Wikipedia talk:Moving a page

Curly apostrophe in Behzod Yoʻldoshev

The title Behzod Yoʻldoshev includes a curly apostrophe (otherwise known as the Devil's work). I went to Move it to Behzod Yo'ldoshev, but the system won't let me as it tells me the target name is the same as the source name. It seems to think that curly and straight apostrophes (and presumably quotes) are identical. Yet the straight version still shows up as a redlink. Huh? What manner of devilry is this?

Can someone please move it, but also do whatever it takes to fix the system so that, at least in titles of articles, curly and straight quotes are differentiated? Thanks -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 06:04, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

I saw no error messages, it was moved so  Done. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 07:56, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 11:58, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

@Redrose64 and JackofOz: That is not an apostrophe. It's a different character, a diacritic used in the Uzbek language, and the move was reverted the next month. (It is called a Modifier letter turned comma.) At least one of the cited sources includes the diacritic. It's good to have the resulting redirect, but using an apostrophe would not be correct in this case. Please see MOS:DIACRITICS. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:44, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

It got moved back eight months ago, so what's the current problem? --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 19:47, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

The problem with that article is not current; I provided the remark in case someone here might have not noticed the revert and remained unaware that some things that look like apostrophes are not apostrophes. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 01:30, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Marked as minor

Why are page moves marked as minor edits? I would think that changing the article's name would be a very significant edit if anything. Dreykop (talk) 06:19, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

I agree. It's very strange to consider changing the name of an article as minor. I was surprised to look back in my edit history and see page moves marked as minor. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:20, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

Technically, moves are logged at Special:Log/move. The minor mark on specific revision only indicates that the body text has no changes. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 19:55, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

I wonder, do page moves show up on watchlists for those who opt to hide minor edits? Dreykop (talk) 03:36, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Yes, they would, because of the associated log entry generated by a page move. The minor null edit in a page history made by a page move does not and never has appeared in watchlists, no matter the user's settings; before the watchlist log functionality was added in April 2008, page moves never appeared on a user's watchlist at all. Graham87 (talk) 04:40, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

For the sake of completeness, while I'm talking about what is now old Wikipedia history, I'll point out that both the null edit in the page history of the move target and the move log entry were added in June 2005 in the MediaWiki 1.5 upgrade, hence the earliest move log entries being from that time. Graham87 (talk) 04:47, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Large number of subpages

While attempting to move a page, it gives an option "Move subpages (up to 100)". What is the process if the number of subpages is large (>300)? Jay 💬 16:23, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

@Jay: You can move the page with 100 subpages, then move the page back again, then move it again with the next 100 subpages, and so on. Disclaimer: I've never had the rights to try this, but have seen other editors do it while monitoring the portal namespace. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:48, 4 February 2025 (UTC)

Moving a page

Can someone please move the page Minister for National Defence of Lithuania to Minister of National Defence of Lithuania? Lietuva890 (talk) 11:57, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Wrong forum, this talk page is to discuss the help guide. Instead use WP:RM. I see that you moved the draft at the correct title to an article at the incorrect title without waiting for an AfC reviewer to accept the draft and move the page. Jay 💬 12:10, 15 February 2025 (UTC)

Recent edit re "revision" vs "entry"

@BarrelProof:: I don't have any problem in principle with your edit here because "entry" is probably the absolute clearest word in this case, but I think it's worth pointing out that the word "revision" is often a synonym for edit here; for example, in the Wikipedia database, each edit has an entry in the revision table. Graham87 (talk) 15:32, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

At some point I interpreted the statement as saying that a redirect could be created and then revised once without blocking something else from being moved to that location, because creating something is not "revising" it. That interpretation was not correct. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:16, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

Question about moving a page to fix a conjunction/symbol

Hello! I have a question regarding the page Fairmont Hotels and Resorts. The legal filings for this business, as well as their own branding(s), utilize an ampersand in lieu of "and." Even the page itself uses the ampersand in almost all instances (I edited 3 or so of the instances that did not just recently for the sake of uniformity). Should the title of the page be changed to reflect this, as well? It seems like overkill to force users through a redirect, but I am unaware if there is some method of performing a simple page rename without necessitating a full move and redirect. Deferring to those with more knowledge about this topic. Thank you for your assistance in this matter! Top5a (talk) 01:52, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

When you move a page, a redirect will automatically be created from the old title to the new title. And it's fine to have links to redirects, like that's the whole point of redirects. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 02:04, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for the rapid reply! OK, I just think that redirects feel "messy," even though that's how wiki software is structured. If you don't mind me asking, do you think a page move in this type of situation is warranted? I am just curious, as I have never moved a page before. Top5a (talk) 02:13, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

If that is how they present themselves (I haven't looked into it but take your word on it), then it's acceptable as per MOS:&, which says retain an ampersand when it is a legitimate part of the style of a proper noun, the title of a work, or a trademark, such as in Up & Down or AT&T. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 02:17, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

OK, thank you! Hm, I did a little more digging, and noticed that it is also part of Category:Fairmont Hotels and Resorts... which I am assuming would be a major PITA to also alter for consistency, so I think I will leave this alone. Thank you for your responses, btw, and best of luck with your studies! Cheers! Top5a (talk) 02:24, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

It is fine to move it if you want, the categories can be handled by a bot via WP:CFDS. And thank you too! —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 02:27, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! OK, I will give this a try. Top5a (talk) 02:35, 18 May 2025 (UTC)

Requested move 9 November 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. It's pretty clear that this won't be moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Z E T A³ 15:30, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Moving a page → Wikipedia:MovingWikipedia:Moving –

• All similar Wikipedia pages only use the "-ing" form and don't specify "a page", "two pages", etc. For example, we don't have WP:Merging two pages, we have WP:Merging; we don't have WP:Splitting two pages, we have WP:Splitting; we have WP:Section moving and WP:History merging...
• This page doesn't just cover pages. In § Other move procedures, it explains how to move categories, files, redirects, etc. I think we can all agree a category or file isn't a "page".
• This page doesn't just cover single moves, as "moving a page" would imply. For example, it explains how to move multiple subpages of Talk pages, portal, and other subpages in general.

Wikipedia:MovingWikipedia:Moving solves all of these issues. FaviFake (talk) 11:30, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: Not sure what I think about the proposal itself, but I for one don't agree that a category or a file isn't a page. Neither does the MediaWiki glossary, Special:Allpages, or the page table. But I don't have a problem with the substance of this related edit, despite disagreeing with its edit summary. Graham87 (talk) 14:34, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
  • Well as for files, it's complicated, because they have description pages (the things in the file namespace) and they can also be linked to from the virtual namespace "media". Special pages are also called pages, but they're automatically generated and can't be moved. Graham87 (talk) 14:41, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
  • Well, sure. But if this how-to aims to be easily understandable for relatively unexperienced users, I think avoiding the technical meaning of the word helps. For example, one might ignore this page because they don't consider the video they want to rename as a "page". FaviFake (talk) 14:56, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
  • If you want to be pedantic, a category is not a page either. The MediaWiki glossary as well as our own says that a category is a "collection of pages", not a page. In particular "Category:A" is the collection of pages that contain the tag [[Category:A]] (see Help:Category#Summary for an explanation of how it works). The category exists any time someone adds the category tag to a page even if the category page does not exist (in practice per WP:REDNOT we don't allow that to happen). Warudo (talk) 17:01, 9 November 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose It makes it more vague without an obvious benefit. This seems like a solution looking for a problem. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:14, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

  i listed the obvious benefits in my nomination. it'd be more correct and consistent, among other things. FaviFake (talk) 08:53, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose; WP:Moving should probably redirect to WP:MOVE. – Closed Limelike Curves (talk) 22:52, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

  Yes, what you described is the status quo. Do you have any reason for opposing? FaviFake (talk) 08:54, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. There's no problem here. The current title makes it a little more clear, maybe even much more clear, what it is about. —Myceteae‍🍄‍🟫 (talk) 23:12, 12 November 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:PRECISION, proposed title is far too vague. CNC (talk) 16:15, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Logging not visible - bug?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Draft:RedTrack shows no history of page moves?! The page has been moved, so why? Bug? Document it here if it is longstanding? RememberOrwell (talk) 13:06, 5 February 2026 (UTC)

@RememberOrwell: Nope, it's not a bug; the move log only records moves at the old title rather than the new one, so this is the log you want. I've clarified this page. Graham87 (talk) 15:32, 5 February 2026 (UTC)

Thanks! RememberOrwell (talk) 19:59, 5 February 2026 (UTC)

I feel like MediaWiki:Alllogstext warrants an edit.

Perhaps, "Note: Moves are only logged to the source page, not the destination."

Or "Note: Moves are only logged under the original title, not the new one."

Suggested on talk page.

RememberOrwell (talk) 19:41, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

@RememberOrwell: I've replied over there. Graham87 (talk) 02:16, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

Talk page move deselected

I patrol the newly-submitted end of the AfC draft pool, where I move a lot of submitted drafts from user sandboxes to the draft space. In the past week or two (?) I've noticed that the draft talk pages don't get moved. First I thought I had accidentally deselected that option, but when I selected it and moved the page, that time it worked fine, but the next time it was again deselected. I'm pretty sure in the past that option was selected by default (as long as there is a talk page), but now it seems I'm having to remember to select it each time. Is this intentional? -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:17, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing: phab:T405369 deliberately unselected it by default for the base user page with code by Pppery deployed in January. If the change may have happened then (how often do you move userspace drafts which have talk pages?) then maybe it accidentally unselected it in the whole userspace. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:34, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks @PrimeHunter. I make such moves daily. Although I can't remember exactly when this started (or when I first noticed, which may be different), I'm pretty sure it's more recent than January. I can ask around at AfC if others have noticed, and if so when they think this started, in case that helps. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:48, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

@DoubleGrazing: Let's wait to see if Pppery comments. He edits daily. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:51, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

Looks like a regression from gerrit:1281746 by Wbm1058 * Pppery * _{in solidarity} 15:13, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

Yes, that would do it and it was deployed 7 May which is fairly close to what DoubleGrazing said. Thanks. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:36, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

OK, I found Category:Pending AfC submissions in userspace with a couple pages there. This isn't an area that I work in, so please bear with me while I analyze how this process works. I will have some more comments in a while. Thanks, wbm1058 (talk) 16:45, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

@Wbm1058: That was just the way DoubleGrazing encountered the issue. It's irrelevant for how to fix the issue. Here is a simple example: Special:MovePage/User:Wbm1058/Current has unselected "Move associated talk page". It should be selected by default. It should only be unselected for the base user page: Special:MovePage/User:Wbm1058. It happened in gerrit:1281746 because the SpecialMovePage.php changes didn't keep line 246 and 247 from the old version inside the isSubpage test. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:08, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

Oh, thanks. Sorry neither myself nor either of the two or three guys who reviewed my code changes caught this. I wasn't expecting my third MediaWiki commit would be a bug fix of my second commit, but this sure gives me an opportunity to refresh my memory of how to push a new commit, before I forget how I did it the last time. – wbm1058 (talk) 17:52, 9 June 2026 (UTC)