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Discussion on GA review of ISRO

Hi! I am starting this discussion to keep the previous discussion clean (as a reference).

Can you please recheck the status of the 'Ref assessment table' so that I can fix them (if needed). Do so whenever you get free time. I'll be waiting. – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 04:45, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

Alright. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 04:59, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

Is this a reliable source? And does it prove the point that there are five countries that have reached the lunar surface? Please let me know. – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 07:40, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

It doesn't say that five countries have reached the lunar surface explicitly, so it is required to do some WP:OR to extract it from the data. In the full article, it actually omits Japan from the list of countries and instead says four, even though the data says five countries have, so I am not sure about its reliability. It is not mentioned in WP:RSP or WP:NPPSG and doesn't have its own article (World Population Review and worldpopulationreview.com both are redlinks) either. It doesn't appear to be user-generated per its about page. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 08:00, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

I have tried to fix it. I ask you to please update the status of the 'source assessment table' once again, so that I can know what to change and what not to change.

Also, Could you let me know the status of the prose? If it is fine, that's great; otherwise, I will continue to improve it. – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 07:53, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

Alright, I will.

I have WP:BOLDly fixed the prose in the Statistics section to comply with MOS:EMBED, but it looks like it is too short to comply with MOS:SUBSECTION now. The information there should be merged into a different section (I am not sure which section yet). ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 08:04, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

Hi! Should I remove citation from The Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO /ˈɪsroʊ/) is the national space agency of India, headquartered in Bengaluru, Karnataka. It serves as the principal research and development arm of the Department of Space (DoS), overseen by the Prime Minister of India, with the Chairman of ISRO also serving as the chief executive of the DoS. It is primarily responsible for space-based operations, space exploration, international space cooperation and the development of related technologies? as there is no citation available at NASA for almost the exact same statement. – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 04:30, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

Yes, do it. Per WP:LEADCITE, citations are optional in the lead, and can be omitted if they are verifiable in the article body. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 04:32, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

Hi! Can you please update the status of the remaining two references in the source assessment table? Thanks! – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 02:43, 29 April 2026 (UTC)

I'll do that and provide more sources. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 05:11, 29 April 2026 (UTC)

Hello! I guess you have a busy schedule. I just wanted to ask you that are you going to spot check every single source of every section of ISRO? Furthermore, source spot checking is a time consuming process. Can you assess the article's neutrality (It's not my job to tell you what to do, but still, just for the sake of my curiosity)? – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 05:53, 30 April 2026 (UTC)

Alright, I'll try. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 05:54, 30 April 2026 (UTC)

Hm, NPOV assessment is actually harder than source assessing. And the problem of me only source spot checking a few sources a day, that's an issue on procrastination and having other things to do (other hobbies other than Wikipedia). I don't actually have that busy of a schedule. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 06:07, 30 April 2026 (UTC)

I see. Can you tell how many days will it take to conclude the GA review? I am just asking out of curiosity, I'm in no hurry. – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 06:13, 30 April 2026 (UTC)

I do not know. I'm already taking quite long to complete this. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 06:22, 30 April 2026 (UTC)

Well, from one perspective, taking up more of your time is actually a good thing for me, because the experience of working with you has been excellent. In the future, I will also nominate Skyroot Aerospace as a GA candidate, and at that time, I would like you to be the one to review it. – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 06:30, 30 April 2026 (UTC)

Alright. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 06:35, 30 April 2026 (UTC)

Hi! You have still marked prose () like this. What else can I improve so that it changes to () this? – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 08:42, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

I'll reread the article to see if prose is good now. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 08:44, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

Alright! – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 08:47, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

I believe the "Chairperson of ISRO" section violates MOS:EMBED (has an embedded list instead of prose), covers minor aspects of ISRO and is only cited to a primary source. It should be removed. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 08:49, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

Done! Removed per suggestion. – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 09:02, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

All that is needed now is for the section on statistics to be merged into a different section (it only consists of a short paragraph), and the prose will pass (this will also fix a MOS:SUBSECTION issue from above). I don't actually know where to merge it though. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 09:05, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

What if we merge statistics with launch vehicles? After all, it is the launch vehicles that carry the payloads. Therefore, it makes more sense for the statistics to be in that section. Or if you have something else in your mind then let me know. I'll make the correction accordingly. – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 09:13, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

Yes, we can do that. That sounds like the best option. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 09:19, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

 Done – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 09:26, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

Hi, a temporary editor has updated the number of employees of ISRO, citing this. This is too long for me (or anyone) to navigate comfortably. I want your remarks regarding this. – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 13:39, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

WebKit doesn't have a good PDF reader unfortunately. When I looked at the page it was blank, so I asked Gemini. This was its response:

Yes, the ISRO Annual Report 2025-26 confirms that the total staff strength of the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) is 14,637 as of March 1, 2026.

According to the report's section on "Human Resources" (typically found in Chapter 3), this figure represents the "in-position" strength of the department across all its centers and units.

Personnel Breakdown (Approximate)

While the 14,637 is the total, the report typically categorizes the workforce into three main groups to manage complex aerospace projects:

Scientific and Technical (S&T): Approximately 11,800–12,000 personnel (roughly 80% of the workforce). This group includes engineers, scientists, and technical assistants responsible for mission design, satellite fabrication, and launch operations.

Administrative & Support Staff: Approximately 2,000–2,200 personnel. This includes staff involved in management, human resources, finance, and procurement.

Auxiliary Support: The remainder consists of medical and security services specifically dedicated to ISRO facilities.

Key Centers and Workforce Distribution

The 14,637 employees are distributed across several major hubs, with the largest concentrations at:

Vikram Sarabhai Space Centre (VSSC): The largest workforce, focused on rocket and launch vehicle development.

U R Rao Satellite Centre (URSC): Primary hub for satellite design and construction.

Satish Dhawan Space Centre (SDSC SHAR): The main spaceport for launch operations.

Space Applications Centre (SAC): Dedicated to payload development and data applications.

The report also highlights a "Sanctioned Strength" of 18,669, indicating that while the current workforce is 14,637, there are approximately 2,800+ vacancies that the department is actively working to fill through ongoing recruitment cycles to support upcoming missions like Gaganyaan and Chandrayaan-5.

I'll have to wait until I have access to my computer in order to verify its response. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 00:18, 29 April 2026 (UTC)

There is one more thing. Yesterday, you said you will write a user script that semi-automates the source spot checking. You did not do it so I thought I should point it out. – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 15:42, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

Ah yes I procrasinated. I don't have my computer with me right now, only my phone, so I can't exactly do that right now. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 00:06, 29 April 2026 (UTC)

Had to reinstall Arch Linux, I can continue the review tomorrow (since it's 22:09; probably too late for a GA review.). ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 12:09, 1 May 2026 (UTC)

Alright! – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 12:32, 1 May 2026 (UTC)

I was thinking that what happened to the semi-automation of source spot checking? Are you working on that? – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 05:19, 4 May 2026 (UTC)

I again am procrasinating. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 05:42, 4 May 2026 (UTC)

But my friend, why would you do that? Is there something specific? – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 07:25, 4 May 2026 (UTC)

Sorry for taking long to respond, but it is because coding an entire source spot check helper would take quite long without vibe coding it (and I do not want to vibe code things, since then I will not understand my code).

I was a bit busy, and will continue the review when I get back to my computer, because editing on mobile is slow. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 00:05, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

Hi! Can we resume reviewing ISRO on other criterias such as WP:MOS, WP:RS, WP:OR, and WP:NPOV? As they are marked as unassessed. I apologize for reminding you again and again, but I am very eager about this GA review and simply want this article to be promoted as soon as possible. – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 08:28, 20 May 2026 (UTC)

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No, I've already given up on reviewing one monotonous article, I don't want to have to review 50 more. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 22:28, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

GA review request of Skyroot Aerospace

Hi OzmoOzmo! Would you like to review Skyroot Aerospace? It is short in length and would be a quick review. Please consider! Regards. – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 06:19, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

I would but the Wikimedia Foundation has done something appalling (see WP:WWUS, WP:COMMTECHGATE or the "In solidarity" link on my signature, I am bad at explaining things). ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c:In solidarity 06:33, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

I read the discussion, and I found that some editors were making personal attacks and assuming bad faith. While the WMF's actions are certainly horrible, the response also left much to be desired.

There was also an extreme response: responding to "WMF lays off handful of important employees" with "let's treat it like SOPA, make the site permanently read-only, block everyone who disagrees, prevent readers from reading articles, etc..

Therefore I am removing my signature from WP:WWUS and removing the part of my signature advertising it. I will review it. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c:In solidarity 08:11, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

I see. So, have you considered reviewing Skyroot Aerospace? – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 17:11, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

I will check it out now., ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 22:35, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

Yeah, looks short enough for me to review. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 22:36, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I quick-failed it for having copyright violations. You can see the review page for more information. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 03:32, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

I have removed all the sources violating WP:CV and sources citing social media links. Can you recheck the status of WP:CV and quick-fail criteria. It would be helpful. – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 03:56, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

Alright. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 03:56, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

Thanks! Also, can you please tell me where to find reliable source for the article (Skyroot)? As almost every single Indian news media is banned from Wikipedia. I tried to find reliable sources on Ars Technica and Space.com, but that didn't help. – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 03:59, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

That is not true; see WP:NPPSG#India, which contains many Indian reliable sources in the "reliable" section. Most of the news sources you are thinking of are ranked as "no consensus", rather than "unreliable". ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 04:02, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

Okay. Have you checked the status of copyright violation? – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 04:11, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

Despite searching extensively, I was unable to find it. Could you please help me remove it? – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 04:32, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

I often ask people too much. Please don't mind. – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 04:37, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

The comparison from Earwig's copyvio detector is here. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 04:56, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

Can you please fix this? It's a humble request. – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 05:13, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

Alright, I will. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 06:03, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

Hang on, I think this website may have copied Wikipedia. In that case, it wouldn't be a copyright violation. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 06:05, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

I asked for help at Teahouse to remove copyvios, and an administrator responded. Can you please address the concerns they mentioned? – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 09:57, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

I don't know when it was added. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 09:59, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

So what can we possibly do about it? – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 10:00, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

Hm, well, I'll remove it then until we know when it was added. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 10:01, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

What can we possibly do next to remove all the copyvios? – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 12:08, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

I have rewritten the 'history section' to avoid WP:CV. Tell me how much content containing copyright violations is left? – 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ ^{𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔} 14:18, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

The copyvios have been removed. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 23:17, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

Do not remove my comments

A personal attack is an comment against one's character. Comments about someone's actions are not personal attacks. Here is an illustration of the difference:

1. A non-personal attack: "I think that Andy was wrong to do X." The comment is about X. 2. Also a non-personal attack: "I think that Andy's doing X was fucked up." The comment, while more strongly worded, is nevertheless about X. 3. A personal attack: "I think that Andy is a bad guy." The comment is about Andy, as a person. 4. An extreme personal attack: "I think that Andy is fucked up." The comment is about Andy. Gnomingstuff (talk) 07:39, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

The comment was definitely incivil, but I see your point; it is not a personal attack. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 08:00, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Village_pump_(WMF)#Civility. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 08:01, 30 May 2026 (UTC)

Block accounts which I forgot the password of

Can you please block User:OzmoOzmoTest2 and User:OzmoOzmoTest3? I forgot the password immediately after creating them, and so they are of no use. I originally wanted to see what the block screen looked like, but figured I could make a MediaWiki instance to test that instead.

(Please disable autoblock) ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 08:35, 31 May 2026 (UTC)

I don't think there's any need to block them. (I also don't have any way of telling whether they are actually yours, despite the obvious username similarity.) If you don't want to use them, just abandon them.

But while I'm here, can I ask if the OzmoOzmo-testing and/or OzmoOzmoAlt accounts are also yours? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:00, 31 May 2026 (UTC)

OzmoOzmo-testing is mine. OzmoOzmoAlt was an impersonator who performed image vandalism on this page, see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:OzmoOzmo&action=history&offset=20260425105314%7C1351004015. ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 10:32, 31 May 2026 (UTC)

Here is confirmation. ozmoozmotest@enwiki (talk) 10:34, 31 May 2026 (UTC)

Proof that User:OzmoOzmoTest2 is mine: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&logid=181310454

I have no way of proving User:OzmoOzmoTest3 is mine, as I created it in a private window ozmoozmo@enwiki$t.c 04:51, 1 June 2026 (UTC)