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Sources for X-Wing: Apocalypse and Grand Slam Bridge III

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This is as I've been clearing my sandbox/backlog. But does anyone see any more sources for these two games? Mentioned here (X-Wing: Apocalypse) and here (Grand Slam Bridge III).

I'm not sure what X-Wing: Apocalypse is really. (mentioned once on that PC Data chart). Grand Slam Bridge III appeared on PC Data charts in April 2000 but that's it. Not other info that I can see online. The original Grand Slam Bridge is what Tim Cain worked on. Timur9008 (talk) 12:24, 18 May 2026 (UTC)Reply

Is X-Wing: Apocalypse perhaps related to X-COM: Apocalypse? They have the same publisher and year of release, so maybe it's just a typo. The publisher's website only lists X-COM. Kodning 🌸 (talk) 01:08, 19 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
I agree, that just being some sort of freudian slip for X-COM seems pretty reasonable/likely. ScalarFactor (talk) 02:15, 19 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Regarding Grand Slam Bridge III: a modestly deep search turned up nothing. I looked across web results, magazines like Computer Gaming World and PC Gamer, and archived developer/publisher websites. If this game actually exists, it's exceedingly rare. or maybe I'm just blind and missed it... Kodning 🌸 (talk) 02:16, 19 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Yeah I've yet to find anything else. Timur9008 (talk) 22:30, 27 May 2026 (UTC)Reply

ESRB ratings

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An article's claim that a game received an AO rating from the ESRB has been called into question. The publisher's website displays the AO rating, but the game does not have a listing on the ESRB website. This raises two questions:

  • What is the likelihood of a game which was rated by the ESRB not being listed on their website? I thought that absolutely everything they rated went up there.
  • Is it reasonable to doubt the publisher's own claim of an AO rating? I can't think of any meaningful benefit to putting an AO rating on a listing for a game that didn't receive one, and doing so opens the publisher up to a potential lawsuit from the ESRB.

Martin IIIa (talk) 14:33, 19 May 2026 (UTC)Reply

Isn't ESRB typically WP:GAMECRUFT? If a game's esrb isn't mentioned by independant reliable sources then it almost certainly shouldn't be in the article. Whipmywillows (talk) 18:09, 19 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Yes, this is generally correct. I can't tell what game we're talking about, so I can't weight in on if this is a likely exception or not. Sergecross73 msg me 18:12, 19 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Right, but the article in question is List of AO-rated video games, so unless the article as a whole is to be deleted, ESRB ratings are significant in this context. Martin IIIa (talk) 18:12, 19 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
If we can't verify it to a secondary source, I would be safe and leave it out. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 06:43, 20 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Well, in this particular case, the (supposed) AO rating itself makes it rare and nontrivial. But in particular, which game? MilkyDefer 14:57, 21 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Eden* Plus+Mosaic. Martin IIIa (talk) 02:35, 22 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Looking at the Visual Novel Database, it looks like +Mosaic was a patch file that added adult scenes, but the base game did not include them. Is it possible the developer just listed the patch as AO, but the game itself isn't? 13akoors (talk) 12:17, 23 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
In case you don't know how eroges on Steam work: publishers obtain licenses from their original developers to localize and sell on Steam to reach a worldwide audience. In order to pass the Steam review they have to cut out the hentai parts. In the early days the cut content can be seperately released as a Steam game DLC attached to the original game. Later this becomes impossible, and the publishers offer restoration patches off-Steam (usually on their official websites). More recently the base game without hentai content becomes hard to get approval from Steam so the publishers begin to set up their own storefronts. Without compliance with Steam's policies they can offer the whole game without the split of content, which I guess is the case of this particular MangaGamer's Eden* version. Financial censorship is another topic that I would not wish to elaborate here. MilkyDefer 17:06, 23 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
To clarify, yes, ESRB, PEGI, etc. are generally not things we discuss just because the rating is there. However, there are notable cases where the rating has been the subject of discussion (GTA IV and Hot Coffee, Balatro, etc.) and that's fine to discuss those with sources.
I would also agree ratings that either by law or practice strictly limit the game's distribution (AO for ESRB, several Aussia categories) are appropriate for a list, as long as its discussed why that rating triggers blocks on sale. Masem (t) 02:54, 22 May 2026 (UTC)Reply

Discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Fate/Grand Order characters (2nd nomination)

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 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Fate/Grand Order characters (2nd nomination), which is within the scope of this WikiProject. Kodning 🌸 (talk) 05:11, 25 May 2026 (UTC)Reply

New Articles (May 18 to May 24)

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 A listing of all articles newly added to the Video Games Wikiproject (regardless of creation date). Generated by v3.22 of the RecentVGArticles script and posted by PresN. Bug reports and feature requests are appreciated. --PresN 12:43, 25 May 2026 (UTC)Reply

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I actually recreated Atriarch (like I did many other pages) Timur9008 (talk) 12:46, 25 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
BOZ asked the article history to be restored. Timur9008 (talk) 12:52, 25 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Huh, I've never seen a "recreated" tag like that. Ok, easy fix to the script, and swapped in your name. --PresN 12:55, 25 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Yeah it was mentioned here Timur9008 (talk) 12:59, 25 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Computer Golf!, Showdown in 2100 A.D., and Baseball! should be listed. ~2026-31045-38 (talk) 18:06, 25 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Found the bug that removed them and added them to the list, thanks! (Computer Golf! would have been May 16)--PresN 17:25, 26 May 2026 (UTC)Reply

June 2026 GAN Backlog Drive

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Capcom Sales

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Capcom's official list of platinum sales, last updated 31 March 2026 , lists 17 million sales for Resident Evil 5 (calculated between the three different versions) and 18.3 million sales for Resident Evil 2 (in third position on the page). This Capcom PDF financial report , apparently released in May 2026, has recently been added to the RE5 article. On page 7, it states Resident Evil 2 has 1,832 lifetime unit sales, and clarifies this is measured in 10 thousand units. It states Resident Evil 5 has 1,901 lifetime unit sales. This has been used to update the article to 19.01 million sales for Resident Evil 5: .

I originally came here asking which sources was right, but now I see at least one RS source has also reported this: . So my question now is, does anyone know how this discrepancy exists? I.e. Where did Capcom pull literally 2 millions more sales of a 17-year-old game from in one month? Does the list of platinum sales, for example, not calculate certain sales? Damien Linnane (talk) 00:26, 26 May 2026 (UTC)Reply

@Damien Linnane just my personal take on this but from what I can figure out is that the discrepancy on the “Platinum Sales” list on their investor site is that, while it’s useful information, it has historically been separated out by SKU and only records those SKUs that sold more than 1m units, which meant RE5 (which has been released and re-released across a silly number of platforms as various SKUs) is split across many different listings and some of those didn’t sell over a million units so aren’t listed.
So it’s not that they magicked 2m units out of thin air, it’s that the more recent May document looks to properly compare “like for like” all sales of each title regardless of platform, SKU etc in a way RE5 (and probably others) wasn’t before. Rambling Rambler (talk) 01:22, 26 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Makes sense. Thanks. Damien Linnane (talk) 02:29, 26 May 2026 (UTC)Reply

Requested move at Talk:Kingdom Hearts X#Rename to the previous title

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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Kingdom Hearts X#Rename to the previous title that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 06:07, 26 May 2026 (UTC)Reply

Any reliable sources for Fate/Extra CCC?

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Right now it is a redirect. I don't see anything on MobyGames or Metacritic. Ja wiki has ja:Fate/EXTRA CCC with quite a few refs, but no reception section. If we can find enough sources to estabilish notability, I'll try to write something up. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 08:15, 26 May 2026 (UTC)Reply

Siliconera has written a couple of (short) articles, which you've probably already seen: (among others).
Apparently, there's also coverage of CCC in TYPE-MOON Ace vol. 8, including interviews. I don't have a copy of the magazine to verify, though, and it's primary sourcing.
The closest I've seen to reception is this page. Make of it what you will... Beyond the sources in ja:Fate/EXTRA CCC, I haven't seen much else covering CCC. Kodning 🌸 (talk) 06:15, 27 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Famitsu's cross-review of it is available on their site: https://www.famitsu.com/game/title/24587/reviews --AlexandraIDV 08:17, 27 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, I remember reading about it back in the day after enjoying the first Fate/Extra, but I only really remember the short Siliconera blurb-type stuff Alexandra already linked above. The PSP was pretty much wrapping up by this point, and particularly in English-language regions.
The only additional source I found was that Rice Digital review, which is apparently situational as long as they're not reporting on things they have ties to, which I don't think they do to this game. Not a real strong review though either.
That said, it seems like there's been an increase in interest/article creations with Fate stuff lately, so maybe one of those editors will provide something better Sergecross73 msg me 12:24, 27 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! From what I know, the game was only available in Japanese, so if there are sources, they will be Japanese. Famitsu is a RS, I think. Do we have any Japanese speakers who could do a search for sources in Japanese? (These days I guess I can also ask AI, but they still inferior to people experts, who can find stuff in IA or such...). Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:35, 27 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, it got an unofficial fan translation, but it happened so far after the fact (2023) that I think this Time Extension article is really the only RS that reported on it. Sergecross73 msg me 18:20, 27 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Alexandra IDV @Kodning @Sergecross73 Thank you all for the sources, I was able to write a decent article, I hope (feel free to take a look). Is there anything that suggests notability for Fate/Extella Link? That one doesn't even have a ja wiki stand-alone article, suprisingly enough. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:50, 4 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
Wow, the CCC article came together nicely. A cursory search of Link turned up good results, given it's a more recent game:
English:
Japanese:
Metacritic: Kodning 🌸 (talk) 06:53, 4 June 2026 (UTC)Reply

Need help tracking down a newspaper source

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So among other things, I've been working on a series of articles on the Master Strategy series. These are three video game/board game hybrids released for the Odyssey 2, first one was Quest for the Rings. The website The Odyssey² Homepage (which is a great resource but unfortunately WP:RSSELF) has a newspaper article posted that I'd love to cite here. Problem is the websites maintainer doesn't actually know where the original article came from, best they've got is that it was an Illinois newspaper dated to November 26, 1981 (with some skepticism. The site tends to be pretty bad on dates). Newspaper archives kinda terrify me so I was wondering if anyone could give me a hand tracking down the original. Whipmywillows (talk) 08:21, 26 May 2026 (UTC)Reply

I'm not seeing anything on Newspapers.com. (the exact text) There is this though. Timur9008 (talk) 08:41, 26 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
It's really funny they can't seem to tell the difference between the Odyssey 1 and the Odyssey 2. There's some useful stuff in there though. Thanks! Whipmywillows (talk) 18:09, 26 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Highland Park News, 19 November 1981, p. 112B. . Regards, IceWelder [✉] 19:47, 26 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
You're a magician. Thank you so much. I'll have to try and get this back to the website's maintainer at some point once the project is a little more complete. Whipmywillows (talk) 20:04, 26 May 2026 (UTC)Reply

Doomguy and B.J. as mass murderers

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See Doomguy's and B.J. Blazkowicz's articles, which are filed under Category:Fictional mass murderers. The question here is whether the Doom and Wolfenstein franchises, based on the article text and sources, clearly establish the characters—however gratuitous their deadly actions may be—as mass murderers (or terrorists for that matter). For me, it's not clear that they do, but I am interested in seeing other users pointing to these guys' darker side (especially the reboots, with which I am admittedly far less familiar). Otherwise, I will just go remove the categories for lack of verification. Big Blue Gnu 22:23, 27 May 2026 (UTC)Reply

Sometimes people just add categories to articles without reasoning or because the subject ever so narrowly fits a category, even though it isn't a defining trait. Putting aside the fact that neither article verifies the mass murderer part exactly, and just looking at it from strictly a franchise perspective: Doomguy specifically kills demons for the betterment of humanity, and demons are not people. B.J. Blazkowicz is somewhat more reasonable under the logic that the characters he kills are living people (or robots) and I think he is considered a terrorist in Wolfenstein lore, but if he's a "mass murderer" then so is practically any character in a military or first-person shooter game. In comparison, a first-person shooter character I would actually call a "mass murderer" for the purposes of the category, if he had an article, would be Vladimir Makarov from Call of Duty. λ NegativeMP1 22:36, 27 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Mario is a mass murderer for killing all those goombas and stomping all those turts. Have we considered this. Whipmywillows (talk) 22:45, 27 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Was unironically part of my comment originally but I removed it because I thought it'd make the comment seem less serious LMAO. λ NegativeMP1 23:08, 27 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
(edit conflict) Now that you said it, I can see myself having done something similar in my early years on this site: applying categories that may be the slightest bit relevant, but are neither verified by sources nor defining qualities of the subject. I would expect this sort of editing especially on articles relating to popular culture, along with trivia in general. It reminds me of when I once thought that every video game article needed at least one screenshot, and that was before I understood the meaning of "the free encyclopedia".
As for B.J. being considered a terrorist by the reboots, fair enough. The takeaway is that, for as long as I can remember the mass murderer category appearing at the bottom of these two pages, that characterization always seemed contentious. The least that can be done is to check whether the games—the primary sources—agree with such descriptions, which they do not seem to do here. I will go remove that category from both articles. Big Blue Gnu 00:28, 28 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Just be bold and remove it if you disagree. Lots of people add frivolous categories. You can remove just about anything if it fails WP:DEFINING. Sergecross73 msg me 00:07, 28 May 2026 (UTC)Reply

UFO 50 list

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Hi everyone,

The quirky game that UFO 50 is, it consists of 50 games. Some small, some large. And as such, the article has become too unwieldy. I've never had an issue with removing unsourced material, but I can't tell what's worth keeping and what should go. Or just a List of games in UFO 50? soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 15:03, 29 May 2026 (UTC)Reply

Honestly, it feels like the best thing to do would be to make a list table with !game, !director, and a short paragraph explaining the gameplay of each entry. Cukie Gherkin (talk) 19:14, 29 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
The article has a bunch of trivia that can be removed under "recurring themes", that alone should shorten it significantly. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:18, 31 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Delete every uncited section and see what people are actually writing about. We don't need our original research here, that's what fanwikis are for. If it turns out we are able to write a cited paragraph or two about every individual game, we can create a separate list for it when we get close to that. For now it's just easy cleanup. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:09, 31 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, it's an interesting situation. We wouldn't write about each individual mini-game in a Mario Party game, but at the same time, unlike MP, there doesn't seem to be much of a core experience tying it all together to focus on either. And unlike most video game compilations, you can't just link to respective games contained in the collection either, because, well, they largely don't exist.
I guess it comes down to sourcing. If you have the (third party reliable) sources to describe every game, go for it. If not, then just choose a few example games that can be sourced and frame it as examples rather than a comprehensive summary of everything. (This approach, while more encyclopedic if that's all sourcing can do, will probably require infinite maintenance from newbies though, who will find it compulsory to add everything I'm sure.) Sergecross73 msg me 15:01, 31 May 2026 (UTC)Reply
We always have to push back against users trying to insert more trivial information, such as listing minor characters or level structures. It's also not unlike any anthology or short story collection, and as a project we do have a lot of experience writing about those. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 07:05, 1 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
Of course. I'm not saying it should dictate what we do, I'm just saying be prepared for constant pushback. Not listing out every game would probably be seen as counter-intuitive to anyone not moderately experienced in Wikipedia policy. Sergecross73 msg me 15:12, 1 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
I would say that it shouldn't be an issue to find third-party sources, as I've seen plenty of ranking lists that verify facts about every entry of UFO 50. Cukie Gherkin (talk) 07:47, 1 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, I hadn't heard of it until recently, but it appears that its gotten a lot of attention, so I believe its possible. Probably worth attempting at least. I don't think its worth splitting into its own article though. Considering how much of the article is about listing out the games, I don't think there would be enough left to sustain a general article. (Also, that "recurring themes" section probably needs heavy cutting/reworking too.) Sergecross73 msg me 15:12, 1 June 2026 (UTC)Reply

New Articles (May 25 to May 31)

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 A listing of all articles newly added to the Video Games Wikiproject (regardless of creation date). Generated by v3.23 of the RecentVGArticles script and posted by PresN. Bug reports and feature requests are appreciated. --PresN 16:51, 1 June 2026 (UTC)Reply

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Changlog:

  • Fixed a bug where page "recreations" (article history restored for a deleted article) were not being treated the same as page "un-redirections"
  • Fixed a bug where page un-redirections/recreations were being ignored if the page was then moved (similar issue to the create + move problem from a couple weeks ago)

--PresN 16:51, 1 June 2026 (UTC)Reply

I was very, very proud of myself for making Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 4 and Hatsune Miku - The Planet of Wonder and Fragments of Wishes back to back. Two completely different tones lol. λ NegativeMP1 20:14, 1 June 2026 (UTC)Reply

Ex illis

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This has been tagged for notability concerns for 13 years. Please add reliable sources, or consider going to WP:AfD for merger or deletion. Bearian (talk) 19:23, 3 June 2026 (UTC)Reply

Echoing the remarks from the other thread, could you not have dealt with it yourself? toby in solidarity 19:26, 3 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
@Bearian: Not only is this something you can do yourself, this page arguably doesn't even fall under this WikiProject. It looks like this more falls under board game / miniatures. Respectfully, if you don't care to do this yourself, why do you think anyone here should either. 13akoors (talk) 22:27, 3 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
FWIW, I've sourced about 250 articles in the past three months, and I don't know much about games to be able to evaluate what's a reliable source or not. That's why I asked for help. Bearian (talk) 22:44, 3 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
A quick google search is often sufficient for WP:BEFORE. You don't need to be familiar with the field-specific literature in order to bring an article to AfD. Other people can try to dig up specialist sources there if they exist :) ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:46, 4 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
I've done a quick search with my sources (see User:Vacant0/Sources#Board_games) and nothing popped out. Like, literally nothing. I think it's safe to say that it can be AfD'ed. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 10:29, 4 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
In the interest of WP:BEBOLD I have AfD'd it, but I have to echo the concerns that A) this does NOT belong in WikiProject Video Games, so posting things like this here is disruptive, and B) making others do AfDs can be seen as discourteous and poor Wikiquette as you are basically handing off responsibility to them if the AfD fails. It is not a good look, and you should be doing the AfD yourself or leaving well enough alone if you aren't sure. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 01:36, 5 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
Minor technical note that you should've also posted to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Board and table games... Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 23:55, 5 June 2026 (UTC)Reply

Spoilers in article leads

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Is it appropriate to directly disclose a significant twist in the lead of a narrative game largely about that twist?

I'd like to resolve a difference of opinion with @~2026-16455-78 on the article And Roger in which we've made conflicting edits (see ) on whether to directly identify the game as one about dementia. In the end, the edit conflicts are more focused now on whether to mention this in the lead or not; the IP user has currently concealed it using a wikilink. I have mentioned the reveal of the character having dementia there as I think it's the defining narrative element and theme of the game and WP:SPOILER suggests not trying to conceal a plot element for a prospective player's benefit. The IP user, if I can paraphrase this colourful edit, considers this unnecessary disclosure and a highly compromising thing to reveal for a one-hour mystery game. Appreciate any thoughts on this. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 23:06, 5 June 2026 (UTC)Reply

I mean WP:SPOILER seems pretty clear to me. If that's what's notable about the game, that's what's notable about the game. It's our job to document encyclopedic information, not sell video games. I'd say I'd probably try to bury it deep enough into the lead so that it doesn't show up in page previews but that's about it. As a reference, Doki Doki Literature Club has a pretty infamous spoiler that is explicitedly in the lead but tucked at the bottom of the first paragraph. Whipmywillows (talk) 23:32, 5 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
Seems like a good best practice. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 23:54, 5 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
Thanks all that have participated. Sounds like the best way forward is to revert, but also be mindful of framing and maybe add a gameplay sentence to back-load the summary of the narrative, and not start with it. Does that sound good? ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 02:02, 6 June 2026 (UTC)Reply
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