Talk:2025 Pacific hurricane season

Article review

As the reviewer who marked this article as reviewed, also open to restoring redirect / draftying as it's a bit early. However, I think there's little harm in leaving the article as is as well. ~ BlueTurtles | talk 11:01, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

I do think the article was premature. Typically, we wait for the first official forecast before creating the season article, as that is usually the first bit of information that will remain in the finished version of the article. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:28, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

Confirmed Time Zone

Is this page using UTC time or CST/MST time? Because I saw the date and time for all tropical is not same with NTC. Hope somebody just seen the time different. MAS0802 05:48, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

Practice is that specifically stated dates and times are stated according to UTC. General local time/part of the day (ie. that morning, later that same day) can be used so long as it is not is not tied to a specific UTC time, which might be 6 to 12 hours ahead. Drdpw (talk) 13:52, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. MAS0802 06:36, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

Erick Wiki?

Think it deserves one, as its gonna make landfall as a strong c2 or even possibly a major, its also the earilest 5th named storm on record in the epac, so pretty crazy storm. Iggy19899 (talk) 20:28, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Tropical Storm Erick (2025) has already been started. Drdpw (talk) 20:54, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

just make sure to add the fact it is the earilest 5th storm lol, 5 storms by June 17th is absolutely wild! Iggy19899 (talk) 21:09, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

To be inluded in the article, that apparant fact would need to be backed by a reliable secondary source. Drdpw (talk) 04:36, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

"Apparant" fact? Its on the wiki for Pacific hurricane records, if you search it up theres multiple sources, including washitgon post, accu weather, and many more. All it takes is looking brother. I dont have time rn to source it and stuff and im on phone so its a chore, ill do it eventually. Iggy19899 (talk) 05:04, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

do you even know anything about hurricanes? Or do you just edit things because you like editing, if you knew facts you wouldn't be so hesitant on putting things in there.

But you gotta follow wiki strict rules and things because you cant look at facts yourself.

Being editing for 16 years.

Grown ass man btw. Hurricanelover5262 (talk) 16:13, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

@Hurricanehink Sorry to drag you into this mess, but it appears Iggy19899 just created a sockpuppet to agree with themselves in an argument and has no intention of editing productively at all. Just seems like something an administrator should take a look at. JayTee⛈️ 21:16, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

@JayTee32:, that might well be the case. Consider this a general warning to users to remain civil as we engage in discussions to improve the articles. Personal attacks will not be tolerated. Hurricanelover5262, yes, you have to follow Wikipedia's rules, especially when it comes to verification. Just because something is true doesn't mean it can be included in the article. Some true things are also trivial, for what it's worth. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:10, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

Image?

will someone make the season sumary image? SillyNerdo (talk) 20:31, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure who typically does that, but I'd imagine it would be updated some time after Erick officially dissipates so its track would be included as well. Shmego2 (talk) 23:27, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

still not ready tho Aaroncheung 895 (talk) 10:33, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

Dalila wiki?

Will there be a Dalila wiki? Dalila’s damages are around $34 million, what does everyone think? Laursparkly (talk) 05:44, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

It was not all that notable of a Pacific hurricane; it is comfortably well-documented in this article. Drdpw (talk) 14:02, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

You are welcome to start a draft, but Dalila is covered well in the article and there isn't significant coverage on it. Shmego (talk) 14:58, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

yeah Dalila wasn't very notable. $40 million but 1 fatality Jklm45s (talk) 19:05, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

Flossie's tracks don't line up

The track for Flossie's individual track image and in the seasonal summary image don't line up, there's one extra TS dot at the end in the seasonal summary. Zetamewies (talk) 21:21, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Repeated instances of CPAC storm misinformation

Yesterday, there was a small series of edits that made Iona's intensity higher than it truly was, which I corrected. Now, the same was done with Two-C, which I also corrected. The Iona intensity edit was by MAS0802 (probably accidentally using a non-NHC source), and the Two-C edit (also included the unofficial naming of Keli) was done by LandonST, who doesn't have a userpage. If more misinformation pops up, I think the article will need semi-protection or blockage of users who intentionally put misinformation here. CasualCycloneTracker180897 casually tracking cyclones 20:27, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

It happens a lot when editors change/upgrade systems before the information is officially posted by the NHC, frustrating indeed. It is not actual vandalism, so semi-protection or block warnings are not warranted in such cases. Drdpw (talk) 20:57, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Alright, it's just annoying me because I use the public NHC information (from their website) as my primary data source for these things, and seeing information on Wikipedia that doesn't match up with the NHC information is a bit annoying to me. CasualCycloneTracker180897 casually tracking cyclones 21:04, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

NHC Raw Data

Sorry for bothering you. Can NHC's raw data be used as a reference, or is it just unofficial information?

Example: CP, 01, 2025072906, , BEST, 0, 108N, 1526W, 95, 970, HU, 34, NEQ, 60, 50, 50, 60, 1012, 180, 15, 0, 0, C, 0, , 0, 0, IONA, D, 0, , 0, 0, 0, 0, (29 Jul, 0600Z) MAS0802 07:02, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

No, I suggest waiting until the advisory / discussion is posted, and reference them. That has been the practice since before I was around. Drdpw (talk) 08:35, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Alright, thanks. MAS0802 08:43, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

Seasonal track map needs updated

Still only up to Flossie 75.118.29.235 (talk) 21:48, 7 August 2025 (UTC)

It's already updated. StormHunterBryante5467⛈️ 21:34, 8 August 2025 (UTC)

Dalila draft

I made a draft for Tropical Storm Dalila. If anyone wants to edit it, please do it here. Jpuxfrd (talk) 20:26, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

I think it’s gone :( Laursparkly (talk) 00:15, 11 October 2025 (UTC)

@Laursparkly. I redirected it since it was declined by the reviewer and I couldn't find any other information on the storm out there. If you would like to resurrect it go here and under "view history", undo my last revision. Jpuxfrd (talk) 04:33, 11 October 2025 (UTC)

There we go I found it! Laursparkly (talk) 03:16, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

Wait I couldn’t find the undo button, would I need to do this edit on a computer instead? I’m still kinda new to editing 😅 Laursparkly (talk) 03:26, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

Yes, a computer would be necessary. Jpuxfrd (talk) 03:46, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

@Laursparkly you can edit the second latest revision directly to revert it. 🥏FrizzB🥏 13:44, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

Alvin impacts and Dalila death

The NHC claims that: "There were no reports of damage or casualties associated with Alvin." However, other systems (such as Ivo 2019 and Celia 2022) have damage and deaths listed on Wikipedia despite the NHC not attributing any damages or deaths to those systems. The NHC also does not attribute any deaths with Dalila. However, other systems (such as Vicente 2018 and Lester 2022) have more deaths listed on Wikipedia opposed to what is actually stated in their tropical cyclone reports (Vicente has 16 deaths on Wikipedia but the NHC attributes 11 deaths to the storm). I am confused to which systems we should be attributing damages and fatalities (or more fatalities) to despite what the NHC says. Could someone please explain this to me? Jpuxfrd (talk) 23:54, 12 August 2025 (UTC)

The NHC is the definitive source when it comes to storms, their structure, and their history. It doesn’t mean they are a definitive source when it comes to impact, as they rely on a variety of reports to indicate the impacts. It’s not like the NHC is personally doing the reporting or the death counting in Mexico or other countries. So, occasionally the NHC might miss things. Notice the wording of “no reports of damage or casualties”. But they might've missed something, if it was minor, in a foreign language, or the report came out after the TCR. Hope that explains the inconsistency. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 16:35, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

Something that I am still wondering about though is why a fatality was attributed to Celia 2022 on Wikipedia, but not to Alvin and Dalila on Wikipedia. (Even though the NHC claimed that Celia, Alvin, and Dalila didn't cause any deaths). Jpuxfrd (talk) 18:23, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

Well the answer is easy. There is a source saying Celia 22 killed a person in Oaxaca. The NHC doesn’t always get everything when it comes to impacts. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 20:32, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

There's also a source: https://img.clients.aonunited.com/Web/Aon5/%7Bbec1011f-9c5a-426c-93d5-4cd36fb9ac62%7D_20250530-1-cat-alert.pdf?utm_source=slipcase&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=slipcase claiming Alvin killed a person. There's also another source, claiming Dalila killed a person. https://politica.expansion.mx/estados/2025/06/15/tormenta-tropical-dalila-deja-afectaciones-en-guerrero-chiapas-y-michoacan (this one states a man went missing due to Dalila), and https://www.nmas.com.mx/estados/steven-huitrago-de-gonzalez-muere-succionado-coladera-tormenta-tapachula-chiapas-queria-quitar-basura/ (this one says the same man's body was found). What's confusing to me is that why it was decided to attribute a fatality to Celia but not to Alvin and Dalila despite the sources provided. Jpuxfrd (talk) 20:43, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

That could just mean someone didn’t know about those deaths! Since you have sources, feel free to add them and update their respective season articles/sections. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 20:44, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

They were there before, but removed since "Alvin TCR attributes zero deaths to Alvin" and "Dalila TCR attributes zero deaths to Dalila." Jpuxfrd (talk) 20:46, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

For more info see the page's revision history Jpuxfrd (talk) 20:47, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

The main thing I am confused about is why the sources for the Alvin and Dalila deaths were removed but the source for the Celia death was kept. Jpuxfrd (talk) 20:53, 13 August 2025 (UTC)

Alvin draft

I have made a draft for Tropical Storm Alvin. If anyone wants to edit it, please do it here. Jpuxfrd (talk) 02:56, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

37 deaths

This article says 37 deaths occurred due to tropical storms in Mexico, but it doesn’t mention which ones. I think someone should look into it. 68.174.156.117 (talk) 16:16, 12 October 2025 (UTC)

There is quite a lot of uncertainty as to which systems caused the flooding in Mexico. I have seen some sources attributing the flooding to Priscilla, Raymond, Tropical Wave 37 (from the Atlantic), or some or all of those systems. (I have even found some sources attributing the flooding to Jerry). Due to the conflicting sources, at this time, we can only conclude that Priscilla caused zero deaths and Raymond caused two deaths (since there was no expert RS attributing deaths to Priscilla and there was an expert RS attributing two deaths to Raymond). Until the tcrs for both storms are released, the death counts for both storms should be left as they are. Jpuxfrd (talk) 17:57, 12 October 2025 (UTC)

Adding on, check out where these deaths occurred. If they were closer to the coast, you'd have more luck finding sources connecting them with the tropical storms. The deaths listed are in Hidalgo, Puebla, and Veracruz, none of which are along the Pacific coast. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:02, 12 October 2025 (UTC)

At least 44 dead as tropical storms Priscilla and Raymond trigger floods and landslides in Mexico – Firstpost

This source explicitly says it's because of Priscilla and Raymond, though doesn't say which is which - the impacts might overlap too much. That being said, similar to Cyclones Judy and Kevin, a combined article could work, especially with Priscilla's impacts in the SW US. Washse or (talk) 18:17, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

The death toll is up to 67. How about October 2025 Mexico floods? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:43, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

That would probably work. As of now, it seems like most of the deaths from the flooding were in Central Mexico, which were probably more directly caused by Tropical Wave 37 (the tropical wave the nhc noted that just moved into the region). The impacts Priscilla brought don't seem like enough to warrant an article. However, Raymond might be notable enough to warrant an article and someone could could work on the draft if they'd like. Jpuxfrd (talk) 20:21, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

And it looks like we now have October 2025 Mexico floods and landslides. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:30, 13 October 2025 (UTC)

This does directly note the fatality to Priscilla. 128.4.156.70 (talk) 23:01, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

See what Hurricanehink said above about where that death occurred (in Querétaro, which is not on Mexico's Pacific coast). Jpuxfrd (talk) 23:12, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

Hurricane Priscilla brought big rain totals to Utah — and more rain in the forecast | KSL.com

This article seems to link Priscilla to a fatality in utah. 128.4.87.23 (talk) 12:46, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

Then we can include that fatality in Priscilla's death toll Jpuxfrd (talk) 14:30, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

We ought not be too quick to attribute the death to Priscilla, as the above article attributes the death to "Strong winds with the cold front". Attribution may need to wait until the storm's TCR is published. Drdpw (talk) 15:29, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

That probably might be correct unfortunately. Honestly, the impacts of Priscilla/Raymond are so messy both in Mexico and the US that while they both seem to have potential to be notable enough for an article, we should probably wait for a TCR to confirm. 128.4.156.174 (talk) 16:25, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

Mario merge

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There is a consensus against merging. Merging Mario would make the season article too long. (non-admin closure) Jpuxfrd (talk) 17:10, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

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This article Tropical Storm Mario (2025) has been created, but it is under 12,000 bytes and there is no more information there than on the main page. I think it should be merged, but I don't know how to start a merge discussion. Just wanted to bring this up, Shmego2 (talk) 00:57, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

Weak Support - Although there may be more information out there on the storm, I feel like the article as it is now could be merged. The article itself was created rather quickly and didn't spend much time as a draft. Jpuxfrd (talk) 02:12, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

Comment - Also @Shmego2, to start an official merge discussion just put this: {{merge from | article you want to merge | date=October 2025}} at the top of the destination page, and {{merge to | destination page | date=October 2025}} at the top of the article you want to merge. Jpuxfrd (talk) 02:14, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

Support - The storm appears to have had minimal impact, and the season article appears to cover the the storm quite well. Drdpw (talk) 02:20, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

Support why was there a page made for this? Mario was not notable RedAmi! (talk) 16:28, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

Update I added more information not previously in the season article to the TS Mario article. Now I don't think it would just "fit" in the storm section. --Whaswash23 (talk) 16:53, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

Actually, I still feel toward supporting the merge, even though you did add stuff, not much was added and I feel it could still be merged. RedAmi! (talk) 17:04, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

I added a little mire information, now the article is over 15,000 bytes. Not saying a merge is impossible, but it's going to be tough to contain all the information in the article without something being chopped out. Whaswash23 (talk) 17:17, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

Alright, with the new stuff added, I feel Mario can Keep it's standalone article. The meteorological history section may need to be expanded a bit though. RedAmi! (talk) 17:53, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

Support I feel the AfC acceptance was a bit premature as well HurricaneZeta (T) (C) 17:16, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

• Keep - at this point, the season article is probably getting too long. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 17:40, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

  I don't think the impacts are big enough to warrant its own article, though HurricaneZeta (T) (C) 17:56, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

  @HurricaneZeta: the season article is already over 6,200 words, and that's with several sections being on the short side for some hurricanes and major hurricanes. I was already thinking Mario could have an article, due to its somewhat complex met history and its impacts. Given that it caused a fatality, and that none of the other storms in the season seem likely to get an article, I think the impacts are significant and detailed enough to keep the sub-article. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:29, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

  @Hurricanehink Well I guess it needs expansion if it is to be kept HurricaneZeta (T) (C) 20:04, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

• Keep, this storm seems notable enough for its own article with the meteorological history impacts, corrected 03:15 October 16, and this article is getting fairly long. However, if the article is kept, it would require expansion. Hurricane Wind and Fire (talk) 20:40, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

Keep per Hurricanehink. Needs expansion in met history but seems notable enough. 🥏FrizzB🥏 13:33, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

Update Mario caused at least 9.7 million USD in damages. 🥏FrizzB🥏 14:18, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

I don't think $9.7m was the damage total, it was just listed in the aftermath so we can't use it. 128.4.111.231 (talk) 17:56, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

There is a difference between donations and fix repair costs. 🥏FrizzB🥏 19:56, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

• Weak keep with the new stuff added, still needs expansion HurricaneZeta (T) (C) 17:57, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

Keep per Hurricanehink. Jpuxfrd (talk) 21:54, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

I'd say Neutral, I mean Mario isn't too notable but then again a bunch of other storms like that have articles. Also, this article is long as heck already, merging it would be a pain. Jklm45s (talk) 01:47, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

Keep - i would say keep the article. Just like what Jklm45s said, there are multiple systems similar to Mario and have their separate articles. If any more information needs to be added then it should be done. But that's just my opinion. ZonResearcher (talk) 18:36, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

Comment-Another thing- Alvin did less damage and got an article. Jklm45s (talk) 19:00, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

Comment - im assuming Alvin had its article as a draft and just recently got approved. Otherwise ill consider Alvin a notable system ZonResearcher (talk) 21:53, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

Comment I approved the Alvin draft since its effects were fairly broad and the sourcing was good. Mario was a draft as well HurricaneZeta (T) (C) 02:49, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Comment - Alvin spend a decent time as a draft and as pointed out, it was recently approved. Also, Alvin killed more people than Mario. Jpuxfrd (talk) 22:10, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

Comment - Oh... Jklm45s (talk) 19:37, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

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Raymond Article

So couple days ago I created a Draft for Tropical Storm Raymond. If anyone would like to edit it, click here. Ajs757 (talk) 00:43, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

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Summary

Hi! Just like we are doing with the Atlantic, let’s try making a summary for when the season ends, assuming no storms form.

Put what your ideas are for a summary below! Jiiiiiiiii (talk) 15:21, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

The 2025 Pacific Hurricane was an above average season, with 20 tropical cyclones, all of which became named storms. The season featured an above-average 11 hurricanes, the most since 2018; however, the season only had 4 major hurricanes, an average number. The season overall featured an above average ACE at <whatever number the NHC finalizes>.

probably not perfect but a good starting point I think AutisticLoser (talk) 16:46, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

maybe change the final bit about the ACE to "slightly above average" or even "near average", sources differ on whether a high 120 ACE in the EPAC is near or slightly above average AutisticLoser (talk) 16:56, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

Mario death?

In this edit, Drdpw (talk · contribs) removed the Mario death, with the rationale that it wasn't in the TCR. However, the NCDC and several other reliable sources connect the death with Mario. Does anyone have any strong feelings about this? Tropical cyclone reports don't always get all of the impacts. They're primarily for showing the storm's best track intensity, and the rationale for that. I don't believe the NHC is the be-all-end-all for impacts, so I wanted to get thoughts on it, rather than reverting. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:38, 16 December 2025 (UTC)

Unless tcrs explicitly state that the deaths weren't caused by that storm (such as Barry and the Texas floods), I agree with the rationale that the NHC doesn't have time to check every new station or source, plus they tend to skip over precursor tropical waves or post-tropical remnants. Jpuxfrd (talk) 21:19, 19 December 2025 (UTC)

Dalia draft(new)

Someone can create a draft for Dalia please? Jiiiiiiiii (talk) 21:58, 18 December 2025 (UTC)

@Jiiiiiiiii other editors are unlikely to create a new draft at your request, but I'm sure someone would be interested. You could also ask to work on a collaboration.

Also, you don't necessarily have to create a new draft, we could just remove the redirect from Draft:Tropical Storm Dalila (2025) and start drafting there. You are more likely to get a diverse set of eyes if the draft is submitted by the end of December, because there is an articles for creation backlog drive this month. 🌀Hurricane Wind and Fire (talk) (contribs)🔥 22:46, 18 December 2025 (UTC)

The draft created was subsequently rejected for publication. The Dalila section in this article is where the full storm story will be told. Drdpw (talk) 22:50, 18 December 2025 (UTC)

:@Jiiiiiiiii I have restored Dalila in case you or anyone else would like to work on it.Jpuxfrd (talk) 21:10, 19 December 2025 (UTC)

Split proposal for Dalia?

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The result of this discussion was not split. Consensus is currently against splitting Dalila's section into a separate article and there is no support (aside from a block evader) for the proposal. HurricaneZeta^C 17:57, 26 December 2025 (UTC)

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• Support split. Dalia was a notable storm that caused a death and $39.4 million in damage, the merged draft had 50 references, and the section for Dalia is quite bloated, which is pushing this article up to a borderline-long 6600 words. --~2025-41888-19 (talk) 19:19, 19 December 2025 (UTC)

• Weak oppose, after doing a couple different searches, I could not find any evidence of WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE. I'm also on the fence whether or not the storm will have a WP:LASTING impact. I do recognize there are size issues with this article, and I might change to a weak support if more substantial, important information is added into this article. 🌀Hurricane Wind and Fire (talk) (contribs)🔥 20:44, 19 December 2025 (UTC)

• Neutral, The notability of the storm is still unclear. I can see the argument for splitting Dalila as its section is quite large and may be getting too long to read for some. The impacts the storm brought were significant, but coverage of the storm seems to be limited. While not splitting Dalila would make its section on the long side, the season article's word count isn't close to or over 8,000. Jpuxfrd (talk) 21:00, 19 December 2025 (UTC)
• :Neutral per Jfuxprd. The notability is not clear as of now to make a clear decision. RedAmi! (talk) 18:22, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

  Support If Alvin, which was less damaging, has an article, why doesn’t Dalila? Jiiiiiiiii (talk) 19:00, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

  @Jiiiiiiiii note just because Alvin has an article doesn't mean Dalila deserves an article. 🌀Hurricane Wind and Fire (talk) (contribs)🔥 19:04, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

  Also, there is no minimum amount of damage or deaths that a storm has to do to warrant an article. What makes articles is the amount of notable information available. Jpuxfrd (talk) 19:06, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

  Oh. Jiiiiiiiii (talk) 19:07, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

  Oppose Not notable. Little damage, and little to no deaths. Not enough to have an article. RedAmi! (talk) 16:53, 22 December 2025 (UTC)

  Oppose per Jpuxfrd, Hurricane Wind and Fire, and RedAmi. Cyclones having articles isn’t based on damage, but on notable info available. I would’ve supported a split if the article was 8,000 words or longer, but it’s only 6,600 words long, so I oppose. Jiiiiiiiii (talk) 17:56, 22 December 2025 (UTC)

• Neutral per Jpuxfrd, it still has unclear notability so far. Sertymop (talk) 15:13, 26 December 2025 (UTC)

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The main season article has to be trimmed down

Dalila's section is one of the main reasons why this season's article has to be trimmed down. I believed that if we like do that as well to the other storms, the season article has got to be somewhat long. XanthTheEditor (talk) 00:42 21 December 2025 (UTC)

Who said that the season needs to be trimmed down? Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 16:54, 22 December 2025 (UTC)

Arizona fatality

I found this saying either Priscilla or Raymond caused a fatality in Arizona, but it’s not specific. Where should we add it to this article? ~2026-45941-7 (talk) 21:10, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

It's already included in Raymond's article. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:17, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

ACE?

I just noticed this edit. @AutisticYapper: - what is the source for the ACE? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:34, 29 January 2026 (UTC)

it's already in the article in other places I believe, but it's from combining the EPAC proper ( https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/data/tcr/index.php?season=2025&basin=epac ) and CPAC ( https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/data/tcr/index.php?season=2025&basin=cpac ) ACE totals on the NHC website. AutisticYapper (talk) 15:43, 29 January 2026 (UTC)

similar story to my edit in the Atlantic Hurricane Season article, just something that hadn't been updated for whatever reason. That one is just the North Atlantic version of the page I listed ( https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/data/tcr/index.php?season=2025&basin=atl ) AutisticYapper (talk) 15:45, 29 January 2026 (UTC)

Be sure to add the source to the article then, thanks! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:54, 29 January 2026 (UTC)

it's already in the background part of the season summary section, wasn't listed in the lead where I did the edit so I kinda figured the sources were just not being listed there for some reason or another. Will keep in mind in the future tho! AutisticYapper (talk) 15:56, 29 January 2026 (UTC)

My mistake, I missed it there! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:58, 29 January 2026 (UTC)