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The map should be updated

I don't have the tools to do it, can someone update the 2019 map? The 2020 update was skipped for Covid i guess, but these are the invited guests for 2021: Algeria, Brunei, DR Congo, New Zealand, Singapore, Rwanda, Spain, Netherlands. Barjimoa (talk) 09:23, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Map Of India is also not correctly shown, kindly have a look of it too. 116.73.196.104 (talk) 16:30, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Indian map is not correct 110.225.82.225 (talk) 03:03, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Russia out

Please put out Russia from G20 92.250.101.1 (talk) 23:44, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Why? It's still a member, even if Putin, Xi, and Sánchez didn't attend. Tayuro (talk) 12:38, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

And, yes, it's still a member even if it started a bloodbath. Tayuro (talk) 12:39, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

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Why is the United Kingdom not included in the map

It is definitely a member but is not included in the map, somebody should fix that, I don´t know how. StrongALPHA (talk) 09:44, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• I made a typo in the source code when creating the map. It has now been fixed. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 10:43, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 9 September 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Withdrawn by filer. KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 01:53, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

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• G20 → G21
• G21 → G21 (disambiguation)G21 (disambiguation)

– African Union is now a part of the G20, it's time to rename the article to G21. — 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ 💬 10:44, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Note: pages with content, such as G21, are ineligible to be proposed titles in move requests unless they, too, are formally dispositioned. "G21 → G21 (disambiguation)G21 (disambiguation)" has been added to this request to meet that requirement. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 12:24, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose and procedural close – No indication that the group will be renamed at the moment, and this is not something for Wikipedia to decide. All reliable sources are merely noting speculation over the name, we will have to wait and see if such a change eventuates. No criteria for moving have been met. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 11:10, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose as premature and speculative. Neutral on procedural close. Killuminator (talk) 11:18, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Let's wait for the tomorrow's official decleration for more clarity on renaming Apurvjain9999 (talk) 11:26, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
  • Yes, which is why I was neutral on a procedural close. Killuminator (talk) 11:34, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
    • There's no point leaving the discussion open for !voting when we have no information to go off. This is entirely premature and cannot be productive in any way. Either there is no change, and there will be no discussion, or there will be change, and the move will be uncontroversial. No need for this to go on. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 11:36, 9 September 2023 (UTC)
• Comment. Gentle reminder that the WP:NAMECHANGES policy guides us to "...give extra weight to independent, reliable English-language sources ("reliable sources") written after the name change." This means that we don't necessarily change an article title under these circumstances. Wikipedia is sensitive to its readers under WP:COMMONNAME and will keep recognizable titles until a new name has become common in reliable sources. For this reason, letting this move request continue for at least the usual seven-day period would be a good idea. It will be important to keep an eye on reliable sources to determine just what the common name is and what it eventually becomes. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 12:24, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose & Close - Unnecessary discussion. The group has not announced it to be named as G21 yet. Change only if name change is officially announced. Shaan Sengupta^Talk 16:24, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose under WP:COMMONNAME MarkiPoli (talk) 16:30, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose let's wait until the official sources change it, if they ever do. 178.120.15.173 (talk) 19:07, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Oppose due to WP:CRYSTALBALL. --Minoa (talk) 22:19, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose/Speedy close (Withdrawing) - I agree with the point that it really seems too early to change the article title as of now. Although it is bound to happen, we can/should wait for the official announcement. — 𝙰𝚔𝚜𝚑𝚊𝚍𝚎𝚟™ 💬 01:02, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

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Highlights

The highlighting at the beginning of the article needs to be removed. It is distracting and makes the text difficult to read. Please maintain the general style standard of Wikipedia articles. 170.103.116.191 (talk) 13:51, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

European Union or African Union first?

So, mentioning that member countries is listed in alphabetical order, should it AU be written/placed (in table, etc.) first? or EU be first because it's joined first, and not a country 'category'? EdhyRa (talk) 17:28, 9 September 2023 (UTC)

Since the user who keeps reverting changes puts their reasoning in the description of their edit, let me just put it here: "The orders of the EU and the AU should be in chronological order of membership in the introduction, unlike the alphabetically ordered tables and lists below. To place the African Union before the European Union seems like a politically motivated statement, rather than a logical choice. Wikipedia should be objective, and not be at the whim of political statements."

Personally, I would disagree. I would argue that it's more of a political statement to put the EU first. You don't usually list members of a thing in chronological order instead of alphabetical unless you're doing so for a specific reason or you say "and later, this member." Or unless you're racist, but that's just stating the implied. I will personally give the aforementioned the benefit of the doubt. Tayuro (talk) 12:50, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 September 2023

"Change G20 to G21" in summits section, 10th paragraph - last line 103.71.78.195 (talk) 09:33, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 11:15, 10 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 September 2023

India has held the G20 presidency since 1 December 2022, with its presidency's theme being Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam or "वसुधैव कुटुम्बकम्" in Sanskrit or translated as "One Earth, One Family, One Future'" in English. and the summit was held from 9 September 2023 to 10 September 2023 at Bharat Mandapam, New Delhi. In an interview on 26 August 2023, Prime Minister Narendra Modi expressed optimism about the G20 countries' evolving agenda under India's presidency, shifting toward a human-centric development approach that aligns with the concerns of the Global South, including addressing climate change, debt restructuring through the G20's Common Framework for debt, and a strategy for regulation of global cryptocurrencies. G20 became G21 by the inclusion of African Union, 106.219.101.94 (talk) 18:18, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Pinchme123 (talk) 03:39, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

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On G20 source edit

India has held the G20 presidency since 1 December 2022, with its presidency's theme being Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam or "वसुधैव कुटुम्बकम्" in Sanskrit or translated as "One Earth, One Family, One Future'" in English. and the summit was held from 9 September 2023 to 10 September 2023 at Bharat Mandapam, New Delhi. In an interview on 26 August 2023, Prime Minister Narendra Modi expressed optimism about the G20 countries' evolving agenda under India's presidency, shifting toward a human-centric development approach that aligns with the concerns of the Global South, including addressing climate change, debt restructuring through the G20's Common Framework for debt, and a strategy for regulation of global cryptocurrencies. G20 became G21 by the inclusion of African Union, 106.219.101.94 (talk) 18:24, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

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After inclusion African union G20 became G21

India has held the G20 presidency since 1 December 2022, with its presidency's theme being Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam or "वसुधैव कुटुम्बकम्" in Sanskrit or translated as "One Earth, One Family, One Future'" in English. and the summit was held from 9 September 2023 to 10 September 2023 at Bharat Mandapam, New Delhi. In an interview on 26 August 2023, Prime Minister Narendra Modi expressed optimism about the G20 countries' evolving agenda under India's presidency, shifting toward a human-centric development approach that aligns with the concerns of the Global South, including addressing climate change, debt restructuring through the G20's Common Framework for debt, and a strategy for regulation of global cryptocurrencies. G20 became G21 by the inclusion of African Union, Aakashdubey460 (talk) 18:27, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 12 September 2023

The data about Nominal GDP per Capita in USD and GDP PPP per capita in USD for African Union is empty which can be calculated by Nominal GDP of African Union divided by Population of African Union to get Nominal GDP per capita of African Union in USD which is $2273.52 and GDP PPP per Capita of African Union in USD is $6757.27(for which divide GDP PPP per capita of African Union in USD by Population of African Union) Sundeep Nag (talk) 11:02, 12 September 2023 (UTC)

 Already done M.Bitton (talk) 20:49, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 November 2023

Can you add groupofnations.com to this page? I have been involved in publishing publications for the last 27 years Groupofnations (talk) 20:20, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: Per WP:ELNO#EL4. Editor has also been spam blocked. Liu1126 (talk) 21:25, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

Argentine not meet the t&c to top 20 economy

Argentine not meet the t&c to top 20 economy 202.80.218.57 (talk) 19:42, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Question about handing over the Presidency/Chairman position

Is the next Chairman considered incumbent at the point of the physical handover at the summit by the previous Chairman, or is it always on the 1st of December? Thanks! Brazil hands over G20 Presidency - G20 official website news

Samsattet001 (talk) 06:59, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

(Multi/Bi)Lateral relations categories

Could the 19 sovereign countries that are members of the G20 have the X-Y relations (bilateral relations category) and multilateral relations of X categories? Such as in BRICS having Category:Multilateral relations of China and Category:India–Russia relations, for example? I'm not sure if the BRICS case is right or something apart.

I couldn't find a discussion. But I guess this would overload the categories, it would have +19 categories (multilateral) plus +171 bilateral relations [calc=(19!)/((2!(19-2)!))]. Obviously there would be more if we consider countries from African and European unions. Web-julio (talk) 17:34, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

More about Chair rotation and location for Summits

So, in the section Summits, subsection Chair rotation, we read "All countries within a group are eligible to take over the G20 Presidency when it is their group's turn" and it isn't stated explicitly but clearly implied that the annual summit is held in the country which holds the Chair for that year. But the phrase "their group's turn" raises the question of how that is determined. One would naively think that the group numbers are stepped through in sequence, but looking at the history, one sees that in the 15 years from Korea's hosting in 2010, the 5 groups have been hosts in the order 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, 2, 5, 4, 3, 5, 1, 4, 5, 2, 3, 2. It seemed to have an order to start with that was lost after the first run through, and all that can be said about the sequence is that as of 2025, each member country has now hosted a summit once, with Canada, US, UK and Korea not yet having held the Chair far a full one year term, their summits having occurred during the twice yearly hosting change period. And the actual scheme being used to determine the next chairmanship isn't obtainable from the text, as how the selection of the next group to have a "turn" is arrived at is not obvious. Can anyone shed more light on this? Who will have the chair next, and from what group? 2001:56A:F0E9:9B00:44C0:5BF0:307:4099 (talk) 21:54, 28 August 2025 (UTC)JustSomeWikiReader