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columns

You edited several Road to Le Mans articles, finding markup of this form:

{{col-start}}
{{col-2}}
(first table)
{{col-2}}
(second table)
{{col-end}}

and removing the first {{col-2}}. In my correction, I included edit summaries like "If you wish to remove a column you must remove a full set of column markup, not just one {{col-2}} template." Unfortunately, you didn't understand my meaning, so I will explain it more completely. If you want to remove the two-column structure, you have to do it completely and remove all four column templates, not just the first {{col-2}} template. Removing just that one template results in a Table tag that should be deleted lint error. So, again I say to you, with respect to these four articles, If you want to get rid of the two-column structure, you have to do it completely and remove all four column templates, not just the first {{col-2}} template. Since you are the one who wants to get rid of the two-column structure, will you please complete the task? —Anomalocaris (talk) 08:22, 17 December 2023 (UTC)

This clears my doubts, i appreciate the explanation.

Thanks Anomalocaris! Road Atlanta Turn 5 (talk) 12:55, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

It should be fixed now.

Thanks a lot for telling me this.

Have a great day mate! Road Atlanta Turn 5 (talk) 13:02, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

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you mean like, every edit i do? Road Atlanta Turn 5 (talk) 09:52, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Ideally, even if it is just a basic summary like "copyedit" or "typo" it helps other readers a lot. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 09:52, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

alright, got it.

Thanks for the advice and have a nice day! Road Atlanta Turn 5 (talk) 09:58, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Overlinking

Please consult MOS:OVERLINK. The article on the fourth-largest city and seventh-largest metropolis in the world does not need to be linked to. If someone wants more information on the location of the Interlagos Circuit then they can just click on the adjacent link to the article about the circuit. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 09:51, 7 January 2024 (UTC)HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 10:00, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough.

Thanks for making me aware of this, i appreciate it. Road Atlanta Turn 5 (talk) 10:03, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the prompt and polite replies. I also appreciate that. Happy editing. HumanBodyPiloter5 (talk) 10:05, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Happy editing to you too mate! Road Atlanta Turn 5 (talk) 10:10, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Happy 18th birthday!

You are now the legal age to do adult stuff BurningBlaze05 (talk) 07:28, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

hahaha, thanks!! Road Atlanta Turn 5 (talk) 13:36, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Greetings!

Just coming here to say that I love the user name. Happy editing :] ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  17:39, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

Yoo, thanks for the message, i really appreciate it!!

Your name is cool too, probably more unique than mine! Road Atlanta Turn 5 (talk) 20:29, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

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Happy 19th birthday!

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Ligier European Series

If you are so sure... Wow... You already did it... Created the subj article. Look. I don't mind the whole series can be WP:notable, but it's not talking about it's seasons.

Why don't you lead your pursuit into creating one good article and just move all that stuff from seasonal (but obviously notability faulty) articles to the main one?

It will be really a great achievement and I won't even deny it's notability as the common one.

That also will you free from deleting a huge amount of primary sourced seasonal text as it's not needed at the common article, where exactly common (meaning LES exactly is notable and not any of it's season) notability already approved.

Do you need help moving the staff from there to here? 83.142.111.65 (talk) 14:54, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Holy passive-aggressive message Road Atlanta Turn 5 (talk) 14:57, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Do you mean yourself?

So do you need help or not? 83.142.111.65 (talk) 14:59, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

What I meant was that the entire message was completely passive aggressive and a bit uncalled for. Road Atlanta Turn 5 (talk) 15:05, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

WP:GF, as you wish, if any - write to the articles' talk pages' section I pointed you to. 83.142.111.65 (talk) 15:10, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

I'll wait until the deletion discussion to do that as I think that's a better place to do that. Road Atlanta Turn 5 (talk) 15:15, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Ok, then please just do not WP:DE. Have something reasonable to comment - welcome to article's talk page first. 83.142.111.65 (talk) 15:28, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

Refer to my previous message. Road Atlanta Turn 5 (talk) 15:29, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

What exactly do you mean me to refer there about? I don't see any connection. 83.142.111.65 (talk) 15:34, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

I do. Road Atlanta Turn 5 (talk) 15:43, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

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I didn't even know that Baert had a page in French, as I made the page completely from scratch.

If I did use it as a base, I would've mentioned it. Road Atlanta Turn 5 (Talk) 15:10, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

That's strange, especially because the nlwiki version is appearing to be created 14 Mar, while the enwiki version was created 27 April. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:15, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

It is strange to me too, as I had no idea until now that he had a page in another language until now Road Atlanta Turn 5 (Talk) 15:17, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Though I do thank you regardless for telling me this as I was planning to translate some pages soon, but I had no idea how to mention that in the edit summary/talk page, so thank you @Vanderwaalforces !! Road Atlanta Turn 5 (Talk) 15:20, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Oh great, thank you for your hard work. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:21, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

Thanks man! I hope your editing on wikipedia will continue smoothly and I hope you also have a nice day! Road Atlanta Turn 5 (Talk) 15:22, 10 May 2025 (UTC)

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Jello

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Speedy deletion nomination of Ivan Klymenko (racing driver)

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Name of Fran Rueda's page

Hello! I'm the editor of Fran Rueda's (driver) spanish article. I'd like you to correct his name, because it's not Francisco, it's Fran. I'd also like you to add Málaga after Alhaurín de la Torre. Thank. Pablolopeez (talk) 18:15, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

Overall, the information is really great. I also think it would be nice if you could add a couple of photos of him or his GT3 racing career throughout the article, like in the spanish version. All the best. Pablolopeez (talk) 18:18, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

I am not adding images ripped off his social pages without permission as that's a violation of Wikipedia's guidelines. Road Atlanta Turn 5 (Talk) 18:28, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

His name is Francisco as backed up by these sources: , , If you dont think its correct, please back it up with evidence.

I am conceding the other part though - but only on the infobox as its the only place where it is necessary. Road Atlanta Turn 5 (Talk) 18:26, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

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Except the source you added wasn't even published when I edited the page - there were no "reliable" (according to wiki standards that is; seeing how the announcement came on the team's instagram) sources at the time, so this note feels pointless mate. Road Atlanta Turn 5 (Talk) 16:37, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

Did the thought ever cross your mind that maybe if there are no reliable sources for a claim then maybe it should not be added to Wikipedia? It won't hurt waiting a bit until there is a source, this is not a fight to be the fastest one. Hmnphl (talk) 16:43, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

I'd say a team's press release is reliable when a driver is announced. Road Atlanta Turn 5 (Talk) 16:45, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

So, by your own statement, you did not add a source because there was no reliable source available - only a press release by the team, which is, by your own statement, reliable? Then why not add that, make it make sense, please. Hmnphl (talk) 16:48, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

Because I forgot to link it, which I can't hide that is a miss on my end. Road Atlanta Turn 5 (Talk) 16:51, 25 June 2025 (UTC)

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Hey there, thank you for telling me! I think it's fixed now that i've come back to it.

Happy editing Noxoug!! Road Atlanta Turn 5 (Talk) 09:32, 3 September 2025 (UTC)

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Megan Bruce

Thanks for starting the Megan Bruce draft page. I made some edits and I hope it can be moved to the mainspace soon. Also wanted to let you know there is a published article on the Dutch wiki here, so they may be linked together later. PREDESTINATO (talk) 18:48, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

Hi there, I appreciate the edits! However, with the current sources I personally wouldn't move it to mainspace as they don't estabilish notability. An excess of primary sources (GB4, F1 Academy, who are the championships in question) won't help our case, whereas sources from Bruce's hometown (such as the one i found from sussex) or independent sites (Formula Scout, Feeder Series, Racers Behind the Helmet, as a few examples) will help the page in question to estabilish notability.

I'm busy for the whole weekend so I won't be able to do much in terms of editing, but I will come back to it once I have some free time.

I really appreciate you expanding the page and I wanted to explain primary/secondary sources thing to you in order to make this (and posssibly) other pages the best we possibly could. I suggest reading WP:Primary for a more detailed explanation and check well-kept driver pages such as Freddie Slater or Noah Monteiro to have a baseline on what a page about a driver should (in my opinion) look like. Road Atlanta Turn 5 (Talk) 09:16, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

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Draftification of Kai Veitch article

Hi,

I wanted to query the move of Kai Veitch to Draft space. The article had been rated Class B following review by two independent Wikipedia editors, which I'd suggest contradicts the stated rationale that the prose needs a rewrite.

On sourcing, the article includes independent coverage from Speedcafe (two separate articles), Auto Action, CODE Sports (syndicated in The Sunday Telegraph), The Philippine Star and The Times in the UK, all of which are independent secondary sources meeting WP:GNG for an active racing driver at this stage of his career.

Draftification is generally intended for articles that were never ready for mainspace. Given the existing quality assessment and source base, I'd ask you to reconsider the move, or alternatively to open a formal AfD if you believe the notability case isn't met, so the community can assess it properly.

Happy to discuss further. Thanks

Hey there! I read Kai's article and it had an LLM-generated/resume vibe, hence my concern on the prose, plus most of the 20+ sources were either primary or database entries, which don't establish notability towards the subject. While there were a few secondary sources, I think it's too early for Kai to have a page and wait for more secondary sources to come in and put them in the article as time goes on. Road Atlanta Turn 5 (Talk) 16:04, 17 May 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for the detailed response, that's really helpful to understand your thinking.

On the prose, I should be upfront that I'm relatively new to Wikipedia and I've been trying hard to follow the Manual of Style, which may have made the writing feel more formulaic than natural. I'd genuinely welcome specific feedback on which sections felt that way so I can work on improving them.

On the sourcing, I wanted to flag something that may not be obvious from the article as it stands. The CODE Sports article by Julian Linden wasn't just syndicated in The Sunday Telegraph, it was distributed across the full News Corp Australia network, which includes:

• The Herald Sun (Melbourne) — Australia's highest-circulation daily
• The Daily Telegraph (Sydney)
• The Courier-Mail (Brisbane)
• The Advertiser (Adelaide)
• The Mercury (Hobart)
• The Australian (national broadsheet)

News Corp Australia's print and digital properties collectively reach over 15 million Australians each month. A syndicated feature by a named journalist (F1 is his speciality) across that network is fairly substantial independent coverage for a 15-year-old driver at this stage of his career.

Combined with the two Speedcafe articles, Auto Action, The Philippine Star and The Times in the UK, I think the secondary source base is stronger than it might first appear. I appreciate you keeping the draft rather than pursuing deletion happy to keep working on it. Paul Veitch (talk) 16:21, 17 May 2026 (UTC)

My only advice for writing would be to see what other well-written articles about racing drivers look like and base it off of them. Noah Monteiro and Dries van Langendonck I think could be good reference points on how a well-written article should be like with enough sources to back it up.

On the secondary sourcing part, I think the ones that are currently there are good, but as of now I don't think they're enough to warrant a page just yet, so as I said before it's better to wait it out until more of those are out to establish as much notability as possible. On the drafting part, I thought it was better to move it back to drafts rather than take it to AFD because I think that it has a decent foundation and needs quite a bit of a revamp (and some time, as previously said) before it can be put back into mainspace again. Road Atlanta Turn 5 (Talk) 16:34, 17 May 2026 (UTC)

Hey there! Just finished working on the prose to have a more encyclopedic tone on it, if you disagree with any of my changes then let me know and we can try to find a middle ground. I'll get to the karting/racing tables when I have more time, as the current ones are a bit too big and I think need to be compacted like this for instance. Road Atlanta Turn 5 (Talk) 19:23, 17 May 2026 (UTC)

@Paul Veitch pinging you again as I saw that you were a bit unpleased with the changes and I'm wondering why you didn't reply to my reply above, in which I told you if you disagree with any of my changes then let me know and instead went asking other people to review voicing your concerns about the changes. I'm happy to help with the draft regardless. Road Atlanta Turn 5 (Talk) 08:36, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

Hi,

Thanks for the ping. I was actually waiting for you to finish your updates before commenting, as you'd mentioned you'd be looking at the tables too. I didn't want to raise concerns about a work in progress before seeing the finished result.

I also want to clarify the situation with Ipigott. She was appointed as my mentor when I joined Wikipedia, so I had already been working with her on the article. When the draftification happened I reached out to her for independent advice, which is what she's there for.

As I am new to Wikipedia, I spent quite a lot of time before I posted the article and any other changes studying the policies in general and the motorsport specific guidance as well as the style guides

On the edits themselves, a number of the prose changes are genuine improvements and I appreciate the time you've put in. The restructured Career section reads more naturally and the lead is tighter.

That said, I do have some concerns about content that has been removed that goes beyond prose:

On the infobox, Elite Motorsport has been removed from former teams, and the previous series field now only shows the Ginetta Junior Winter Series. The British Kart Championship, Ultimate Karting Championship, RMC International Trophy and RMC Euro Trophy have all been removed. These are all documented in the article and I'd ask that they be restored.

On the karting career, a fair amount of sourced detail has been removed, including the 2023 and 2024 BKC standings, the Rotax Max Euro Trophy appearances and the Belgium crash that resulted in a broken hand. Under WP:PRESERVE, content that is accurate and sourced should be kept unless there is a specific policy reason to remove it. On the Kartmasters result specifically, Auto Action described him as one of the youngest drivers to achieve a Senior Rotax podium at the event, and this has been independently reported across multiple publications, which I'd suggest takes it beyond WP:TRIVIA.

On the CODE Sports paragraph, the note that Julian Linden's article was syndicated across News Corp Australia newspapers has been removed. This is accurately sourced and appeared across major titles including the Herald Sun, Daily Telegraph, Courier-Mail, Advertiser and Mercury. I can supply scans of the article if needed for correct sourcing. I'd ask that it be restored.

Happy to discuss any of this. I'd also like to suggest that I could help research and draft articles for other Ginetta Junior drivers who might meet notability criteria, if that's something you'd be interested in working on together.

Thanks

Paul Paul Veitch (talk) 11:10, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

hey there! I did remove Elite Motorsport from the infobox because the [championship] career section was about the MAIN Ginetta Junior Championship and not the winter one, hence why it was removed, as by definition they're two different series. On the infobox side, we dont put in karting seasons; see Freddie Slater, Noah Monteiro and Dries van Langendonck for reference, so the current one stands.

On the karting side, the placement of the standings is still there in the tables so it's still preserved, but I did cut down the karting prose per WP:TOOMUCH, as I don't think mentioning every single participation and every single results is worth it, especially if most results are lowly placements. I might restore the one of the youngest drivers to score a podium in the Kartmasters British GP section though, which I initially removed as I thought it was vague but upon reflection maybe it's not a bad idea to have it there.

On the CODE Sports thing, I still kept the source but I don't think its relevant to Kai to say that his karting career was covered on many newspapers, when you can just source them. Road Atlanta Turn 5 (Talk) 13:11, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for the updates, the article is reading much better and I appreciate the work you've put in.

A couple of things worth flagging before it goes back to mainspace:

On the technical side, the categories are currently using [[:Category:]] rather than [[Category:]], which means they won't work in mainspace. There's also a small typo in the lead paragraph where "made" appears twice.

On the content side, I have two remaining points. The Belgium crash detail was sourced to Speedcafe and I think it's worth keeping as it adds genuine narrative context rather than just being a results entry. It explains a significant interruption to his 2024 season and is the kind of human detail that distinguishes a biography from a results database.

On the CODE Sports paragraph, I understand your point that the source can just be cited rather than discussed in the text. That said, I think briefly noting the syndication across News Corp Australia is worth one sentence, as it gives the reader context for the scale of the coverage rather than leaving it as an unexplained footnote. Happy to suggest specific wording if that helps.

Thanks again.

Paul Paul Veitch (talk) 16:15, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

Hey there!

the [[:Category:]] thing is put in place for pages in draftspace, as drafts are not supposed to have categories, so if you were to put [[Category:]] now, it would get flagged by a bot and have all the categories removed, so i'm keeping the former as long as it is a draft.

For the Belgium crash, I'll add it once i have quite a bit of time on my side (as with the other changes i had planned), but I really appreciate you pointing it out and I'll keep this in mind when i get back to it. I'm currently swamped so it might take a week or so before I can implement everything; just as a heads up to you.

On the final point, i don't think the syndication of the material is relevant to Kai itself, so I'm hesitant to add a sentence about it. Added note that it's also a bit out of my depth, so I'd recommend reaching out to MB2437, who has mentioned news oulets in articles he's written from scratch (Monteiro, Van Langendonck as examples), so I think he's better suited for that question. Road Atlanta Turn 5 (Talk) 17:44, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

Also on the drafts side for Ginetta, I think its a bit too early to make a page about anyone on the grid at the moment, seeing as its an entry-level series with the minimum age to compete being lower than F4, so people competing there are less likely to have a big karting career behind them and thus less information to source. So for now I'd just leave it at that. Road Atlanta Turn 5 (Talk) 13:22, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

• Thank you, Road Atlanta Turn 5, for your efforts to bring the draft up to standard. On the basis of the improvements you have made and the presence of several valid independent citations, it looks to me as if the draft will soon be ready for returning to mainspace. While you have suggested that we should wait for more valid secondary sources to appear, I think further improvements could just as well be made to a mainspace version of the article. I would therefore be interested to hear whether you would be ready to return to article to mainspace once you have completed your current work on the draft. I find it most encouraging that Paul Veitch is now ready to create biographies of other players in the sphere. This should free him from the constraints of COI.--Ipigott (talk) 14:16, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

  Hey there! I'm just trying to sort out my busy off-wiki schedule so I can get back on the draft and make all the changes I had planned for it before moving it back to mainspace. As of now I'm just doing small edits here and there between breaks, but I'll probably need quite a bit of time (as I'll be away this weekend and thus I won't be able to do major edits) before making said changes.

  While I don't necessarily agree that a page about someone in Ginettas is warranted (as I felt it was too early in his career), if you say that it's mainspace worthy I'll trust your judgement and move it back when all is said and done. Road Atlanta Turn 5 (Talk) 14:29, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

@Paul Veitch thinking about it, I made a draft on Melvin Kalousdian a few months ago, who I just remembered is also racing in Ginettas, so if you're willing to help out with that, I'd be grateful. Road Atlanta Turn 5 (Talk) 14:33, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for the pointer, I'll take a look at the draft and see what sources I can find. I'll feed anything useful back via the talk page. Paul Veitch (talk) 16:16, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For your tireless work creating and improving motorsports articles. It does not go unseen. Thank you. JTtheOG (talk) 18:41, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

thank you so much! it feels pretty wild getting my first ever barnstar! Road Atlanta Turn 5 (Talk) 19:20, 19 May 2026 (UTC)