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 | On 13 May 2026, it was proposed that this article be moved to Ministry for State Security (East Germany). The result of the discussion was not moved. |
Using John Koehler as a source
editI'm seeing Koehler as a source for much of this article. May I point out that he was a Reagan appointee and US Information Agency official . Academics have critiqued his work saying "surrounds his narrative with the frequently inaccurate generalizations and cliches of the cold war" , and "riddled with errors of historical detail, based on sources which cannot be independently checked, and spiced with spurious quotations and quasi-novelistic insights into long distant occasions with no surviving reliable witnesses" .
As an aside, I'll just mention the Nazi Youth thing, which is weird but forgivable .Stix1776 (talk) 04:52, 10 May 2023 (UTC)
- It's not weird as he grew up in Nazi Germany.--Jack Upland (talk) 04:48, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
Acceptable to add a section on torture and killings by the Stasi?
editThe Stasi was a murderous organization, killing thousands and systematically spreading terror throughout the population of East Germany.
I notice that there is no section explaining the atrocities committed by the Stasi, for which there is extensive documentation.
Any objections to adding such a section? Toddglewis (talk) 14:04, 17 May 2023 (UTC)
- Example:
- https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9665947/Stasis-despicable-torture.html Toddglewis (talk) 13:04, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
- I personally very agree to this, we only need someone with neutrality, knowledge and good sources.
- It is weird how many leftist idolize East Germany as a 'successful socialist state' despite they are no different from the whole Eastern Bloc. Any atrocities should be listed, even in the article you can see civilians at the time call it "Nazi-like". NightJasian (talk) 09:33, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
- The Daily Mail is not a reliable source.--Jack Upland (talk) 01:19, 28 June 2023 (UTC)
Stasi in Finland
edit"The DDR's espionage tentacles reached the highest leadership in Finland.
Documents obtained by Suomen Sotilas magazine reveal that the Stasi had a source within the security police (Supo) and even in president Kekkonen's staff.
The security service of communist East Germany, the Stasi, had sources within the inner circles of the President of the Republic of Finland and the leadership of the Finnish Security and Intelligence Service known as the Supo at least in the early 1980s.
From Kekkonen's inner circle, information was relayed to the Stasi leadership in 1981 about how the president had reacted to the neutral Austria's Social Democratic Chancellor Bruno Kreisky."
Do you think that this is relevant information and knowledge to add in order to improve the article? 194.111.119.48 (talk) 05:57, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
Requested move 13 May 2026
edit- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Sceptre (talk) 19:17, 20 May 2026 (UTC)
Stasi → Ministry for State Security (East Germany) – As discussed above, the name of this article potentially violates WP:NC. In the interest of neutrality 'Stasi' should redirect to the page. YXJL (talk) 19:30, 13 May 2026 (UTC)
- Oppose, the WP:COMMONNAME is clearly Stasi, there is an exception to neutrality for overwhemling common names, WP:NPOVNAME. Also the current requires no disambigution. DankJae 00:43, 17 May 2026 (UTC)
- • Oppose, in the same way that the overwhelming common name for this agency is known by the public as Stasi and "Ministry for State Security" is simply to broad of a title to be used in this article. Eyeofgafeeney (talk) 20:37, 18 May 2026 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. "Stasi" is undeniably the WP:COMMONNAME. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 23:10, 18 May 2026 (UTC)
- Oppose per DankJae. -- asilvering (talk) 10:19, 19 May 2026 (UTC)