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Requested move at Talk:Italian mafia operations in Atlantic City#Requested move 4 June 2024

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Requested move at Talk:Sexual and gender-based violence in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel#Requested move 4 June 2024

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Hard-coded BLP violation in the content assessment

Can the field for Serial, mass, and spree killers on the content assessment be recoded to something else to avoid a BLP violation. For some individuals or cases in which there was a mass killing, the coding is "serial killer=yes". This constitutes a BLP violation for those who are not serial killers, but are included in the list for other reasons. It may seem a minor point, but there is a difference between a serial killer and - for example - someone who causes mass death through other means and with other motives. To avoid such a blatant BLP violation, the coding on this field should be changed. - SchroCat (talk) 15:06, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

@SchroCat Are you complaining about the existence of the task force as it applies to people or are you complaining about the actual parameter name? I don't think "serial killer task force" is much better. PARAKANYAA (talk) 15:15, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

The actual coding "serial killer=yes". Even as a supposedly "hidden" code, it still constitutes a BLP violation Renaming it as "Serial, mass, spree" would solve the problem, as would other possibilities. - SchroCat (talk) 15:24, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

what about Akanksha Dubey(Bhojpuri actress) murder case? What is the latest develpoment?Can anyone provide any info?

Akanksha Dubey suicide case: Family alleges foul play, lawyer says she was murdered Bhojpuri actress Akanksha Dubey passed away on March 26, 2023. While it is reported that she died by suicide, her family has alleged foul play. Bhojpuri actress Akanksha Dubey is no more. The actress passed away on March 26, 2023. She was found hanging in a hotel room on the said date. Her postmortem report claims that while the actress was not in an inebriated state, 20 ml of an unknown liquid had been found inside her stomach. She also had injury marks on her wrist and the mucous membrane of her stomach was choked. The late actress' mother, Madhu Dubey, has held two people responsible for her daughter's demise. She has accused Samar Singh and his brother Sanjay Singh of Akanksha's murder. Now, the late actress' family has alleged foul play. And Akanksha's lawyer, Shashank Shekhar Tripathi, too, has claimed that the actress was murdered. AKANKSHA DUBEY'S LAWYER MAKES SHOCKING ALLEGATIONS According to PTI, Akanksha Dubey's lawyer, Shashank Shekhar Tripathi, has written a letter to UP Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath and has demanded a CBI probe into this matter. According to the late actress' lawyer, Akanksha was murdered. He also claimed that despite Akanksha's mother's insistence that cremation should happen after the postmortem report, she was forcibly cremated.

Akanksha Dubey suicide case: Police on lookout for man who spent 17 mins in her room before her demise AKANKSHA DUBEY NO MORE Akanksha Dubey was reportedly in Varanasi for the shoot of an upcoming project. Post-filming, the actress headed to the Sarnath Hotel there. She was found dead in her hotel room. The Bhojpuri actress made her debut in the industry with Meri Jung Mera Faisla. She was also seen in Mujhse Shadi Karogi (Bhojpuri), Veeron Ke Veer and Fighter King, among others. Akanksha managed to carve a niche in the industry with her acting skills at a young age. 2405:201:401B:721E:D4DC:33B6:D7F7:8884 (talk) 18:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not have an article about Akanksha Dubey. This WikiProject is concerned with article about Crime and Criminal Biographies, so would not normally concern itself with articles about a person's death or suicide as a suicide is not normally considered a crime - as it is hard to imprison a dead person. If there are suspicious circumstances surrounding a death that is alleged to be a suicide, Wikipedia guidelines for writing about suspects advised against writing an article until there is a conviction secured. Your best source of information in this case is probably the news media, not Wikipedia as Wikipedia is not a news website. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 23:42, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

What to do with British crime project template?

We discussed this template a while ago (several times actually) and since all articles that would be under their scope are under ours, and that project have not been active in many years, and given the scoping issues (it is overlapping with us and UK, nothing unique) I don't think there's anything with it that needs to stick around. We can just leave their project pages as defunct but interesting archives, but the continued existence of their talk page banner annoys me, since even to this day well meaning users will tag new articles with that very defunct project instead of this one.

Should I simply redirect it to the main crime & crimebio template? That will make duplicates annoying, but it would handily deal with the non zero amount of articles that are tagged under that dead project and not this one. That is also how the new WP Firefighting project handled it, as a merge between two old defunct projects. PARAKANYAA (talk) 14:27, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

@PARAKANYAA: project page currently advised using "... Wikipedia:WikiProject United Kingdom and Wikipedia:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography ..." Looking at the talk pages that link to the British crime template, there are about 1,700 articles. I suspect many of these already have a Crime and Criminal Biography banner. While redirecting to the Crime and Criminal Biography banner would bring these articles into this WikiProject, I wonder if having a human, or a bot, visit the articles that are linked and change or merge the banners might be a better solution. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 05:47, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

@Cameron Dewe For now I'll just remove them when I see them. Maybe I'll do an WP:AWB run at it at some point. PARAKANYAA (talk) 05:06, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

@PARAKANYAA: Today, I have been looking at pages linked to Template:WikiProject British crime and editing some articles talk pages to remove the defunct banner template and replace it with Wikipedia:WikiProject United Kingdom or Wikipedia:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography, or both of them, where these banners are missing and appropriate to add. After editing about thirty articles it looks like more than half the articles already have a Crime and Criminal Biography banner, but many are missing a WikiProject United Kingdom banner, but most of these might still have a more specific country or regional geography banner like England, Scotland or a county banner. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 06:01, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

@PARAKANYAA: I have now gone through and edited the talk pages of about 1,700 WikiProject British crime articles that were transcluding the Template:WikiProject British crime to remove this template and added the WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography Template to their talk pages, if it was not already present. I also added the WikiProject United Kingdom banner to many of the pages, because it was often not present either. Looking at what pages are left linked to the British crime template, I can find about 830 category talk pages and about 25 other pages that transclude the British crime template. There are also 4 template articles that redirect to the British crime template, although only one appears to have significant use for displaying the talk page banners. The others are mostly being used as redirect links between Template, User or Wikipedia talk pages, not transcluded as template banners. Only a couple of articles transclude these redirects, so it should be easy to substitute banners in these cases. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 09:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC)

@PARAKANYAA: I have now replaced the WikiProject British crime banner for all articles and categories that trancluded this template. There are a handful of remaining project pages that are directly related to the WikiProject British crime project page. Should I include those pages in the Crime and Criminal Biography WikiProject, or just leave them? There are also several redirects and I wonder if any of them should be redirected to the Crime and Criminal Biography WikiProject, too?

The remaining pages are mostly various User: or Wikipedia: talk pages that refer to the page Template:WikiProject British crime in their discussions or listings. I am not sure if doing anything with these pages is worthwhile.

I have closed one talk page discussion about the removal of the WikiProject banner with a note the banner has now been replaced with alternatives. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 23:22, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

@Cameron Dewe Unfortunately, my personal life has become a nightmare as of late so my activity or response times may not be the greatest, but 1) Great job replacing all that and 2) I would just leave them personally. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:59, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Writing better crime-related articles

While assessing numerous crime-related articles, I have found myself repeatedly referring to certain guidelines and saying the same sorts of things time and time again. Editors seem to be insufficiently aware of these specific issues when writing about crime-related topics. The general advice about contributing to Wikipedia that is offered at Wikipedia:Writing better articles is quite general. It does not highlight issues related to specific topics. Also, there are other more specialized essays about writing about specific topics, such as:

• Wikipedia:Writing about breeds
• Wikipedia:Writing about cannabis,
• Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Writing about fiction,
• Wikipedia:Writing about women,
• Are there other essays or guidelines about writing articles about specific topics that I have missed?

I see this essay about writing better crime-related atricles as being something different from a style guide or part of the Manual of Style for Crime-related articles. The essay would set out the basic issues that editors might encounter when writing about crime-related topics and provide advice and considerations that editors should take into account. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 00:03, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

@Cameron Dewe This seems like a good idea, I have no opposition. I can't think of any suggestions for it off the top of my head, though. PARAKANYAA (talk) 14:03, 14 May 2024 (UTC)

@Cameron Dewe I agree that something like this (or even a style guide) is sorely needed. It's a little alarming how widespread the lack of editorial standards for crime-related articles are and a bit surprising that a style guide doesn't already exist. The Professional Wrestling style guide is one that's pretty good and is also about a topic area that requires a lot of editorial guidance: Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling/Style guide. BoldGnome (talk) 04:21, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

@PARAKANYAA and BoldGnome: Thanks for your feedback. I have started drafting an essay in my sandbox. Some of the advice is pretty general. While other advice is specific about crime related articles, such as writing articles about crimes in the past tense because these are historic events. I would welcome comments and further specific ideas. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 04:50, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your work on this, it looks great so far! I wonder if there would be more value in centralising it to the Project Page and perhaps making it specifically a style guide? Essays are easily dismissed by stubborn editors whereas a style guide can be more easily relied on as the consensus of editors involved in the project, and can be more easily changed to reflect evolving consensus. (Plus it would lighten the burden on you.) Totally understand if that's not what you intend for this piece of work. BoldGnome (talk) 07:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

My initial thoughts were to draft something in my sandbox before moving it to an essay. But your suggestion of a style guide makes sense for some of the content that is specifically crime related. There is other content, about the 5 W questions, that is more content orientated that would probably make sense to be in a stand alone essay as it is good advice about writing articles generally. - Thanks for the feedback. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 07:56, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

@Cameron Dewe One specific issue that always tends to cause a lot of controversy is when exactly a perpetrator of a high profile crime warrants a separate article from the main crime article - it's often accepted, but usually as a sub-article from the main one, and even then. There was an essay that gave guidance along these lines, but IIRC that essay gave backwards guidance from how it was usually handled (it advised making an article on the perpetrator first, and not an event one - though that basically is how we deal with non modern serial killers). I have some thoughts on this myself but I definitely feel as if it's an issue that a crime style guide would need to handle.

Our handling of this area is kind of a mess, especially with serial vs mass murderers (who we treat very differently page-structure wise in most cases). Guidelines are sort of unwritten here in this respect. And we don't have any clear cut guidance on how to treat aspects of crime perpetrators in articles, except for the broad BLP guidance which obviously applies to crime in the "be careful about naming people" thing. This has to do with WP:BIO1E and WP:BLP1E - however, these guidelines explicitly notes "if media coverage of both the event and the individual's role grow larger, separate articles may become justified" and "if the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one" then an article may be warranted (which everyone ignores) so where do we draw the line?

I think it should probably be noted that in any case, splits of that nature shouldn't be done unless it would improve the original and split pages, which is something no one seems to understand so we have people trying to make half baked split articles for notorious murderers even when it covers no new ground. Someone actually went and wrote a decent (but kind of overdetailed) article for Elliot Rodger that did cover what the main page didn't recently, after years and years of people saying he should have an article but not actually writing one. Content split is useless without the content after all.

Anyway I'll try to think of more things to cover. PARAKANYAA (talk) 05:05, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

@PARAKANYAA: Yes, I was involved in the debate about the Elliot Rodger article, as well as other proposals by the same editor for other proposed biographies where WP:BIO1E and WP:BLP1E were involved. There is also WP:CRIMINAL and WP:BLPCRIME which, I think, over-rides the other policies, too. I will go back over some arguments on these topics to see what has been put forward and accepted. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 05:27, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

An additional thought I've had is that many crime-related articles are written in a way where it tries to tells a dramatic 'true crime' story which describes each 'twist' and 'turn' in the events they describe, likely as a result of the sources relied upon for those articles. I know you've referred to Writing Better Articles, but I'd suggest borrowing heavily from WP:Encyclopedic style. BoldGnome (talk) 08:25, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@BoldGnome: I have also found that being ENCYCLOPEDIC means that Wikipedia is not everything. Also, Wikipedia is not a news website, nor is it a memorial website. I also recently came across an opinion piece by a journalist who was asking why there were murders missing from Wikipedia, and pointing out that some of these articles about brutal murders were actually being deleted, basically because nobody was writing news stories about them. I will need to find it again. This started me thinking about media bias when reporting crime, as "If it bleeds, it leads." - which means newspapers will tend to report sensational or spectacular violent crimes, yet ignore mundane crime that makes up the majority of crime that is committed. I also came across some comments I made about the (mis-)use of crime statistics back in 2021. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 09:46, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Found this opinion piece: Thomas, Sean (31 July 2013) "The murder of Stephen Lawrence and the strange case of the missing Wikipedia entries", The Telegraph. - I think this is an interesting observation about crime articles on Wikipedia. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 10:05, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Having been distracted for the past month with replacing the British crime banner, I am now starting to think about this again. The idea of a style guide is starting to appeal to me more and more. There are a number of style issues I have come across recently that suggest further guidance may be needed for various issues specific to crime related articles that are already covered by existing guidelines.

One example is use of the somewhat vague label "criminal" being used in relation to biographies of people who are convicted of a serious crime, or crimes, of a particular type for which there is a much more precise term that could be used instead. Often the "criminal" label is not supported by any sources, while the other term(s) are often well supported by sources. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 11:20, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2024 shooting at a Donald Trump rally#Requested move 13 July 2024

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Requested move at Talk:University of Texas at Austin stabbing#Requested move 14 July 2024

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Requested move at Talk:Michael Jackson sexual abuse allegations#Requested move 15 July 2024

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Requested move at Talk:Binghamton shooting#Requested move 16 July 2024

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War crimes in the Russian invasion of Ukraine has an RfC

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Requested move at Talk:Kaspersky bans and allegations of Russian government ties#Requested move 23 July 2024

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Good article reassessment for Cerro Maravilla murders

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Lucy Letby has an RfC

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Requested move at Talk:Calls for the destruction of Israel#Requested move 31 July 2024

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Requested move at Talk:2024 United Kingdom riots#Requested move 7 August 2024

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Hawley Harvey Crippen: EngVar

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Requested move at Talk:2024 Kolkata rape and murder incident#Requested move 16 August 2024

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Requested move at Talk:Mohamed Atta#Requested move 19 August 2024

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Requested move at Talk:Palestinian suicide terrorism#Requested move 21 August 2024

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Discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard § POVPUSH removal of "Black"

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Requested move at Talk:Philippine Senate hearing on the Kingdom of Jesus Christ#Requested move 25 August 2024

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Requested move at Talk:Murder of Mallory Manning#Requested move 22 August 2024

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One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!

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Requested move at Talk:Arrest of Pavel Durov#Requested move 28 August 2024

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Reassess Forced Prostitution article

Moved from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography/Assessment

 – PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:58, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Hey guys. A significant amount of work has been done to the Forced Prostitution article by me among others, is it possible for it to be re-assessed? Thanks. -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 16:48, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Assessments

Moved from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography/Assessment

 – PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:58, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

I've been contributing to crime-related articles for the past five years and have noticed that most articles in this WikiProject go unassessed.Is there any way I could help? Thanks, ----User:Gourami WatcherUser talk:Gourami Watcher 19:23, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Comments?

Moved from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography/Assessment/A-Class review

 – PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:58, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

Please comment or make suggestions. Many thanks. Mootros (talk) 18:56, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Muslim grooming gangs in the United Kingdom#Requested move 3 September 2024

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Are war crimes in scope?

I'm inclined to think yes but I am unsure. Another question, which I am even less certain of: are war related massacres/mass killings in the purview of the serial killer task force? I feel those are slightly different issues. But not sure. PARAKANYAA (talk) 12:47, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

@PARAKANYAA: The UNODC's crime classification standard (ICCS) has several categories that classify a range of War crimes (11013) as well as Unlawful killing associated with armed conflict (0107), where those do not amount to war crimes, as crimes. This implies war crimes are definitely in scope, especially where one or more perpetrators have been charged with a war crime or there is an investigation by relevant authorities that war crimes have been committed. Mere allegations without a judicial ruling are, perhaps, a grey area. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 20:00, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

@Cameron Dewe makes sense to me. Thanks! PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:42, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

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Requested move at Talk:Kingdom of Jesus Christ compound standoff#Requested move 1 October 2024

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Merge of WP:TERRORISM into this project

I have started a discussion on WP:TERRORISM about making that project a task force of this one, since it is inactive and has so much overlap with our project. See here. Please contribute your thoughts. Thanks! PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:21, 4 October 2024 (UTC)

@PARAKANYAA: I note that this merger has been completed now, with all the WikiProject Terrorism related articles now having a WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography banner and rating. By my estimates, over half the articles already had a Crime and Criminal Biography banner on them, and of the remainder I looked at, all but one probably should have had the banner added, too. I only saw one article where the crime banner should not have been put on the article, and that was because it was not terrorism in the first place, and should have been classified as a military action instead. Far less painful a migration than previous merges. Well done. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 17:03, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Unassessed articles

Now that the WP Terrorism articles were tagged with this project (or are, it's not done yet), the unassessed importance articles backlog has gone from 0 to what is looking to be several thousand. I will handle what I can. Well, at least we'll get all of the notifications for articles on article alerts now, I always thought it was really annoying that we didn't. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:03, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Done with AWB. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:47, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

@PARAKANYAA: Thanks for all the hard work. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 17:04, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Consensus to split into subpages?

I'm partially neutral on this but while changing all the page names for WP:TERROR I realized they use the subpage method of organization, while we have everything on one page. I think it is clearer organizationally if we do it that way, but didn't want to do it without consensus. For example, we could split resources/participants/recognized content/open tasks off to their own pages. thanks :D PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:31, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I think having all the WikiProject content on one page makes it easier to see what is going on with a WikiProject. Having multiple pages poses the risk of content forking, where information on one page conflicts with similar information on another. While it is a good idea to have separate pages for each task force of a WikiProject, having a centralized page for the overall WikiProject reduces the number of different pages one needs to keep an eye on to just one. I see sub-pages as mostly being for sections of the main project page that you want people to contribute to, without actually editing the main project page itself. The content might appear on the main project page in an abbreviated form but editing takes place on the sub-page, like documentation sub-pages for templates, where one does not want the template page to be updated. However, I don't see the need for that approach here, at the moment. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 17:23, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough, honestly PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:26, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Renaming Charles Rodman Campbell Article

I started a discussion on the talk page for the article Charles Rodman Campbell, regarding a potential name change; I decided to post here to get more opinions.

I'm currently working on addressing a severe lack of sources and prevalence of factual errors, rearranging the article, and adding additional information, and I figured it might be helpful to first hear opinions on a potential renaming of the article after the crime victims rather than the perpetrator, before I get too far with making more rearrangements. Renaming the article would require a drastic rearrangement of almost all the information currently present.

Long story short, I proposed changing the name of the article to Clearview triple murders, or something similar; due to there having been three victims (Renae Wicklund, Shannah Wicklund, and Barbara Hendrickson), I'd be hesitant to name it after any of the victims or place any of their surnames in the title, but I can also see if that title naming it after the city might seem vague, or if it could be argued that Campbell was a sufficiently historically noteworthy figure to make the article's current title appropriate. (I also want to be clear that I don't really want to have a discussion here; I'd rather the discussion be on the article's talk page linked above, where I have gone into more and better detail about my thoughts.) Afddiary (talk) 12:05, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Robert Roberson case#Requested move 26 October 2024

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Good article reassessment for Iskandar of Johor

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Good article reassessment for R v R

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Lizzy Seeberg

I'm not sure the Death of Lizzy Seeberg article meets WP:NPOV; I re-worded some of the article but I would like other editors to take a look Joeykai (talk) 06:49, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@Joeykai: I think your rewording is an improvement. WP:BLPCRIME applies to the article. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 18:49, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Are Murder/Killing of articles supposed to use infobox person or the civilian attack infobox?

I've seen both. With mass attack type crimes it obviously makes no sense using the person infobox but when there's only one victim it makes enough sense. And calling one person's murder a "civilian attack" seems weird. That hypothetical style guide we were working on should probably address this. There's also Infobox event, which is sometimes used, which in most ways is worse for crime articles in that it isn't very well adapted to it, but is better for crime articles in the singular way of having a sentence parameter, which means we can only add the sentence parameter to like 1% of articles that are applicable to them. This is stupid. PARAKANYAA (talk) 08:27, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

And also, some articles contain multiple infoboxes, typically with crime they will have one event one and one for the perp. I tried this my first few edits and was quickly taught not to do it, but was never certain if it was against the rules since I see it in many pages. Multiple infoboxes turns into an eyesore and isn't really fulfilling of the infobox purpose, so now I am against it, but thoughts? PARAKANYAA (talk) 08:36, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I personally think that using the civilian attack infobox on the article of the murder of a singlular person makes sense, since they are a civilian who was attacked, therefore it is an attack on a civilian thus being a "civilian attack". Articles on individual murders aren't solely written about the victim either, they write of the background events, perpetrator and legacy of the murder. So, using the person infobox wouldn't make sense since the article isn't actually centred around the person, it's centred around their murder. For example, Murder of George Floyd uses infobox civilian attack since it's about the murder, whilst George Floyd uses infobox person since it's about the victim.

I'd also like to mention that there are instances where Infobox event should be used in crime articles, for example: Kenosha unrest shooting uses Infobox event, as the killings were classed as self-defense and not murder, so Kyle Rittenhouse did not attack those who died, nor did he murder them, he simply killed them. Killing and murder are different since "killing" is merely the act of killing, whilst murder is unlawful killing. The same is used for Killing of Trayvon Martin since Trayvon Martin, as decided in court, was not "murdered", he was "killed" as the ordeal was classified as self-defense.

This how I feel it should be:

• Murder of a person(s) = Infobox civilian attack, for example: Murder of James Bulger
• Victim of a murder = Infobox person, for example: George Floyd
• Lawful killing of a person = Infobox event, for example: Kenosha unrest shooting

Atamanashi (talk) 12:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Also, I may be looking too deeply definitions and terminology, but I'd like to ask whether Infobox civilian attack should be used on articles regarding the murders of police officers or military personnel, as police and military by definition are not civilians. So the murder of one of these cannot actually be a "civilian attack". For example, 2009 shootings of Oakland police officers uses Infobox civilian attack despite the fact none of the victims were civilians. I'm unsure if every article about the murder of a police officer or military personnel should use Infobox event or if it would even be a good idea, I just think it would just make sense logically. Atamanashi (talk) 13:00, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't really think the distinction between civilian and non civilian for the purpose of the infobox is that important except for excluding most wartime actions, so if it's a "mass attack" type crime I would say that it should use that template and not event as it is the closest to its purpose. So I would say the police ones should use civilian attack as they aren't wartime actions. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:07, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Agree, like I said I was looking into it too deeply. The actual purpose of the infobox coincides better with the articles, even if no civilian were attacked, the name wouldn't dictate it so specifically. Atamanashi (talk) 00:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't think lawful/unlawfulness should impact it, as there isn't really any parameter-type difference. An attack is not unlawful per se, it is merely aggressive, there can be lawful attacks, such as in war. Will think more on the rest. PARAKANYAA (talk) 16:24, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I understand an attack isn't always inherently inlawful, however, the crime articles centred around a "killing" are usually always self-defense, so the defender did not attack anyone, they defended themself. So, in my opinion, these articles should use the event infobox as opposed to the civilian attack one since it was not an attack, even if the parameters are similar.

BTW, my question about article about murders of police/military, I'd just like to clarify, that was a hypothetical question rather than a genuine proposal. Atamanashi (talk) 00:32, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

An attack does not have to be unlawful though, an attack can be in self defense. And yes the hypotheticals are important here to figure out what the purpose of everything is. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

The reason I disagree with this is that the purpose of the infobox was originally, AFAIK, for terror attacks and mass shootings, and then I think for labeling and overlap reasons those got combined. I do not think that a crime or non-crime attack that targets several people (or is attempting to) has the same considerations as the killing of one person, other than generalist crime parameters (which event also has), so you tend to get some very off labeling. And yes, the George Floyd case is one thing, but that one was so astronomically high profile that we have three articles, one for the crime one for the victim one for the perpetrator, instead of just choosing one (I still don't get why we have an article for Chauvin, compared to other BLP1E cases, but oh well). From what I've seen it's pretty random whether an article uses the person one or attack/event. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:10, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

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Possible rename of Bærum mosque shooting

I have opened up a pre-requested move discussion of the title of this article, since it is not accurately reflective of the coverage on this topic. Please contribute your thoughts here, thank you :) PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

New category, Category:Crimes adapted into films

Editors may have an interest in further populating this category, which at this point only has 11 entries. Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:28, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

This category sounds like it may conflict with Category:Crime drama films based on actual events, but it comes at it from the other side. The difference should be the new category is populated by the crimes themselves, not the films. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:40, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

@Randy Kryn I think this is a useful category - however, could the distinction you mention be clarified in the description? PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:47, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

And also, your edits confuse me, because you just added it to several pages in the reverse to how you described it. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:50, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I realized I was adding films into the category incorrectly, and either reverted or, interestingly, many of the incorrect films I added were not yet in the correct category and have added those. Of course a descriptor should have been written, thanks for reminding me of the obvious I missed. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:53, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

PARAKANYAA, have written a brief descriptor. I've included crimes adapted into theatrical documentaries, should those be here or a separate 'Crimes which are subjects of documentaries'? Thanks for following up on this discussion. Randy Kryn (talk) 02:57, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

I think as is fine for now, but documentary films category could be OK too. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:04, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, will leave it as is before making another productive mistake. Randy Kryn (talk) 03:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

@Randy Kryn Do you have any thoughts about making similar categories for TV shows? I think that would be useful, though I don't know how that category scheme works. PARAKANYAA (talk) 09:50, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Interesting idea PARAKANYAA, and while 'Crimes adapted into television shows' and 'Crime drama television shows based on actual events' would duplicate many of the entries in the films category (JFK assassination, Lindbergh kidnapping, etc.) some would be new. Did you have specific shows in mind? Thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:17, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

@Randy Kryn My first thought was the 1995 Vercors massacre case which had Anthracite (TV series) made about it (though it’s a loose adaptation so it might not count…) and also some Netflix series I watched ages ago. Surely more, but the Solar Temple case is my pet project onwiki so that’s what sprung to mind. I’ll tell you if I think of more. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks PARAKANYAA. The film category has picked up a good number of entries, thanks to everyone here. If you have enough for a television category please go ahead and do that. Many of the promising but "probably-not" television examples may include too much drama and purposely-fictionized events. Randy Kryn (talk) 01:14, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

@Randy Kryn Yeah if I find like… 5 or so that have straightforward adaptions I might make it. But not now.

Relatedly, how direct of an adaptation do you think should go in the category? No inspired by just direct? I want to keep this in mind when I tag things. PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:44, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

I'd say spot-on direct. Inspired by would include such fictional renditions as The Fugitive and many Law and Order episodes, clearly tangential to the topic. Things like the Richard Jewell series adhered to the facts enough that it would fit the crime (the Atlanta Olympic bombing). Randy Kryn (talk) 09:56, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Makes sense. Thanks, I will keep that in mind while tagging. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Categorizing criminals whose existence is disputed

I have noticed there are several alleged criminals who are in the category Category:People whose existence is disputed is disputed and it's subcategories. This seems to me to be less than ideal. I do not think we should place people whose even existence is disputed directly in the crime categories. I think we should maybe make a parallel tree, probably much less developed, for criminals whose existence is disputed. What do others think.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:37, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

How many people can there possibly be that this applies to? PARAKANYAA (talk) 16:00, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

A good portion are possibly existent pirates. However I think we have about 5 articles on murderers, maybe a few more, and a few motored on bandits.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

In that case I agree it's odd. I think it depends. Disputed but viewed as historical by a decent amount I'd say is OK. Purely legendary figures, no. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:45, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Scope question

Do you think that war-related activities that involve terrorist groups as participants should be in scope generally? For example, battles that involved ISIS and their control of territory. This has always bothered me when it comes to scoping because it feels more like a MILHIST deal, since their status as terrorists is not super relevant as a designation in that context vs them being a fighting force. I would say no, I do not think the war and the battles and stuff are within the purview of WPTERROR or WPCRIMEBIO. However, acts of terror or war crimes would be. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Isn't MILHIST mostly inactive anyway? Dimadick (talk) 03:47, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

@Dimadick No? It is by far the most active wiki project. PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

You are kidding. I keep finding articles on battles and wars which have never been tagged and never been assessed. I thought it went the way of the dodo years ago. Dimadick (talk) 04:09, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

@Dimadick With project tagging, the thing is they can be hard to find if they aren’t shortly after they’re created, and the scope is so broad any query would catch a lot of other stuff. This project is pretty active and I tag old articles with it all the time. PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:12, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

@PARAKANYAA: If one looks at what UNODC classifies as crime, (See ICCS, pp 23-31), it has a high level category for "Unlawful killing associated with armed conflict." (107), it also has categories for "Terrorism" (0906) as well as a range of [criminal] "Acts under universal jurisdiction" (1101), which includes war crimes, genocide, and similar crimes against humanity. What this indicates to me is that the UN does not consider an armed conflict, of itself, to be crime and it is how those authorities dealing with the armed conflict react to the various acts that are perpetrated that counts. A purely military response, therefore, is not a response to crime, but a seeking out of the perpetrators and "bringing them to justice" is. While this may be a grey area, I think war-related activities that involve terrorist (or other armed) groups is outside the scope of WikiProject Crime and Criminal Biography, generally, and should instead be included in WikiProject Military History. However, where a criminal response is involved, then that falls in-scope; so a government declaring an individual or organisation to be a "terrorist" would mean an article about that person or organisation, such as a biography or profile, could be included in this project, but an article about the military battles the organisation has with other military organisations, wouldn't be automatically included. What could be included are acts that involve the indiscriminate targeting of civilians not involved in the conflict where these acts are treated as crimes, rather than the collateral damage of war. Thus, the military battles with ISIS for the control of territory are outside scope, but their destruction of cultural objects and their treatment of non-combatant civilians and women are inside scope, in my opinion. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 20:23, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

I agree with this. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:29, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

Violin scam

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Serious BLP vios in Gambino crime family

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Are crime novels/fiction in scope (generally)?

WP:NOVELS has a crime fiction task force. I would think that books/fiction directly based upon real cases would be in scope, as would non fiction. But I am unsure about purely original crime fiction, due to how common it is. I think at least for novels, it would make sense to be exclusionary and tag them with the novels crime task force, since I think that makes the scope clearer. Thoughts? PARAKANYAA (talk) 14:39, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

James McLain

Unsourced for 15 years. For all I know, it's a hoax. Please either find and add reliable sources, or send it to WP:AfD. 2025 is the year of clean up. Bearian (talk) 04:39, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

@Bearian I'll see what I can find. PARAKANYAA (talk) 17:14, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

@Bearian Probably a hoax! AfDed. Kind of a funny one. Always the mobster articles... PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:45, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

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Category:Mass murderers

The Category:Mass murderers doesn't seem to have a clear inclusion criteria. Is it all individuals who have killed 3 or more people without a cooling off period? Do they need to have been convicted in court for murder? Is it mainly for mass shooting/mass stabbing, or do bombings count? Do they need to have committed the act themselves, or can they be included if they ordered or masterminded the killings? VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 13:55, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

@Vice regent To my understanding it is the typical definition which is a person who kills several people at once (usually 3 or 4), regardless of method. If they are a BLP they have to be convicted to be in the category because BLPCRIME but many mass murderers die in the attempt so if they die in the attempt that can be included. I would not say that someone who orchestrated it is a mass murderer as they are not usually discussed in that type of context. But people put the orchestrators of genocides and such in there which has always bothered me since that seems to be a very different thing from say, amok killers or terrorists, and they aren't discussed as the same in secondary sources. So clearly people think otherwise on that count (despite the category description... saying not to add them) - but otherwise there is general agreement.

So basically, people who murder a bunch of people at once. PARAKANYAA (talk) 14:00, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

US law defines it as the "the killing of three or more people (that is not legally justified or excusable) in a single incident at a single location"; most criminology sources don't really bother with the "single location" bit anymore which is allegedly the distinction with "spree killer" but that term never had a clear distinction and was mostly used as a synonym for mass or serial killer. Crime categories are always going to be weird because everything is different by jurisdiction but the most commonly accepted definition for our purposes would be close to that. PARAKANYAA (talk) 14:09, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

I personally think we should get rid of the category as it is prone to problems. But if we keep it then having a criminal conviction is important and I don't think we should make an exception for if a subject is dead. For example, should Paul Tibbets be considered a mass murderer for being the pilot that dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima? VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 17:44, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

@Vice regent No because the definition excludes incidents that are "legally justifiable". Would you delete the serial killer category because you consider a soldier who kills other soldiers a serial killer? Obviously not. I would strongly oppose any attempt to get rid of it, unless we want to get rid of every category about crime, as they are all equally problematic, which I don't think would see broad support. There is no policy based reason that we cannot describe a dead person considered to be a mass murderer as a mass murderer, as BLPCRIME is not an issue and all reliable sources describe them as such - we describe Marc Lépine and Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold as mass murderers, since they died in the act. They are widely described in all RS as such terms. What else would you call them? This is the case for a sizable portion, perhaps even a majority, of the individuals who are discussed as mass murderers, since many are murder-suicide. Yes, definitions are finnicky, that's the problem with crime, because we have different jurisdictions. But I reject the idea that this is any more of a problem than the rest, the term has a commonly accepted definition with some variance, like murder or serial killer. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:16, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

@PARAKANYAA "legally justifiable" is very dubious. Are you proposing a criteria that this category only apply to persons, living or dead, who are described as "murderer" (or accused of either first degree or second degree murder) by all or almost all RS? Of course, we'd have to distinguish between "killer" and "murderer" in that case, because the don't mean the same.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 21:30, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

@Vice regent I don’t understand what you’re not getting. No it’s not dubious, it’s quite clear - or would you call soldiers serial killers? If it is performed in a context for a state or during a war that is typically legal killing with the exception of some war crimes, it is not considered the same. And I wouldn’t put the bar that high. Generally with dead people if most of the sources call it murder then yes it is appropriate. The degrees are useless here because they vary so much by jurisdiction. “Mass killer” is a sometimes used synonym which dodges the murder problem, but is complicated by the fact that a mass killing is also a different kind of act and the COMMONNAME for this crime is mass murder. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:35, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

@PARAKANYAA sometimes an action is legal within one jurisdiction but not under another. Examples include Halabja massacre, Assassination of Qasem Soleimani, Lockerbie bombing etc. "with the exception of some war crimes" is also dubious as what is considered a war crime by one country is not regarded so by another.

Anyway, can we agree that this category should only be applied on people who called "murderer"* by an overwhelming majority of sources, and there are few/no sources that would dispute this characterization in anyway?

*At least in English, we should only consider the word "murderer" and not "killer", as not all killings imply murder.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 21:45, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

@Vice regent The inconsistency of legal terms is a problem that all crime categories have, which I am unsure of how to fix. Legal aspects do not mix well with our categorization system.

I would largely agree with you but I don’t think I would go with “overwhelming majority” due to the variance of terminology used, especially since it has evolved over time, at least for dead people. Simply most. If the person dies in the act then go with that, and if they survive then go by conviction. Is what I would say. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:55, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

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Draft:Murder of David Maland

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Children used by adults in the commission of crime

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I need help

Hi! Our article about Virginia Christian repeatedly called her a criminal. Turns out she was a mentally disabled and abused child who got executed one day after her 17th birthday, without a fair trial. She worked as a washerwoman to help support her paralyzed mother. I posted some sources on the talkpage, but there are many more. Can someone please take a look at this article? I suck at writing and have the brain of a dehydrated cucumber. Thanks, Polygnotus (talk) 03:05, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't see any such issues now. They appear to have been resolved. We can always add sources. Bearian (talk) 05:01, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

@Bearian: I fixed many issues, but the article is still far from perfect. We are listing sources on the talkpage to further improve the article. Polygnotus (talk) 05:03, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

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Good article reassessment for Criminal damage in English law

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Requested move at Talk:Lucy Letby#Requested move 21 February 2025

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Requested move at Talk:Zizians#Requested move 2 March 2025

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Notability of kidnappings and attempted kidnappings

I recently had a draft rejected for the follwing reason :

"unsuccessful assassinations or kidnappings are not notable on Wikipedia unless of a high degree or involves personalities who have a page on Wikipedia - it is not similar to an assassination/kidnapping plot of a popular world leader (US, Australia, Brazil) that would draw worldwide attraction. Lastly, why the article is "rejected" is because the victim of the kidnapping plot does not even have a page on Wikipedia which otherwise would have qualified for a merge."

Is this the applicable standard? In this draft article, the intended victim was a somewhat obscure government official, the perpetrators were conspiracy theorists, the plot was utterly ludicrous, however it did receive significant coverage in reliable sources in the UK, and in local media where the crime took place. Footage of the crime and the judgment were broadcast on the UK's Sky News (a news-corp subsidiary).

Perhaps I'm out of touch with standards, but this really does look like a notable subject. Should I continue editing this article or give up?

Salimfadhley (talk) 02:05, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

@Salimfadhley That is a poor decline rationale, and we have no such rules about kidnapping plots to my knowledge. Those types of crimes absolutely can be notable in some circumstances, and there are no crimes that are always notable. The issue is this specific case does not have great sourcing, Sky News is not reliable and the coverage is not in depth. For notability for this kind of thing, read WP:NEVENT. I do not think this particular topic is notable. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:23, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, on that basis, unless I can find some better sources I will leave this topic alone. Salimfadhley (talk) 21:16, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Palm Sunday massacre (homicide)#Requested move 22 February 2025

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Requested move at Talk:2006 Yemen prison escape#Requested move 4 March 2025

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Good article reassessment for Lois Riess

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Discussion at Talk:Phil Spector

There's a discussion on how we should format the the first paragraph on the lead section of the Phil Spector article, which can be found at Talk:Phil Spector#"Convicted murderer" in lead section. Feedback from project members would be appreciated. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 10:17, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Algiers Motel killings#Requested move 17 February 2025

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Requested move at Talk:Murder of Paul Anlauf and Franz Lenck#Requested move 6 March 2025

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Requested move at Talk:Virginia McCullough case#Requested move 19 March 2025

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Requested move at Talk:Óscar Ramírez (terrorist)#Requested move 6 March 2025

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Requested move at Talk:Christopher Paul#Requested move 31 March 2025

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Killing of Austin Metcalf

I just created a brief article for the Killing of Austin Metcalf. It may be of interest to members of this project. Thriley (talk) 06:47, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

I think this is WP:TOOSOON to see if this is notable and will probably turn into a BLPCRIME mess. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:24, 16 April 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2025 Mannheim car incident#Requested move 3 March 2025

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Requested move at Talk:Homicide at the Brazilian Senate#Requested move 3 April 2025

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Requested move at Talk:Prostitution in the State of Palestine#Requested move 18 April 2025

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Good article reassessment for Honest services fraud

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Monk scam

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Requested move at Talk:The Base (hate group)#Requested move 7 May 2025

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Requested move at Talk:2025 Palm Springs fertility clinic bombing#Requested move 21 May 2025

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Requested move at Talk:Paul Marshall Johnson Jr.#Requested move 7 May 2025

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Jack Sheppard FAR

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Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard#Victims_of_rape

For the interested. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:34, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board § Brothers for Life (B4L)

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Australian Wikipedians' notice board § Brothers for Life (B4L), which is within the scope of this WikiProject. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 11:35, 8 June 2025 (UTC) 5225_C (talk • contributions) 11:35, 8 June 2025 (UTC)

New article: Patagonian cannibal murders (1904-1909)

I created an article about this fascinating case from Patagonia. please read it and let me know what you think

Draft:Patagonian cannibal murders (1904-1909) Bob meade (talk) 18:38, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

@Bob meade Looks mostly good, but there are a few statements inline without citations, which I would fix. Otherwise good start :) PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:40, 10 June 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Yao Yuanjun#Requested move 30 May 2025

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Serial killer in Argentina

Hello, and I hope not to bother anyone. But please, could anyone of this project with knowledge of the assessment process, do that with the article of Brenda Agüero? She's a neonatal nurse convicted yesterday here in Argentina. She's known as the "Argentine Lucy Letby".

Thank you. CoryGlee (talk) 14:21, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Nuseirat rescue and massacre#Requested move 22 June 2025

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Requested move at Talk:Guantanamo military commission#Requested move 20 June 2025

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Good article reassessment for Bali Nine

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Abner Vance

Would this interest anyone? Draft:Abner Vance CycoMa2 (talk) 02:51, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:The Store Bar shooting#Requested move 29 June 2025

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Requested move at Talk:Wang Xiaolong (coast guard)#Requested move 20 June 2025

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Good article reassessment for Abergil crime family

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Requested move at Talk:Richard Butler (white supremacist)#Requested move 18 June 2025

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Requested move at Talk:2002 Gujarat riots#Requested move 25 April 2025

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Requested move at Talk:Suicide by pilot#Requested move 13 July 2025

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Draft:Danish Minhas

Hello, I want some other user to approve my draft article Draft:Danish Minhas because I resubmitted it after a previous rejection for lack of citations. Draft:Danish Minhas now has citations in it and they are in. I need any user to approve the draft soon. I need the draft to be approved. It is a high profile crime case from 2009. Undercoveranonymous (talk) 19:15, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Kalinka Bamberski case#Requested move 10 July 2025

Hello,

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Requested move at Talk:Suicide by pilot#Requested move 13 July 2025

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Requested move at Talk:Steven Pladl triple murder and suicide#Requested move 13 July 2025

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Requested move at Talk:Murders of Kate Bushell and Lyn Bryant#Requested move 12 July 2025

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Requested move at Talk:Buffalo Six#Requested move 16 July 2025

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Requested move at Talk:Disappearance of Constance Marten and Mark Gordon#Requested move 16 July 2025

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Requested move at Talk:The Purple Gang#Requested move 20 July 2025

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Templeton Woods murders - keep, rename or split

Murder of Elizabeth McCabe includes a section Murder of Carol Lannen as both are unsolved and both bodies were discovered in the same location (shortly after their disappearances) but a year apart (Lannen first). Otherwise it's thought they may not be linked. How should the article be titled? And if the title should remain Murder of Elizabeth McCabe, then should the murders be split into two articles? Reliable sources reference them in all possible variations. Darrelljon (talk) 20:24, 27 July 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Devin Moore (murderer)#Requested move 21 July 2025

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Requested move at Talk:Disappearance of Constance Marten and Mark Gordon#Requested move 16 July 2025

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Requested move at Talk:Richard Baumhammers#Requested move 18 July 2025

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Request for review: recent finding on birth of Gaetano Reina

I've recently published at https://mafiagenealogy.com/2025/07/18/when-was-tommy-reina-born/ an argument for accepting a different birthdate for Gaetano Reina, the New York City crime figure. The birthdate that is usually cited is incorrect. A review of his parents' known children's baptismal records indicates that Gaetano Reina was born Carmelo Gaetano Rumore (he was born out of wedlock, and Rumore is his mother's surname) on 19 July 1988. I show my sources at the link above. Likethewatch (talk) 16:57, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Assassination of Anas Al-Sharif#Requested move 11 August 2025

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Discussion on Talk:Adam Sandler (costume wearer)

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Requested move at Talk:Gangs of Wasseypur: Part II#Requested move 5 August 2025

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Requested move at Talk:Gangs of Wasseypur: Part I#Requested move 5 August 2025

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Requested move at Talk:Adam Sandler (costume wearer)#Requested move 15 August 2025

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Sources Pink Ladies project

Hi everyone.

So I am working on an article for the real life Pink Ladies that inspired the Pink Ladies in the musical Grease (musical).

I have found only a handful of articles on the subject. What I have is good, but it could be better. I am wondering if there are any experts on the topics or some research sleuths who can assist me. The Pink Ladies were a girl gang.

Thank you. (:

Here's what I have so far, keep in mind that the structure is still a work in process. If need be and not much more research can be done on the topic, I may make the article into a stub.

User:Historyguy1138/sandbox20 Historyguy1138 (talk) 15:26, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Murder of the Romanov family#Requested move 9 August 2025

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Marius Borg Høiby

Hello, there's currently a dispute about whether this article is a WP:BLPCRIME vio, see that talk page. Also, is anyone willing to run an RfC on whether this article is a vio in that area? I'm fairly busy with other things. grapesurgeon (seefooddiet) (talk) 20:16, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

Actually nvm on the RfC, but please feel free to participate in the convo grapesurgeon (seefooddiet) (talk) 21:08, 19 August 2025 (UTC)

CVLT (organization)

I'm not sure where to go with this concern but I was really struck after reading this article. It is overly detailed and I think it serves to promote this group and publicize their past activities, detailing every member who has been arrested and convicted. This might serve to make them seem more important than they are. I don't want Wikipedia being used to glorify such destructive activity that hurt minors and caused them pain and to commit self-harm. But I'm not an expert on content creation so I don't know how much to pare this article down and how to separate basic informative content and unnecessary details. I'm hoping by posting this message, I might get the attention of an editor skilled in working on articles on criminal groups who could cut this article down to what is useful for readers and delete all content that might be unnecessary and serve to exploit their victims. There is another article on a related organization, 764 (organization), where this might also be a problem. Thanks for any help you can provide. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:23, 25 August 2025 (UTC)

@Liz That is part of the problem I have with it, and why I did the AfD that didn't work. 764 at least has coverage of some kind of "thing" and broader investigative pieces/societal consequences rather than individual crimes. The problem with CVLT is there is nothing besides 'it resulted in 764' and individual crime listings. With this specific kind of violence (nihilistic ones) there is a tough line to walk between inadvertently fueling it by giving them attention and the necessary public awareness of a dangerous thing - the ideal would probably be in between. Evil prospers in too much light and in no light. I'm not really sure what to do personally! PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:38, 25 August 2025 (UTC)

Peer review notice

Hello! I have a current peer review, which aims to improve a Good article (Ang Totoong Narcolist) to Featured article status. Since it does not have any reviews, I am placing a notice here. The link is located here. Thanks, 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 (My "blotter") 10:54, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

Gaza genocide has an RfC

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Requested move at Talk:Porepunkah police shootings#Requested move 30 August 2025

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Requested move at Talk:Grooming gangs scandal#Requested move 4 September 2025

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One of your project's articles has been selected for improvement!

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Frédéric Péchier case

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Requested move at Talk:Killing of Charlie Kirk#Requested move 11 September 2025

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Proposed deletion of White Corolla case

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RfC on BLPCRIME

There is currently an RfC on WP:BLPCRIME at Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living persons § RFC: Amount of coverage in reliable primary news sources. voorts (talk/contributions) 00:13, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of List of Chicago criminal organizations and crime bosses

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Good article reassessment for Heavy Traffic

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List of American federal politicians convicted of crimes has an RfC

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Nomination of 2005 Ram Mandir attack for deletion

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Request for input: Murder of Jong-Ok Shin article review

Hi everyone,

I've opened a detailed discussion on the Talk page of Murder of Jong-Ok Shin regarding significant issues with neutrality, sourcing, structure, and article length. The page currently gives disproportionate weight to innocence-campaign material and alternative-suspect theories, relies on several weak sources (IMDb, YouTube uploads, advocacy sites), and exceeds 200 kB in length.

I've proposed a comprehensive cleanup and rebalancing plan that aligns with WP:NPOV, WP:BLP, WP:V, and WP:UNDUE. Editors familiar with crime-related biographies, legal-case coverage, or sourcing standards are invited to review and comment on the Talk page discussion: → Talk:Murder of Jong-Ok Shin#Request for comprehensive review: content balance, sourcing, structure, and policy compliance

Any input or assistance from experienced project members would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you, 66.54.123.6 (talk) 15:31, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:A Trick of the Light (novel)#Requested move 25 September 2025

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Requested move at Talk:Gaza war hostage crisis#Requested move 3 October 2025

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Nathan Gill and Category:British politicians convicted of crimes

There is some edit-warring in progress at Nathan Gill, on the basis of whether he should be categorised under Category:British politicians convicted of crimes , or indeed, described as a criminal in the lead .

The claim is that "per WP:BLPCRIMINAL 'should be added only for an incident that is relevant to the person's notability' - he was notable before that happened"

This is wrong, IMHO, on two counts. Firstly, the category becomes an oxymoron is we exclude all notable politicians from a category specifically about politicians who then went on to commit crimes! Secondly, the policy (as usual, the policy itself is fine, it's just being misrepresented) is specific that this exclusion doesn't apply if the offence "is relevant to the person's notability". Nathan Gill was a senior politician within Reform UK but his public profile, even in Wales, has never been large. His notability, indeed his entire existence, is known to most people in the UK simply because of his recent conviction.

The category and description should be included.

Thoughts please? @DeFacto: @Subzero55000: @PatGallacher: @Butterscotch Beluga: Andy Dingley (talk) 16:22, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

I'm not involved in this, just a member of the Wikiproject, but while I'm ambivalent on the category I would oppose the person being described as a criminal in the lead. It is not what he is notable for. And if we were to describe the crime, per MOS:CONVICTEDFELON phrasings like "convicted [x]" are strongly discouraged by the manual of style in the lead. If it is relevant to notability, describe the specific crime. PARAKANYAA (talk) 17:06, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

The Gill article was created in May 2014 and he was convicted in September 2025, so given that WP:NOTABILITY says On Wikipedia, notability is a test used by editors to decide whether a given topic warrants its own article, he was clearly considered to be notable long before his criminal conviction, hence the conviction had no relevance to his notability.

Given the above:

• I'm against using that category because it is a BLP contravention. WP:BLPCRIMINAL says, Category:Criminals and its subcategories should be added only for an incident that is relevant to the person's notability. The category in question is such a subcategory and the conviction is not relevant to his notability, so we should not add that category.
• I'm against that inclusion in the first sentence of the lead beacause it is a MOS contravention. MOS:CRIMINAL says, When the person is primarily notable for a reason other than the crime, principles of due weight will usually suggest placing the criminal description later in the first paragraph or in a subsequent paragraph (e.g. Martha Stewart, Rolf Harris, Roman Polanski). If the crime is not a significant part of the person's notability (e.g. Tim Allen, convicted of a felony 16 years before his rise to fame), it may be undue to mention in the lead at all. Gill is primarily notable for a reason other than the crime and the crime is not a significant part of his notability so we should not make that inclusion.

-- DeFacto (talk). 18:29, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

What do we mean by 'notability' here?

His original basic pass for WP:N inclusion here was due to his earlier career as an MEP. However there is also still the 'real world' (or at least 'outside world') meaning of notability. Which is less binary, it does not reduce to simple objective criteria for whether a subject exists or not, as we were forced into providing to implement the WP:N test. Gill's broad notability has quite clearly been very much increased by his conviction. This, not simple WP:N, is what matters for BLPCRIMINAL. The conviction was certainly "relevant to his notability". It is not common to find examples of other people of substantial notability who then commit a major crime, but it is not hard either: John du Pont, O.J. Simpson, Oscar Pistorius, Anthony Blunt, T. Dan Smith, all of these are described in the lead according to their crimes, and categorised accordingly.

I cannot see any justification for your claimed invalidation of Category:British politicians convicted of crimes as if the first part somehow negates the second. Andy Dingley (talk) 12:09, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

The definition of 'notability' used by WP:BLPCRIMINAL is clear as it is Wiki-linked to WP:N, the first sentence of which says: On Wikipedia, notability is a test used by editors to decide whether a given topic warrants its own article. Hence the notability of the topic here is due to what the subject was notable for before the article was created in 2014. That makes sense, and in articles such as Bruce Reynolds we see criminal/crime descriptions and categories used that way as they are the reason that article was created, and the fact that he became an author or a musician later in life does not feature in the first sentence of the lead or in the categories. That the articles you refer to may not abide by that Wikipedia policy is irrelevant per WP:OTHERCONTENT, which gives "This information should exist here, because it exists in article x" as an example of an argument to avoid on discussion pages. I see no reason for contravening the BLP policy here. -- DeFacto (talk). 15:40, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

So you're claiming that Category:British politicians convicted of crimes should be deleted as empty by definition, because no politician can ever become a criminal, according to Wikipedia's rather novel definition here? Andy Dingley (talk) 16:22, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

No, I'm not claiming that. All I'm doing is giving my understanding of part of a policy, as I read it. If it turns out as you say, that that category becomes empty, then sure, it should be deleted, of course. I know that categories are easy to create and easy to apply, and possibly not rigorously checked for policy compliance, so I guess that there will be many categories that were created in error. -- DeFacto (talk). 16:42, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

Defining does not mean it had to have been the initial reason they became notable, it just has to be something defining about them. Relevant does not mean the first thing. I cannot say if it is in this case. PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:18, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

We are not talking about 'defining' here, WP:CATDEF is only a guideline. Here we are talking about the WP:BLPCRIMINAL section of the BLP policy, which says Category:Criminals and its subcategories should be added only for an incident that is relevant to the person's notability, with the linked WP:N saying, On Wikipedia, notability is a test used by editors to decide whether a given topic warrants its own article. That decision was taken in 2014 when the article was created. As the notability test was made in 2014, how could it have considered his 2025 criminal conviction? -- DeFacto (talk). 18:41, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

Do you think what someone is notable for can never change? Is Donald Trump not notable for being the president? After all, his article was made over a decade prior to that occurring. PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:42, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

That's not why he was notable though, in Wiki's definition, that's something he achieved afterwards. -- DeFacto (talk). 21:14, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

Notability and the reasons someone are notable can change. It is not a one time thing, at all. PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:25, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

The reason that the article was created cannot change, and that's the WP:N definition of notability that WP:BLPCRIMINAL uses. -- DeFacto (talk). 23:21, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

That is not what the definition of notability is. Where in WP:N does it say the reason someone passes these guidelines is static when the article was created and cannot change? Our notability standards themselves change all the time. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:23, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

It says that in the very first sentence of its lead, which says, On Wikipedia, notability is a test used by editors to decide whether a given topic warrants its own article. The test used in 2014 to decide whether to create the article cannot be retrospectively changed to say it was created because of something that happened in 2025. -- DeFacto (talk). 23:34, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

Yes. But it does not say warranted, it says warrants, so ongoing. And the reasons something warrants an article can change! Someone can become more or less notable, notable for different things, or they can become non notable if our guidelines change. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:35, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

It says that in relation to the topic, yes. But once the topic has has achieved notability, in the Wikipedia sense, that reason for notability does not disappear, and will always be the reason that article was created. I think we've thrashed this point enough for now, and should leave it there. -- DeFacto (talk). 09:13, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

Concur with the non-inclusion of "criminal" in the lead, but not with the removal of the category of "politicians convicted of crime". I think this falls into the territory that the broad application of a line of the MOS to all categories pertaining to criminals stops us from improving the article, because it'd frankly be baffling for the category to apply only for politicians convicted before they became notable. Hell, look at Category:Sportspeople convicted of crimes, almost exclusively consisting of athletes who were already notable prior to their convictions. ser! ^{(chat to me - see my edits)} 19:12, 23 November 2025 (UTC)

This is my position. The category is obviously due, but referring to them as a criminal in the lead is unnecessary. Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 17:53, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

I disagree wrt to Gill's notability, he was a notable figure and the chaotic situation within the UKIP/Reform block in the Senedd was well covered, but absolutely agree with the outcome you seek to achieve. Very much concur with @Ser! on the application of WP:IAR. The lead section of the article as it currently stands, with a sentence about it but no mention in the lead sentence feels appropriate. Having no mention at all in the lead section wouldn't be useful for anyone seeking to learn about Gill, but having the lead sentence is definitely too far. Flatthew (talk) 09:27, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

Should Randy Stair have an article?

There's quite a lot of videos and information about him, and per WP:CRIME on perpetrators: "The motivation for the crime or the execution of the crime is unusual—or has otherwise been considered noteworthy" ILoveSmallEdits (talk) 09:29, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

There are not a lot of RS about him. The crime itself is notable, but not a lot. So no. PARAKANYAA (talk) 15:27, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

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Articles for inclusion?

I've read the scope for this project, but compared to that of Wikipedia:WikiProject Law Enforcement, I am unsure if it applies to one, both (or neither?) of Crime in the United Kingdom and Crime statistics in the United Kingdom. I think the former could be covered under "General true crime" but I'm confused as to whether that in fact refers only to biographies. Would they apply to both this project and law enforcement (I see Crime in the United States is part of this project)? Thanks. gilgongo (talk) 14:54, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Crime statistics are in scope because it relates directly to crime. Anything directly related to crime is in scope for the project.

The reason the project is called that is that this project was born out of, in the 2000s, merging WP Crime and WP Criminal Biography. We just never bothered to change the name. Even though the scope is "all crime". PARAKANYAA (talk) 17:37, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

Ah OK. Thanks. The phrase "General true crime" confused me as I'm not sure what an "untrue crime" would be :-) gilgongo (talk) 19:14, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

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Requested move at Talk:Killing of Nguyễn Xuân Đạt#Requested move 29 March 2026

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Killing of Nguyễn Xuân Đạt#Requested move 29 March 2026 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 08:04, 6 April 2026 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Roman Polanski sexual abuse case#Requested move 19 March 2026

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Roman Polanski sexual abuse case#Requested move 19 March 2026 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 12:47, 10 April 2026 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:1991 Austin yogurt shop murders#Requested move 30 March 2026

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:1991 Austin yogurt shop murders#Requested move 30 March 2026 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 04:06, 13 April 2026 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:2023 Los Angeles spree shootings#Requested move 30 March 2026

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2023 Los Angeles spree shootings#Requested move 30 March 2026 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 04:07, 13 April 2026 (UTC)

RfC notification at Talk:January 6 United States Capitol attack

There is an RfC at Talk:January 6 United States Capitol attack § RfC about characterizing the January 6 United States Capitol attack as a coup that may be of interest to this WikiProject. "Should the January 6 United States Capitol attack be characterized a coup d'état or self-coup?" --Minoa (talk) 05:45, 15 April 2026 (UTC)

Atlantic Institution

We're having a disagreement at Talk:Atlantic_Institution#List_of_Residents about one editor's choice to remove the list of incarcerated inmates who have made headlines at the prison -and would appreciate some additional insights and voices. New Yathrib - Fundy Historian (talk) 13:41, 18 April 2026 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Thousand Oaks shooting#Requested move 8 April 2026

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Thousand Oaks shooting#Requested move 8 April 2026 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 01:03, 19 April 2026 (UTC)

Computerized Criminal History

This is really close to WP:TNT. Could someone please fix the issues tagged, or send it to WP:AfD? Bearian (talk) 00:37, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

Death of Zac Brettler

I just created an article for the Death of Zac Brettler. It may be of interest to members of this project. Thriley (talk) 01:44, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

Unlock (charity)

This article is poorly sourced. Please add reliable sources. Bearian (talk) 23:44, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

Rachid Belkacem

I'm not sure if this person was ever notable. What do you think? Bearian (talk) 17:21, 24 April 2026 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Black Act 1723

Black Act 1723 has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 03:08, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Joan Vila Dilmé#Requested move 16 April 2026

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Joan Vila Dilmé#Requested move 16 April 2026 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 11:59, 1 May 2026 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:List of suicides § RfC: Should "List of suicides" be split into chronological subarticles?

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of suicides § RfC: Should "List of suicides" be split into chronological subarticles?.   ▶ I am Grorp ◀ 04:45, 2 May 2026 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Pink Panthers#Requested move 11 May 2026

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Pink Panthers#Requested move 11 May 2026 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Dudzcar (talk) 01:18, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Juan José Esparragoza Moreno#Requested move 7 May 2026

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Juan José Esparragoza Moreno#Requested move 7 May 2026 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 01:43, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:1993 Aurora, Colorado shooting#Requested move 7 May 2026

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:1993 Aurora, Colorado shooting#Requested move 7 May 2026 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Robloxguest3 (talk) 20:16, 14 May 2026 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Ronald dela Rosa#Requested move 14 May 2026

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ronald dela Rosa#Requested move 14 May 2026 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ROY is WAR Talk! 06:25, 16 May 2026 (UTC)

Donovan Drayton

Please update with reliable sources, or nominate it at WP:AfD for merger or deletion. Bearian (talk) 14:37, 17 May 2026 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Casey Cutler

The article Casey Cutler has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Poorly sourced article about an otherwise private individual involved with one incident, and fails the relevant notability guideline about crimes. Tagged for notability concerns for almost 14 years. Lacks significant coverage.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion based on established criteria.

If the proposed deletion has already been carried out, you may request undeletion of the article at any time. Bearian (talk) 18:35, 18 May 2026 (UTC)