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Requests for project input

Please add requests for MILHIST participation to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Requests for project input. This includes requests for comment, requested moves, articles for deletion, and more.

Requested move at Talk:Battle of Orewin Bridge#Requested move 1 June 2026

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Battle of Orewin Bridge#Requested move 1 June 2026 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 16:12, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Awards and decorations of the Bangladesh Armed Forces#Requested move 5 June 2026

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Awards and decorations of the Bangladesh Armed Forces#Requested move 5 June 2026 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 13:24, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Mohammad Qassim Jangulbagh

The article Mohammad Qassim Jangulbagh has been proposed for deletion because it appears to have no references. Under Wikipedia policy, this biography of a living person will be deleted after seven days unless it has at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article. The nominator also raised the following concern:

Only source is dead.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the {{prod blp/dated}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within seven days, the article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undeleted when you are ready to add one. Bearian (talk) 22:26, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

Request for comment at Talk:Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh#RfC: Should "far-right" be added to the political position of the RSS?

There is an RfC at Talk:Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh#RfC: Should "far-right" be added to the political position of the RSS? that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — EarthDude (Talk) 05:49, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Guy Richards Champlin

The article Guy Richards Champlin has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Poorly sourced article about a privateer. Tagged for refimprove and notability concerns for 10 years. A Google search found zero Book sources. Fails the relevant notability guidelines. Lacks significant coverage.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion based on established criteria.

If the proposed deletion has already been carried out, you may request undeletion of the article at any time. Bearian (talk) 03:34, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

"Prince of Wales's 2nd Brigade, Eastern Division, Royal Artillery" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Prince of Wales's 2nd Brigade, Eastern Division, Royal Artillery has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2026 June 16 § Prince of Wales's 2nd Brigade, Eastern Division, Royal Artillery until a consensus is reached.

Shenanigans at CAR 816

...which is a gun most people never heard of, and we have an editor who, in my opinion, is making highly promotional and very, very poorly verified edits in that article. See this, for instance, their latest revert. The editor, User:A.C.O.M.S-2023, claims not to have a COI. What references are found in the sections they keep putting back are company sources and websites, definitely not proper publications, and the rest of what they are adding is basically the product catalog. I'm tired of reverting them, but that content, IMO, cannot stand. I'd appreciate some eyes. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 15:09, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

I've reverted the latest edit. WP:ONUS is clear here, particularly when it involves potentially promotional content. Hope you're well, Drmies. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 15:43, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

I can take a look, but you may consider notifying the Firearms WP, the article is likely more relevant to them than it is us given the relatively few users of it.⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 15:44, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Ohhhhh it's that guy. IDK about the COI, but their lack of understanding of WP:ONUS has been a running problem for many months now. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 15:52, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

4th Armored Division - Early Days

Those familiar with the extraordinary performance of the armored divisions in WW2 know that the 4th Armored Division was instrumental in the final push through western Europe into Germany in the final months of the war. By the end of 1944 its commander, John Shirley Wood, had been somewhat controversially replaced by Hugh J Gaffey under the orders of George S. Patton.

But prior to General Wood's assuming command of the 4th in May 1942 lies another interesting story. He assumed command of the division from retiring Major General Henry W Baird who organized and trained it out of Pine Camp from its inception in April 1941. Since October 1940, General Baird, at that time nearing the end of a 36-year career with the U.S. Cavalry, was in command of the 1st Armored Brigade of the 1st Armored Division under Bruce Magruder. But in the spring of 1941, his rank was advanced from Brigadier to Major General and he became the first commander of the 4th Armored Division. During General Baird's time with the division, Pine Camp (now a part of Fort Drum) underwent a massive expansion. Its pool of trainees grew to nearly 10,000. He oversaw the development of the facility and designed the training program for the new recruits. General Wood deserves the credit for implementing the newer generation of the Division's training in 1942 and 1943, but his work was conducted on the foundation laid by General Baird, who had brought 18 years of experience in training and organizational development into establishing the 4th.

General Wood and General Gaffey, have Wikipedia pages, but General Baird does not. His story of getting the 4th Armored Division underway, along with his experiences in the late 1930s working with Daniel Van Voorhis and Adna R. Chaffee Jr. in completing the expansion of the 7th Cavalry Brigade into the early versions of the 1st and 2nd Armored Divisions help answer the question of how the mounted cavalry of the 19th and early 20th century completed its transformation into a mechanized combat force.

As General Baird's grandson, and his namesake, I have drafted a Wikipedia page for him and would appreciate anyone's support in getting it published.

Henry Baird, Seattle

Did a Battle of Shanhaiguan Happen During the Boxer Rebellion?

I recently came across Battle of Shanhaiguan (1900), and I can not seem to find any evidence of a proper battle. Right now, the article is a compilation of events that happened near Shanhaiguan (now Shanhai Pass). These events are:

• The area is occupied by the British
• Bandits attack British troops, months before the Qing Dynesty joins the Rebellion
• A Chinese garrison withdraws
• A segment of the Great Wall of China is damaged in a naval bombardment
• Boxers attack a railroad

The Russian-language article states that the garrison surrendered and withdrew without a fight with smaller resistance throughout the region (Although I am unable to verify the one provided source). Is anyone more knowledgeable about the war able to clarify my confusion before I bring this to AfD? GGOTCC 17:48, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

The Boxer Rebellion and the Great Game in China only states Russia seized towns in Manchuria, and the British took a city just south of the Great Wall, Shanhaiguan, to prevent Russian penetration of that line, which leads me to think this was the British army maneuvering rather than any engagement. GGOTCC 21:06, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

I had a quick look and couldn't find anything. I would suggest merging a summary to Shanhai Pass as I don't think is is sufficient information for a standalone "Shanhai Pass during the Boxer Rebellion" article - Dumelow (talk) 12:02, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

The entire "Honghuzi attacks" section seems to be a quote from an (overdramatised?) American journalist writing about a small skirmish, so not sure how much we'd actually want to merge there.

Citation 6 on the occupation seems to be to https://doi.org/10.1017/S0026749X06002058 which is very brief:

A series of actions across the north China plain, including the punitive expedition to the provincial capital Baoding in Zhili Province in October, gave substance to these words. Unilateral action increased tensions. In the last week of September, Russia seized Niuzhuang, Anshan, and Liaoyang in Manchuria, while the British took Shanhaiguan to forestall Russian penetration south of the Great Wall. But, the Russians did occupy the railroad from Shanhaiguan to Tianjin and claimed a concession area that included the railroad station.[33] German naval vessels sailed up the Yangtze River into an area that the British regarded as their sphere of influence. Japanese and French forces too remained ready to act if it did come to a general land grab.

Their citation is to Stanley Wright, Hart and the Chinese Customs (1950) pp 739–40. Andrew Gray (talk) 22:06, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

Results infobox section for WW2 convoy articles

Regarding WW2 convoy articles, I think the lack of a conventional battle and the fact that no convoys were forced to turn fully back, I don't think it makes sense to include a results section listing "German victory" or "Allied victory". I think it would instead be better to simply list the amount of ships that reached their destination or to simply not include a results or outcome section in the infobox. I have already made the latter change at Convoy SC 118 after a short discussion at that article's talk page. I'd appreciate the input of this wikiproject at maybe making this universal for all (or most) convoy articles. Clone commando sev (talk) 04:40, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

Unless it's obviously a victory for one side or there's a useful summary section to link to (eg "See Aftermath") I'd lean towards omitting the parameter for this sort of article - Dumelow (talk) 11:43, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

Agreed, I think these could happily have the results section omitted in virtually every case. There's no obligation on us to fill out every section of the infobox. Andrew Gray (talk) 19:42, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

There are exceptions (Convoy PQ 17, the Beta Convoy, Operation Vigorous) but most convoy operations were attritional so I agree too, no need to fill in the criterion unless the convoy was exceptional. Regards Keith-264 (talk) 19:58, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

Alastair Watson (British Army officer)

I am confused by why this article exists, because the subject is clearly not notable, except as a potential witness to criminal activity. I don't want to propose deletion, because it might be controversial, but I am asking for help as to what should be done. Thank you for your assistance. Bearian (talk) 22:37, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

There does seem to be wider coverage of him around his work with Andrew and in private business that might meet WP:GNG. I agree that his military service does not render him notable on that basis alone. The unsourced info can probably just be removed per WP:BLP - Dumelow (talk) 11:53, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

A very standard 16-year military career, doesn't assist in notability. WP Royalty and Nobility might be a better place to look for assistance, because that's the only subject that could provide notability for Watson. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 14:47, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

"Case Black" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Case Black has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2026 June 16 § Case Black until a consensus is reached. Thryduulf (talk) 16:46, 16 June 2026 (UTC)