Talk:Hannah Spencer

Latest comment: 6 days ago by ~2026-35274-07 in topic Article reads like a puff piece
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Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on April 19, 2026.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Hannah Spencer qualified as a plasterer in the same month that she became the first Green Party MP to win a UK by-election?

Misinformation

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There is a case for omitting the details of misinformation rather than promulgating them permanently here. Jontel (talk) 07:12, 27 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

It should be more accurately described as disinformation, because a lot of it is demonstrably untrue and created to be spread, and yes, it should very much be kept off the page, unexcept in the form of secondary sources debunking it. Nick Cooper (talk) 14:55, 27 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

Horses?

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I've just removed: "She spent her early life living in Kensington on Eaton Green, where she owned 2 show horses which she rode weekly. When asked if she considered herself northern or southern, Spencer replied "it's not where you come from it's how much you have" which was added by ~2026-12916-92. I don't see this supported in the sources. Boredintheevening (talk) 10:29, 27 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

widely considered

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We can't say it's been widely considered a significant blow yet, it's been hours since the election we don't know how this actually effects labours goals this seems like opinion ~2026-12947-43 (talk) 10:53, 27 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

History merge please

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This page history of Draft:Hannah Spencer should be merged with Hannah Spencer. It is clear from Hannah Spencer: Revision history that text in the version of 03:51, 27 February 2026 (UTC) was adapted from Draft:Hannah Spencer.

The talk page histories should also be merged.-- Toddy1 (talk) 11:14, 27 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

Just for the record, the article I created was not based on the earlier draft, which I didn't know about. Obviously merging the texts would be good though. I'll try to work on that. Alarichall (talk) 16:03, 27 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
OK, I have merged all the material from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hannah_Spencer to Hannah Spencer. I don't have time at this moment to try to merge the talk pages, but can try later. Alarichall (talk) 16:22, 27 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. You can locate your hook here. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:12, 9 April 2026 (UTC)Reply

Hannah Spencer
Hannah Spencer
Created by Alarichall (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 372 past nominations.

Launchballer 13:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC).Reply

Said "last week" on 23 February, so changed to 'month'.--Launchballer 23:40, 27 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • Article is new enough, long enough, neutral and sourced. Hook is short enough and interesting. Image is good quality and has "Creative Commons CC0 1.0 Universal Public Domain Dedication" license. Two issues: (1) a second QPQ is needed, and (2) the article says she "she also completed training as a plasterer" in February -- but the hook says she "qualified as a plaster" -- unclear if completing training and qualifying are the same thing. If these things are cleared up, I will approve. Cbl62 (talk) 10:01, 1 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Avtar Singh Sohal is a double nom and counts as two QPQs. I swapped the source for one that says 'qualified'.--Launchballer 13:20, 1 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Claimed on Instagram that her birthday was 19 April, so request that this runs that day.--Launchballer 14:36, 1 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

Age 34 (born 1992)

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Hannah Spencer is 34 years old and was born in 1992, sources include sky news among others.

https://news.sky.com/story/green-party-wins-gorton-and-denton-by-election-13512774 Fenner0 (talk) 14:01, 27 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

That source does not mention 1992 as far as I can tell. {{GearsDatapack|talk|contribs}} 14:51, 27 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
There are plenty of sources for her being aged 34 in Jan or Feb this year, but we do not know whether her 34th birthday was earlier this year (ie born 1992) or was last year (born 1991). This is a common situation which is why there's a template to use to derive a year-of-birth range from an age at a particular date. PamD 17:10, 27 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

"She will seek the resignation of Starmer in the event of her winning the seat."

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The following is mentioned on the by-election article:

"Spencer stated that she would seek the resignation of Starmer in the event of her winning the seat."[1]

Now that she has won the seat, is this worth a mention here? ~2026-11754-67 (talk) 14:15, 27 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

References

  1. Diver, Tony; Martin, Daniel (2026-02-25). "Starmer must quit if we win by-election, say Greens". The Telegraph. Retrieved 2026-02-25.

Semi-protected edit request on 27 February 2026

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Hannah Spencer is a close relations to Winston Spencer Churchill and Diana Spencer Yack Wann (talk) 16:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want made. LizardJr8 (talk) 17:07, 27 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

Semi-protected edit request on 27 February 2026 (2)

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Hannah Spencer was not a Plumer.

https://www.irishtimes.com/world/uk/2026/02/27/who-is-hannah-spencer-plumber-school-dropout-and-now-britains-newest-mp/ Yack Wann (talk) 16:42, 27 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

 Not done. It's not clear what changes you want to make. Deacon Vorbis (carbon  videos) 17:09, 27 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

Source for date of birth

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I've started a discussion about the reliability of FreeBMD here : Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#FreeBMD. Pinging @Pol098 @DeFacto @GearsDatapack sorry if I missed anyone. Orange sticker (talk) 17:06, 27 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

@Moonraker: You originally added the source, so you may want to contribute to the discussion {{GearsDatapack|talk|contribs}} 17:26, 27 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
The reliability of FreeBMD doesn't seem relevant as (at least in this case) it has a clickable link to an image of the original page in the registry of births. In this case I was easily able to find Hannah Catherine Spencer in the Bolton records themselves (dead easy to find, Web search for bolton birth registry, then name and year search), no FreeBMD. I decided not to replace the FreeBMD link with a link to this reliable source as I couldn't be certain that a 1991 Hannah Catherine Spencer was the Hannah Kathrine Spencer who was elected. Changing spelling of a name is not uncommon and I expect the record is the right one (3 names almost match, year matches, I think place was Bolton), but cannot be 100% certain. If the record had said Kathrine, uncommon, I'd have accepted it. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 17:41, 27 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
That's what makes it unreliable, no one can verify that the record on their website is the correct one and also they have a disclaimer on the bottom of every page saying they can't guarantee accuracy. This is one reason we don't do original research citing only primary sources and WP:BLPPRIMARY specifically states not to use public records, which this is a repository of. Orange sticker (talk) 17:47, 27 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

Birth Record Discovered - possible birth month September 1991 (it would mean she's age 34.)

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Trafford Council member

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Is she still considered a Trafford Council member now that she's an MP? In the infobox it states that she's still an incumbent member however below the article under the External Links section, the banners of her political posts state that she's no longer an incumbent councillor with the current position vacant. Which is it? TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:20, 27 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

According to the Manchester Evening News, she will keep the council seat until the May local elections. The template at the bottom of the page has been corrected to say incumbent. TSventon (talk) 15:52, 28 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
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The link to ref 10 needs a username & password so therefore is useless ! Member of public  Preceding unsigned comment added by ~2026-12999-54 (talk) 21:17, 27 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

I've commented out the URL for the moment, as it's potentially confusing. The reference is to the print version of the Manchester Evening News dated 6th October 2015, it should be available in a library somewhere. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 22:05, 27 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

Birth Place

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What evidence is there that she was born in Bolton? Campaign literature gave her birthplace as somewhere in Gorton Awesome CE (talk) 23:13, 27 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

The reference used to support her being born in Bolton is this article from the Guardian , but that only says that she was (at the age of 22) from Bolton not that she was born there. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 01:57, 28 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

1991

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@PamD: @CybJubal: I noticed you both removed the source indicating that she was born in 1991, and I'm not sure why. She was 22 in July 2013 per the Guardian's Glastonbury article, which means she cannot have been born in 1992. I have therefore reinstated that source- if you have any reason for removing it, please explain? Chessrat (talk, contributions) 19:12, 28 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

I didn't remove any source, except to give a bbc ref that she was 34 at election instead of the ScorNational ref which confirmed 34 in January (a messy ref as the title has changed since it was archived). I don't think the Guardian age 22 ref was cited anywhere near the year of birth statement last time I edited. Yes, I agree that the two together confirm 1991. l wonder if a footnote pointing out that obvious and allowable bit of arithmetic would be helpful? PamD 23:38, 28 February 2026 (UTC)Reply
I think a footnote or at least an inline comment would be good, as well as some kind of notice or FAQ at the top of the talk page. There has been a lot of edit warring over her age and birth year, so it would be good to get some kind of consensus and leave it there. {{GearsDatapack|talk|contribs}} 07:49, 1 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Ah sorry, you're right.
The Glastonbury was removed by Klvar (talk · contribs) further down in the article in this edit leaving the mention of it in the age section as an orphaned reference, which was then removed by CybJubal (talk · contribs) shortly afterwards in this edit. All seems to be good now. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 14:01, 1 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

@Helper201: Per the two sources for the birth year- the BBC source confirms that she was 34 in February 2026 meaning a birthdate in or after February 1991, and the Guardian source confirms that she was 22 in July 2013 meaning a birthdate in or before July 1991. These are acceptable basic arithmetic calculations per WP:CALC. Chessrat (talk, contributions) 23:11, 28 February 2026 (UTC)Reply

DOB

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Spencer states in an Instagram post on 19 April 2016 (https://www.instagram.com/p/BEYJyB8kthe/) that it was her birthday that day. This fits within the range narrowed down by other sources. As she is currently 34, this would make her full DOB 19 April 1991.

WP:DOB states: "A verified social media account of an article subject saying about themselves something along the lines of "today is my 50th birthday" may fall under self-published sources for purposes of reporting a full date of birth. It may be usable if there is no reason to doubt it." Icantthinkofausernames (talk) 00:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

Looks good to me. PamD 06:28, 1 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
I have uploaded this change now as it seems to satisfy policy. Icantthinkofausernames (talk) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

Mother?

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The French wiki article says the her mother was a Green councillor, citing https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/19621421.green-party-announce-candidate-bromley-cross-by-election/. Liz Spencer, Green candidate and previous parliamentary candidate, age seems plausible. Interesting if true, but obviously would need a RS to connect the pair. PamD 07:01, 1 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

Spencer is not a particularly uncommon name. FreeBMD suggests that this is not HS's mother. Nick Cooper (talk) 12:59, 1 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

Semi-protected edit request on 1 March 2026

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UNDER "Early life and education":

Hannah is well on her way to completing her PPE tripos as many of her colleagues in the House of Commons hold, having gained her Plumbing (Bolton, 2018) and Plastering (Stoke on Trent, 2026) qualifications, although she is still to spark up her studies to become an Electrician." ~2026-59822-5 (talk) 08:05, 1 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want made. {{GearsDatapack|talk|contribs}} 09:34, 1 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
there are plenty of references to Hannah qualifying from Bolton College in plumbing. She volunteered she completed her plastering qualifications 2 weeks prior to the by-election date in her acceptance speech. To obtain this (and there are plenty of references supporting) she attended a college in Stoke on Trent.
Please reconsider. ~2026-59822-5 (talk) 11:34, 1 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Wikipedia is not a Monty Python sketch. Nick Cooper (talk) 12:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
I'm not saying that there aren't sources stating this information, but even if there are, you still need to provide the sources where you got this information, so they can be cited, as all content on Wikipedia must be verifiable. {{GearsDatapack|talk|contribs}} 12:50, 1 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

GA review

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Hannah Spencer/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: GearsDatapacks (talk · contribs) 21:29, 8 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

Reviewer: JuniperChill (talk · contribs) 01:18, 14 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

Hi GearsDatapack, I'll go ahead and review this. Expect comments within a few days/a week. JuniperChill (talk) 01:18, 14 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

Just as an update, the reason why I waited six days was to ensure that the article wasn't edited several times a day, which was getting to the point it even had to be protected from editing. The page was last edited on 17 March at 2336 (exactly 72 hours ago). I should do a proper review from tomorrow or Sunday. JuniperChill (talk) 23:36, 20 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
And the article was edited an hour after the above comment. And the GA nominator ranks 4th in authorship with 7.8% so its considered to be a significant contributor even though GD didn't originally create the article. JuniperChill (talk) 17:20, 21 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
@JuniperChill Just so you know, I'm on holiday until next weekend so it might take me a bit longer to respond to feedback here. I'll do my best though. {{GearsDatapacks|talk|contribs}} 15:03, 30 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
is that until 4/5 April or 11/12 April? Didn't realise its already the easter season JuniperChill (talk) 15:56, 30 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
I'm away until the 11th, but I should be able to check and do stuff once a day during that time. {{GearsDatapacks|talk|contribs}} 18:45, 30 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
Have a nice holiday! Maybe because of the fact that its half term, and that Friday, Sunday and Monday are bank holidays. Can't believe its already the end of March! I'll start doing the process of checking some of the sources. I'd better take a pause from editing (at least for a couple days) after reviewing this! JuniperChill (talk) 23:13, 31 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

Closing comment: thank you for your time improving a Green MP as your first GA! This was one of the best GAs I've reviewed yet! You can find GAs I've reviewed in my user page. I'm not really into politics as its not really a topic I edit in. Much of my edits are to transport infrastructure, video games and women. I hope you have a nice holiday in Morocco, a country I haven't gone to yet! I'll go ahead and promote this article to GA status while you're there and I'll take a short pause from editing cause of the half term! JuniperChill (talk) 11:32, 1 April 2026 (UTC)Reply

Prose review (1)

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Lead

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  • I think the lead should be expanded a little, perhaps by a couple of sentences. For instance, you could expand it saying that she was born in Greater Manchester and that she's been a plumber since c. 2008. (for reference, you can take a look at Sophie Scamps as that article is a little longer than this one).

Early life/education

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  • In England, isn't it normal for students to leave school after doing their GCSEs in year 11, where they should turn 16 by the end of the summer holidays?ref If so, I don't see a need to mention that 'she left school at 16'.
    • It is legal to leave school at 16, but most stay on until 18 to do A-levels (and then most go to university after that). While it's not unheard of, it is unusual and I would say it warrants a mention here, especially because most British MPs have a much higher traditional education, whereas she went into work early. {{GearsDatapacks|talk|contribs}} 22:18, 24 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
      • In England, its currently a legal requirement to stay in higher education until 18 (as the link I provided suggest) which I think wasn't the case in 2007. But anyway its fine by me as I didn't think it was out of the ordinary. JuniperChill (talk) 14:37, 27 March 2026 (UTC)Reply
  • In February 2026, she also qualified as a plasterer it doesn't say anything earlier in the early life/education section about Feb 2026, so i think 'also' should be removed?
    my bad, I didn't know that the 'also' was about the profession, not the time period. JuniperChill (talk) 15:02, 27 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

Political career

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parliamentary career

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Election

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personal life

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  • change As of 2024, Spencer lived in Trafford. She had previously lived in Levenshulme to As of 2024, Spencer lived in Trafford, Greater Manchester. She had previously lived in Levenshulme (also in Greater Manchester) as I assume readers would expect these two places to be in random parts of England (for me, I expected Levenshulme to be somewhere in the north of England outside the Manchester/Liverpool region)
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Spotchecks

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I'll be checking 11/62 (17.7%) sources. Source numbers are checked according to revision 31/03/2026 1702. JuniperChill (talk) 23:26, 31 March 2026 (UTC)Reply

Other criteria (3-6)

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Sentence removal

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@GOLDIEM J can you explain why you removed a sentence from the article? You say that it is "unnecessary and inaccurate", but it's backed up by the cited sources, so I can't see where the inaccuracy is there. {{GearsDatapacks|talk|contribs}} 16:34, 4 May 2026 (UTC)Reply

@GearsDatapacks: It's misleading because it simply said 16-year-olds in Wales and Scotland are able to vote in "Parliamentary elections" implying elections to the Westminster Parliament, which isn't true. In the case that it simply meant devolved legislative elections (in which case it is true,) then it's not strictly necessary for context on UK-wide general elections. GOLDIEM J (talk) 17:54, 4 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
I was thinking its relevant because she proposed to lower the voting age to 16 and that those living in Scotland/Wales could already vote for their parliamentary elections (ie not Westminster) at 16. Note that I have reviewed this for GA and GearsDatapacks is the GA nominator. JuniperChill (talk) 20:32, 4 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, just seems like I got the wording a little wrong based on the sources. Need to figure out how to phrase it correctly. {{GearsDatapacks|talk|contribs}} 20:42, 4 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Sorry, I meant to say the context isn't necessary regarding Hannah Spencer's career, as it's about Green Party policy rather than her voting record. GOLDIEM J (talk) 02:59, 5 May 2026 (UTC)Reply

Article reads like a puff piece

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This article reads like a puff piece and seems to lack balance. It is also too long and detailed for an article about a minor backbench MP who has only been in Parliament for a few months. It gives the impression of having been written by somebody close to the subject. ~2026-35274-07 (talk) 12:17, 16 June 2026 (UTC)Reply