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Template:Philippine presidential elections

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was no consensus. There does not seem to be a solid consensus about this grouping of templates (I am closing this discussion while referencing all similar ones on this page), nor does it appear that the Iraqi template discussion has created any sort of precedent. Primefac (talk) 12:44, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Philippine presidential elections with Template:Philippine elections.
Per precedent of Template:Iraqi presidential elections. Both templates can include all links. We really do not need two separate templates for elections. If there are indirect elections, then a note or section can be added to distinguish them as such. We don't have templates just for general elections and we should apply this to presidential election template as well. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:56, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose per Iraq.
Panam2014 (talk) 00:26, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not going to repeat this for each and every template like you did, but I will say that - since these mergers are proposed and the Iraq (and Finland) templates show that it is possible to include direct and indirect elections together in the template - this looks more like the start of a new precedent (that elections for president and houses of parliament would always be included regardless of their directness) than an abberation of an existing one. Glide08 (talk) 13:51, 28 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Approve We've got constitutions, electoral laws and secondary sources calling them presidential election: they fit on a template about their country's elections. We've got many exemples of countries going back and forth from direct to indirect election of their president, most recently Togo. They didn't cease being elections of the Head of state just because they were indirect ones. And yet currently Wikipedia has them completely purged from election templates, invisibilising them, making the information difficult to find, and the situation confusing for the readers.
    I believe Heads of state and houses of Parliament are noteworthy enough to be on election templates when elected, whatever the electoral system, since the sources do think they are. So far, the opposition I've seen to this seem to stem solely on the risk of too many indirect election being added, for example with Prime minister changes in parliamentary system. Let's just agree then to limit it to Heads of state and houses of Parliament, rather than keep a confusing, ineffective status quo. Cordially. --Aréat (talk) 18:29, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Notify users from the Iraqi template discussion. TheBritinator, Zackmann08, Graham11. See this discussion and the similar nominations below for the other templates. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:31, 27 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is a clear violation of WP:CANVASS. There were five editors involved in the Iraqi template discussion who have not been involved in this one; three voted to merge and two voted to keep. Only the three that voted to merge have been invited to comment. Any subsequent comments from the canvassed editors should be disregarded and WikiCleanerMan should receive a thorough trouting for this. Number 57 01:43, 28 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
      I was going to comment, should I even bother now? Well either way, I agree that Iraq was just a one-off case nor really a precedent. I was primarily motivated by how small it was. There's a lot more Philippines presidential elections to warrant a separate template, and most appear to be direct. TheBritinator (talk) 00:03, 29 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Vietnamese presidential elections

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The result of the discussion was no consensus per the above close. Primefac (talk) 12:44, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Vietnamese presidential elections with Template:Vietnamese elections.
Per precedent of Template:Iraqi presidential elections. Both templates can include all links. We really do not need two separate templates for elections. If there are indirect elections, then a note or section can be added to distinguish them as such. We don't have templates just for general elections and we should apply this to presidential election template as well. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:51, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose per Iraq.
Panam2014 (talk) 23:52, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The national election template series has always been for direct elections only and the outcome of the Iraq discussion was an abberation. The presidential elections template would be better merged to Template:Heads of state of Vietnam as been done for several other countries. Number 57 00:02, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Approve We've got constitutions, electoral laws and secondary sources calling them presidential election: they fit on a template about their country's elections. We've got many exemples of countries going back and forth from direct to indirect election of their president, most recently Togo. They didn't cease being elections of the Head of state just because they were indirect ones. And yet currently Wikipedia has them completely purged from election templates, invisibilising them, making the information difficult to find, and the situation confusing for the readers.
    I believe Heads of state and houses of Parliament are noteworthy enough to be on election templates when elected, whatever the electoral system, since the sources do think they are. So far, the opposition I've seen to this seem to stem solely on the risk of too many indirect election being added, for example with Prime minister changes in parliamentary system. Let's just agree then to limit it to Heads of state and houses of Parliament, rather than keep a confusing, ineffective status quo. Cordially. --Aréat (talk) 18:29, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Polish presidential elections

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The result of the discussion was no consensus per the above close. Primefac (talk) 12:45, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Polish presidential elections with Template:Polish elections.
Per precedent of Template:Iraqi presidential elections. Both templates can include all links. We really do not need two separate templates for elections. If there are indirect elections, then a note or section can be added to distinguish them as such. We don't have templates just for general elections and we should apply this to presidential election template as well. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:51, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose per Iraq.
Panam2014 (talk) 23:52, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The national election template series has always been for direct elections only and the outcome of the Iraq discussion was an abberation. The presidential elections template would be better merged to Template:Heads of state of Poland as been done for several other countries. Number 57 00:02, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Approve We've got constitutions, electoral laws and secondary sources calling them presidential election: they fit on a template about their country's elections. We've got many exemples of countries going back and forth from direct to indirect election of their president, most recently Togo. They didn't cease being elections of the Head of state just because they were indirect ones. And yet currently Wikipedia has them completely purged from election templates, invisibilising them, making the information difficult to find, and the situation confusing for the readers.
    I believe Heads of state and houses of Parliament are noteworthy enough to be on election templates when elected, whatever the electoral system, since the sources do think they are. So far, the opposition I've seen to this seem to stem solely on the risk of too many indirect election being added, for example with Prime minister changes in parliamentary system. Let's just agree then to limit it to Heads of state and houses of Parliament, rather than keep a confusing, ineffective status quo. Cordially. --Aréat (talk) 18:29, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Portuguese presidential elections

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The result of the discussion was no consensus per the above close. Primefac (talk) 12:45, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Portuguese presidential elections with Template:Portuguese elections.
Per precedent of Template:Iraqi presidential elections. Both templates can include all links. We really do not need two separate templates for elections. If there are indirect elections, then a note or section can be added to distinguish them as such. We don't have templates just for general elections and we should apply this to presidential election template as well. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:50, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose per Iraq.
Panam2014 (talk) 23:52, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The national election template series has always been for direct elections only and the outcome of the Iraq discussion was an abberation. The presidential elections template would be better merged to Template:Presidents of Portugal as been done for several other countries. Number 57 00:02, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Approve We've got constitutions, electoral laws and secondary sources calling them presidential election: they fit on a template about their country's elections. We've got many exemples of countries going back and forth from direct to indirect election of their president, most recently Togo. They didn't cease being elections of the Head of state just because they were indirect ones. And yet currently Wikipedia has them completely purged from election templates, invisibilising them, making the information difficult to find, and the situation confusing for the readers.
    I believe Heads of state and houses of Parliament are noteworthy enough to be on election templates when elected, whatever the electoral system, since the sources do think they are. So far, the opposition I've seen to this seem to stem solely on the risk of too many indirect election being added, for example with Prime minister changes in parliamentary system. Let's just agree then to limit it to Heads of state and houses of Parliament, rather than keep a confusing, ineffective status quo. Cordially. --Aréat (talk) 18:29, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Venezuelian presidential elections

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The result of the discussion was no consensus per the above close. Primefac (talk) 12:45, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Venezuelian presidential elections with Template:Venezuelan elections.
Per precedent of Template:Iraqi presidential elections. Both templates can include all links. We really do not need two separate templates for elections. If there are indirect elections, then a note or section can be added to distinguish them as such. We don't have templates just for general elections and we should apply this to presidential election template as well. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:49, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose per Iraq.
Panam2014 (talk) 23:53, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The national election template series has always been for direct elections only and the outcome of the Iraq discussion was an abberation. The presidential elections template would be better merged to Template:Presidents of Venezuela as been done for several other countries. Number 57 00:02, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Approve We've got constitutions, electoral laws and secondary sources calling them presidential election: they fit on a template about their country's elections. We've got many exemples of countries going back and forth from direct to indirect election of their president, most recently Togo. They didn't cease being elections of the Head of state just because they were indirect ones. And yet currently Wikipedia has them completely purged from election templates, invisibilising them, making the information difficult to find, and the situation confusing for the readers.
    I believe Heads of state and houses of Parliament are noteworthy enough to be on election templates when elected, whatever the electoral system, since the sources do think they are. So far, the opposition I've seen to this seem to stem solely on the risk of too many indirect election being added, for example with Prime minister changes in parliamentary system. Let's just agree then to limit it to Heads of state and houses of Parliament, rather than keep a confusing, ineffective status quo. Cordially. --Aréat (talk) 18:29, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Singaporean presidential elections

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The result of the discussion was no consensus per the above close. Primefac (talk) 12:45, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Singaporean presidential elections with Template:Singaporean elections.
Per precedent of Template:Iraqi presidential elections. Both templates can include all links. We really do not need two separate templates for elections. If there are indirect elections, then a note or section can be added to distinguish them as such. We don't have templates just for general elections and we should apply this to presidential election template as well. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:48, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose per Iraq.
Panam2014 (talk) 23:53, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The national election template series has always been for direct elections only and the outcome of the Iraq discussion was an abberation. The presidential elections template would be better merged to Template:Presidents of Singapore as been done for several other countries. Number 57 00:02, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Approve We've got constitutions, electoral laws and secondary sources calling them presidential election: they fit on a template about their country's elections. We've got many exemples of countries going back and forth from direct to indirect election of their president, most recently Togo. They didn't cease being elections of the Head of state just because they were indirect ones. And yet currently Wikipedia has them completely purged from election templates, invisibilising them, making the information difficult to find, and the situation confusing for the readers.
    I believe Heads of state and houses of Parliament are noteworthy enough to be on election templates when elected, whatever the electoral system, since the sources do think they are. So far, the opposition I've seen to this seem to stem solely on the risk of too many indirect election being added, for example with Prime minister changes in parliamentary system. Let's just agree then to limit it to Heads of state and houses of Parliament, rather than keep a confusing, ineffective status quo. Cordially. --Aréat (talk) 18:29, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Number 57. Aleain (talk) 08:57, 26 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Nepalese presidential elections

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The result of the discussion was no consensus per the above close. Primefac (talk) 12:45, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Nepalese presidential elections with Template:Nepalese elections.
Per precedent of Template:Iraqi presidential elections. Both templates can include all links. We really do not need two separate templates for elections. If there are indirect elections, then a note or section can be added to distinguish them as such. We don't have templates just for general elections and we should apply this to presidential election template as well. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:48, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose per Iraq.
Panam2014 (talk) 23:53, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The national election template series has always been for direct elections only and the outcome of the Iraq discussion was an abberation. The presidential elections template would be better merged to Template:Presidents of Nepal as been done for several other countries. Number 57 00:02, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Approve We've got constitutions, electoral laws and secondary sources calling them presidential election: they fit on a template about their country's elections. We've got many exemples of countries going back and forth from direct to indirect election of their president, most recently Togo. They didn't cease being elections of the Head of state just because they were indirect ones. And yet currently Wikipedia has them completely purged from election templates, invisibilising them, making the information difficult to find, and the situation confusing for the readers.
    I believe Heads of state and houses of Parliament are noteworthy enough to be on election templates when elected, whatever the electoral system, since the sources do think they are. So far, the opposition I've seen to this seem to stem solely on the risk of too many indirect election being added, for example with Prime minister changes in parliamentary system. Let's just agree then to limit it to Heads of state and houses of Parliament, rather than keep a confusing, ineffective status quo. Cordially. --Aréat (talk) 18:29, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The discussion should also include Template:Nepalese National Assembly elections. PenGear (talk) 21:32, 25 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Maltese presidential elections

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The result of the discussion was no consensus per the above close. Primefac (talk) 12:46, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Maltese presidential elections with Template:Maltese elections.
Per precedent of Template:Iraqi presidential elections. Both templates can include all links. We really do not need two separate templates for elections. If there are indirect elections, then a note or section can be added to distinguish them as such. We don't have templates just for general elections and we should apply this to presidential election template as well. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:47, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose per Iraq.
Panam2014 (talk) 23:53, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The national election template series has always been for direct elections only and the outcome of the Iraq discussion was an abberation. The presidential elections template would be better merged to Template:Presidents of Malta as been done for several other countries. Number 57 00:02, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Approve We've got constitutions, electoral laws and secondary sources calling them presidential election: they fit on a template about their country's elections. We've got many exemples of countries going back and forth from direct to indirect election of their president, most recently Togo. They didn't cease being elections of the Head of state just because they were indirect ones. And yet currently Wikipedia has them completely purged from election templates, invisibilising them, making the information difficult to find, and the situation confusing for the readers.
    I believe Heads of state and houses of Parliament are noteworthy enough to be on election templates when elected, whatever the electoral system, since the sources do think they are. So far, the opposition I've seen to this seem to stem solely on the risk of too many indirect election being added, for example with Prime minister changes in parliamentary system. Let's just agree then to limit it to Heads of state and houses of Parliament, rather than keep a confusing, ineffective status quo. Cordially. --Aréat (talk) 18:29, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Cuban presidential elections

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The result of the discussion was no consensus per the above close. Primefac (talk) 12:46, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Cuban presidential elections with Template:Cuban elections.
Per precedent of Template:Iraqi presidential elections. Both templates can include all links. We really do not need two separate templates for elections. If there are indirect elections, then a note or section can be added to distinguish them as such. We don't have templates just for general elections and we should apply this to presidential election template as well. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:47, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose per Iraq.
Panam2014 (talk) 23:53, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The national election template series has always been for direct elections only and the outcome of the Iraq discussion was an abberation. The presidential elections template would be better merged to Template:Presidents of Cuba as been done for several other countries. Number 57 00:02, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Approve We've got constitutions, electoral laws and secondary sources calling them presidential election: they fit on a template about their country's elections. We've got many exemples of countries going back and forth from direct to indirect election of their president, most recently Togo. They didn't cease being elections of the Head of state just because they were indirect ones. And yet currently Wikipedia has them completely purged from election templates, invisibilising them, making the information difficult to find, and the situation confusing for the readers.
    I believe Heads of state and houses of Parliament are noteworthy enough to be on election templates when elected, whatever the electoral system, since the sources do think they are. So far, the opposition I've seen to this seem to stem solely on the risk of too many indirect election being added, for example with Prime minister changes in parliamentary system. Let's just agree then to limit it to Heads of state and houses of Parliament, rather than keep a confusing, ineffective status quo. Cordially. --Aréat (talk) 18:29, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:Colombian presidential elections

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The result of the discussion was no consensus per the above close. Primefac (talk) 12:46, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Colombian presidential elections with Template:Colombian elections.
Per precedent of Template:Iraqi presidential elections. Both templates can include all links. We really do not need two separate templates for elections. If there are indirect elections, then a note or section can be added to distinguish them as such. We don't have templates just for general elections and we should apply this to presidential election template as well. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:46, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose per Iraq.
Panam2014 (talk) 23:54, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The national election template series has always been for direct elections only and the outcome of the Iraq discussion was an abberation. The presidential elections template would be better merged to Template:Presidents of Colombia as been done for several other countries. Number 57 00:02, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Approve We've got constitutions, electoral laws and secondary sources calling them presidential election: they fit on a template about their country's elections. We've got many exemples of countries going back and forth from direct to indirect election of their president, most recently Togo. They didn't cease being elections of the Head of state just because they were indirect ones. And yet currently Wikipedia has them completely purged from election templates, invisibilising them, making the information difficult to find, and the situation confusing for the readers.
    I believe Heads of state and houses of Parliament are noteworthy enough to be on election templates when elected, whatever the electoral system, since the sources do think they are. So far, the opposition I've seen to this seem to stem solely on the risk of too many indirect election being added, for example with Prime minister changes in parliamentary system. Let's just agree then to limit it to Heads of state and houses of Parliament, rather than keep a confusing, ineffective status quo. Cordially. --Aréat (talk) 18:29, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Dominican presidential elections

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The result of the discussion was no consensus per the above close. Primefac (talk) 12:46, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Dominican presidential elections with Template:Dominican elections.
Per precedent of Template:Iraqi presidential elections. Both templates can include all links. We really do not need two separate templates for elections. If there are indirect elections, then a note or section can be added to distinguish them as such. We don't have templates just for general elections and we should apply this to presidential election template as well. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:44, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose The national election template series has always been for direct elections only and the outcome of the Iraq discussion was an abberation. The presidential elections template would be better merged to Template:Presidents of Dominica as been done for several other countries. Number 57 23:52, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
    @Number 57: I suggest to change the merge operated for Iraq per Salvador and Dominican Republic's examples. Panam2014 (talk) 23:55, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
    @Panam2014: I don't understand what you are saying here or below. Are you saying you support the merge into the presidential template (and why mention Colombia when this is about a Dominican one)? Number 57 00:06, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
    Can you link where the consensus was set? Plus, if a template says Presidents, it should only link to the actual presidents of the countries. Presidential elections are not the primary subject of said Presidents of [country] templates. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:35, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
    Difficult to find as it was likely over 15 years ago soon after these templates were first created, but some evidence of its existence from over the years in the following diffs from various editors. Cheers, Number 57 02:02, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
    But those are edits. While long-standing since 2009, it was not set as a policy, rule, or guideline of the Elections project or some formal site wide policy. It would be one thing it was that. But we are talking about redundancy here. All these templates are and can be used for one overall purpose. But if you say presidents of countries should have these article linked, then same could apply for the templates for US presidents and Presidents of France. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 03:57, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
    Of course there is no policy or guidance on this particular point – we'd have thousands of pages of them if we insisted that every consensus or agreement needed to be be formalised into one. "All these templates are and can be used for one overall purpose" – it can be, yes, but does it make sense to do so? I don't think so – IMO it's misleading to put parliamentary votes alongside public elections in results templates (particularly in cases like Dominica where the public have never voted for the presidency). This was why this set of templates was created in the first place. The problem here seems to be more about a desire to 'tidy up' templates without proper regard to the subject matter. Number 57 14:39, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
    Since there is no policy, we have no reason to keep separating indirect elections from a main navbox that covers national elections. Indirect elections are still relevant to the scope of elections in said country templates. They are still a national topic. If we are just following a longstanding status quo of edits going back to 2009 and not a formal rule, then there is no need to continue this. These merger suggestions are in the proper standing of WP:Bidirectional, WP:Navboxes, WP:NENAN, and WP:Navbox to name a few. And none of these presidential elections are irrelevant in terms of scope. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:25, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
    Again, there is no formal rule, but surely you've been on Wikipedia long enough to understand that we do not have written rules covering minor matters like this. I'm also extremely disappointed that, prior to proposing large-scale deletions of a set of long-existing templates, you didn't bother engaging with the relevant WikiProject to discuss whether this was a good idea or ask why these templates exist. Can I suggest that you do that in future, regardless of the topic area. Number 57 19:26, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
    Most indirect presidential elections are not "ordinary" parliamentary votes (like a vote on a motion), but are rather specially-scheduled events that function more like a "public" election mechanically (i.e. the MPs go to a booth, tick a box next to the candidate's name in a ballot paper, put it in an envelope, and put the envelope in the ballot box.) Glide08 (talk) 13:55, 28 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Iraq.. But it should be merged into President of Colombia's template.
Panam2014 (talk) 23:56, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Approve We've got constitutions, electoral laws and secondary sources calling them presidential election: they fit on a template about their country's elections. We've got many exemples of countries going back and forth from direct to indirect election of their president, most recently Togo. They didn't cease being elections of the Head of state just because they were indirect ones. And yet currently Wikipedia has them completely purged from election templates, invisibilising them, making the information difficult to find, and the situation confusing for the readers.
    I believe Heads of state and houses of Parliament are noteworthy enough to be on election templates when elected, whatever the electoral system, since the sources do think they are. So far, the opposition I've seen to this seem to stem solely on the risk of too many indirect election being added, for example with Prime minister changes in parliamentary system. Let's just agree then to limit it to Heads of state and houses of Parliament, rather than keep a confusing, ineffective status quo. Cordially. --Aréat (talk) 18:29, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Greek presidential elections

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The result of the discussion was no consensus per the above close. Primefac (talk) 12:47, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Greek presidential elections with Template:Greek elections.
Per precedent of Template:Iraqi presidential elections. Both templates can include all links. We really do not need two separate templates for elections. If there are indirect elections, then a note or section can be added to distinguish them as such. We don't have templates just for general elections and we should apply this to presidential election template as well. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:44, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose per Iraq.
Panam2014 (talk) 23:54, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The national election template series has always been for direct elections only and the outcome of the Iraq discussion was an abberation. The presidential elections template would be better merged to Template:Heads of state of Greece as been done for several other countries. Number 57 00:02, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Approve We've got constitutions, electoral laws and secondary sources calling them presidential election: they fit on a template about their country's elections. We've got many exemples of countries going back and forth from direct to indirect election of their president, most recently Togo. They didn't cease being elections of the Head of state just because they were indirect ones. And yet currently Wikipedia has them completely purged from election templates, invisibilising them, making the information difficult to find, and the situation confusing for the readers.
    I believe Heads of state and houses of Parliament are noteworthy enough to be on election templates when elected, whatever the electoral system, since the sources do think they are. So far, the opposition I've seen to this seem to stem solely on the risk of too many indirect election being added, for example with Prime minister changes in parliamentary system. Let's just agree then to limit it to Heads of state and houses of Parliament, rather than keep a confusing, ineffective status quo. Cordially. --Aréat (talk) 18:29, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Romanian presidential elections

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The result of the discussion was no consensus per the above close. Primefac (talk) 12:47, 7 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Template:Romanian presidential elections with Template:Romanian elections.
Per precedent of Template:Iraqi presidential elections. Both templates can include all links. We really do not need two separate templates for elections. If there are indirect elections, then a note or section can be added to distinguish them as such. We don't have templates just for general elections and we should apply this to presidential election template as well. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:43, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose per Iraq.
Panam2014 (talk) 23:54, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The national election template series has always been for direct elections only and the outcome of the Iraq discussion was an abberation. The presidential elections template would be better merged to Template:Heads of state of Romania as been done for several other countries. Number 57 00:02, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Approve We've got constitutions, electoral laws and secondary sources calling them presidential election: they fit on a template about their country's elections. We've got many exemples of countries going back and forth from direct to indirect election of their president, most recently Togo. They didn't cease being elections of the Head of state just because they were indirect ones. And yet currently Wikipedia has them completely purged from election templates, invisibilising them, making the information difficult to find, and the situation confusing for the readers.
    I believe Heads of state and houses of Parliament are noteworthy enough to be on election templates when elected, whatever the electoral system, since the sources do think they are. So far, the opposition I've seen to this seem to stem solely on the risk of too many indirect election being added, for example with Prime minister changes in parliamentary system. Let's just agree then to limit it to Heads of state and houses of Parliament, rather than keep a confusing, ineffective status quo. Cordially. --Aréat (talk) 18:29, 24 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:2025-26 Worcester Warriors squad

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The result of the discussion was delete. Trialpears (talk) 12:38, 5 February 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Unused roster template. WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:00, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:PFC Spartak Pleven squad

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) HurricaneZetaC 18:21, 31 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Unnecessary template, hte club has almost no players with valid articles. Svartner (talk) 08:24, 23 January 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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