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Disabling Media Viewer for registered users

Has the option to disable Media Viewer for registered users been removed? Whenever I click on an image it displays in Media Viewer and there seems no way to turn it off. There used to be an option under Preferences|Appearance to disable it, but that seems to have disappeared. WP:Media Viewer and its associated talk page are no help. There's some information at the foot of that page about adding some code to global.js but I tried that and it didn't work. --Viennese Waltz 10:00, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Nothing has changed for accounts that have already disabled it. I can't speak to the possibility of disabling it, but when I click on an image, I go straight to the image description page, just as I have ever since disabling it originally. Nyttend (talk) 20:16, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Lucky you. I also disabled it years ago, but now when I click on any image it opens in Media Viewer. Please could you check your Preferences > Appearance page? Do you have a box to enable or disable it, like this one? --Viennese Waltz 07:49, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

User:Viennese Waltz, here's everything I get on that page. Edit the page to see the lines properly; it would take a long time to format it so it looks right when fully rendered.

Extended content

MonoBook (Talk | Preview | Custom CSS | Custom JavaScript) Vector (2022) (default | Discussion | Preview | Custom CSS | Custom JavaScript) Vector legacy (2010) (Preview | Custom CSS | Custom JavaScript) MinervaNeue (Discussion | Preview | Custom CSS | Custom JavaScript) Timeless (Talk | Preview | Custom CSS | Custom JavaScript) Shared CSS/JavaScript for all skins: Custom CSS | Custom JavaScript Shared CSS/JavaScript for all wikis (more information): Custom CSS | Custom JavaScript Skin preferences Enable responsive mode Adapt layout to screen size on mobile. Reading preferences Enable page previews (get quick previews of a topic while reading a page) You have to disable the Navigation popups gadget in your Gadgets preferences to enable page previews. Enable reference previews (get quick previews of a reference while reading a page) You have the Navigation popups and Reference Tooltips gadgets enabled, so you won't see previews provided by this feature. Depending on your wiki, the gadgets may have slightly different names. If you continue to experience issues, please review your gadgets and user scripts, including global ones. Date format No preference 12:01, June 9, 2026 12:01, 9 June 2026 12:01, 2026 June 9 2026-06-09T12:01:04 Time offset Server time: 12:01 Local time: 12:01 Time zone: Files Image size limit on file description pages: Thumbnail size: Some users may prefer thumbnails which are smaller or larger than normal. Regular size is 250 pixels. Diffs Don't show page content below diffs Don't show diff after performing a rollback Don't show the revision slider Advanced options Underline links: Show hidden categories Show a confirmation prompt when clicking on a rollback link Always enable safe mode Disable on-wiki scripts and stylesheets. Enable the user info card Show a button next to usernames to open a popover with information about an account. Math LaTeX source (for text browsers) MathML (experimental; no images) Client side MathJax rendering (for browsers with limited MathML support) SVG (MathML can be enabled via browser plugin) Explain mathematical formulae on hover. Languages Use a compact language list, with languages relevant to you

I can't see anything relevant. Nyttend (talk) 12:02, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

Exactly. So, as I suspected, the option to disable Media Viewer has been removed for registered users. --Viennese Waltz 02:10, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

A workaround: add the following line to your Special:MyPage/common.js page:

::mw.config.set('wgMediaViewerOnClick', false);
::

This disables Media Viewer on click without needing the preference toggle. Alternatively, check Special:Preferences → Appearance — on some wikis the checkbox may still appear there. If you'd like the option restored for all users, filing a report at Phabricator under the MediaWiki Media Viewer project would be the right channel. Musiceditor2038 (talk) 14:55, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

What links here

Hi, please consider the page Berkeley Timesharing System. The question "what links here" produces a list . Is the average frequency of the links kept anywhere? How is that list sorted? Thanks in advance. Yesterday, all my dreams... (talk) 18:15, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @Yesterday, all my dreams....

What do you mean by "the average frequency of the links"? They're just links: they don't change (unless somebody edits an article), and they don't have a frequency. ColinFine (talk) 19:36, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

Hi. If you look at it states that the page was viewed 157 times in the last month. I was wondering how many of those 157 came from Multics vs Memory paging last month. Does that clarify my question? Thanks Yesterday, all my dreams... (talk) 23:35, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

Please see the wikinav tool below. Cheers. Yesterday, all my dreams... (talk) 13:42, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

@Yesterday, all my dreams...: The top right of WhatLinksHere has a "Help" where Help:What links here#Overview says: "The list is sorted by page ID, i.e., by date of creation of the page." The search linksto:"Berkeley Timesharing System" can give four sort orders under "Advanced search". User:PrimeHunter/Search sort.js can give ten sort orders. See also mw:Help:CirrusSearch#Explicit sort orders. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:19, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

OK, but do any of those give what I mentioned to Colin above? Are those numbers even saved anywhere? Thanks Yesterday, all my dreams... (talk) 23:37, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

If I remember rightly, WhatLinksHere lists pages by the sequence in which they were created: the oldest page appears at the top. For some reason, the counter gets reset when a page is deleted and restored, so if I deleted Multics and restored it (even immediately), it would go from position #1 to position #75. Nyttend (talk) 10:08, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

You are right about how that works, I think. But as is Multics does not have a number 27 next to it that says in the last month 27 clicks within Multics led to the page Berkeley Timesharing. I wonder if that number 27 is stored anywhere and gets updated every month. Thanks. Yesterday, all my dreams... (talk) 13:07, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Such a thing is theoretically possible for a webpage — my library's Primo discovery layer can report how many people clicked on a specific link on a specific page — but the Wikimedia developers don't generally publish this kind of data. If you talked with one of them, you could ask I suppose, but (1) given the size of Wikipedia, I can't imagine them systematically publishing this kind of data, and it's hard to imagine them publishing even a subset of it routinely; (2) be aware that there's a significance chance that a request for a single bit of data might be turned down; and (3) I have no idea who the developers are, so you'd have to go find some of them yourself. Nyttend (talk) 12:10, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks, and please see the tool mentioned below. Yesterday, all my dreams... (talk) 12:50, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

WikiNav may provide the answers you seek. If not then you can download the raw Clickstream data to perform custom analysis. Certes (talk) 12:28, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

In one word: Fantastic. The results it gives are eye opening. I tried Leonard Kleinrock and most links to him come from Claude Shannon, not the Arpanet. The existence of this system should be publicized, it is eye opening indeed. Thanks. Yesterday, all my dreams... (talk) 12:49, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

Wow. I'm profoundly surprised that they publish this kind of information. Special:Statistics shows that we had 65,749,430 pages a few moments ago; I wonder if it's possible to generate a report for all of them? Now that I see the format, I'm less surprised, however; I envisioned a single file providing data for each pair of pages — I expected something such as "In TIMEPERIOD, Alnus acuminata was accessed 0 times via List of deputies general of Álava". Nyttend (talk) 22:02, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

The report for all pages is here. It excludes pairs with fewer than ten clicks for privacy reasons (and to keep the file size reasonable). It only covers mainspace (potentially 7,193,000 articles and 377,000 dabs, though rarely visited pages will not appear). An old version that I have stored contains 20 million internal pairs. Views via redirects are counted with their target rather than separately. Certes (talk) 08:54, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

By the way, who wrote that tool? You? It is very useful. Yesterday, all my dreams... (talk) 17:05, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

WikiNav is not my work. There is a list of developers at the bottom of its page. Certes (talk) 12:05, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks, I had already noticed that. And on Village pump ideas, someone said it is being ignored by the developers. Sigh... I have already learned a lot by using it. Yesterday, all my dreams... (talk) 13:29, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

@Yesterday, all my dreams...: There's a gadget that can be enabled in the user preferences called MoreMenu which adds a set of common analysis tools to the page menu. It does not include WikiNav by default, but perhaps its maintainer (I think that's MusikAnimal) could be persuaded to add it?

Even if not, it is possible to add it manually just for yourself, if you're interested. – Scyrme (talk/solidarity) 22:22, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks but I have bookmarked that page and remember the url as well. Yesterday, all my dreams... (talk) 17:03, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

Rikki Peebles

Rikki Peebles sang the song for the uk 1987 entry he has written many tracks for other groups released his own music and doesn't have a wikipedia page can anyone set one up ? Tonyhitmantaylor1969 (talk) 22:13, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @Tonyhitmantaylor1969, and welcome to the Teahouse.

Thank you for your suggestion, but there is not really an effective place to make this sort of suggestion. (There is a place, called requested articles, but the truth is that most suggestions there never get picked up).

Some of your wording, "have a Wikipedia page", and "set one up", makes me think that, like many people, you think of Wikipedia as a bit like social media, where people "set up a page for" themselves or their friends. But it really isn't like that. The basic activity is not "set up a page for", but "write a well-sourced neutral encyclopaedia article about" - which is a task that takes a good bit of work.

The article should be based not on what the person says or wants to say, or what their friends or associates say, but almost exclusively on what people who have no connection with the person have chosen to publish about them in reliable publications. So the task of creating such an article starts with finding sources about the subject, sourcs that meet all the conditions in WP:42. Unfortunately, for most people - even artists and creative people - there is simply not enough independent material published about them, and so no article is possible (the Wikipedia jargon for this is whether they are or are not notable).

So for somebody to write an article about Peebles, they would need to start by finding several places where people unconnected with him have published in some depth about him. ColinFine (talk) 22:25, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

There was an article on English Wikipedia at Rikki (British singer)Rikki (British singer), however it was changed to a redirect as not notable. Other Wikipedias have different rules so there is a German article at de:Rikki (Sänger), for example. TSventon (talk) 14:00, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Just to add to what ColinFine and TSventon have said — the Eurovision connection is actually one of the stronger notability angles here, since the UK entry receives substantial press coverage. If you're keen to see an article created, the most productive thing would be to search for independent sources first. Some good places to look:

British Newspaper Archive (newspapers.com / britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk) — contemporary 1987 reviews and press coverage of the Eurovision entry would count as strong sources.

BBC archives / iPlayer — BBC coverage of the Eurovision selection process.

Music press — Smash Hits, Record Mirror, NME from that era may have features.

OGAE / Eurovision reference sites — these catalogue entries but are usually not considered reliable independent sources on their own.

If you can find three or four substantial pieces where journalists who have no connection to Rikki wrote about him in depth, that would be enough to make a case for notability and someone — possibly even yourself — could draft an article. Wikipedia has a Your first article guide if you'd like to try. The existing redirect at Rikki (British singer) could potentially be restored to an article if sourcing is found. ColinFine's point about WP:42 is the key test to keep in mind throughout. Musiceditor2038 (talk) 15:10, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

Rikki Peebles – sources and notability for a potential Wikipedia article

Discussing whether Rikki Peebles, the singer who performed the UK's 1987 Eurovision Song Contest entry "Only the Light", meets Wikipedia's notability requirements, and how to find the independent reliable sources needed to create or restore an article about him. Musiceditor2038 (talk) 15:14, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

@Musiceditor2038: I have added this question to the previous discussion, where you seem to have answered it. TSventon (talk) 15:45, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

Im try to become best version of me .. how can u solve this problem and make me batter

help ~2026-34302-52 (talk) 05:29, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

Hi, this is the help desk for Wikipedia. It's where you can ask questions about editing Wikipedia, not general questions about life. Good luck, though.

(As for becoming batter, the article Batter (cooking) might be useful to you. /j)

^{In solidarity,} 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 (They/them • Ping me!) 05:41, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

Are we sure they're not referring to the character from OFF? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Object Class: Drygioni} 06:07, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

or perhaps they keep committing Battery (crime) Ilikememes128 (talk) 19:10, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

Huh! Taking the piss out of a newb for their speeling mistakes - you should all be ashamed. This is why WP genuinely stinks. @~2026-34302-52: - Dude, only you can make yourself better. Concentrate on the very best parts of your inner self, and improve them. If you can do things, learn to do them better. Be prepared to amaze people with your skills. Very best of luck, MinorProphet (talk) 19:54, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

A beginner's question: how do I add stylized text like "This article is about ___. For the ___ see ___ (____)" to the beginning of a page?

The text doesn't show in the editor. ~2026-34251-92 (talk) 16:05, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

Those are called "hatnotes". They're added by templates placed at the top of the page. See WP:HATNOTE for more information. – Scyrme (talk/solidarity) 16:09, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

The specific template to use for that specific message is {{About}}. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 09:45, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Removal of spaces from infobox

I have noticed a large number of edits removing spaces from infoboxes, which makes them more difficult to edit using Wikitext editor. I have just asked an editor why they were removing these spaces and was told that they were not removing them, despite the diff showing that they were being removed. I asked if they were using the visual editor, and was told that they were. Could someone confirm whether this is a deliberate function of the visual editor, and, if so, why it was so programmed, as it makes no difference to edits using the visual editor, but makes editing Wikitext more difficult. - Arjayay (talk) 10:18, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

Yes, this is the way Visual Editor behaves when it edits the content of a template. It appears to read all the fields in and then write them all out again without keeping track of spaces at the end of a field. I suspect it was the simplest way to implement the function of editing the content of templates. References, so important on the English Wikipedia, seemed to be an afterthought in the design of VE. StarryGrandma (talk) 17:49, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

Mistake

You have a “Steven Hayes Dacus” called the first foreign CEO of “Speedway” and you have him born in America? Not ~2026-34604-42 (talk) 13:50, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

@~2026-34604-42: I guess you mean Stephen Dacus. If you saw a page claiming he is the first foreign CEO of "Speedway" then please link it. There are pages saying he is the first foreign CEO of Seven & I Holdings but that's a Japanese company which owns Speedway (store). PrimeHunter (talk) 14:33, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

There appears to be no mention of a Steven Hayes Dacus in any Wikipedia article, and we have a sizeable number of different articles about entities which use the name 'Speedway'. Which article are you talking about? {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2026-27434-43 (talk) 14:34, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

Overall Quality of Huamea Controversy Page

I was looking at this page: Controversy over the discovery of Haumea

To me it reads like a story, has bad tone, and includes a lot of irrelevant information. The majority of the references do not support the content, or are broken. I have marked the page as such, but since it is marked as a "good article" I just want to double check that I'm doing the right thing (I haven't added tags to an article before). I wrote in the talk page that I'll wait 14 days before restructuring.

It would be great to have someone quickly check the article to see if my concerns are correct. BennBluee (talk) 15:46, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

It seems to have become a GA in 2009, when Wikipedia's standards were very different.

If I were you, the first step would be to reassess the article against the good article criteria and strip its GA status if need be (there's no need to have any special status or permissions to do this) Athanelar (talk) 17:24, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

"It seems to have become a GA in 2009, when Wikipedia's standards were very different." Unless you mean "the same words today mean something different than they did 16 years ago" or "the underlying policies and guidelines linked to the GA criteria (e.g. RS, MOS, etc.) have changed" (...I'd buy that, to an extent, so I assume this is the kind of thing you mean), the GA criteria themselves are actually virtually identical to what they were in 2009--the only change appears to be a clarification that there shouldn't be any copyvios in the article (which feels like a given even back then). Other than that, even their wording hasn't changed. - Purplewowies (talk) 07:35, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

@BennBluee Actualy, it failed 3 times and then passed at Talk:Controversy_over_the_discovery_of_Haumea/GA4 in 2010. You could check whether the passed version is substantially different from the current one. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:28, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

Will do, thanks! BennBluee (talk) 17:29, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

Please read and digest Wikipedia:Good article reassessment, BennBluee, and proceed accordingly. -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 08:53, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

Hey how are you ? What’s the best email to send for a complaint

False information ~2026-34687-31 (talk) 17:12, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

Unless it's somehow sensitive false information, probably the best place to start is the Talk page for the article in question. DonIago (talk) 17:18, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

or just fit it yourself -- D'n'B-📞 -- 05:52, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

Just say "Hey, I am unhappy with X,Y, and Z and I want this fixed." MathMan4 (talk) 05:58, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

No. Do not just say this. Specify what is false. Give a good reason for saying that it's false. If the corrected version isn't obvious, then specify it and present a reliable source for it. -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 08:50, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

"Please change X to Y because Z, as supported by source S." DonIago (talk) 00:18, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Deleting the two wikipedia pages

Good afternoon, I have written two wikipedia articles on wikipedia. I would like them to be deleted. I would like Maria Esta En Peligro the article that I have written will be deleted, Sandyndimyvette (talk) 23:38, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

You have not written any mainspace articles on Wikipedia. You have written in your own sandbox, which you are perfectly allowed to delete on your own. GarethBaloney (talk) 23:45, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

I've deleted as requested Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:54, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

How do I submit fair use into the photo wizaed

🫃 .noosenecklace (talk) 18:05, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

Density (disambiguation) isn't really a disambig

I feel that the Density (disambiguation) article isn't really a disambig page, but something hybrid - almost all the entries refer inherently to a measure of how much of some entity is within a fixed amount of space, and as such could be an article or stub referring to that topic. Seems that the only real disambig comments are at the bottom of the article, and that a true disambig article on "density" would realistically consist of five entries:

• Density
• a new article "List of density meanings" - or something
• Stupidity, a stupid person is sometimes referred to as being "dense"
• Dense (film), a 2004 film
• Density 21.5 – a piece of music for solo flute written by Edgard Varèse

I could have brought this up on the disambig talk page itself, but pageviews don't warrant it.

Does this seem reasonable, or to a deeper understanding of disambig - is this exactly the point of a disambig article? Chaheel Riens (talk) 18:22, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

@Chaheel Riens: That page is a real mess. I'm going to try cleaning it up. Also, some of your "dense" entries don't belong. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:12, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Typo on the Main Page

The Main Page currently has a typo on the section “From today's featured article”. It says “William IV's British coinage, struck between 1831 and 1837” rather than “William IV's British coinage, struck between  1831 and 1837” which is the correct spelling. I would like this to be changed, for I am willing to ask whatever I can to help reach the Typo Team’s goal; a typo free Wikipedia. Γ+2 (talk) 18:43, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

Maybe I'm just blind, but where's the typo? ^{In solidarity,} 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 (They/them • Ping me!) 19:26, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

I honestly have no clue why that happens, I might be going insane but I suggest you add a space. Here is where the error is: Wikipedia:Today's featured article/June 13, 2026 and if you don’t see it I don’t know what to tell you. Maybe it’s just some kind of mobile rendering issue. Γ+2 (talk) 19:29, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

This is at WP:ERRORS. which is the correct venue. I can't see a problem, but I am not using a mobile. TSventon (talk) 19:35, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

It got deleted from WP:ERRORS, WHAT??? Γ+2 (talk) 19:38, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

No wait, it got REVIVED!!! Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors#Today's FA Γ+2 (talk) 19:48, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

WAIT IT’S FIXED NOW Γ+2 (talk) 19:57, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

This isn't so much a typo as a problem in whatever you're viewing it with - there's a thin space character between "between" and "1831". (Also in both versions of what you pasted above, with a normal space after the thin space in the second version.) The choice of a thin space instead of a normal one is apparently deliberate. I take it that it's not rendering as any space at all for you? —Cryptic 19:46, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

Yes. Regardless, there is absolutely no reason for a thin space to be used instead of a normal one. Anyways, it has already been fixed by an admin. Γ+2 (talk) 19:59, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

How to find character count on an article

Iim not sure how to search an article for word count. Ive already tried going to page information about this article Stanley Green. (I was reviewing the WP:DYK page and it said the critieria must be at least 1500 characters). Im not sure what but I believe Im using the source editor tool. Ilikememes128 (talk) 19:07, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

Ilikememes128 the detailed DYK guidance is at WP:DYKCRIT, with a section on prose size at WP:DYKPROSE. That section says Wikipedia:Did you know/DYKcheck, the DYK check tool, is generally considered the authoritative counter of prose size. TSventon (talk) 19:15, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

The tool also checks newness: Stanley Green has not been created or expanded 5x or promoted to Good Article within the past 10 days, so it is not currently eligible for DYK. TSventon (talk) 19:21, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

Ruolin

Does anyone know if the lead for Ruolin is written correctly? --Jax 0677 (talk) 20:23, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

Jax 0677, Ruolin seems to be a Chinese female given name, so I would find a similar name, like Ailing (Chinese name) and adapt it. TSventon (talk) 20:32, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

I have adapted the article, other editors are welcome to improve further. TSventon (talk) 21:02, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

I've added some material to the article. I'm going to create a talk page for the article to discuss more there. Calisyrre (talk) 21:58, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

sandbox work being edited by others

I created a file in what I thought was my sandbox (User:Mihal.emberton/sandbox/Belief-Behavior Systems archetype) but when I saved my edits, I received messages that I was "vandalizing" wikipedia... please help me understand how to get my work into the sandbox if it is not really in the sandbox as the system says.... ~2026-33436-16 (talk) 20:37, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

Courtesy ping: Malgosha

Courtesy ping: Hamimh2

^{In solidarity,} 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 (They/them • Ping me!) 20:41, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

It's because you are currently logged out of your account, so to an outside observer it might look like somebody random is editing the page. Logging in again or mentioning on your user page that this temporary account (~2026-33436-16) is also you. GarethBaloney (talk) 20:42, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

They think it's vandalism because you're logged out currently. Malgosha (talk) 20:44, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I did not realize this and have logged in :-). With humble gratitude... Mihal.emberton (talk) 21:31, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

If you are user:Mihal.emberton, you have been editing the sandbox while signed out. Possibly this is why you were reverted, though I wouldn't call it vandalism. I'd have to suggest however that if you are trying to create an article on the subject discussed there, you are almost certainly wasting your time. Wikipedia articles are based on what independent reliable sources have to directly say about a subject, and without such sources, covering the subject in depth, an article will not meet the required notability criteria. Wikipedia is not a platform for promoting ideas you yourself have come up with, and doing so constitutes a conflict of interest. AndyTheGrump (talk) 20:52, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

Thank you @AndyTheGrump for your very kind and ethical guidance. Mihal.emberton (talk) 22:58, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

@Mihal.emberton A minor point, but Wikipedia articles do not contain copyright (or trademark) symbols. David10244 (talk) 02:55, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

I found some URLs that can probably be fixed by bot edits and I don't know how to go about that

I have been looking up local plants recently, and noticed a fair number that have external links to a USDA plant database in an old format that is no longer valid. The actual link gives an error, but the URL has an identifier that makes it possible for a regex to replace broken links with valid links. Here are some examples:

Wiki page: Arctostaphylos_nevadensis Old URL: https://plants.sc.egov.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=ARNE Valid URL: https://plants.sc.egov.usda.gov/plant-profile/ARNE

Wiki page: Agave_utahensis Old URL: https://plants.sc.egov.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=AGUT Valid URL: https://plants.sc.egov.usda.gov/plant-profile/AGUT

Wiki page: Acmispon_glaber Old URL: https://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=LOSC2 Valid URL: https://plants.sc.egov.usda.gov/plant-profile/LOSC2

I am asking for help for two reasons: 1) I have never done this before, so it's a lot of overhead getting off the ground. But there surely must be someone else familiar with scripts to edit wikipedia that can adapt them to do this pretty quickly. 2) I worry that masses of edits coming in will flag some antispam measures and block them. So far, I don't have a lot of good ideas about how to identify pages that have this specific type of fixable URL. There are certainly categories that seem more likely than others (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Endemic_flora_of_the_United_States comes to mind) but Agave Utahensis wasn't in that category, so it's not a sure thing.

Example python for the basic regex replacement:

Extended content

   import re
   def main():
       test_urls = ["https://plants.sc.egov.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=ARNE",
                    "https://plants.sc.egov.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=AGUT",
                    "https://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=LOSC2",
                    "https://plants.sc.egov.usda.gov/plant-profile/ARNE"] # should not match this one
   
       # (?:\.sc\.egov)? is a non-capturing group to match the .sc.egov that doesnt't always appear
       pattern = re.compile(r'https://plants(?:\.sc\.egov)?\.usda\.gov/java/profile\?symbol=([A-Z1-9]+)')
       for url in test_urls:
           match = pattern.match(url)
           if match:
               print(match.group(0), "\t", "https://plants.sc.egov.usda.gov/plant-profile/" + match.group(1))
   
   main()

~2026-34986-55 (talk) 21:31, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

Post your suggestion at WP:BOTREQ to see if this is a good task for a bot and if so someone may have a bot do this RudolfRed (talk) 21:48, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

Or WP:URLREQ * Pppery * _{(alt) in solidarity} 01:17, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

If the edits are unsuitable for a URL request or a bot, perhaps because they require manual checking, and there are hundreds rather than thousands of them, then WP:AWB/T is an alternative place to ask. Certes (talk) 12:02, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Masters France

Reference help requested. Hi Helpers. Could you please explain to me how I fix this error. I'm a relative newcomer, and still a bit puzzled by some of the computer code. Thanks. Thanks, Dropbear2 (talk) 03:06, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Two references had errors, Dropbear2. The two references were very similar to each other, and had the same problems. I fixed one of the two references. Take a look at what I did, and apply it to the other reference: what is now "SUIVEZ LES FRANÇAIS À TOULOUSE" (and, as (i) readers don't like to be shouted at, and (ii) Wikipedia is under no obligation to mimic bad website practice, should instead be "Suivez les français à Toulouse"). If you encounter a problem, post a follow-up message here. -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 09:13, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for the help Hoary. I've fixed the second reference, following your example, and it has worked. One more Wiki skill gained. And go the WWU!! All the best. Dropbear2 (talk) 00:03, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

Referencing errors on David Michael San Juan

Reference help requested.

Thanks, Please help me fix this Anakbanwa (talk) 04:12, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Fixed. Same error as below. ^{In solidarity,} 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 (They/them • Ping me!) 05:44, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Leody de Guzman

Reference help requested.

Thanks, please help me fix it Anakbanwa (talk) 04:13, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Fixed. It looks like you put the name of the news site in the "First" and "Last" name parts; that's actually for the reporter (e.g. first=John |last=Laurens). If you don't know the author, like in this case, you can just leave them blank. ^{In solidarity,} 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 (They/them • Ping me!) 05:38, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Rebirth of Mothra

Reference help requested. The ISBN for a magazine Special Graphix Magazine, by a Japanese publisher, gives the ISBN:T1065429731804. I've checked a few times to make sure this is what the published material says. How do you fix the error issue when the ISBN detection is not verifying? Thanks, SeminarianJohn (talk) 07:48, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

That isn't an ISBN, SeminarianJohn. It doesn't even resemble one. (The publisher may specify it as something other than an ISBN.) A Japanese ISBN is normally a 13-digit code starting "9784". (I haven't noticed any that start "9794", but am not certain that none exist.) An older one would be a 10-digit code starting "4".) Only a minority of individual issues of Japanese magazines have ISBNs. You might look up this issue of this magazine (as a "book") in CiNii: CiNii will provide the ISBN for it if there is one. -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 08:51, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Thank you @Hoary for the feedback and help. If no ISBN is available, is there another "box" that is used for magazine? Could this be a type of "serial" number? I'm going to try and look up the ISBN using the resource you provided. SeminarianJohn (talk) 20:01, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @SeminarianJohn.

Modern magazines have an ISSN, and Template:infobox magazine recognises issn as a parameter-name. I'm not familiar with the format, so I don't know if the number you have might be an ISSN. ColinFine (talk) 20:30, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Thank you! I am going to try this to fix the issue. SeminarianJohn (talk) 21:28, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

I think using a serial number worked. SeminarianJohn (talk) 21:43, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

I found the ISBN for the magazine series with CiNii. Thank you! SeminarianJohn (talk) 21:49, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

User:Hoary and User:SeminarianJohn, as a librarian, most of the ISBN-13s I see are 978xxxxxxxxxx, but occasionally I've seen 979xxxxxxxxxx. ISSNs are XXXX-XXXX; I don't work with them enough to know if there's a numerical sequence, comparable to 978, that often appears anywhere in ISSNs. I'm on a break at work (computer's installing updates ☹️) and have been dealing with serials this morning, and I've not noticed any numerical patterns with them. However, ISBN-10s don't typically begin with a 4. As you note, most digits in a 13 are the same as in the analogous 10, with three digits tacked on at the start, so the fourth digit of a 13 will be identical to the first digit of a 10. I just pulled up a sheet of 70,000+ ebooks on my personal laptop, and a brief Excel function showed me that they had 50,000+ associated print ISBNs, but not one of them began with 9784. Nyttend (talk) 00:00, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

Nyttend, my copy of [pauses while he picks a book off the shelf] the Japan-published dead-tree codex 夢の翳 塩谷定好の写真1899–1988 is ISBN 978-4-7630-1920-2. (This is confirmed at NCID BB2911521X.) Optionally with a hyphen, "9784" is the standard start for a Japan-published book. (Simply, "4" means Japan. I know nothing about Japan-published ebooks.) It occurs to me that "T1065429731804" might be some general product code (a code not specific to printed matter or electronic versions thereof). -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 00:54, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

Interesting; I've not worked with Japanese publications. The fourth digit is related to the country or language of publication (ISBN#Overview), so I guess Japan or Japanese-language books indeed get assigned there. But I misread your initial post as saying that all ISBNs began with 4, or 9784; sorry about that. Nyttend (talk) 01:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

Thank you, everyone. I found multiple answers to my questions with your input. The T1 number is a type of serial number (or product number) and there is an ISBN for the series magazine. SeminarianJohn (talk) 00:54, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

Article created by new account

Does anyone know how the article Ahaan Panday was created? The creator seems to have opened their account on 30 October and created the page with their first edit. Mme Maigret (talk) 09:04, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @Mmemaigret. They created it in draft space, and it was moved to mainspace by Piejuno in this edit ColinFine (talk) 09:08, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks ColinFine. Mme Maigret (talk) 09:49, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

I have created a page for an wikipedia article in my sandbox with username "Soumyabnrj02" ...

Topic name-- "Players with 10,000 or more runs scored for women's all formats of cricket"

Will that article be approved from my sandbox ,then will be moved to wikipedia main page for everyones' view

please help me with any appropriate answers soon Soumyabnrj02 (talk) 08:02, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Resolved

Re-classifying articles after considerable changes

What's best practice for changing article classes on the talk page after big changes? I've done a bunch of destubbing of articles over the years (expanding, adding in-line cites, adding citations needed, etc.), and I'm not quite sure what the preferred approach is. Do I just remove the class on the talk page after a big change for an impartial editor to re-class it, or am I expected to make my own interpretation? --Engineerchange (talk) 15:35, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Per WP:ASSESS, you're allowed to assign any rating to any article (including ones you have written all or much of), up until B-class. If someone disagrees with you, they may re-rate it. For classes above B, you need to go through a formal review process (WP:GAN or WP:FAC) before the article can be rated as such.
The stub-B class criteria are pretty subjective anyway, and only really useful as a general indicator rather than a certification of quality. Just use common sense {{GearsDatapacks|talk|contribs|in solidarity}} 15:39, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

I would (and do) use the WP:RATER tool for rating articles from stub to B class. TSventon (talk) 15:49, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Added the WP:RATER tool. Thank you both, --Engineerchange (talk) 16:39, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Editorial removed

Why is my editing on the page named "List of players who have scored 2,000 or more runs in Women's Twenty20 International cricket" being removed? Soumyabnrj02 (talk) 18:15, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Could you give a diff of a specific edit of yours that has been reverted? Asking because it's hard to suss out anything from just looking at the article history because no human editor has provided an edit summary at that article for the past three years so it's very difficult to figure out what any specific edit may have added or removed without looking at each and every diff one by one. - Purplewowies (talk) 18:41, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

I had sorted the table with runs in descending order ~2026-35629-39 (talk) 07:48, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Need to change email, but the address I registered with is dead

Hi! I've been inactive for a long time but would like to edit occasionally. My old email (NawlinWiki@cox.net) is from a provider that no longer provides email, so that address is dead. I can't change it because when I try to, the system prompts me for a 2FA link sent by email to the dead address. Is there a fix for this? Thanks, NawlinWiki (talk) NawlinWiki (talk) 20:04, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Sounds like a question for WP:VPT. I'll move this over there. Nyttend (talk) 23:44, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Colors in Template do not show up in Dark Mode

I applied a setting that allowed me to switch between light and dark mode while logged in, which I was not able to do before changing this setting. Now, the green and yellow colors that were in {{Oregon Health & Science University}} in Dark Mode no longer show up. Do you know how to switch this back? --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:43, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

Dark mode automatically adjusts colours so that you don't get flash-banged by some unusually brightly coloured element on the page. In some cases this means that colours used by some templates are suppressed, probably because there's no suitable 'dark' equivalent. I'm not sure what determines which colours are kept, which are adjusted, and which are suppressed. It's possible to use CSS classes to suppress dark mode inversion in a template, but this is usually a bad idea (particularly as other users may not want dark mode suppressed for templates). There's no easy setting to suppress the inversion just for yourself. Maybe someone skilled with CSS could come up with a line your could add to Special:MyPage/common.css which accomplish what you, but I don't know for certain that something like that is possible. – Scyrme (talk/solidarity) 00:15, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback. I had it where the green and yellow did show up, and was hoping to get that back. --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:18, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

As an aside, the navbox you linked is in Category:Potentially illegible navboxes so its colours need to be changed anyway for accessibility issues, regardless of dark mode. – Scyrme (talk/solidarity) 00:17, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

Oh no! --Jax 0677 (talk) 00:19, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

Specifically, the yellow on green has a contrast ratio of 1.9 and the standard blue link on green has a contrast ratio of 3.47, both of which fail WCAG AA. V, T, E, and hide are 1.04 which is practically invisible (a ratio of 1 means the foreground and background are the same color, so 1.04 is nearly that). - Purplewowies (talk) 08:36, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

I actually just went and stripped the styling entirely for now--all of the WCAG fails were bad but the 1.04 felt like it needed to be dealt with now even if a sufficiently contrasting color scheme might be possible. - Purplewowies (talk) 08:40, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

@Purplewowies:, do you know by what date colors might be reinstated in that navbox? --Jax 0677 (talk) 11:27, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

@Jax 0677: Whenever someone puts some back in? I took them out for accessibility concerns and do not personally have any intention of adding them back, but it's not like I'm against color in that navbox (I have no opinion on that navbox's color other than "it should probably be accessible). I just don't know enough about the university or the navbox to know what good (and accessible) color combos would be here. I just thought that it was important that the navbox be readable until such a point someone could figure out something more accessible, even if making it readable meant stripping the custom styling. - Purplewowies (talk) 18:40, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

@Purplewowies:, I have revised the color scheme for the navbox, please let me know what you think. --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:23, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

It looks like this time the contrast is a bit better in at least some of the cases (Firefox is not reporting too-low contrast on the accessibility tab of developer tools), though the sidebar cells (the green ones) are reporting contrast of 2.97 (fails WCAG AA). Funnily enough, if the text color on those were just... black, the contrast would be fine (7.07 which is WCAG AAA compliant), but I get the feeling black on green would get people who are thinking more about whether the color combo is aesthetically pleasing than whether or not it's higher contrast thinking it looks bad, even though it's more accessible. - Purplewowies (talk) 00:13, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

how to know particular article page edited by me

i have edited Beyond the Clouds (2017 film). if i again visit article page, is there anyway to know if i edited page in the past without visiting article revision history ? কল্কি (talk) 03:05, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

If it was on a different account, then no, unless you check the contributions of that account. If it was on this one, you can check here. But according to that, you've only edited the article once, back in March. ^{In solidarity,} 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 (They/them • Ping me!) 03:11, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

so i need to check user contributions. if there are more than 500, i am in trouble ! কল্কি (talk) 03:46, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

@কল্কি: there are newer/est & older/est links immediately above & below the list on every contributions page, which will take you to more pages of the same length. (If there are fewer contributions than the maximum chosen, or when you’re already at the first or last page, the relevant links will be deactivated.)—Odysseus1479 05:00, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

কল্কি, you can have more than 500. Go to the page history and select the 500 option, and you're at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Beyond_the_Clouds_(2017_film)&action=history&offset=&limit=500. Just tweak the URL and you can have more, e.g. adding a zero gives you 5000 revisions, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Beyond_the_Clouds_(2017_film)&action=history&offset=&limit=5000. That doesn't have any effect here, since it has just 313 revisions, but if you visit a page with many more revisions, this could simplify searching. But be aware that it can take much longer for the servers to render a list of 5000 revisions. You can change the "500" to any other number, e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Beyond_the_Clouds_(2017_film)&action=history&limit=174 offers you 174 revisions, has a link for "older 174", etc. Nyttend (talk) 11:04, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

@কল্কি: You can use the Sigma tool to find all edits to a page by one account. Certes (talk) 13:20, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

created a simple greasemonkey script and uploaded at https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/582917-universal-mediawiki-edit-checker -কল্কি (talk) 02:03, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

Numerical sorting in a table

See Talk:List of mountains of Alberta where a TA has pointed out that the mountains sort by height in two separate groups, those with commas after the thousands place in their height figures and those without. I gather this can be fixed by inserting data-sort-type="number" in the relevant column headers, but when I did so (trying various places in the line containing the column heading, because the syntax of the header definitions doesn’t look the same as the example I was trying to follow) it just made a mess. A possible complicating factor is that each row is generated by a template, not in plain wikitext. Can someone point me to a similar table that would make a good model to emulate?—Odysseus1479 04:49, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

Answered at Talk:List of mountains of Alberta#List of mountains formatting. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:47, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

Input my name?

Brian Tillie ~2026-34905-01 (talk) 10:18, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

Hi Brian, it's not clear what you are asking. Are you asking how to create a free Wikipedia account? If so, see Wikipedia:Create account qcne (talk) 10:23, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @~2026-34905-01.

I'm guessing that you mean that you want there to be an article about you in Wikipedia.

First, please notice that Wikipedia only hosts articles about subject which are notable in the special sense that Wikipedia uses that word: mostly it means that there is enough wholly independent material published about the subject in reliable sources to base an article on. Most people in the world do not meet those criteria, and no article about them is possible. (I don't, even though I am mentioned in a Wikipedia article).

If you do meet those criteria, then it is possible for there to be an article about you. Unfortunately, as this is a volunteer project, there is no reliable way to cause this to happen. You could put a request at requested articles - but in all honesty, requests there are rarely taken up.

You are permitted to try and write an article about yourself, but again being honest, your chances of success are small, even if you had experience in the challenging task of creating a Wikipedia article - and you are strongly discouraged from trying it: see autobiography.

Overall, my advice is to forget about appearing in Wikipedia. If you are notable (in Wikipedia's sense) then at some point somebody will write an article about you.

One more point: now you have expressed an interest in there being an article about you (assuming my guess is correct) you may be approached by somebody wanting to write an article for money. If this happens, it is almost certainly a scam: see WP:SCAM. ColinFine (talk) 15:14, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

Why do my edits keep disappearing

All of my edits keep disappearing ~2026-35241-63 (talk) 20:17, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

It looks like one of your edits was reverted because you removed the references without adequately explaining why. ^{In solidarity,} 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 ^{(They/them • Talk • Contribs)} 20:20, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

@~2026-35241-63: If your edits were saved then click the "View history" tab on the page to see what happened. Your current temporary account only has three edits at Special:Contributions/~2026-35241-63. The first was reverted here, probably because you removed all references, external links and categories. Wikipedia articles must have references. Your second edit wasn't reverted although it may be because it has no reference, and the third was the above question which wasn't reverted either. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:56, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

Looking at the article, I'm doubtful as to whether it actually meets our notability criteria, and the use of primary-source court documents in the manner found there is almost certainly contrary to policy - see WP:BLPPRIMARY. Looking at the article history, it appears that the NICA article was created from the start to highlight the court case, rather than as a general article on the organisation, and though standards back in 2006 were much more lax, such coatracking is contrary to policy now. It needs substantial rewriting if it is ever to meet current standards, providing better evidence of the organisation's notability, and the coverage of the court case, if included, needs proper Wikipedia-policy-compliant sourcing. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:15, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

Helping people who want a Wiki article in another language

Hello: I edit voluntarily, but also am a COI editor (the disclosure which you can find on my user page). I have recently been approached by someone who lives in the US but has media coverage in Dutch dating back to the 1990s. I suggested they inquire about a page on the Netherlands Wikipedia site. Similarly, I just spoke to someone in China in the same situation. Is there a way to connect these people with the Netherlands/Dutch, and Chinese wikipedia community, respectively? I appreciate any feedback and advice for them. Thank you, LeepKendall (talk) 21:40, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

@LeepKendall: In the left sidebar on this page (might be skin dependent?) you can find links to the Help Desk for other langauge Wikipedias. For example for the Netherlands https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Helpdesk and for China https://zh.wikipedia.org/ (main page) RudolfRed (talk) 22:34, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

(edit conflict) hi, for a start I would say that if a random person wanted an article about themself in English Wikipedia, there is a list they could add their name to, but it is hardly used. They could come here and ask for help and they would be given some basic information and advised that they could write an article themself, but that is difficult for a new editor and not necessarily a good idea. (You may well be able to give that advice yourself.)

People on this Helpdesk generally don't advise about other Wikipedias as they have different rules and we are generally not familiar with them. However many Wikipedias will have a Help desk linked to this one via Wikidata item Project:Help desk (Q4026300). Also they are likely to have a notability policy linked to notability policy for a Wikimedia content project (Q4657574). Your contact could post at the Dutch or Chinese Help desk, but I don't have experience of using them (that I can remember). They might get similar advice to what I wrote above.

It might be easier to write the article on English Wikipedia, subject to notability rules, as en Wikipedia accepts foreign language sources. TSventon (talk) 22:43, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

Thank you! I appreciate your time and assistance. LeepKendall (talk) 15:29, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Local Embassy. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:56, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

ERROR, NEEDS FIXING!!!

THERE IS AN ERROR IN Template:Chembox! Currently, EVERY auto-generated 3-dimensional JSmol model link fails (EXAMPLES: METHANE, WATER, ETC.). I have no clue if this is a Wikipedia error or a JSmol error, but it must be fixed! If it is on Wikipedia’s side, we must find a way to fix the link. If it’s JSmol’s fault, we should either scrap the link and wait for a fix (if there ends up being one) OR replace it with a different model generator (if JSmol takes too long). Γ+2 (talk) 02:02, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

@GammaPlus2: both methane and water links worked fine for me. There have been no changes to Chembox template this year. Maybe a temporary error in JSmol? MKFI (talk) 09:41, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

For me, methane gives “ERROR opening https://cactus.nci.nih.gov/chemical/structure/C/file?format=sdf&get3d=True -- C could not be loaded.” Γ+2 (talk) 11:31, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

It works for me too. If it now works for you too then any error has already been fixed; if not then the problem may be at your end. In general, topics are more likely to attract a response from a subject expert if the title indicates what they are about, e.g. "Chembox no longer displays JSmol model". Certes (talk) 10:19, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

Both links failed for me around 10:30 but work now. The Water link is https://chemapps.stolaf.edu/jmol/jmol.php?model=O and gave me a page only saying:

ERROR opening https://cactus.nci.nih.gov/chemical/structure/O/file?format=sdf&get3d=True -- O could not be loaded.

Now I see an image of a water molecule. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:51, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

The same error message keeps coming and going away for me. The site certainly seems unstable today but it's too soon to think about a replacement. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:32, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

So, will the template be edited or not? Γ+2 (talk) 11:34, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

Tne Water link works for me at the moment. David10244 (talk) 03:11, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

I know, it has probably been fixed now. Γ+2 (talk) 13:21, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Currently, it gives an error. At first I thought this might be some kind of Wikipedia error where the SMILES text was inputted wrongly, but I believe this must be some sort of JSmol error. Whatever it is, I believe everybody should have access to 3-dimensional molecular models, and not just those with the luck of not having the glitch happen. Γ+2 (talk) 11:39, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

I’ll just mention you guys so you see this message because I don’t want to have to copy-paste this whoever knows how many times. @PrimeHunter @Certes @MKFI Γ+2 (talk) 11:44, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

@GammaPlus2 This is a Jmol problem, not a Wikipedia one. Sometimes the link from our articles works and sometimes it doesn't. It can be reported on their Wiki at this link. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:51, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

It seems JSmol is STILL updating. Their Wikipedia article says the most recent stable release was no more than a few weeks ago. I mean, we could try reporting it, but in the meantime we should figure out if the template should be edited or not. If JSmol doesn’t read it quickly, we should probably remove the link altogether until it’s fixed. Γ+2 (talk) 11:57, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

"no" below userboxes

At Wikipedia:Userboxes/Politics by country#Albania there is a display of several userboxes. Below the images for User:Firefly/Userbox Archive/User Pro-Albania and User:Kevjassintkevin/Userboxes/AlbaniaEU the word "no" appears, which looks like someone making a comment to disapprove of those infoboxes. However, I didn't see the word "no" in the wiki markup for Wikipedia:Userboxes/Politics by country at that point, nor was it transcluded from the infoboxes themselves as the word "no" doesn't appear in their wiki markup either. Does anyone know what this is about? -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 06:46, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

@Metropolitan90: This is an unintended side-effect of Special:Diff/1314518306 by Redrose64 (talk · contribs). It looks as if some userboxes interpret the category parameter differently from others. I'm not sure of the best fix. -- John of Reading (talk) 07:16, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

I have added support for |category=no to those two user boxes. There may be others. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:40, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks! --Metropolitan90 (talk) 13:32, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

There may be others, but this problem should not occur for userboxes built using Template:Userbox; the use of table markup to make a userbox is obsolete. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 18:12, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Unable to contribute

Hello Team, We are unable to contribute the topic for our institute but i am putting the information all are real, but i know i am doing some mistakes, thats why continue its replaced. and removed the content. request you kindly help us to make complete this. Biswajit Kol (talk) 11:31, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

The article at Praxis Business School, Kolkata is severely sub-standard by modern Wikipedia policy as it does not show how the business school is notabe in the way that would now be required. What you have added to your Talk Page is even less acceptable, as it has no sources that are independent of the school (see this guidance). Additionally, if you are an employee or otherwise related to the school, it is a part of Wikimedia's terms of use that you formally declare that: see WP:PAID and WP:COI. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:00, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

@Biswajit Kol Read through Help:Referencing for beginners. Athanelar (talk) 15:02, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @Biswajit Kol.

A Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what the majority of people who are wholly unconnected with the subject have independently chosen to publish about the subject in reliable publications, (see Golden rule) and not much else. What you know (or anybody else knows) about the subject is not relevant except where it can be verified from a reliable published source.

Unless sources exist which meet all the conditions in the golden rule, then no acceptable article is possible. ColinFine (talk) 09:57, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

i had tried to pur the refference link and i have the refference link also which are in news epaper:

External links here

::https://www.highereducationdigest.com/praxis-business-school-building-digital-leaders-of-the-future/

https://www.telegraphindia.com/edugraph/campus/praxis-business-school-is-shaping-students-for-the-ai-driven-world-through-its-management-education/cid/2159642

https://www.telegraphindia.com/edugraph/career/from-struggle-to-success-farheen-masoods-inspiring-journey-empowered-by-education/cid/2013948

https://www.telegraphindia.com/edugraph/campus/praxis-business-school-to-host-its-inter-college-fest-spardha-2026-from-february-6-to-7/cid/2145771

https://www.telegraphindia.com/edugraph/campus/spardha-2026-at-praxis-business-school-celebrates-talent-competition-and-creativity-photogallery/cid/2151603

https://www.telegraphindia.com/edugraph/campus/praxis-business-school-kolkata-gears-up-for-edge-2026-and-startup-clinic-and-pitch-event/cid/2156060

https://www.telegraphindia.com/edugraph/campus/praxis-business-school-hosts-edge-2026-and-startup-clinic-and-pitch-event-in-kolkata/cid/2157385

https://www.telegraphindia.com/edugraph/news/praxis-business-school-organises-samvaad-2024-to-discuss-future-of-employment-education-and-skills-in-artificial-intelligence-driven-world/cid/2071130

https://www.telegraphindia.com/edugraph/campus/convocation-ceremony-hosted-by-praxis-business-school-bids-farewell-to-pgdm-class-of-2025/cid/2094411?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://www.telegraphindia.com/edugraph/campus/praxis-business-school-conducted-its-15th-convocation-for-pgdm-class-of-2023-photogallery/cid/1929361?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/education/rethinking-management-education-for-a-data-and-ai-led-economy/articleshow/126271908.cms?utm_source=chatgpt.com

https://praxis.ac.in/praxis-launches-the-first-issue-of-its-academic-journal-digitalics/?utm_source=chatgpt.com.

--Biswajit Kol (talk) 12:10, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

@Biswajit Kol: I'll BHFH this set.

My Bastard Helper From Hell assessment

• We can't use https://www.highereducationdigest.com/praxis-business-school-building-digital-leaders-of-the-future/ (unknown provenance). Role byline; who wrote this? (We're sceptical of role/absent bylines because they're frequently used to launder literal fake news.)
• We can't use https://www.telegraphindia.com/edugraph/campus/praxis-business-school-is-shaping-students-for-the-ai-driven-world-through-its-management-education/cid/2159642 (no editorial oversight). "ABP Digital Brand Hub" heavily implies this is one of those aforementioned instances of literal fake news.
• https://www.telegraphindia.com/edugraph/career/from-struggle-to-success-farheen-masoods-inspiring-journey-empowered-by-education/cid/2013948 doesn't help for eligibility (wrong subject). Article is about a woman who attended the school. Coverage of the school's alumni is not coverage of the school itself.
• We can't use https://www.telegraphindia.com/edugraph/campus/praxis-business-school-to-host-its-inter-college-fest-spardha-2026-from-february-6-to-7/cid/2145771 (unknown provenance). Role byline; who wrote this?
• We can't use https://www.telegraphindia.com/edugraph/campus/spardha-2026-at-praxis-business-school-celebrates-talent-competition-and-creativity-photogallery/cid/2151603 (unknown provenance). Role byline; who wrote this?
• We can't use https://www.telegraphindia.com/edugraph/campus/praxis-business-school-kolkata-gears-up-for-edge-2026-and-startup-clinic-and-pitch-event/cid/2156060 (unknown provenance).
• We can't use https://www.telegraphindia.com/edugraph/campus/praxis-business-school-hosts-edge-2026-and-startup-clinic-and-pitch-event-in-kolkata/cid/2157385 (unknown provenance).
• We can't use https://www.telegraphindia.com/edugraph/news/praxis-business-school-organises-samvaad-2024-to-discuss-future-of-employment-education-and-skills-in-artificial-intelligence-driven-world/cid/2071130 (unknown provenance).
• We can't use https://www.telegraphindia.com/edugraph/campus/convocation-ceremony-hosted-by-praxis-business-school-bids-farewell-to-pgdm-class-of-2025/cid/2094411?utm_source=chatgpt.com (unknown provenance).
• We can't use https://www.telegraphindia.com/edugraph/campus/praxis-business-school-conducted-its-15th-convocation-for-pgdm-class-of-2023-photogallery/cid/1929361?utm_source=chatgpt.com (too sparse, unknown provenance). We don't cite photo galleries as they have nothing to summarise.
• We can't use https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/education/rethinking-management-education-for-a-data-and-ai-led-economy/articleshow/126271908.cms?utm_source=chatgpt.com (connexion to subject). The article footer has an explicit disclaimer that the article is an advertorial for Praxis, rather unusually for the brown-envelopey ToI.
• Anything on Praxis' website doesn't help for eligibility (connexion to subject).

Nothing you have is any good. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Object Class: Drygioni} 03:44, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

VisualEditor stuck loading

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T429355

So I've been having an issue the last few days on the 2026 Michigan House of Representatives election article, pretty much ever since Friday (June 12th) when I tried to edit it originally, and that would be whenever I try to edit it, the loading bar for the visualeditor just gets completely stuck while loading. I've cleared the cache of my browser, logged into Wikipedia on a separate browser and tried to edit it, let the article load for a while, and it would just never finished loading. When I tried to edit the article through the source editor, I was allowed to just fine, but I just keep having issues with the visualeditor.

That would also be the only article I have this issue, all the other articles that I'm a frequent editor of let me edit them just fine. I thought it was an issue that would just go away after a few days, but at this point, I'm just completely lost on whether it's an issue on my end or the article. When I was trying to look up help, the only thing I got was this Reddit post, but their solution didn't work for me and, for whatever reason, my problem is only with one article and not multiple. ABlitzz (talk) 12:44, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

Its not just you - the visual editor doesn't load for me on 2026 Michigan House of Representatives election either but it works on many other pages. TomJB1 (talk) 14:37, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

I'll checked, it logs an error in the brwoser console.

Extended content

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I'l check and file a phab task if there isn't one, as the visual editor realy shouldn't throw errors that are invisible to the normal user. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:02, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

phab:T429355. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:18, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

Thank you! Can't wait until I'm actually able to edit with my preferred way again ABlitzz (talk) 15:41, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

This should be fixed now! DLynch (WMF) (talk) 22:36, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

Just checked and it's back to working normally, thank you! ABlitzz (talk) 22:52, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

Should I cite Commons and how?

I'm trying to add a citation to the uncited claim that Charles-François Dumouriez is buried in Henley in the Henley-on-Thames notable people. On Commons there is an image of his monument in St. Mary church in Henley. The first line of the monument is "HIC JACET", which google translate tells me means "here he lies".

Is the image an appropriate source and if so, how should I cite it? TomJB1 (talk) 13:50, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

@TomJB1 There is {{cite sign}} that's used for gravestones etc. You need to cite the original monument with its location in the church, not the file on Commons. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:49, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

Well found, Mike. I didn't think to look for such a template via categories. (The "1 new comment" flag came up while I was completing the post below, but for some reason Wikipedia wouldn't show it to me. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2026-27434-43 (talk) 16:56, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

Thank you, that looks like the right answer TomJB1 (talk) 17:57, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

It's an interesting question. None of the examples in Wikipedia:Citing sources or templates in Wikipedia:Citation templates seem to fit, but I would argue that a monument in a publicly-accessible location is unarguably a published reliable source, since anyone could go and see it for themself; the citation would merely have to specify the Church's location (equivalent to a 'holding library'), name ('title'), and the monument's position in the building ('page number'). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2026-27434-43 (talk) 16:52, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

wikimedia categories for Paris?

a few years ago I posted some pics of architectural details on buildings in France, and there were scores of categories and subcategories. I can't locate that webpage. where is it? ~2026-35282-91 (talk) 15:44, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

You may be looking for Wikimedia Commons, they have categories about Paris, including Commons:Category:Architectural elements in Paris. TSventon (talk) 15:53, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

that's it. thank you.  :) ~2026-35282-91 (talk) 16:26, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

Interwiki translation and CC license

I noticed that the Uzbek Wikipedia article Ovoz yozuviga boʻlgan mualliflik huquqi is a translation of an English Wikipedia article that I wrote, Sound recording copyright, but the original English article is not credited anywhere. The Uzbek page was created on 27 May 2026, so it is currently within the 30-day window during which a license violation can be cured. I don't speak Uzbek and haven't contributed to Uzbek Wikipedia at all.

How can I address this issue? I've drafted a message in English to post on the user's talk page (but haven't posted it yet), aiming to politely educate them about the CC license's attribution requirements. But should I also get an admin on Uzbek Wikipedia involved (especially if the user has submitted a lot of translations in this manner)? Qzekrom (she/her • talk) 16:09, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

See WP:RIA. The only thing which really needs to be done is to supply the appropriate attribution. You might see if there's an Uzbek editor at the WP:EMBASSY who can help with that, or just use google translate to put the attribution in the edit history of the uzbek article yourself. Athanelar (talk) 17:13, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

Referencing errors on Gondi (food)

Reference help requested. I don't know how to add in the necessary information -- this is my first time adding a completely new source. Thanks, Sheepish Lord of Chaos (talk) 17:44, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

Sheepish Lord of Chaos you have added a url, as a minimum, you need to add a title, e.g. |title=Can Persian Jews Eat Beans on Pessah? However, I wonder whether "The Dreamy Kalimi" is a Wikipedia:Reliable source? TSventon (talk) 18:10, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

He crowdsources his information from the community, as explained in the video. But if a print source is required, here's one that says the same thing: https://www.atlantajewishtimes.com/passover-recipes-persian-jewish-flavors/ Sheepish Lord of Chaos (talk) 18:14, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

I haven't watched the video. The problem is that it looks like a self published source and Wikipedia generally does not regard them as reliable, see WP:RSSELF. The Atlanta Jewish Times has an editor, so it appears to be a stronger source. TSventon (talk) 18:47, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

Edit notice move request

Hi,

I recently moved the Next Palestinian legislative election article to 2026 Palestinian legislative election. After moving it, on the Move succeeded page, I read a notice about moving this template Template:Editnotices/Page/Next Palestinian legislative election to Template:Editnotices/Page/2026 Palestinian legislative election, but I lack the permission to do so.

Thank you for any help, David O. Johnson (talk) 20:44, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for alerting people via the "help desk", David O. Johnson. I've moved the template. -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 22:27, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

When 10 articles in English are to be covered by 1 article in XYZ language, how do we handle it?

Hi everyone, dear Wikipedia editors,

My question mostly connects to the matter of Tailteann Games translation – merge or keep separate? - however, I believe this could be some help for others to, as I struggled finding clear guidelines on this challenge, however unusual and odd it is. It is a bit of a niche matter (and do note, that the title is a caricature of my concern haha): I have a two-part question about translating these Tailteann Games articles (Tailteann Games (ancient) & Tailteann Games (Irish Free State)) into French.

If two separate articles on a topic can be relevant in one language, they might be too much when translating into another. For example, a town and its monument have a clear hierarchical relationship, so separate articles make sense. But when the split is due to time frame or entity—like the Old Olympics and New Olympics—this separation is globally relevant and justified. However, the Tailteann Games follow the same concept as the Olympics (ancient vs. modern), yet they’re far less internationally known. So, for French Wikipedia, having two separate articles might be overkill.

(See https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeux_olympiques ; https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeux_olympiques_antiques >> Olympic Games ; Ancient Olympic Games)

My questions: >> Should I translate them as a combined article? If so, which English article should I link to from the French version?

>> Am I allowed to create interlanguage links to a redirect? This would mean both English articles link to one French article, but from that French article, I’d still need to determine which English article to link back to.

This is clearly a multi-wiki issue, that covers beyond the English space. Any guidance beyond my questions are more than appreciated?

TheUltimateGenealogy (talk) 22:18, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

I'd suggest, TheUltimateGenealogy, that you start by improving the English-language articles; so that whether the result in French or whatever is one article or two, it will be good stuff. A large percentage of the article that's ostensibly about the "ancient" games is instead about the modern ones. The former article has references to many sources, but few of these have titles that suggest that they go into any detail about the "ancient" games. An exception, cited three times, is Nally's The Aonac Tailteann and the Tailteann Games, Their History and Ancient Associations -- a curiously old-fashioned title for a book published this millennium. I looked it up. No surprise when I learned that it's just a 2008 reprint of something published over a century ago (OCLC 1231009228). Hasn't there been worthwhile research during the last half-century? (What does Google Scholar get you?) -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 22:52, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion dear Hoary, I agree with you (and that wasn't really my question here in the first place) the English articles would need a lot of improvements. Would you have any insights into the general questions I was raising? Thanks

TheUltimateGenealogy (talk) 23:16, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

Should I translate them [for fr:Wikipedia] as a combined article? That's a question to ask the editors of fr:Wikipedia, perhaps at Wikipédia:Forum des nouveaux. ¶ Am I allowed to create interlanguage links to a redirect? I suspect that you mean a link to a disambiguation page. I imagine that this is explained within Help:Sitelinks, but I haven't checked. -- Hoary (talk)^WWU 👍︎ 00:11, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

@TheUltimateGenealogy: In general editors on different Wikipedias can choose to write articles on the subjects they want to, so you can end up with 10 articles in one Wikipedia and 1 in another. I believe that it is possible to use redirects to create more interlanguage links, but I can't find the guidance at the moment. Last year I tried to create interlanguage links between en:Wallisch, Wallisch (Q37056283) and de:Wallisch, nds:Wallisch, ru:Валлиш, sk:Wallisch, all Wallisch (Q2543002). It worked initially, but the sk page was deleted and the de, nds and ru redirects have been unlinked from the item. The items can't be merged because one is a disambiguation page and one isn't.

In this case Tailteann Games (ancient) is linked to articles in five other Wikipedias, so the easiest way to link the different languages is to improve the existing articles. For example fr:Tailteann Games is about the ancient games and has subsections on the modern revivals. TSventon (talk) 15:29, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Thank you very much TSventon, that is very insightful and it does help a lot. TheUltimateGenealogy (talk) 15:37, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

@TheUltimateGenealogy: you could also improve the Wikidata items

• You could add the statement "different from" Tailteann Games (Q39089707) to Tailteann Games (Q2078483) and vice versa
• Wikidata uses descriptions to disambiguate items with the same label. You could change the descriptions of the two items to explain more clearly which is which, e.g. by adding dates. TSventon (talk) 16:48, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

My response is over-simplified, but I think it's a point that deserves emphasis: When the articles are good enough, both by Wikipedia standards and your own judgement, then how many there are is much less concern. If good work has been done on several articles that are all too narrow in scope, merging them is not difficult (except possibly wrangling over whether it should be done); similarly, with a well-made article that covers a topic too broad, splitting it is usually pretty simple.

The secret is in the work being good enough. It's harder to judge "what belongs where" when the "what" isn't done well. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 17:40, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

I see some good responses here. I'll just note that the type of problem where different languages' wikipedia sites have separate vs merged articles on topics is called the Bonnie and Clyde problem. DMacks (talk) 05:59, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Reporting issues on other wikis

After seeing Yet Another person reporting something on another site that the English Wikipedia has no control over, I decided to create a help page we can point people to. Please take a look and expand it if you can. I hop[e that it will save us all time and effort answering the same questions over and over.

• Help:Reporting issues on other wikis

--Guy Macon (talk) 23:41, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

Great idea! SomeoneDreaming (talk) 00:09, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Should probably mention WP:EMB for non-English Wikimedia projects. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:53, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Lost my password

[Deleted by author]

This isn't the place for password recovery, I suggest you to use the password recovery options in Special:UserLogin. WereWolf (talk) (contribs) 02:57, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

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Why is my talk page archive not showing archives past Jan 2026?

Hi all,

I have a talk page archive set up that is supposed to create archives for old message according to their month posted. It worked up until January 2026, and seems to have stopped populating the archives on the displayed box.

Here is the source text for the archive:

{{User:MiszaBot/config
| algo          = old(10d)
| archive       = User talk:Bravelake/Archives/%(year)d/%(monthname)s
| archiveheader = {{Monthly archive list}}
}}

Thanks for any help on how to fix this. Bravelake (talk) 03:58, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

The bot was still archiving them. The archive box wasn't showing them because it was pointing to your old name, which I've fixed here. The reason the archive box was still showing any links at all is that pages prior to February that were created at your old name existed as redirects. - Purplewowies (talk) 05:36, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

GRAMMAR

Who or what monitors media presenters use of English grammar? The inaccurate/careless use of the descriptive phrase "amount of", instead of "NUMBER OF", when the objects referred to CAN BE COUNTED,is incredibly disheartening. How can children be expected to develop scientifically-oriented brains when their comprehension is interfered with by inaccurate language? Kath ~2026-35344-37 (talk) 08:31, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

This doesn't seem to be related to Wikipedia. What help do you need on Wikipedia? HyperAnd [talk] 09:25, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

If you see grammar errors in a Wikipedia article, feel free to fix them. -- John of Reading (talk) 09:37, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

The answer to your question is: no English-speaking country in the World does this on a nationwide or media-specific basis (that I am aware of, or would easily believe it of, if reported). Individual media (such as the UK's BBC) may have an internal department with something like this remit, but even the BBC's usually restricts itself to advising on the pronunciation of words and names (especially non-English ones) when asked by broadcast personnel. Individual programme managers would be the first line of defence against a grammar abuser, if they chose.

An individual who repeatedly and egregiously abuses English current grammar will likely attract viewer/listener complaints, which might prompt their organisation to take steps to discourage or eliminate it. For individual or 'self-employed' media presenters, like bloggers and YouTubers, there is no possible means of controlling how they use or misuse language.

Languages evolve, quite rapidly at a micro-level, or else we would all be speaking Proto-Indo-European. Changes, additions and losses of certain meanings of words and phrases are inevitable, however much some (usually older) people dislike it. Many usages that are absolutely standard now were bitterly decried when they first emerged a century or three ago.

By all means actively oppose usages you disapprove of, perhaps by campaigning for improvements in education, if it makes you feel better (I sometimes complain about such errors myself), but keep in mind that ultimately you have no more power over this than King Canute legendarily did with the incoming tide, or else you may drive yourself mad. {{The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2026-27434-43 (talk) 17:37, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Probably the same people who monitor your outrageous omission of apostrophes, abusive SHOUTY ALL-CAPS, indecisive slash, and unspaced general punctuation . ;-) Bazza 7 (talk) 08:42, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Changing into B-class

Hello. I made the page Ship Harbour Long Lake Wilderness Area, which is currently C-class. I upgraded so the article meets the B-class criteria. Can somebody move it to B-class? Thanks, — Versions111 (talk • contribs) 12:05, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

@Versions111: for what it is worth, the WP:RATER tool rates Ship Harbour Long Lake Wilderness Area as C. As ratings are subjective you could upgrade the rating yourself and see if anyone objects. TSventon (talk) 16:21, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

I changed the ratings now. Versions111 (talk • contribs) 05:48, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

soft hyphen

I wrote an article many years ago and inserted over ten soft hyphens. For instance, here is one used in a picture caption so the spacing would fit with different devices: soft hyphen|tour|na|ment. [I purposely removed the L & R brace around that.] Should I go back and remove all the soft hyphens because they can cause glitches with some software? Isn't there also an alternative form, which is putting & shy; [I purposely put a space in there] at the spot of the line break. Thanks. JimPercy (talk) 14:40, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

@JimPercy We have the template {{shy}}. Does that help? Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:03, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Okay, thanks, I'm clear on all this now. JimPercy (talk) 18:07, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Editing California Department of Social Services page

Hi there! I have been trying to make edits that are supported with credible citations to the California Department of Social Services' page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Department_of_Social_Services and they routinely are rejected without reason. I am tasked with making sure the page is accurate and unable to do so without explanation as to why these edits are being rejected. Happy to coordinate with Wikipedia editors to address this issue. Thanks! PIOCDSS2026 (talk) 15:48, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

@PIOCDSS2026: First, DISCLOSE. Second, we don't allow external links within the body of the article; that's reserved for one entry in the infobox and a list of them at the article footer. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Object Class: Drygioni} 15:52, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

PIOCDSS2026 appears to be trying to add a reference, rather than just inserting a link. If that's what they're attempting, perhaps WP:INCITE might be of use. Andrew Jameson (talk) 16:00, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

I'd generally point them to Help:Referencing for beginners, not INCITE, but I doubt there's a need to cite the CA DSS website for specific people, which seems to be the bulk of why they're adding external links. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{Object Class: Drygioni} 16:16, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @PIOCDSS2026.

I suggest you read WP:BOSS.

It looks as if you are following whoever created that article in the first place in supposing that the purpose of a Wikipedia article is for the subject to tell people what they want people to know. It isn't.

A Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what the majority of people who are wholly unconnected with the subject have independently chosen to publish about the subject in reliable publications, (see Golden rule) and not much else. What you know (or anybody else knows) about the subject is not relevant except where it can be verified from a reliable published source.

That article is in serious need of attention, but adding more information which cannot be sourced to an independent source will just make it worse. ColinFine (talk) 17:45, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Password reset, but this email has no Wiki account

An email address of mine received a Wikipedia password reset message apparently from wikimedia.org, but it's an email that has never had a Wiki account associated with it. What's the best way for me to prevent anyone from succeeding in that kind of thing? TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 16:47, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

I can't upload media

I trying to upload the Hauntii, I followed all the question in the forms, but... there's no "Upload media" button available , even I followed and made all the forms. Here the screenshot:

???

VitorFriboquen :] (Talk) 16:52, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Now I can upload if I use Special:Upload VitorFriboquen :] (Talk) 16:55, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

New article

Hi, I'm returning to Wiki after a long time. I started an article but I think on my userpage. Now I can't find it. Can anyone help? Case Against (talk) 18:43, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

This is your new article? VitorFriboquen :] (Talk) 18:54, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Hi @Case Against. You don't have any contributions other than this post and the post at your talk page. Did you edit whilst logged out? Did you press Publish page? Publish page is akin to "Save" in Microsoft Word. Wikipedia doesn't have an auto-save feature. If you didn't click Public page then I am afraid your work is lost and can not be recovered. qcne (talk) 19:16, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks. I suspected the same. Back to the drawing board. I didn't press publish page because I hadn't finished. Do you recommend starting in the sandbox? Case Against (talk) 19:18, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

@Case Against Darn, I am sorry. That is frustrating but it is pretty common. We recommend keeping an off-Wiki backup. You can start in your personal sandbox, or as a sub-page under your Userpage, or as a draft via WP:Articles for Creation. qcne (talk) 19:24, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Yes there is nothing worse than running with the ball without saving. Second time lucky. Many thanks. Case Against (talk) 21:35, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Completed an article in my sandbox. HOw do I move it to be approved? Case Against (talk) 22:38, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

I moved your draft to Draft:Norma Procter and submitted it for review for you. Right now, the backlog is pretty long, so it may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 4,616 pending submissions waiting for review. SomeoneDreaming (talk) 02:54, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

That is very kind of you @SomeoneDreaming I really appreciate your help. Case Against (talk) 14:26, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Also how to I jump in to helping with reviews? Randomly I saw one today that I thought was really good and relevant. Shall I post it here so someone with more experience can take a look or what is the process so I can do so? Case Against (talk) 14:37, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

You can apply to become a Articles for Creation reviewer once you meet the criteria. We're always on the lookout for new reviewers so do check in once you meet the criteria to see if you can be accepted probationary! qcne (talk) 14:43, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks @Qcnethat makes sense. If I see a draft article that looks okay to me can I mention it in a thread? Anything to do with performance, Wales and Latin America are my thing so sometimes I have an eye for what is authentic. Case Against (talk) 15:08, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

I wonder if something like Asociación de Artes Escénicas del Valle de Chubut exists. :) (though I'm not sure if you meant the performing-arts kind of performance or the fast-cars kind of performance) TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 01:43, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

Probably. What do you think? Case Against (talk) 01:56, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

I think it would be a convenient all-in-one combination of "performance, Wales, Latin America". That's all. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 02:07, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

A web page

Dear Editors:

I'm wondering if you could create a web page for me. I've been informed it's possible if I supply a list of citations and a biography. Also, I assume I would need to pay one of your editors for the work. Thank you for your consideration. Here are the biography and citations:

Extended content

Biography

Gary Zebrun was born in Buffalo,N.Y. and lives in Providence, Rhode Island. He is a fiction writer and poet, and a former editor at The Providence Journal. He is a graduate of the Brown Graduate Writing Program and the recipient of Yaddo, MacDowell, and Breadloaf fellowships. He has three novels, Hart Island, Only the Lonely and Someone You Know. He has published poetry and nonfiction prose in the New York Times, the New Republic, Iowa Review, American Scholar, Sewanee Review, The Believer Book of Writers Talking to Writers, The Common, The Gay & Lesbian Review, and elsewhere.

CITATIONS

My website: https://garyzebrun.net

NOVELS

Hart Island Reviews and Awards. (2024) University of Wisconsin Press

https://outinprintblog.wordpress.com/2024/07/08/hart-island-gary-zebrun-university-of-wisconsin-press/ https://www.amazon.com/Hart-Island-Gary-Zebrun/dp/0299348342/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0 https://oceanstatereview.org/2024/07/12/a-review-of-gary-zebruns-hart-island/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferro-Grumley_Award https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Hansen_Award https://greenlightbookstore.com/event/2024-04-15/gary-zebrun-jim-shepard

Someone You Know (2004, Alyson Press) https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/gary-zebrun/someone-you-know/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambda_Literary_Award_for_Mystery

Only the lonely (2008, Alyson Press) https://www.buffalospree.com/app/buffalospreemagazine/archives/2008_10/1008books.html https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/gary-zebrun/only-the-lonely/

Short Stories

Ocean State Review “Good Boy.” https://oceanstatereview.org/2026/05/14/gary-zebrun-featured-in-the-ocean-state-review/

The Common “Champaign & Oysters” https://oceanstatereview.org/2026/05/14/gary-zebrun-featured-in-the-ocean-state-review/

The New York Times “The Russian Winters of Lackawanna, NY, https://www.nytimes.com/1982/01/02/opinion/the-russian-winters-of-buffal-o-ny-gary-zebrun.html

Prose (Gay & Lesbian Review, The New Haven Review, The New York Times, The Believer

https://glreview.org/article/article-1352/ https://www.newhavenreview.com/issue-004 https://www.nytimes.com/1979/04/03/archives/but-the-citys-in-trouble.html

https://tropismes.com/livres/archives/4224-the-believer-book-of-writers-talking-to-writers

--Gary Zebrun (talk) 19:05, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Hi Gary. Unfortunately you have the wrong idea of how Wikipedia works. We are all volunteers (anyone who accepts money in exchange for editing services is a scammer and you must avoid them!). We also do not create articles on-demand. If you meet our specific criteria for inclusion for creative professionals, a volunteer editor will, one day, create an article about you. That article would not be your web page, it would not be owned by you, and you would be heavily discouraged from editing it. It might also include criticism of you/your work and could not be used for promotion or advertisement.

Instead, I recommend focusing on your career and forgetting that Wikipedia exists. qcne (talk) 19:11, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

I'm so sorry. I didn't mean to offend you by saying I'd be willing to pay someone for the work of creating a page for me. I understand completely. It's hard for me to forget that Wikipedia exists because I have such admiration for all that it has provided for me and others over the years. Gary Zebrun (talk) 19:51, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Not offended at all, I just didn't want you to become another victim to the scam rings. qcne (talk) 20:19, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Thank you ~2026-35449-44 (talk) 20:21, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

See also An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. Some people who did shoehorn themselves into having a Wikipedia article ended up wishing they hadn't. You would have little control over negative material added to the article if it was reliably sourced. Unless you are very famous, you are better off without a Wikipedia article.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 20:23, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

That’s great to know. Thanks! ~2026-35449-44 (talk) 20:24, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

side panel (aka sidebar?) no longer appears on a wikipedia page.

E.g., searching for The Hours (film) brings up that subject. However, on the left side of the screen there is no sidebar to quick navigate to various topics within the main text. How do i restore the sidebar feature? Whitesaw (talk) 22:05, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Whitesaw Wikipedia has a new default skin, WP:VECTOR2022. To go back to the old page appearance go to special:preferences and then select appearance and Vector legacy (2010) and save. TSventon (talk) 22:20, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

@Whitesaw: Vector 2022 has a table of contents in the left sidebar but it can be hidden on a list icon to the left of the page heading. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:15, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Article about me

There is an article about me (L. Gary Leal) in Wikipedia. It has some material that could be removed but many things that are missing that should be added. Examples are books I have authored, editorships I have held, major recognitions that are not mentioned etc ( If I were editing it, I would add some recognition/awards b ut also delete others that are mminor and not really needed.) Finally, I see that the incomplete list of awards that does exist has a message that seems to indicate the need for references? I can provide these but I have no idea how to do that. I would like to know if the article can be edited. It seems like I am not supposed to do this myself? I also made a feeble attempt to input something new but clearly dp not understand your edit rules since it did not have the correct appearance when I checked. I would rather have no mention in wikipedia rather than something that is incomplete and not accurate. ~2026-35567-45 (talk) 05:36, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Hi ~2026-35567-45 (L. Gary Leal). Please take a look at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Dealing with articles about yourself for some general guidance as to what you can do in a situation like this. There are processes in place where you can seek assistance from others. However, since there's no real way for anyone to know for certain that you're who you're claiming to be, you might want to consider registering for an WP:ACCOUNT and then having your identity verified by Wikimedia VRT. Doing these things won't give you any special type of editorial control over the article's content, but it might save you the trouble of having to re-identify yourself each time you seek assistance. It will also tie all of the posts you make regarding this to one particular account, which once again might save you the hassle of having to explain who you are each time you try to seek help. You can use your WP:REALNAME if you want for your account user name, but you're not required to do so. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:48, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

I would rather have no mention in wikipedia rather than something that is incomplete and not accurate. A common sentiment, and precisely why we try to discourage people from pushing to get articles about themselves published here on Wikipedia; because you ultimately do not have any editorial control over what goes in, or whether it stays "up to date" or "accurate" or what have you.

Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost exclusively interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. Ultimately, any information you want to add to your article will need to have been reported on by reliable sources completely unaffiliated with you. Primary sources can generally only be used for things like verifying uncontroversial biographical info about you. Athanelar (talk) 07:31, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

In general, the subject of a Wikipedia article has very little control over what the article says - in fact the subject is intentionally given much less control than an average random person has, because all subjects want to show themselves in a favorable way. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 07:37, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Away for awhile

Could someone deal with the mentorship questions on my talk? JayCubby 16:37, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

@JayCubby: have you looked at Wikipedia:Mentorship#How do I pause my mentorship activity?? TSventon (talk) 16:51, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

@JayCubby I've answered the ones which were outstanding. Athanelar (talk) 16:56, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Many thanks. JayCubby 17:00, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Volleyball editors

I am having issues with volleyball editors who are constantly reverting my edits and anytime I respond with fair and justified facts, they just ignore me and I can't take it anymore. They are being unfair and running the volleyball section like a cult. I have tried to communicate fairly but it is getting nowhere. I need help because I feel so helpless and it has made my mental health worse. I have never been so neglected and when they rarely respond, be put down. Now, one editor want to delete my articles that I edited for days by myself with no help.

Also, I am not the only person who is having issues with the volleyball people as @SerdarBar is also having problems as they just ignored him too when he kindly just asked about a specific table. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 17:46, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Also, my was put up for deletion despite the person who did the nomination saying my work was commendable. That doesn't make any sense to me. ILoveSport2006 (talk) 17:51, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Since this is affecting your mental health, I think you should quit looking at volleyball articles for several months. A problem like the one you described - people acting in a cult-ish way - is likely to be very slow to get fixed, and you should not continue damaging your health to "be a hero" by being the one who fixes Wikipedia. Such a problem should be fixed, but not fixed by someone who will continue to get hurt by the process. TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 02:04, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

Edit Suggestion

I am seeing a lot of edits tagged "Tags: Visual edit Edit Suggestion seen Edit Suggestion used", but I was not able to find any page about any sort of automated edit suggestion tool. What are the criteria for use? Obviously someone wanted a human in the loop, otherwise it would just be a bot that makes the edits. Where is the guidance telling the human when to accept and whne to reject the suggestion? --Guy Macon (talk) 20:28, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Thank you. I did need a human to help, as there are several ways that I found someone could submit. This was the first part of a second question I wanted to ask, however now am uncomfortable doing so after an earlier response.

I asked that other human to answer my question rather than posting it here and risking being called out for being a beginner, and this was the page that was recommended for beginners to ask questions in that we couldn't find a clear answer for through the pages. I appreciate you stepping in to provide that constructive feedback to that individual. I think for now, I will simply not use a public forum again to ask a question.

I don't know how to close off my original question. If someone can advise me on how to do that, that will be my last public question.

Thank you. BuzzGnat (talk) 20:49, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Guy Macon is asking about something that appears to be unrelated to anything you've done. They're asking about edits that show in history and contribution pages with a special tag that none of your edits have. - Purplewowies (talk) 20:54, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

I have never had any interaction with this user and did not know they existed before reading the above comment. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:31, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

I think suggested edits might be referring to either mw:Wikimedia Apps/Suggested edits or mw:Help:Growth/Tools/Suggested edits? - Purplewowies (talk) 20:53, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

It looks like the ones I am seeing came from mw:Wikimedia Apps/Suggested edits. Which raises the question: what program is suggesting the edits? Is there a way I can see the suggestions for an article without using (Spit!) visual editor? (See .)

mw:Growth/Personalized_first_day/Newcomer_tasks#Recommending_tasks talks about it some without actually providing any details, and doesn't answer the obvious question: If these suggestions are are good, why hasn't a bot been created to implement them? If they might not be good, why is the WMF encouraging newcomers to act as meatpuppets for whatever software is making the suggestions? --Guy Macon (talk) 22:04, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Why? Because the WMF prioritises quantity of contributors (and thus potential donors) over quality of content. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:08, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

It's from "Suggestion mode" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures. See mw:Help:Suggestion mode. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:41, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Is Claire Sterling an official editor?

I received an E-mail from Claire /Sterling offering to assist me create a Wikipedia page for a $650 fee. ~2026-35603-03 (talk) 20:48, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Hello, @~2026-35603-03. No reputable editor will offer to edit for a fee. That is a scam. See WP:SCAM. ColinFine (talk) 21:03, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

True, O golpe ta aí, cai quem quer VitorFriboquen :] (Talk) 22:31, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Reasoning behind the habit of using templates instead of Wikilinks

Hello,

I'm pondering this question since years for now. Why does the English Wikipedia make such heavy use of templates for quite easy formatting tasks? What is the advantage of {{reflist}} versus a plain listing? Or {{sclass}}, which output actually really often conflicts with MOS:SEAOFBLUE?
Such "inline-templates" are a pain in the bum when endeavouring to translate such texts as they hide conventional Wiki markup article links; and I have the strong feeling that the usability for any editor wanting to work of the source code is lacking when using such templates which do not appear as intuitively as conventional markup (example: {{reflist}} versus <references />), furthermore, typing the {{ ... }}, the double curly brackets, is seemingly not as straightforward as the tag symbols < > and slashes. Such a "template-mania" is also visible on FR-WP and Commons, making it in my opinion quite difficult to begin engaging with the project for newcomers. My home Wiki, DE-WP, doesn't have as much templates AFAIK, especially not this "inline" kind, instead mostly infoboxes and navboxes.
Are there people who could explain this to me? Is there any relevant historical background? Regards, Grand-Duc (talk) 00:11, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

Reflist automatically finds every reference in the article and compiles them into a list. Similarly, sclass automatically puts the given information into the right format. Both of them have the advantage of making "the machinery" take care of things that people often make mistakes on, forget to do, or don't care about. Maybe German Wikipedia has too few forgetful/careless editors. I could probably find you some, if you'd like more of them. :) TooManyFingers (he/him · talk) 01:00, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

There is indeed a historical background, but it isn't pretty.

HTML was invented, and it was good. It got better and better until HTML 4.01 (then the evildoers turned it to shit with HTLM5, but that's another topic.)

Meanwhile, multiple online websites decided that HTML was too hard and introduced "simpler" replacements, all different and all incompatible with each other. So suddenly you needed one language to edit Wikipedia, another to edit Reddit, etc.

Then users started demanding more features -- features that were already in HTML 4.01. The various "simple" languages got bigger and more bloated.

The experienced users got used to the languages and resisted any change. And a huge amount of content was created using each unique language -- far too much to rewrite.

In came the programmers. Programmers hate writing simple things that any beginner can understand. WE (yes, I am one of them) are all about subroutines, functions, include files, libraries, and macros. And all of those do make things easier and less error prone for the experienced user, at the expense of the newbies having to learn more.

Then of course the business interests got involved. The wanted the page to gather data on users, stop them from doing some things, force them to watch other things, etc. Fortunately. Wikipedia didn't adopt their "improvements".

Mix it all together and you get what we have now. And it is too late to change. You might as well try to get rid of QWERTY and the Scroll Lock key, or try to start calling the end of the battery with more electrons the plus end. --Guy Macon (talk) 01:32, 19 June 2026 (UTC)