in chief. ~2026-33390-79 (talk) 11:00, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Wikipedia has no article about a Nicole Wolfe. Is the assistance related to Wikipedia? If so, please explain. -- Hoary (talk) 11:58, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Do you mean this person () otherwise I am confused what you are talking about. I love RYCBARM (talk) 13:31, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Article overwritten

Dear all,

I have stumbled over the article Medianet, which had its subject changed in January 2026 (diff). Previously, it described a TV channel from the Maldives, now it details an Australian media analysis company.

I believe that, given notability of both subjects, there should be two articles, no? How to handle that, given the original article is currently overwritten? Best regards, Fallen Sheep (talk) 12:57, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

I've restored it to the original topic; the user should submit a draft via the Article Wizard. I think they may be a paid editor. 331dot (talk) 13:03, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Wouldn't be surprised if this was a clever UPE avoiding scrutiny by hijacking an existing article. The Australian media company version of the article shows no signs of passing WP:NCORP. Athanelar (talk) 16:16, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

@331dot In fact, I have immediately found offwiki evidence that proves without a doubt YangZhou0316 works for Medianet (the Australian company). Obviously I won't out the user by saying precisely how I did it, but I should imagine you can figure it out and find the evidence yourself. Athanelar (talk) 16:19, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for your assistance, @331dot and @Athanelar! Fallen Sheep (talk) 18:07, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

EasyTimeline extension fail to work on multiple articles.

Several articles appear to have broken EasyTimeline renders. Examples include Star Trek, President of Vietnam, and President of the Philippines. In part of the page that would display the timeline, they instead shows the error message:

Timeline error. Could not store output files.

This does not appear to be limited to a single article, and may be affecting many other pages that use the EasyTimeline extension. I would like to know: What is the likely cause of this error? Is this something that can be fixed by editors, or does it require developer intervention? Is there a way to identify other affected pages across Wikipedia?

Any guidance or answer for any of the above would be appreciated. AjinGixtas (talk) 10:32, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

@AjinGixtas: It's also reported at Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Broken timelines and phab:T428063. The latter says: "Note: The cause is known and described on a private task." I guess that means we should just wait for a fix without discussing it more. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:12, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Thank you, hopefully that will be resolved soon. AjinGixtas (talk) 21:02, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Repairing old split

Hello. I have been editing the page History of Notre Dame Fighting Irish football which I assumed was split out from Notre Dame Fighting Irish football given similar wording. Checked page history and yep that was at the main article first, but the creator (a since blocked user) back in 2009 did not provide attribution, and also the material was never removed from the main article, leading to an article that's 13151 words and seems to contain pretty much the entire text of the sub-article within it. I can edit out some of the detail from the main article, but I'm not sure what the proper steps are for attribution. A dummy edit now seems weird since the actual split was many years ago.... SomeoneDreaming (talk) 22:32, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

SomeoneDreaming A dummy edit is the textbook answer. You could also add {{Copied}} to both talk pages. In this case many people would guess where the newer article was split from. TSventon (talk) 23:50, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Worst edit

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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What is the worst possible type of vandalism/disruption? ~2026-32374-40 (talk) 03:03, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Hi! You may want to post such questions at Wikipedia talk:Vandalism, or the Teahouse. As for an answer, exceptionally egregious disruption typically comes in the form of copyright violations or page-move vandalism, although I feel the urge to ask: why do you want to know? - BlueEleephant (talk · contribs) 03:09, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

As an April fools prank ~2026-32374-40 (talk) 03:10, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

This is a reference to the Simpsons by the way ~2026-32374-40 (talk) 03:13, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

As an April fools prank It is not April fool's yet, and serious vandalism is prohibited on April Fools' here, see Wikipedia:Rules for Fools and Wikipedia:Disruptive editing#April Fools' Day. Matter of fact, April 1st wont start for another 298 days. If you do want to troll, maybe try being a little less egregious with April fools' trolling when April 1st arrives, or go to Uncyclopedia. - BlueEleephant (talk · contribs) 03:16, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

I posted it on here because it is an advanced question ~2026-32374-40 (talk) 03:12, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Verification Email Not Received

I deleted my cookies and when I tried to login I get the verification code prompt. I check my email and spam and they never arrive. I tried password reset and its the same problem. Stuck and need help. Never had an issue with my email before. ~2026-33428-38 (talk) 03:44, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Please see "Logging in", above. -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 04:13, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Source editor apparantly hates me now

Source editor has gone berserk and is trying to "help" me by offering suggestion about how to finish my words. Dirves me nuts, how do I turn it off? Can't fine a button in Preferences right off. Thanks. Herostratus (talk) 12:43, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

@Herostratus, is this perhaps your device that’s doing this? I don’t recall this being a thing within Wikipedia. Electricmemory (talk) In solidarity 13:10, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

I think this may be due to the change to mw:Parsoid. The new parser will offer suggestions if you start writing a link, HTML tag, or a template. If you turn off the syntax highlighter it also turns the suggestions off, but you'll be looking at the raw source without colour-coding. I don't think there's a way to keep highlighting and only turn off the suggestions. I also don't think you can revert to the old parser now that it's been rolled out (though I may be wrong about that, idk).

If you're getting suggestions for ordinary text, not just links/templates/HTML, then I think this is a problem on your end rather than with Wikipedia's source editor. – Scyrme (talk/solidarity) 13:14, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

I agree. Me, in particular 13:38, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

IABot

I am not able to use this on the article Lokesh Cinematic Universe; every time I try, it says "abusefilter-disallowed-archivetoday". That is understandable per WP:ARCHIVETODAY, but there are no archive.today links on the article. Is this solvable under "Manage URL data"? Kailash29792 (talk) 05:24, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

@Kailash29792: I'm not sure if why, but the edit you attempted did try to add an archive.today link to one reference instead of an archive.org. MKFI (talk) 10:26, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks. Manually changing this link in IABot from archive.today to Wayback will fix it? Kailash29792 (talk) 10:30, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

It should, try and see. MKFI (talk) 13:50, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

BLP of my Professor; deletion of incorrect links

Hello,

In trying to help with the Women in Red project, I wanted to create a page for Heidi Hopkins, an entomologist and close friend of mine. I reached out to her to ask if I could get any references or examples of her work to use as resources. I also asked if she was the correct person from two other pages where she is linked (Special:WhatLinksHere/Heidi Hopkins), namely the ones about the bicycle races. She said that she is not connected with the racing, and that she does not find it necessary to have a page for herself and her accomplishments. I want to honor her request, and I was unable to find her research or other information about her from any reputable sources. Can someone please help me submit the page for deletion, as well as de-linking her name from the bicycle race articles?

Thank you kindly,

Mismeander 💬Talk 12:39, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

@Mismeander I have flagged the page for deletion. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:21, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

@Mismeander, done. The page wasn't really viable anyway Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:41, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

I don't see any particular reason to remove the redlinks for the cyclist. It is common for different people to have the same name and incoming links should be checked when an article is created, see Wikipedia:Red link#Non-unique names. TSventon (talk) 13:55, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Sleeping dragon (protest tactic)

I want to move Sleeping dragon (manoeuver) to Sleeping dragon (protest tactic)

it is not a frequently edited article

just do it?

Xo4v (talk) 15:49, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Seems a legitimate move, but there's no hurry. I'd suggest it on the talk page first, and if nobody objects in say a week or so, make the move. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:53, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Destubbing articles

If I destubbed an article which is not related to any nationality for eg. Vierordt's law, can I add it to the WP:50KDE challenge? Sddarealone (talk) 15:38, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Sddarealone you could ask that at Wikipedia talk:The 50,000 Destubbing Challenge. In the e.g., Vierordt was German, so you could add a German flag. TSventon (talk) 15:58, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Updating an Existing Wikipedia Page in my Husband's name.

• Link: Rudy Buttignol

Hello, There is an existing Wikipedia page for my husband, Rudy Buttignol.

It was created about 10 years ago.

It requires updating regarding career/employment changes.

I do not know the technicalities of Wikipedia's editing process. I do have the appropriate references for the career/employment changes; and I can figure out whete the changes should be inserted.

Is it appropriate for me to ask for help from Wikipedia editors?

Thank you for any help.

Margaret Buttignol ~2026-33540-77 (talk) 18:27, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

The main thing to be mindful of is the WP:SCAMs you are likely to be targeted by since you have expressed interest in having your husband's article edited. Please read the info in that link, and absolutely do not accept any offers to update the article in exchange for payment. Athanelar (talk) 19:33, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello Margaret, the best course of action is to propose changes on the article's talk page using the request edit system with the template {{edit COI}}. Theroadislong (talk) 19:38, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

The edit request wizard may help. 331dot (talk) 19:39, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Minor suggestion to avoid newbie errors on TPs

SUGGESTION: Include a simple notice like "Add your entry at the bottom" in the Talk Page top template for ALL articles.

RATIONALE:

Finding this in the Talk Page requires scrolling about 10 screens down to reach the "New topics and headings on talk pages" (which also should be the first section).

I am sure this is a very common newbie error. I have been scolded (".. for the nth time, [jp1008]!") for putting my comment at the top of a TP and have only learned this after over 6 months of frequent editing!

Lastly, putting it first rather than last is the more intuitive thing for a newbie. It is easier for one. And second, one could argue that seeing the latest comment first would be better than scrolling to the end. But Wiki rules need to be adhered to. You just shouldn't need to learn it through a scolding.
Jp1008 (talk) 22:38, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Are you editing on mobile or desktop? If you're on desktop, there's a "add topic" button along the top bar on the right hand site which might be easier than scrolling all the way down. Not sure if there's an equivalent button on mobile.

Many talk pages use Template:Talk header, which does have a line specifying "Add new text under old text" and a button that allows you to start a new topic, but it's not universally used. The documentation leads me to believe that there are reasons for that, but I'm not sure what they are. You could ask on the template talk page. SomeoneDreaming (talk) 00:56, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

@Jp1008: the issue you raise is not a big one. It is easily dealt with when it happens. As you say yourself, you have been educated as to where you were going wrong. You're still a newbie at 6 months editing. You will make much bigger mistakes in the future. The important thing is that you learn from them when you make them. Mjroots (talk)

I did say it was a minor issue, but thanks for the reply. And the ... encouragement? LOL
Jp1008 (talk) 22:51, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Editing on Chrome, iOS. The Tea Room and this page do have the "Add Topic" button, but I have not seen that in any TP so far. Anyhow, I thought it might reduce the frustration of old editors and "avoid chaos" as I was told, and it may not be too hard to add it to the standard TP template, me thought. I'll just leave it at that. Jp1008 (talk) 03:57, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello @Jp1008

I understand that it can be difficult for new users; However the other side is it shouldn't also clutter Wikipedia for everyone else. One way to do that is with editor help panel which does not teach new editors what to do on talk pages. You could suggest this idea to mw:Talk:Growth/Focus on help desk as they can directly implement your idea if a successful discussion is made. I love RYCBARM (talk) 08:23, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks, but isn't this Help Desk? Perhaps you meant some other place?
Jp1008 (talk) 16:40, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

I think I have fixed the link. TSventon (talk) 16:56, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

User Likes and Reviews

Dear Team, Please add the feature user Like and Review feature also in each page without login. ~2026-33362-11 (talk) 17:40, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

No. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Object Class: Drygioni} 17:46, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Really, No! ColinFine (talk) 18:24, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Hi, this is Wikipedia, an online encyclopedia. We don't have the like or review features for anyone, logged in or not. ^{In solidarity,} 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 (They/them • Ping me!) 18:26, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Wikipedia is replete with opportunities to review articles. (If you'd just like to make a discrete suggestion or two for an article, then you may do so on its talk page. Thus you'd make a suggestion for the article Odious number in Talk:Odious number.) If on the other hand you want to express your opinion on the subject of an article, please do so on some other website. -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 04:04, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

Ninjago Legends

Good afternoon. Should the Ninjago Legends shorts be added to the episode list? ~2026-22534-68 (talk) 16:38, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @~2026-22534-68.

I have no idea what this is about, but almost all questions of the form "Should X be added to article Y" are best asked at the talk page of article Y, where people with knowledge and interest about Y are more likely to see them and have an opinion. ColinFine (talk) 17:14, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

https://ninjago.fandom.com/wiki/Ninjago:_Legends ~2026-22534-68 (talk) 17:24, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

We have no control over Wikia/Fandom wikis; you should be asking this question there. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Object Class: Drygioni} 17:47, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

I meant that they could be added here. ~2026-22534-68 (talk) 17:53, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

When you say that you "meant that they could be added here", exactly what do you mean by "here", ~2026-22534-68? -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 21:37, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Here on Wikipedia. ~2026-22534-68 (talk) 21:57, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Where on Wikipedia? -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 22:05, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Now requested by OP at Talk:List_of_Ninjago_episodes#Ninjago_legends. I still have no idea exactly what source is being proposed for the information. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:40, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

links and text disappears by itself

Hi, I have been having trouble with the links I shared on my wiki page. It seems like one moment they turn blue and half an hour later it says page doesnt exist. But maybe worse is that I enter text and it is there when I open the sand box, but when I publish it is just gone. I have no idea how I will receive an answer with this request for help, but I hope you can sed me a notification or an email. Thanks in advance, Stefanie Namax71 (talk) 19:09, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Can you share more details? Your sandbox seems to have content in it right now. What happens when you click publish or try to add a link? ^{In solidarity,} 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 (They/them • Ping me!) 19:25, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

@Namax71: I have fixed a lot of syntax errors. See Help:Referencing for beginners. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:35, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Namax71, although PrimeHunter did indeed fix a lot of syntax errors, he doesn't claim to have fixed the related problems. You should read, digest and act on what's written in the page "Wikipedia:Bare URLs". -- Hoary (talk) 22:23, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Yes it has all the content, but one paragraph is not showing when I push on publish page. So I need it to be visible on the main page, the one you go to when you click publish page. Thanks in advance! Namax71 (talk) 20:36, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

@Namax71: I fixed a new syntax error. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:24, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

That is awesome, Thank you! Namax71 (talk) 13:37, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

EasyTimeline error issues..

Greetings:

How can I fix an error as I was trying to modify an already set table under the EasyTimeline template? Because it says "Timeline error. Could not store output files" even when I'm trying out a preview of said edit. Any ideas?

jlog3000 (talk) 18:36, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

@Johnluisocasio: It's a known bug. Just wait for it to be fixed. See #EasyTimeline extension fail to work on multiple articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:46, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

Greetings. And I see. I guess I'll let it play out and see what happens. Because I was planning to like make small re-edit modifications on some table graphs under that extension. But thanks for the hint at least. jlog3000 (talk) 19:51, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

Uncategorized redirects

Is there a way to get a list of all uncategorized redirects on Wikipedia? Category:Uncategorized pages seems to exclude redirects, and Category:Uncategorized redirects does not exist. – Scyrme (talk/solidarity) 13:33, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @Scyrme.

I suspect PETSCAN can do this (though I have never used it myself). ColinFine (talk) 17:11, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Possibly, but I'm not sure how I would configure it to do so. – Scyrme (talk/solidarity) 18:41, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

If anyone knows how PetScan could be used to do this, I'd very much appreciate the help. – Scyrme (talk/solidarity) 14:30, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

It may be possible with PetScan but there are a lot of uncategorised redirects. This Quarry query shows just the 2428 in mainstpace beginning with "Aa". Category:Uncategorized redirects is a nice idea but its members would, by definition, be ineligible for membership... Certes (talk) 14:58, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

Regarding ineligibility for membership, you could say the same about Category:Uncategorized pages. Regardless, I'm not proposing to create Category:Uncategorized redirects; I'm just looking for a way to find uncategorized redirects. – Scyrme (talk/solidarity) 16:03, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

"A lot" is right. I'm actually seeing more uncategorized redirects in mainspace (6115073) then categorized ones (5802125). It's a little worse if you look specifically at redirect categories (per WP:Categorizing redirects, all normal redirects should be in at least one): 5486104 categorized, 6431094 not. At the other end of the spectrum, there are 28 redirs with more than a hundred categories each and three with more than 200: Constitution of the Food and Agriculture OrganizationConstitution of the Food and Agriculture Organization with 219, Constitution of the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural OrganisationConstitution of the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organisation with 213, and Constitution of the World Health OrganizationConstitution of the World Health Organization with 210. —Cryptic 16:57, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for this. Looking at the table for the 28 redirects with more than hundred non-rcat categories, it looks like the table is a bit off since some of the titles actually list multiple redirects with pipes separating the titles. Not sure why. – Scyrme (talk/solidarity) 19:26, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

Nvm, I think I understand what's going on with this table. Those are articles with the same stats, and the pipe has just been used to list them.

I've gone ahead and made sure all those entries with more than 27 categories have at least 1 rcat, even if it is just a drop in the ocean when compared with the over 6 million redirects without any categories.

If I've understood these figures right, there are ~316,021 redirects that have a normal article category but no rcat, which means most redirects have neither (if these figures are right). – Scyrme (talk/solidarity) 21:58, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

Mass typo fixing

Hello, two or so weeks ago, I noticed advanced searches for "2st" and "3nd" return over 340 results each, and realized that with that many results, I was bound to rack up a lot of edits merely fixing those typos, even if only a fraction are genuine typos. Then, a few days ago, I saw the article Commonly misspelled English words, and realized the advanced searches I have already done are only the tip of the iceberg.

So, knowing I may end up editing over 1,000 articles by completing advanced searches for dozens of these typos, I've came here for guidance on rate limits, best practices, etc, and consensus if there isn't a better way to do this, although I do have a few last things to say:

List of 4 large dashed points (I apologize for the wall of text)

  -  There are many different advanced searches, all of varying sizes, so I would imagine that filing AutoWikiBrowser requests would be cumbersome to do and for the performing user to complete notwithstanding the dash below, so in the event that any collection of typo fixes were incorrect, it would be less urgent to get the attention of a user that was editing rather slowly, versus somebody working on AWB at possibly 5+ EPM. However, I could very well be wrong on this, as AWB may be able to do more then what is stated at WP:AWB.

  -  Although these advanced searches may return several thousand results total, I know only a fraction are genuine typos, as references, abbreviations, quotes, proper names, and templates may contain the typo-like strings in question, but they won't be typos per the context they are in; e.g. THST restored the loco to operational condition... from Telford Steam Railway.

  -  These edits will be done manually, aided only by the advanced searches, so if I see several typos while in the edit window, I will most definitely fix those too, and typically will also scour the article for any other worrying symptoms, unless I have done so many edits consecutively that going down the list of potential typos becomes mindless enough to where I zone out, but I doubt that as I won't be editing very quickly.

  -  Per the above dash and the edits that I have already made that have been typo fixing, I will be editing at a pace of roughly one or potentially two edits per minute, so slower than most bots, although my edit summaries will of course be mostly the same.

- BlueEleephant (talk · contribs) 02:09, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Yes, you can file AWB requests, you can also get AWB or JWB yourself. I've used AWB quite a bit, and with a regex with a bit of regex tweeking, you should be able to limit yourself to genuine ones. Let me know if you'd like help there, or just come over to WP:AWB to discuss. And as for speed, on simple ones like that, generally it is easier to ask forgiveness on speed. And don't worry about number of edits, if 340 need fixing that's 340 edits.Naraht (talk) 02:27, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

• you can also get AWB or JWB yourself Thanks, but although I do have 500 edits now, I doubt that I am eligible for AWB/JWB access, and even if I am, I don't think it would change much besides make typo fixing faster, which per my third dash above, likely won't be a good (or bad) thing. Additionally, I likely wouldn't need AWB/JWB for much outside of these typo fixes.
• and with a regex with a bit of regex tweeking [sic] I know nothing about regex besides the fact that it is used in the spam blacklist, and although Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Regular expression has guidance on regex, I am not sure if that will be needed here, per the above bullet.
• you can file AWB requests True, but wouldn't filing 30+ AWB requests be just as cumbersome for others and/or myself as making all 1000+ edits myself, especially considering they would have to tick off each request as {{done}}? (See last dash in {{collapsed top}})

With regards to the last sentence in your reply: I mostly knew that for (likely) uncontroversial typo fixes like here, edit speed isn't worth worrying about unless you are outpacing very fast bots like MonkBot, although non-script assisted edits don't commonly reach high editing speeds anyway. (See last dash) - BlueEleephant (talk · contribs) 02:45, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

BlueEleephantAlso, the query you have for 3nd is giving a *lot* of situations where is something like 3nd army group being a redirect to 3rd. Those can be ignored (or are at least a separate question as to whether they are logical redirects. If you want to see the ones that you'd hit, I'd suggest searching for insource:/3nd/ , that will give ones where that string actually occurs in the article. you can tweek that with insource:/[^a-z][0-9]*3nd[^a-z]/ to get rid of some of those three characters are in a longer text string, but still getting those where it is someone in 33nd place. That gave me 121 hits (before the regex timed out), but it looks like about half are valid things to fix. Of course at that few, you may want to do them by hand. :)

(It may not surprise you that I do regex as part of my job.) Naraht (talk) 02:36, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

the query you have for 3nd is giving a *lot* of situations where is something like 3nd army group being a redirect to 3rd. Those can be ignored ... Oh, I know, that is the neat part of how I do typo fixes based off of advanced searches: if I find an instance where the supposed typo isn't actually a typo, (see second dash) I will just skip it, or if it looks like it might be a typo, I will typically investigate further to see if it really is, which sometimes involves looking through cited sources, although this isn't always possible, unfortunately.

With regards to the third sentence of your comment, I have been aware for a while of the insource: trick, but I didn't realize how complicated it can get, wow. - BlueEleephant (talk · contribs) 02:54, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Hit an edit conflict, with your further comment, oh well. Try a few, see how *you* work and go from there. And as for how complex the insource can get. I have the following in my commonly used entries in my browser

There are two levels of insource, one with double quotes which is sort of normal and the other with slashes which is where you use regex. (and I've got some regex insource queries that make *that* look simple that I actually use.)

You've got good instincts on this. Just take a small bite at the beginning. If it helps, you can ask my talk page as well, I'm on almost every day.Naraht (talk) 03:11, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Try a few, see how *you* work and go from there I already have! If you look deep enough through my contributions, you will see quite a lot of typo fixing, including quite a bit from advanced searches of typos listed at Commonly misspelled English words, but if I should do a trial run of ~30 or so typo fixes in a row, then I will gladly do so assuming the edits will not be disruptive, which was why I first initiated this thread.

Hit an edit conflict, with your further comment Oh, sorry then! Just a minute ago, I was involved in two sections simultaneously, so I felt the need to write a lot, which of course, are perfect conditions for edit conflicts. - BlueEleephant (talk · contribs) 03:24, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Posted to your talk page. No prob on edit conflicts, it happens. :)Naraht (talk) 03:28, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

I've completed a trial of 44 instances of "3nd", see my recent edit history, which represents about 4.4% of the total edits I'm imagining to make within the next few months, or even year, or so. Chances are, there may be other uses who would like to help complete advanced searches for typos on the master list, which would be nice as the effort could be split across users, some of which are far more experienced in mass typo fixing than I am, although for such tedious work, I wouldn't imagine very many would be interested, which is fine. - BlueEleephant (talk · contribs) 18:35, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

BlueEleephant I suggest looking at Wikipedia:Typo Team. There may be some useful advice on their project page, and their members may be interested in what you are doing. TSventon (talk) 18:56, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

My method of choosing typos to fix is dominantly built on the guidance at that page, although I somehow didn't think about posting a link to this thread on WT:TYPO, which would certainly be a much better idea then posting a notice to here at WP:BOTN, which was my original idea.

their members may be interested in what you are doing Considering the typo team has over 1,000 members, I am honestly surprised I never thought about alerting the project, my mistake! - BlueEleephant (talk · contribs) 19:40, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

I started something similar a few years ago using JWB. It needs a semi-automated human effort and is certainly not a bot task. You have plenty of good ideas and I wish you every success, but the main reason I stopped was lack of certainty over what the correct text should be. "3nd" may be a typo for "2nd", "3rd" or something else – "end" is only a fat finger away. Deciding which is right in each case may take some research or even be impossible. Of course, higher numbers also go wrong. The ordinal suffix should usually match the last digit but beware of exceptions such as 11th and 112th. Certes (talk) 20:49, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Of course, higher numbers also go wrong. The ordinal suffix should usually match the last digit but beware of exceptions such as 11th and 112th True, although now that I have mostly completed an elaborate advanced search graciously provided by Naraht, I will soon be moving on to other advances searches, like "2st", which also returns a whole lot of results. The only plausible correct texts here should be 2nd & 1st, since the string "qst" is unlikely to be found in many articles outside URL links and links to the magazine. - BlueEleephant (talk · contribs) 23:20, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for taking this task on, and good luck! That search produces good results but times out. In general, insource:/whatever/ alone is very inefficient and does not complete, because it has to test every word of every article. Adding insource:3nd without the slashes produces more results and avoids overloading the servers but at the expense of missing cases where 3nd is part of a word such as 23nd – these would need separate searches. There will still be false positives such as the interlinear gloss 3nd and a few postcodes but they should be obvious. Certes (talk) 10:22, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

I have now completed another round of 53 typos, this time from "2st", which now represents 9.7% of 1,000 possible edits.

Considering nobody from WT:TYPO has came here yet, maybe @Chris the speller would be interested / have some guidance. - BlueEleephant (talk · contribs) 18:05, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

A good, quick WP search is

~"2st" insource:/ 2st /

but most hits require considerable research to determine what they should be changed to, and that is more digging than I usually want to sign up for. Chris the speller ^yack 19:10, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks!

It doesn't seem like anybody has had opposition to this project yet, so if it continues to stay that way, then I suppose I will boldly go ahead and fully begin mass-fixing typos from the master list. (See above) - BlueEleephant (talk · contribs) 01:46, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Infobox Image

How to insert image on the infobox of page IMGTMC (talk) 04:07, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Exactly the way you did in your sandbox. 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 (They/them • Ping me!) 06:15, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

@IMGTMC: Most infoboxes only want the file name and then add their own formatting. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:30, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Did you actually take that photograph of Angelo Agcaoili? It matches one I see on social media and both the overall composition and the person himself look artificially created. DMacks (talk) 12:43, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, as I assume that it for public use. Is there anything I need to adjust? If so, I would really appreciate if you could guide me please. IMGTMC (talk) 05:09, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

@IMGTMC Yes, you took the picture yourself, or yes, you got it from his social media? If it's from his social media, you can't use it on Wikipedia. Someone else will need to guide you in what to do, and I think it will be deleted. David10244 (talk) 06:15, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Eric Stephens (cricketer)

Reference help requested. The ISBN in the book is 978-1-94907-46-8 - what is incorrect in this format? Thanks, DJohn73 (talk) 19:45, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

You only included twelve digits; ISBNs beginning with 978 are thirteen digits. Go back to the book itself and count the digits. If there are indeed only twelve, well, we can all blame the publisher for failing to comply with the standards, and someone else will have to help you because I won't know what to do. But if you missed one, just add it and things should be fine. Nyttend (talk) 20:35, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Editor Nyttend is somewhat mistook. Twelve digits are given here by OP, in the article, thirteen are given. Compare the error messaging:

ISBN 978-1-94907-46-8 {{isbn}}: Check isbn value: length (help)

ISBN 978-1-914907-46-8 {{isbn}}: Check isbn value: checksum (help)

Still the advice has value: Go back to the book itself and make sure that the ISBN provided in the {{cite book}} template matches the value provided in the book. If there is a digit-for-digit match, wrap the ISBN with accept-as-written markup; which see.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 21:38, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

To the contrary: 13 is the worldwide standard. Ask any anglophone librarian (including me) about it, and you can get heaps of information. Nyttend (talk) 00:06, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Yes, I know that. But Qwerfjkl (bot) was highlighting Editor DJohn73's edit that created this broken reference (permalink) in which |isbn=978-1-914907-46-8 has thirteen digits. The attached error message is not complaining about length but is complaining that the checksum doesn't match the check-digit. Recalculating the check-digit (assuming that all other digits are correct) gives this:

ISBN 978-1-914907-46-3

but that is likely wrong, though worth the try, because neither google nor worldcat recognize that isbn as valid.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 00:42, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Possibly ISBN 978-1-914407-46-8 . TSventon (talk) 00:54, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

(ec) Looking at the picture of the back of teh book on Amazon, the isbn is ISBN 978-1914407-46-8. DuncanHill (talk) 00:55, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Many thanks - the ISBN 978-1914407-46-8 seems to have worked, despite the actual book I have in front of me saying 978-1-914407-46-8 ! DJohn73 (talk) 10:40, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

@DJohn73 What you say is on the book matches what TSventon listed at 00:54 UTC. I don't think the placement or number of dashes is significant in ISBNs. TSventon's link works too, I believe, as does DuncanHill's. David10244 (talk) 07:03, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Account Role

Hello, I would like to inquire about the process to become an admin. Thank you for your guidance. DominicHeal2000 (talk) 05:56, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

See WP:RFA for one of the two main ways editors become admins (admin elections are the other). That said, most candidates need at least 10,000 edits, among other things, to be considered, so if you're thinking of running yourself, you've a long way to go. ^{In solidarity,} 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 (They/them • Ping me!) 06:23, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi DominicHeal2000. There's some general information on this in Wikipedia:Request for adminship and Wikipedia:Administrator elections, but the vetting process can be a bit harsh so you might also want to take a look at Wikipedia:Advice for RfA candidates just to get a bit of a feel for what it entails. Generally, Wikipedians selected as admins are those who have demonstrated to the Wikipedia community that they have a really good grasp of most of Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, and how they are to best be applied. They also tend to fairly experienced at editing across a variety of different areas of the project. While there's no specific number of edits one needs to have made or a specific number of years one needs to have been editing, users with a fairly low total edit count like yours (if you're asking about you yourself becoming an admin) tend to scrutinized a bit more than perhaps someone with a more established editing history simply because there's less for others to base an assessment on. Furthermore, the fact that your account is also described as being retired might make some question your motivation for becoming an administrator. This doesn't mean becoming an admin is impossible per se; it just means it might be a bit hard without a more established editing history, and you might find many telling you "not yet". -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:29, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Admin here - being an admin isn't really that big a deal. Yes, you get some extra tools to use; but those tools bring extra responsibilities. It's really better to wait to be nominated. When I was first asked about whether I would like to become an admin, I didn't think I was ready, and said so. A couple of years later I was ready, ran and passed an RFA. A big factor in gaining the confidence of other editors is how you handle yourself when disputes occur. Mjroots (talk) 08:29, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Alternate template for OpenStreetMap?

I'm wondering if there is an alternate template that directly uses OpenStreetMap over Wikimedia Maps. I'm wondering about this for a park, specifically Brian Piccolo Park, because OpenStreetMap's map of the park has a much more informative map over Wikimedia Maps, although the only template I see uses Wikimedia Maps. If there is not a more informative template, would it then be possible to upload a screenshot of the OpenStreetMap map, of course with given credit, or is that not allowed for whatever reason? Thank you! SonOfYoutubers (talk) 19:07, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

@SonOfYoutubers The map in the infobox of that article is already from OSM and you can click on it and then zoom in so that what you eventually see is pretty much what you would get directly from OSM. If you want to investigate further, you should probably take a look at OSM's own wiki about collaborating with Wikipedia. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:31, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull It's doesn't seem to be the same, given that Wikimedia Maps is a separate service. When you zoom in, you don't see the fields like on OpenStreetMap, such as the baseball fields and the soccer/football fields. But, based on the link you gave, I'm assuming it would be possible to just screenshot the map and just follow the guide it gives for crediting OpenStreetMap, if I'm not mistaken? SonOfYoutubers (talk) 18:55, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

@SonOfYoutubers Yes, you can use Commons:template:OpenStreetMap and if you need some examples, then check by using the "What links here" tool and looking at file locations. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:46, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

withdrawals

I keep getting a request for information regarding my withdrawals but I have never made any.

Just to let you know that we need some additional information to process your withdrawal. this is a copy of the request Les McCloskey (talk) 10:48, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

@Les McCloskey: I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 7.1 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:52, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

It sounds like something a scammer might write to get information and use it illegally so be very careful. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:57, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Featured article of the day nomination

Is it required to be a major contributor of a featured article to be able to nominate it? Looking at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests I see a lot of nominations that have the nominator be the "major editor" and I just need clarification if it's compulsory or optional. Soccer Tees (talk) 09:56, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

[Attempting to answer your question led me to discover that User:Raul654 hasn't edited in years. Nyttend (talk) 10:05, 8 June 2026 (UTC)]

@Soccer Tees: Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests says: "Editors who are not significant contributors to the article should consult regular editors of the article before nominating it for TFAR." PrimeHunter (talk) 11:27, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Citizen Vigilante

Reference help requested.

Thanks, ChristianKarnick (talk) 21:13, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @ChristianKarnick.

It's telling you that you haven't specified the title of the item (|title = ...) which is required.

I'd have inserted it, but that website is not available in my region - I guess the title might be simply "Citizen Vigilante", but maybe it's something else. ColinFine (talk) 22:43, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

@ChristianKarnick I fixed it for you. ColinFine was correct about the title. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 00:21, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

Infobox NRHP

I have created an article about a house on the National Register of Historic Places: "Lulu Hopping House." I have essentially copied the code in "Infobox nrhp" from similar articles into my article. For some reason the resulting infobox does not call the usual 2nd line, "National Register of Historic Places." Everything else works as expected. It does call the secondary listing, "NM State Register of Cultural Properties." I cannot see the difference between my Infobox and those on similar articles. G.H.Jarrell (talk) 15:24, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

@G.H.Jarrell: The line depends on refnum. refnum = SG100012951 doesn't generate the line and doesn't make a link at "NRHP reference No". refnum = 100012951 would do both but the link would be the broken https://npgallery.nps.gov/AssetDetail/NRIS/100012951. Do you know a working link? PrimeHunter (talk) 15:49, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks! Stumbled into that. The State Historic Preservation Officer (SHPO) gave me "SG100012951" and that's what shows up at NRHP "pending nominations." Guessing that NPS hasn't posted the application even though they notified the SHPO that it was accepted. In any case, the naked integer "1000012951" as "refnum =" lets the form call the line "U.S. National Register of Historic Places." NPS is being quirky: What's the "SG" supposed to do? (Confuse me, I guess...) Resolved, at least for now. Thanks, GHJ G.H.Jarrell (talk) 02:57, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

The two-letter prefix on the refnum indicates what kind of action the NRHP is taking. "SG" is the nomination of a single property, "MP" is the nomination of one of multiple related properties, "BC" is boundary change, etc. The trailing numerals are unique. Andrew Jameson (talk) 12:09, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

@G.H.Jarrell: Weekly List 2026 05 01 confirms it was listed and gives the same SG number:

NEW MEXICO, BERNALILLO COUNTY,
Hopping, Carl and Lulu, House,
737 Edith Boulevard SE,
Albuquerque, SG100012951,
LISTED, 5/1/2026

I guess content will eventually show up at https://npgallery.nps.gov/AssetDetail/NRIS/100012951 but I don't promise it. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:28, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

The 99ers

Hi I wrote the first draft of the script The 99ers with Jamee Decio. You can confirm by googling it on deadline or call Netflix or the WGA. We worked hard on this and there is a good chance we will get some writing credit. Please update. Thanks jill Mazursky Dingoandwinnie (talk) 08:18, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

This could only be included if there is a published Reliable source stating it, that can be cited for verification. Can you provide a link (or bibliographical data if not online) to such a published source?

Also, please specify/link the Wikipedia article this relates to: There is no Wikipedia article titled The 99ers (hence that link being red) and mentions of the term elsewhere do not seem relevant to a scripted work. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2026-27434-43 (talk) 12:45, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

I have just lost many hours of work! How to retrieve?

Hi. In clicking around to understand how to insert a photograph when it didn't work the first time, which led me to leave a page and agree to changes not being saved (I never imagined it meant that many hours of work!), I now can't find what I had done over the last few days. It's strange that Wikipedia says that all changes are saved, but one can nonetheless screw up the way I have.

I have looked in the revision history, and the most recent it lists is 20 May, but I have worked on this new as yet unreviewed page over the last two days.

All help most appreciated! If I have to do it again, of course I will, but if I don't have to, you will have my eternal thanks!

Alison Jean Lester Alison Jean Lester (talk) 10:53, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

If you did not press "Publish changes" (which is the button which saves and makes public any changes you made to a page) then your work is lost. Athanelar (talk) 11:02, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

Thank you. Learning, as so often, the hard way! Alison Jean Lester (talk) 13:27, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

@Alison Jean Lester: If the browser tab is still open then your browser might remember something if you click back until you reach the edit page. You can also try Special:EditRecovery but it's probably disabled. It cannot recover edits from before it was enabled. For another time, many browsers allow you to open a link in a new tab by pressing Ctrl while you click. Then you can return to the old tab later. I also sometimers copy a large edit to a text editor but that may not work in VisualEditor. It works in the source editor. You can switch to it on a pencil icon at the top right of VisualEditor. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:18, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

Many thanks for the tips. Alison Jean Lester (talk) 13:28, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

@Alison Jean Lester The only other edit you made with your account was Draft:Charles Gorham. If it is something else you worked on, then I'm afraid it is lost. Maresa63 ^Talk 12:36, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

Yes, you're right. That's the one, and the work is gone. I will take a break and start again! Thanks. Alison Jean Lester (talk) 13:28, 9 June 2026 (UTC)