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WikiProject Malaysia, the Developing Countries WikiContest will be returning for a second year, and sign-ups are now open! The contest will run from 1 July to 30 September, and the objective remains the same: improve as many articles relating to developing countries as you can to help fight systemic bias on Wikipedia.

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Requested move at Talk:United Kingdom–European Union relations#Requested move 20 June 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:United Kingdom–European Union relations#Requested move 20 June 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. --MikutoH ^talk! 21:58, 20 June 2025 (UTC)

Standardized Languages for Infoboxes

To ensure consistency in West Malaysian-related Wikipedia articles, I propose that infoboxes should consistently include Malay, Simplified Chinese, and Tamil with their respective romanizations.

What to include:

Malay (Rumi script) is the national and official language of Malaysia, as established by Article 152 of the Federal Constitution. It is the primary language used in government. Since it serves as the primary language of governance and formal communication, its inclusion in Wikipedia infoboxes should be on top of all other languages. Malay (Jawi Script) should also be included in Malaysia-related infoboxes because it is an official script in many states, such as Kelantan, Terengganu, and Pahang. Jawi has deep historical roots in for the Malay language, having been the primary script for Malay before colonial rule. It continues to be used in government and taught in schools. This should also apply to Sabah and Sarawak.

Simplified Chinese (简体中文) and Pinyin (汉语拼音) is used as the official writing system of Malaysia’s Chinese community, which constitutes a the second largest ethnicity. While Chinese is not an official language, Simplified Chinese is used as the medium of instruction in many Chinese-language primary schools and is used in the Unified Examination Certificate (UEC). Simplified Chinese is also used in Malaysian media, with major newspapers such as Sin Chew Daily, China Press, and Nanyang Siang Pau, as well as TV networks like 8TV and Astro AEC, broadcasting in Mandarin. Given its widespread use, the inclusion Simplified Chinese in Wikipedia infoboxes should be 2nd below Malay. This should also apply to Sabah and Sarawak.

Tamil (தமிழ்) and its romanization should be included as it is the primary language of the Indian Malaysian community, the third largest community in Malaysia. There are over 500 Tamil primary schools in Malaysia where it remains a strong medium of instruction. Tamil newspapers like Malaysia Nanban and Tamil Nesan serve the Tamil-speaking community. Including Tamil as the 3rd language below Simplified Chinese in Wikipedia infoboxes acknowledges its role as a major language in Malaysia. This is unnecessary Sabah and Sarawak due to a lack of a sizable Indian Malaysian community.

What not to include:

Traditional Chinese (繁體中文) should not be used in Malaysia-related infoboxes because Simplified Chinese is the standard script used by Malaysian Chinese speakers since 1981. Similarly to Singapore, where infoboxes do not include traditional Chinese characters, Mandarin education in Malaysia follows the Simplified Chinese system, and major newspapers, TV channels, and government translations primarily use Simplified Chinese. While some older generations and specific cultural or religious texts may use Traditional Chinese, it is not the dominant script. Standardizing Simplified Chinese ensures consistency and better accessibility for most Chinese-speaking Malaysians.

Chinese dialects and their romanizations should not be included in Malaysia-related infoboxes because they lack a standardized written form and are not commonly used in official contexts. While dialects like Hokkien, Cantonese, and Hakka are widely spoken among Malaysian Chinese communities, they are primarily oral languages. Written communication, media, and education in Malaysia predominantly use Mandarin in Simplified Chinese script. Guotaian (talk) 10:53, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

Our previous discussions have reached a consensus on including by default just Rumi Malay and English. Malay is the only official language, and we include English because this is en.wiki. Additional languages are added when directly relevant to the subject, such as a BLP where the subject often uses a name in a different script. CMD (talk) 11:50, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

However, most articles of places (eg. City, towns, states) have multiple languages. The standardization that I am suggesting should be practiced when it comes to their Infoboxes' language section. Guotaian (talk) 13:33, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

The usual standard is just Malay and English, if there are others you can remove them. CMD (talk) 15:46, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

I tried to do that but editors were not happy and blocked me. I want set a clear consensus on languages. Guotaian (talk) 09:31, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

The consensus on this goes back to at least 2011. It's best to raise it on talkpages if there is a dispute. CMD (talk) 09:38, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

@HundenvonPenang Please explain why you did not follow this consensus and banned me for 1 month. Guotaian (talk) 10:18, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

It's probably because that George Town is an exception to all major cities (very likely Taiping would be another case), where Jawi usage is very limited, or perhaps little to none. gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 12:35, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

I understand that some areas of Malaysia has a higher percentage of Chinese or indians, but consensus should still be followed by only placing Malay (rumi and jawi) and English names only. Hello top 1123 (talk) 12:40, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

The consensus is to remove Jawi. CMD (talk) 12:53, 22 February 2025 (UTC)

Can other scripts (Jawi, Hanzi and Tamil) be included for religious places like mosques and temples? AyyanD (talk) 01:32, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

My reading of MOS:FOREIGNEQUIV would be that if a particular language/script is very relevant to an institution ("If the subject of the article is closely associated with"), then it should be included to help readers with identification. This should be easy enough to show by, for example, a picture of the institution showing its name prominently written in one or more languages. CMD (talk) 04:20, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

Coming from an editor who had been blocked twice (more recently for a completely unrelated case) for disregarding WP:CONS, this accusation made in bad faith isn't surprising. What was intriguing was the other account in support. Reported to WP:SPI. hundenvonPG (talk) 09:44, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Well in honesty I disapprove with how sudden and very obstructive the change is, especially when the user in particular stampedes into the scene and tramples with the current structures. gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 06:52, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

There are certain locations (such as the city centre of Penang) where its "official" English name isn't used as widely as its local names. Certain parts of the city are too fragmented, to the point where each ethnicity refers to the city centre in a completely different way (The Malays refer to it as "Tanjung", while the Chinese refers to it as "Phou-tae"). My suggestion, if such a removal be made, is to expand or create an "etymology" section just to strike a balance between these two issues. gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 06:56, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

@Guotaian's mass removal of different names in the section certainly is the justified "standardisation" but it is a certain (or perhaps, a rather troubling) inconvenience when some of these locations are identified based on these names rather than the English name. I'm not pointing any fingers but I'm not very satisfied with the 2011 consensus. gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 06:59, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

I, for one, am inclined to agree with PenangLion, particularly how so-called "consensus" was assumed (through bad faith accusations and sockpuppeteering).

There isn't any hard and fast stipulation in MOS:PLACE, only that "languages with no particular present-day or historical ties to the place in question should not be listed as alternatives".

WP:CCC, and massive Malaysia-wide changes would need more extensive discussions involving all active Malaysia-based editors, not just the ones in this section which misses out certain nuances regarding topics about Malaysia. hundenvonPG (talk) 07:35, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

And as for @Guotaian he still went over. Cchww1384 (talk) 05:59, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

If this many people disagree with the consensus then perhaps it's time to reassess the consensus. DervotNum4 (talk) 19:06, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

DervotNum4 may be right here; disagreements continue to grow against the current consensus.

On the other hand, I suspect there may be ethno-linguistic interests at play in each of the affected Malaysian articles, which in normal circumstances, would have been regulated by existing WP guidelines.

If the addition of other languages than Malay (officially in Rumi script) is to be revisited, in my opinion, there has to be a halfway point for all interested editors, i.e. additional scripts to be determined on a state-by-state or locality basis. hundenvonPG (talk) 11:23, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi @HundenvonPenang , for the penang and georgetown article, I would like to add other transcription which is malay chinese and tamil. But now I won't add traditional chinese, chinese dialect, but I will add malay name, jawi, simplified chinese, hanyu pinyin, tamil and it's romanize name. Is it ok? Because everytime no matter what I edit u confirm reverted it😅 that's why I dun like edit in English wikipedia compare to other languages as no matter what I edit u confirm revert it😅 that's why I need to reply u to ask for the permission first😅 Foryou42686 (talk) 12:30, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Foryou42686,

1. If you think English WP runs on the approval of select few editors, it merely shows your lack of understanding of how WP really functions. Please read WP:CON.

2. Where do you think WP originates from? English is the original, and global, language, so don't you think it is only natural that standards are more stringent in EN WP?

3. For the record, I may not agree with the current consensus as per above, but that does not mean changes should be railroaded unilaterally. Please bring up your suggestions and obtain consesnsus here firsthand.

hundenvonPG (talk) 10:30, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Exactly, I did it in malay and chinese wikipedia page, nobody remove my changes. But when I did it in english wikipedia, the editor remove my changes immediately. Sometimes I felt that the editor in English wikipedia are much more extreme than chinese and malay wikipedia editor😅 Foryou42686 (talk) 12:26, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

I Agree, this is getting out of control, the placenames in Malaysia should prioritize Malay (both Jawi and Rumi) and English as well as indigenous languages of the country, the rest are not important. 60.50.34.175 (talk) 02:37, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Mariamman temple Kg.Sungai Bakau

The article Mariamman temple Kg.Sungai Bakau has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Tagged as Unreferenced for more than 13 years. No other language has an article from which to translate. No hits on Google news, books, or scholar. Run of the mill, small temple.

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Requested move at Talk:Proton GEN•2#Requested move 7 July 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Proton GEN•2#Requested move 7 July 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 09:09, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Mahathir spammer

There is a rotating IP user who has spent months adding mentions of Mahathir and deleting mentions of other prime ministers from both articles and even talkpages . If you see an odd addition/removal relating to a prime minister please revert it. CMD (talk) 04:04, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Annh07, FYI this is the IP that has been disrupting the Mahathir Mohamad page itself as well as those related. CMD (talk) 04:34, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Annh07 (talk) 04:52, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

I have a hunch the spammer actively removes mentions of Hussein Onn...strangely (Gubir shootdown as an example). gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 09:42, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

They do, they remove Hussein Onn, Najib Razak, and Anwar Ibrahim, either by deleting the relevant text or changing their names to "government". CMD (talk) 09:48, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Need help improving sandbox draft on 24-hour self-service dog boarding facility

Hi! I’ve written a new draft article in my sandbox: User:Fienkie84/sandbox.

It’s about a certified 24-hour self-service dog boarding facility in Miri, Malaysia.

I have a conflict of interest (I’m affiliated), so I’m looking for help from neutral editors to improve the tone, formatting, and references so that it meets Wikipedia’s standards.

The topic has been covered by Free Malaysia Today, The Borneo Post, and is recognized by the Malaysia Book of Records.

Would anyone be willing to take a look or help improve it? Thank you so much! Fienkie84 (talk) 03:19, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Institut Pendidikan Guru Kampus Tun Abdul Razak

The article Institut Pendidikan Guru Kampus Tun Abdul Razak has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Tagged as Unreferenced for 12+ years. No other language has a reliably sourced article from which to translate. This school appears to be non-notable.

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New header tab

Am I allowed to add a new header in the headers section—an Assessment header? It would be very helpful to WikiProject members for improving articles covered by the WikiProject. Toffee Dude ^talk 08:30, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

I have added the Assessment tab to the header template. Please feel free to consult me if I have done anything wrong for the template. Toffee Dude ^talk 09:02, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Apam balik#Requested move 1 October 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Apam balik#Requested move 1 October 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 11:47, 15 October 2025 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Sabah

Sabah has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 03:33, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

Discussion about WikiProject banner templates

For WikiProjects that participate in rating articles, the banners for talk pages usually say something like:

• "This article has been rated as Low-importance on the importance scale."

There is a proposal to change the default wording on the banners to say "priority" instead of "importance". This could affect the template for your group. Please join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council#Proposal to update wording on WikiProject banners. Stefen 𝕋ower ^{Huddle • Handiwerk} 19:45, 6 December 2025 (UTC) (on behalf of the WikiProject Council)

Dance in Malaysia

Please add reliable sources. Bearian (talk) 05:09, 7 December 2025 (UTC)

Malay speaker needed

Please see Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Anwar Ibrahim book. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:47, 7 December 2025 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Kuching

Kuching has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 13:33, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Nicol David

Nicol David has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 14:00, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

Idea labs section about using British English templates for ENGVAR in regards to Englishes of Commonwealth/Former colonies

Hello! I am aware Template:Use Malaysian English was deleted.

There is now a broader discussion about the usage of British English templates for ENGVAR in regards to Englishes of Commonwealth/Former colonies at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(idea_lab)#Use_British_English_templates WhisperToMe (talk) 21:40, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

Add sources for Malaysian Article

I noticed that some of the articles has been AfD because of the lack of sources, but these article actually have the sources, even though no too many sources can be added, especially the highway article.

The common problems are these article already more than 15 years no sources or updated.

Lets talk about the highway topic, most of the articles created by User:Aiman abmajid/User:Malaysiana85 and User:Hezery99, which two of them passed away. After two of Malaysian Wikipedian passed away, some Malaysian route articles are not updated and some articles AfD by numerous Wikipedian, especially User:4meter4.

To prevent the articles become huge potentially AfD, update the articles as you can, and add at least one sources. DiaoBaoHuaJian (talk) 04:53, 29 December 2025 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Masjid Zahir#Requested move 26 December 2025

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Masjid Zahir#Requested move 26 December 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vestrian24Bio 04:21, 2 January 2026 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Thalapathy Thiruvizha – Jana Nayagan Audio Launch#Requested move 1 January 2026

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Thalapathy Thiruvizha – Jana Nayagan Audio Launch#Requested move 1 January 2026 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vestrian24Bio 13:19, 12 January 2026 (UTC)

Community Engagement Survey: Malaysian National Wikimedia Conference

Hi WikiProject Malaysia editors,

The purpose of this survey is to help conference organisers plan a national-level Wikimedia conference in Malaysia for the community in the second half of 2026.

Your responses will help organisers understand what level of demand there is for the event (how many people in your community think it is important that the event happens) and begin to get consensus on what topics are important to this community.

The survey is bilingual in Malay and English. You can fill out the survey in either of the two languages. Please fill out and share the survey until 00:00 UTC+08:00, 25 January 2026 (Monday).

The survey is conducted by Wikimedia Community User Group Malaysia (persidangan@wikimedia.org.my).

Survey link:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfLI5CVmF-MH_p0PO2XKKohk8Uip5t-SH83F34GXIwzA4jyng/viewform

Best regards, Dody Ismoyo (talk) 06:21, 18 January 2026 (UTC)

I Can See Your Voice Malaysia (Chinese language)

Hey, i've recently created a Malaysian Mandarin-language adaptation of I Can See Your Voice, but there's a problem — the 1st and 2nd seasons were missing of recaps and mystery singer names. If someone interests on that game show, please contribute these pages urgently. Saisønisse (talk) 09:19, 2 February 2026 (UTC)

Splitting proposal at Talk:Kampong#Splitting_proposal

Please come join the discussion at Talk:Kampong#Splitting_proposal, this is in regards to the Cambodian section, but your input would be greatly appreciated. TansoShoshen (talk) 21:50, 3 February 2026 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of 2006 Astro Wah Lai Toi Drama Awards

The article 2006 Astro Wah Lai Toi Drama Awards has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Tagged as Unreferenced for 2 years. No other language has a reliably sourced article from which to translate. I conducted several researches online in English, and found no reliable sources.

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Proposed deletion of Order of precedence in Malacca

The article Order of precedence in Malacca has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

WP:DICDEF

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Requested move at Talk:Chinese independent high school

An editor has requested that Chinese independent high school be moved to Chinese independent high school (Malaysia), which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. Whyiseverythingalreadyused (t · c · he/him) 09:38, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

Join Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026 – Create New Articles & Win Prizes

Hello WikiProject Malaysia Members,

You are warmly invited to participate in Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026 on the English Wikipedia.

This campaign focuses on improving content related to Ramadan, its history, traditions, culture, heritage, notable events, and global observances.

You can participate by creating new articles related to Ramadan and its associated topics. Your contributions will help bridge content gaps and improve coverage of Islamic culture and history on English Wikipedia.

There are also International Prizes for eligible participants.

Please visit the project page for full details, timeline, and guidelines: Wikipedia:Wiki Loves Ramadan 2026

We look forward to your participation. Warm Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 09:06, 26 February 2026 (UTC)