Talk:Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades

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Activities edit request

Bnei Brak shooting occurred in 2022. There is currently a typo in the year.

Additionally, in a video statement, Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the April 29, 2022 Ariel settlement drive-by-shooting perpetrated by two Palestinian assailants that claimed the life of an Israeli 23-year old male security guard stationed at the settlement entrance.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/guard-killed-in-w-bank-terror-attack-shielded-girlfriend-with-his-body-saving-her/ https://twitter.com/NewpressPs/status/1520222299483426817?s=20&t=MKee9cKzQj_4Pch4j9mtgg https://twitter.com/KhaledAbuToameh/status/1520224843701968903?s=20&t=MKee9cKzQj_4Pch4j9mtgg

--theraefactor (talk) 15:59, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Strange date

In the last line of the first paragraph of the Militant Activities section, there's a very strange date, namely "0 February 2004". Please explain. Editrite! (talk) 22:11, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

New operations

In 2022 this group had activities like shooting and bombing against isreal occupation force.edit needed to add this new fights. 5.215.103.193 (talk) 18:35, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

As of 2023, al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades operate independently of Fatah and threaten Abbas with military action

Per Al-Jazeera, the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades operate independently of the Fatah and Abbas, even going so far as to call him a "legitimate target" for military action if he fails to relinquish the nominal control he apparently has over one of their departments.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/18/palestinian-authority-cracks-down-on-protests-over-israel-gaza-attacks

SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 17:46, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Pretty interesting. Iskandar323 (talk) 19:10, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

There is a schism between Al Aqsa Martyrs and Abbas, but it is very ambiguous whose side most of Fatah are on. Al Aqsa Martyrs (or people claiming to be them) often use flags and insignia of Fatah, but it is unclear weather the support is mutual. Hamas have repeatedly requested Marwan Barghouti in hostage negotiations.

Ibrahim Nablusi is described as being from Fatah in some English language Palestinian media as if that's uncontroversial. But possibly he was just a Fatah supporter, it could be like the USA where people are "Republican" or "Democrat" for just preferring them to the other major party? LagoonGoose (talk) 17:33, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Maybe this all already got sorted out on other pages? so sorry if this is redundant? I just saw this while trying to work out how to make an edit request. LagoonGoose (talk) 17:35, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Participation in 2023 Israel-Hamas war

The al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades are a major belligerent in the 2023 Israel-Hamas war and its spillover in the West Bank.

Naturally, this would warrant inclusion in the Wikipedia article about them. SaintPaulOfTarsus (talk) 18:32, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Brendan ❯❯❯ Talk 05:01, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

References

Socialism as an ideology of Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades is confusing part of this article

I am very sorry but, is this claim supported by any source? I could not find any info about it. Cactus Ronin (talk) 02:13, 20 October 2023 (UTC)

it appears, from page history, that @64.126.87.110 has added the info socialism in 2014 (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Al-Aqsa_Martyrs%27_Brigades&oldid=593479579) and everyone didnt questioned it, from since then nobody ever provided source for this information. Cactus Ronin (talk) 02:47, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

It's more plausible than secularism, sources say secularism, but I cannot fathom what they mean by it. They're named after a mosque and every public statement I've seen starts by quoting the Quran at length. Possibly it's some nuanced detail about the structure of government? After 4 months of "Hamas are ISIS" I'm too cynical to think it's that nuanced, but I'm not really sure what to think of it. Irtapil (talk) 18:52, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

@Irtapil

Hi there Irtapil.

Secularism in middleeast Cambria difficult subject to research about because unlike Europe or East Asia we do not see any. of time that's relinquished the religious institutions completely in any country in Middle East. this is because the historical consequences and the religiosity of general population that's why the secularism in Middle Eastern politics play a legal and political role rather than cultural one.

As I live in Turkey, let me give examples from my country as I can remember:

• Ataturk declared Turkish Republic as "Islamic Republic" in Teşkilat-ı Esasiye even though CHF (Cumhuriyet Halk Fırkası, predecessor of CHP) was secular. Later the constitution overruled this old law. https://tr.m.wikisource.org/wiki/Te%C5%9Fk%C3%AEl%C3%A2t-%C4%B1_Es%C3%A2s%C3%AEye_Kanunu
• Assembly in Ankara had a wuotation from Quranic surah Shura as a point of legitimacy, this practice only abandoned after the assembly was transferred to a newly built house. https://www.indyturk.com/node/232331/t%C3%BCrkiyeden-sesler/haydi-dan%C4%B1%C5%9F%C4%B1n-g%C3%B6r%C3%BC%C5%9F%C3%BCn-4

Still in modern times many secular, even some communist ones, parties would quote Islamic text and say "Allah" without any intention to adopt Islamic law or enforece Islamic policies of any kind. In fact one of the slogans of opposition was "Düşmez kalkmaz bir Allah, hayır olur inş'Allah" (One who never fails is Allah, let it be veto/blessing by will of Allah) https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=shared&v=B5NgeRp9p2s

So, secularism not in cultural but in purely legal and political form. Except for South Yemen, I really can not even recall any attempt of state atheism in middle east.

Back to Arab World and Palestine, every time secularism was tried in middle-east we will see nationalism and populism being used as a balancing factor as if you can not use religion a cause to unite people, you have to reky on alternatives. Hence why many attempts of secularism around middle east ended up being militaristic and populistic.

There is no proof Fatah wants to establish an Islamic State nor adopt Islamic law, like many other examples around middle-east such as Baathists and Nasserists, they used Islamic sayings and statements to rally people behind their cause in populistic manner.

"After 4 months of "Hamas are ISIS" (propagation)" (Irtapil)

I am not sure how Hamas and Fatah are same organisations, I would be glad to listen if you want to explain what you mean by this. Nonetheless, we, as in encyclopedia editors, should remember WP:SOAPBOX and simple slogans and repeated sentences should not effect the way of our thinking.

If youa re asking about Hamas, not Fatah, yes Hamas is an Islamist organisation as its' aticle also states: Hamas

It is night here, have a good night!

~ Cactus Ronin (talk) 19:27, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Draft Reply - I need to switch to another device, give me a little while to proof read this. Irtapil (talk) 07:42, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 October 2023

it appears, from page history, that @64.126.87.110 has added the info "socialism" to infobox in 2014 (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Al-Aqsa_Martyrs%27_Brigades&oldid=593479579), from since then nobody ever provided source for this information. I request that a citation, a "citation needed" or removal of this erroneous information must be done. Cactus Ronin (talk) 02:51, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

 Done Removed as WP:FAIL. —Sirdog (talk) 07:30, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 November 2023

Please could you remove the paragraph about Sacha Baron Cohen following safety concerns. Jjlevene (talk) 10:07, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

Can you elaborate on why? Note that Wikipedia is not censored. Liu1126 (talk) 11:30, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: no reason given for the proposed removal. M.Bitton (talk) 23:26, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 December 2023

there is a whitespace missing, replace

theEuropean Union

with

the European Union 2A04:EE41:3:39AE:99CE:3E94:807:5682 (talk) 23:45, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

 Done M.Bitton (talk) 18:58, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Infobox & Conflicts

Much like how the al-Qassam Brigades page possesses an infobox and list of engagements, we should add one listing the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades engagements and allies & opponents in them. It should include the Second Intifada, Israel-Gaza Conflict, specific engagements within that in the current war, 2021, 2014, 2012, & 2009. We should list Israel, PA security forces (in 2020s) as opponents & other armed groups (i.e. al-Qassam, Saraya, Abu Ali Mustafa etc.) & PA security forces in the 2000s as allies.

(no if you're wondering they didn't participate in the 2007 Battle of Gaza, iirc) Gavv523 (talk) 21:22, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Removed content

The content added by @Durranistan: and removed by @Dogukeppanohokutotenkachojo: probably should be partially kept or kept with revisions. It was more thoroughly cited than most of what's already here, and certainly less out of date.

Enemy of Israel seems sort of implied?

There was a source for militant allies, and plenty of other pages here have further sources. But skip the dates, i suspect the Hamas alliance might be 2007. They seem to have maybe switched sides when Fatah and Hamas had a minor civil war, but it's a bit hard to tell. So just it as current ally with no date?

Enemy of PA needs a source, but a source probably exists? But it seems to be a bit fluctuating.

I know they're not a listed terror group in Australia, so they was correctly committed, we only list Hamas and PIJ (I think expanding from Al-Qassam to Hamas is recent), not sure about the rest but it should be easy to find and whatever we find it in well likely be a good source for all the unsourced "listed terror group in" on other pages.

Irtapil (talk) 19:16, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Not designated terrorists in Australia

• What I think should be changed: Please remove Australia from "Designated as a terrorist group"

• Why it should be changed: It's not supported by the references in the text, and Australia's list of terrorist organisations doesn't include Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades or Fatah.

• References: Listed terrorist organisations in Australia.

LagoonGoose (talk) 18:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done Skitash (talk) 18:33, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. LagoonGoose (talk) 19:33, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

References

Edit request 13 March 2026

Use of present tense and repetition in 2007 amnesty deal: The end of this section is written in present tense, and I feel is disproportionately detailed and repetitive. Additionally, repeating of claims and use of scare quotes are unnecessary if it is clearly presented as a claim attributed to particular source.

I have put a suggestion below, which is intended to be a clear, neutral, and concise version of the same information.

Diff:

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On 22 August 2007, according to [[Arutz Sheva]], the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades announced that it was backing out of its commitment and promise to refrain from attacks against Israel and the Israeli backed amnesty deal giving amnesty to 178 al-Aqsa gunmen who agreed to stop militant activities against Israel and surrender their weapons. al-Aqsa said that it backed out of the deal due to the IDF's arrest of two militants who were supposed to be on the amnesty list. According to the IDF, they said they caught the two men at a checkpoint and said they were involved in "terrorist activity" which consequently mandated their arrest according to the stipulations of the amnesty deal. Shortly after backing out of the amnesty deal and its promise of stopping to attack Israel that Al Aqsa agreed to a month earlier, al-Aqsa gunmen in Gaza have announced that they are starting to launch hundreds of rockets and mortar shells at Israeli towns and cities and named the campaign, "Hole in the Wall II."

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On 22 August 2007, the al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades announced that it was backing out of the amnesty deal due to the IDF's arrest of two members who had been granted amnesty. al-Aqsa members in Gaza engaged in retaliatory rocket fire aimed at Israel. The IDF claimed that the two men had continued to be engaged in terrorist activity, defending the arrests under to the stipulations of the amnesty deal.

Puddlesofmilk (talk) 18:54, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

 Not done: The use of attribution for Arutz Sheva is entirely reasonable in all cases. There is a significant difference between Wikipedia's neutral editorial voice and the voice of Arutz Sheva. Sean.hoyland (talk) 04:12, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

If your concrete suggestion is to retain "according to Arutz Sheva," that sounds good to me. With respect to attribution, I meant that the IDF claim that arrested men were engaged in terrorist activity is clearly attributed to the IDF, and should not have quotes. Puddlesofmilk (talk) 04:46, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

This okay? claimed->said per MOS:CLAIM. I agree the double attribution to the IDF is probably redundant. Sean.hoyland (talk) 06:48, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

Looks great! I just realized I left a stray "to" in the last sentence.

The text, "under to the stipulations of the amnesty deal" should read "under the stipulations of the amnesty deal." Puddlesofmilk (talk) 15:01, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

 Done Sean.hoyland (talk) 16:11, 14 March 2026 (UTC)