Wikipedia:Deletion review

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Deletion review (DRV) is for reviewing speedy deletions and outcomes of deletion discussions. This includes appeals to delete pages kept after a prior discussion.

If you are considering a request for a deletion review, please read the "Purpose" section below to make sure that is what you wish to do. Then, follow the instructions below.

Purpose

Deletion review may be used:

  1. if someone believes the closer of a deletion discussion interpreted the consensus incorrectly;
  2. if a speedy deletion was done outside of the criteria or is otherwise disputed;
  3. if there were substantial procedural errors in the deletion discussion or speedy deletion (including information of socks participating in the discussion);
  4. if significant new information has come to light since a deletion that would justify undeleting the page, and previously deleted content may be helpful for writing a new version of the page  provided that an administrator declined undeleting the page and their decision is being challenged;
  5. if a page has been wrongly deleted with no way to tell what exactly was deleted;
  6. if the deleted page cannot be recreated because of preemptive restrictions on creation that cannot be removed without a consensus after removal was requested and declined. Such restrictions include creation protection and title blacklisting.

Deletion review should not be used:

  1. to request undeletion of a page deleted on grounds which permits summary undeletion. Place such requests at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion. Deletion review can be used if such a request is declined. (Undeletion may also be requested there for pages which are not explicitly eligible for summary undeletion, but such a request is usually declined; it is worth trying when substantial new sources have arisen after an article was deleted.)
  2. to ask for permission to write a new version of a page which was deleted, unless a preemptive restriction on creation is in place for which removal was requested and declined. In the case of:
  3. because of a disagreement with the deletion discussion's outcome that does not involve the closer's judgment (a page may be renominated after a reasonable timeframe);
  4. to repeat arguments already made in the deletion discussion;
  5. to argue technicalities (such as a deletion discussion being closed ten minutes early);
  6. to point out other pages that have or have not been deleted (as each page is different and stands or falls on its own merits);
  7. to challenge an article's deletion via the proposed deletion process, or to have the history of a deleted page restored behind a new, improved version of the page, called a history-only undeletion (please go to Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion for these);
  8. to request that previously deleted content be used on other pages (please go to Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion for these requests);
  9. to attack other editors, cast aspersions, or make accusations of bias (such requests may be speedily closed).

Copyright violating, libelous, or otherwise prohibited content will not be restored.

Instructions

Steps to list a new deletion review

Before listing a review request, please:

  1. Consider attempting to discuss the matter with the closer as this could resolve the matter more quickly. There could have been a mistake, miscommunication, or misunderstanding, and a full review may not be needed. Such discussion also gives the closer the opportunity to clarify the reasoning behind a decision.
  2. Check that it is not on the list of perennial Deletion review requests. Repeated requests every time some new, tiny snippet appears on the web have a tendency to be counter-productive. It is almost always best to play the waiting game unless you can decisively overcome the issues identified at deletion.
  3. If your request is completely non-controversial (e.g., restoring an article deleted with a PROD, restoring an image deleted for lack of adequate licensing information, asking that the history be emailed to you, etc.), use Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion instead.
 
1.

Edit today's Deletion review log and paste the template immediately below the "Add a new entry BELOW THIS LINE ..." comment. Before publishing your changes, replace page with the name of the page, xfd_page with the name of the deletion discussion page (leave blank for speedy deletions), and reason with the reason why the discussion result should be changed. For media files, article is the name of the article where the file was used, and it shouldn't be used for any other page. For example:

{{subst:drv2
|page=File:Foo.png
|xfd_page=Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2009 February 19#Foo.png
|reason=
}} ~~~~
2.

Inform the editor who closed the deletion discussion by adding the following at the bottom of their user talk page:

{{subst:DRV notice|PAGE_NAME}} ~~~~
3.

For nominations to delete, merge, or redirect an article previously kept or slated for merging, place <noinclude>{{Delrev|date=2026 June 15}}</noinclude> at the top of the article under review, to inform current editors about the discussion.

4.

Leave notice of the deletion review at the very top of the original AfD discussion, above all other content:

  • If the discussion's subpage name is the same as the deletion review's section header, use <noinclude>{{Delrevxfd|date=2026 June 15}}</noinclude>
  • If the discussion's subpage name is different from the deletion review's section header, then use <noinclude>{{Delrevxfd|date=2026 June 15|page=SECTION HEADER AT THE DELETION REVIEW LOG}}</noinclude>
 

Commenting in a deletion review

Any editor may express their opinion about an article or file being considered for deletion review. In the deletion review discussion, please type one of the following opinions preceded by an asterisk (*) and surrounded by three apostrophes (''') on either side. If you have additional thoughts to share, you may type this after the opinion. Place four tildes (~~~~) at the end of your entry, which should be placed below the entries of any previous editors:

  • Endorse the original closing decision; or
  • Relist on the relevant deletion forum (usually Articles for deletion); or
  • List, if the page was speedy deleted outside of the established criteria and you believe it needs a full discussion at the appropriate forum to decide if it should be deleted; or
  • Overturn the original decision and optionally an (action) per the Guide to deletion. For a keep decision, the default action associated with overturning is delete and vice versa. If an editor desires some action other than the default, they should make this clear; or
  • Allow recreation of the page if new information is presented and deemed sufficient to permit recreation.

Examples of opinions for an article that had been deleted:

  • *'''Endorse''' The original closing decision looks like it was sound, no reason shown here to overturn it. ~~~~
  • *'''Relist''' A new discussion at AfD should bring a more thorough discussion, given the new information shown here. ~~~~
  • *'''Allow recreation''' The new information provided looks like it justifies recreation of the article from scratch if there is anyone willing to do the work. ~~~~
  • *'''List''' Article was speedied without discussion, criteria given did not match the problem, full discussion at AfD looks warranted. ~~~~
  • *'''Overturn and merge''' The article is a content fork, should have been merged into existing article on this topic rather than deleted. ~~~~
  • *'''Overturn and userfy''' Needs more development in userspace before being published again, but the subject meets our notability criteria. ~~~~
  • *'''Overturn''' Original deletion decision was not consistent with current policies. ~~~~

Remember that deletion review is not an opportunity to (re-)express your opinion on the content in question. It is an opportunity to correct errors in process (in the absence of significant new information), and thus the action specified should be the editor's feeling of the correct interpretation of the debate. Deletion review is facilitated by succinct discussions of policies and guidelines; long or repeated arguments are not generally helpful. Rather, editors should set out the key policies and guidelines supporting their preferred outcome.

The presentation of new information about the content should be prefaced by Relist, rather than Overturn and (action). This information can then be more fully evaluated in its proper deletion discussion forum. Allow recreation is an alternative in such cases.

The usage of large language models such as ChatGPT to create deletion review nominations or comments is strongly discouraged and such contributions are liable to be removed or collapsed by an uninvolved administrator.

Temporary undeletion

Admins participating in deletion reviews are routinely requested to restore deleted pages under review and replace the content with the {{temporarily undeleted}} template, leaving the history for review by everyone. However, copyright violations and violations of the policy on biographies of living persons should not be restored.

Closing reviews

A nominated page should remain on deletion review for at least seven days, unless the nomination was a proposed deletion. After seven days, an administrator will determine whether a consensus exists. If that consensus is to undelete, the admin should follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Administrator instructions. If the consensus was to relist, the page should be relisted at the appropriate forum. If the consensus was that the deletion was endorsed, the discussion should be closed with the consensus documented.

If the administrator closes the deletion review as no consensus, the outcome should generally be the same as if the decision was endorsed. However:

  • If the decision under appeal was a speedy deletion, the page(s) in question should be restored, as it indicates the deletion was not uncontroversial. The closer, or any editor, may then proceed to nominate the page at the appropriate deletion discussion forum, if they so choose.
  • If the decision under appeal was an XfD close, the closer may, at their discretion, relist the page(s) at the relevant XfD.

Ideally, all closes should be made by an administrator to ensure that what is effectively the final appeal is applied consistently and fairly. But, in cases where the outcome is patently obvious or where a discussion has not been closed in good time, it is permissible for a non-admin (ideally a DRV regular) to close discussions. Non-consensus closes should be avoided by non-admins unless they are absolutely unavoidable and the closer is sufficiently experienced at DRV to make that call. (Hint: if you are not sure that you have enough DRV experience then you don't.)

Speedy closes

  1. An objection to a proposed deletion can be processed immediately as though it were a request at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion.
  2. Where the closer of a deletion discussion realizes their close was wrong, and nobody has endorsed, the closer may speedily close as overturn. They should fully reverse their close, restoring any deleted pages if appropriate.
  3. Where the nominator of a DRV wishes to withdraw their nomination, and nobody else has recommended any outcome other than endorse, the nominator may speedily close as "endorse" (or ask someone else to do so on their behalf).
  4. Certain discussions may be closed without result if there is no prospect of success (e.g. disruptive or sockpuppet nominations, if the nominator is repeatedly nominating the same page, a large language model is used to construct the request, or the page is listed at WP:DEEPER). These will usually be marked as "procedural close".


Psyclones (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

Self referral here as the close has been challenged at my talk page here basically arguing that my close to redirect as an ATD was a super vote and that I should enforce the clear consensus of the discussion. I have some sympathy to this argument as the only real support for the redirect was from the nominator. However, my close was informed by recent DRV discussions where the expectation that admins follow a valid ATD has become a constant theme. So basically what I'm asking for is a steer on whether I should have closed this as direct as I believed the expectation at DRV would be or whether I should have deleted anyway, which would have seen me put a redirect in as an editorial decision. Essentially, the end state is the same but the second more closely reflects the discussion Spartaz Humbug! 04:33, 13 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

  • Endorse 1) status quo was as a redirect for the past year, 2) Nothing added in the attempted un-redirect and improvement was attack, copyvio, or unambiguously promotional, 3) No one who argued for deletion also argued against the AtD. This is a perfect AtD: clearly not notable, notability/verifiability is the main problem, and there is a notable and sensible redirect target. Mind you, the Psyclones paragraph in the target article kinda sucks at the moment, but that's something to work on without needing admin tools to spruce it up and smooth it out. Jclemens (talk) 05:05, 13 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Endorse While there were more editors who supported deleting the article, no editor explicitly expressed opposition to the redirect. A delete close would also have been acceptable, but we have frequently given lots of leeway to an AtD. --Enos733 (talk) 05:06, 13 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Endorse – when an ATD is suggested and there's no argument to the contrary whatsoever, I do believe closing as delete would just amount to raw vote-counting. (Thanks for bringing this here. I think more DRV self-referrals would be a good thing.) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:34, 13 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Endorse. Yup, that's how almost all of us interpret ATD-R. Owen× 08:51, 13 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I was the one that raised this on Spartaz's talk page, and I did so because my understanding of policy was that when the question of a possible redirect was raised during an AfD discussion, the result on this was determined there, by consensus on the matter. If this isn't the case, the relevant policy should probably be made explicit in WP:DISCUSSAFD, which as it stands seems unambiguously to state that whether a redirect is created is one of the options being determined by participants. As for the specifics, Spartaz says the content on Psyclones in the redirect 'kinda sucks', which in my opinion is an understatement, since dedicating getting on to a quarter of an article supposedly on one band, which at least has a claim to be notable, to another band which, per the AfD, isn't, seems to me to run contrary to WP:DUE and to the spirit of the AfD consensus. Anyway, I'm not going to make a big thing of this, since it appears the redirect is seen as acceptable, and my time is probably better put into trying to sort out the confused mess at the target, which isn't even consistent as to whether it is discussing a band (or two bands?), an individual, or a 'project' lead by said individual, and which arguably is basing its 'notability' claim around flipping between one and another. If the target was less of a mess, the validity of the redirect might be clearer. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:23, 13 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
    My sense is that participants at AfD need to explicitly argue against a redirect. And there are many reasons why a redirect, while reasonable, may not be the preferred outcome. Examples include: if a subject is mentioned in the targeted article as the current holder of a position (and might be removed from the article), there are multiple redirect targets, or there is not any substance in the targeted article. In this case, I do agree, a redirect may not be the optimum outcome, but no editor suggested that restoring the redirect was incorrect. - Enos733 (talk) 15:54, 13 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Endorse clear consensus not to keep and no opposition to redirect from the delete !voters. Consensus is not required to close as an ATD instead of deletion. Anyone who does not believe the redirect to be correct can start a discussion at WP:RFD. Frank Anchor 16:37, 13 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Endorse. No argument against a redirect was presented in the AfD. I second Extraordinary Writ's notion that closing as delete would be vote counting rather than evaluating the strength of arguments (i.e. determining consensus). Katzrockso (talk) 00:09, 14 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Endorse As I wrote here on Spartaz's talk page, "I agree with Spartaz's interpretation of the community opinion at deletion reviews to supporting Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion and strongly support the close as redirect given the discussion at the AfD."

    When a redirect is an alternative to deletion, I always support keeping the article's history accessible to non-admins if there are no BLP violations or copyright violations or anything else that should be publicly inaccessible in the history. The article may contain useful content for a merge or useful sources. The article may have unreliable sources that cannot be cited. But the unreliable sources may have information that helps editors find reliable sources that can be used. Without having to ask an admin to restore to draft, a non-admin who is interested in recreating the article with better sourcing and content can immediately view the prior state of the article to see if anything can be reused. Cunard (talk) 10:35, 14 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment about notability: I consider Psyclones notable through the significant coverage in reliable sources I provided at Talk:Psyclones#Sources. Of the eight sources I listed there, I think only one—the 2021 Times-Standard article—was discussed at the AfD. Rather than deletion, Psyclones should have a standalone article. Cunard (talk) 10:35, 14 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
    Please read Wikipedia:Deletion review. This isn't a rerun of the AfD. AndyTheGrump (talk) 11:02, 14 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, but this falls under the "significant new information" purpose of DRV. Moreover, Cunard didn't advocate for overturning the result to keep, since that obviously wasn't within any discretion for a closer. Katzrockso (talk) 15:47, 14 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
    If " Rather than deletion, Psyclones should have a standalone article" isn't advocating for overturn of the result, what is the purpose of writing it here? AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:22, 14 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
    Why would Cunard explicitly write just above "Endorse" and then quote their own post I agree with Spartaz's interpretation of the community opinion at deletion reviews to supporting Wikipedia:Deletion policy#Alternatives to deletion and strongly support the close as redirect given the discussion at the AfD (emphasis mine) if they were advocating to overturn? Katzrockso (talk) 21:59, 14 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Endorse. The AfD nom mentioned the prior redirect, and User:UtherSRG explcitly supported the redirect, and no one argued against redirect, so the close was not a Supervote. The target mentions the topic, so the redirect is appropriate. It was a pretty obvious ATD-R, although unusual in the number of clean and simple “delete” !votes.
The inclusion of Psyclones at the target feels clunky. Hopefully that will be fixed. SmokeyJoe (talk) 14:13, 14 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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Kenya Agricultural & Livestock Research Organisation (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

Per my statement on the closer's talk page: "For one, the close did not address or change KALRO at all. In addition, no one besides the nominator voted on this discussion, making the current state of [the] close almost look like a WP:SUPERVOTE. My recommendation is that [the close be reverted and the closer] participate in the discussion instead.". Steel1943 (talk) 13:53, 10 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Withdraw this DRV per the closer reopening the discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 13:59, 10 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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Wikipedia:Source assessment/CWC (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore)

This is a source assessment page for keeping track of which sources would serve the argument that the target of a once-unwanted publicity campaign by bad actors may be considered notable under Wikipedia's inclusion standards. Spartaz impromptly deleted it yesterday with the rationale Wp:blp. Enough of using Wikipedia to hold information on this person. Before then, an RfC discussion had been taking place on its talk page since early May over whether or not there should finally be a Wikipedia article about this person.

This is the first time that a source assessment page has been deleted. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 20:26, 7 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

I always find it disappointing when an editor claiming an admin action is out of process fails to follow the process by not discussing with the deleting admin prior to raising the drv.
In this case, I deleted the content because it was being used to try and force an article about a victim of extreme online harassment on gng grounds when the standard is blp and specifically, WP:VICTIMIZE. Even hosting the sources is an extension of the harassment out there. There are no sources that would support a neutral balanced article that isn't a total hatchet job. In my opinion, the content needed to go and no discussion engaging the GNG was going to overcome the BLP issue. The policy is that any admin is required to remove BLP violating content and that said content cannot be restored unless there is a consensus to do so. Therefore, Mr nominator, can you explain to us why you think Wikipedia should be used to extend the harassment of this individual and how hosting wholly negative sources about them is not an extension of their victimisation? Spartaz Humbug! 22:47, 7 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
To answer both parts of your question:
  • If I had set out to help the harassment campaign, I wouldn't be supporting the implementation of measures to prevent its participants from turning a hypothetical draft into yet another G10-worthy attack page. Asking me why I think we should help the harassment campaign is like asking a citizen who espouses socialism or traditional values why they think the government should abuse its power and deprive its constituents of their freedom, for lack of a good non-political analogy.
  • I didn't think that keeping a list of sources mentioning her would be as bad an idea as recreating a draft would have been. I am aware that WP:BLPCRIME says editors must seriously consider not including material in any article that suggests the person [is alleged to have] committed a crime, unless a conviction has been secured for that crime, and that libelous content should be deleted (or removed and oversighted if added to a page).
    This makes me wonder if Wikipedia:Source assessment/DoorDash Girl controversy could also be deleted for hosting lots of sources that suggest that a specific delivery worker has entered a customer's home and captured him on video sleeping naked.
As this page was created by Duke of New Gwynedd, I think the responsibility of defending its existence may instead belong to them and to whoever else added the sources that mentioned the subject's alleged crimes, unless each of them agrees that what they have each done is wrong in hindsight. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 01:53, 8 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I asked you, because you actively demanded I undelete it by raising the DRV. As I explained the policy, if you are arguing to restore BLP deleted content then the onus is on you to justify the inclusion of that content. My questions were designed to emphasise the impact of hosting the content and they reflect the reason why a BLP deletion was implemented. Addressing them is pertinent to the argument to retain the content.
You made some comment at the RFC about maybe having an article because she might be a public figure and because deleting it would Righting Great Wrongs. Is that still your position now that you have seen the strong views expressed here about the blp violation?
Finally, you asked about the doordash girl source analysis. My answer to that is in the MFD nomination I just raised. I don't think the BLP violation is anywhere near the scale as on this one. The door dash person isn't a vulnerable individual subject to years of online harassment. Regardless, it's a pointless page and I don't see the value of it. Spartaz Humbug! 04:54, 8 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Therefore, Mr nominator,
I can be a bitch, but even I rarely attack established editors in such a direct manner. Users who do have a mop should refrain from using such language IMHO. — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 05:26, 8 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Is this connected to my nominating your source analysis table at MFD? Spartaz Humbug! 05:54, 8 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
To directly respond to the comment. I'm a bit confused here. According to our own article, Mr is an honorific and I'm not aware that calling someone Mr is an attack.
I used the phrase as as substitute as the edit box was covering the nominators username and I didn't want to open another page to check it because I was making my response literally as I was going to bed.
Help an old guy out here, how is this an attack? I don't see it from my cultural perspective at all. Spartaz Humbug! 06:05, 8 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Since "Mr" is part of the nominator's chosen username, it's clearly not an attempt to impose or assume a gender identity. I don't buy the third party outrage here. Jclemens (talk) 06:10, 8 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Is this connected to my nominating your source analysis table at MFD?
That MfD made me look at your talk page, and the newest message there linked here.
Mr is an honorific and I'm not aware that calling someone Mr is an attack.
This came across as sense #8 on wikt:Mister#English: "(colloquial, sometimes hostile, sometimes written 'mister') Used by itself as a familiar term of address to a man whose name is unknown, or sometimes even if the name is known." (emphasis mine) Compare "Hey, Mr. I'm so Informed becuase i am older than you". If you were simply looking for a way to refer to the OP, it would be more common to simply say "OP" or "nominator" (without the Mr). And given that your sentence continued with the loaded question "can you explain to us why you think Wikipedia should be used to extend the harassment of this individual", my reading of "Mr" to be hostile in this context doesn't seem out of the ordinary. It's unclear to me what you are referring to when you say "my cultural perspective". — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 07:27, 8 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
That seems a stretch to me but let's keep this discussion focused on the harassment and victimisation of the subject of the source review, rather than tone policing a comment that I have already explained came, in my mind, with no connotations. Spartaz Humbug! 07:32, 8 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
You explained that, and I explained how it came across from my point of view. I don't see the problem.
let's keep this discussion focused on the harassment and victimisation of the subject of the source review
Isn't this supposed to be about discussing whether the deletion of the source assessment page was appropriate or if it should be restored? — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 08:23, 8 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
You can't have one without the other. Spartaz Humbug! 09:55, 8 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hardest endorse you could ever imagine per the diligence of User:Spartaz. Even as someone who participated in discussions on the talk page, there is no reason to retain so much negative content, a pretty decent portion of which serves the purpose of harassing a living person. WP:BLP, WP:AVOIDVICTIM, WP:IAR. There is a consensus among editors who are not looking to harass living people that, whatever notability notwithstanding, this individual is a cyberbullying magnet whose hypothetical BLP article would be a nightmare to maintain, and the only thing that disappoints me about this deletion is that I cannot find the names of the fabulous editors who were so eloquent enough as to explain to the user who created it why retaining it is a nightmare. Enough is enough -- it is already dismaying and downright depressing to see this harassment campaign continue as long as it has, and Wikipedia should have no part in furthering such truly appalling behavior. JeffSpaceman (talk) 23:41, 7 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Endorse and I would support sanctions at ANI on editors who continue to repeatedly bring up this BLP in a continual attempt to harass them and circumvent the extraordinarily clear community consensus that there should not be an article for this person. Katzrockso (talk) 00:20, 8 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Endorse deleting the list of sources, which in itself was violating WP:AVOIDVICTIM by linking to articles about a profoundly disabled person's arrest. Suggest having a summary of the RfC closure be reinstated in some form in one way or another, for accountability purposes and to forestall another RfC. A note in a deletion log does not suffice and will just cause this to relitigate in another year or two. lizthegrey (talk) 04:54, 8 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
(I should note I have a COI wrt the most prominent place that harassment campaign has been coordinated off-wiki, but also that I do think the individual in question has transitioned from low-profile to high-profile status and that still does not avoid our obligations to avoid causing harm by facilitating the creation of attack pages against an otherwise non-notable individual, who is also profoundly disabled and whom we owe an extra degree of care beyond WP:BLPCRIME and WP:HNE) lizthegrey (talk) 04:58, 8 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • The thing with Chris Chan is that they're a low-profile individual, despite arguably passing the threshold at WP:WIALPI. JClemens' otherwise admirable essay doesn't cover the topic of capacity.
What I mean is that Chris Chan's a child. Yes, I know she's in her mid-forties. She has fairly serious learning difficulties with significant delays. She has the mental age of a pre-teen and will never be a normally-functioning adult.
I don't have a source for saying that. What I have is eyes and editorial judgment.
It's up to us, as adults or presumed adults, to see when we're dealing with a child and adapt our approach.
Like most physically mature people with low mental ages her psychosexual development is screwed up. It's doubtful that she's notable as a criminal. She's on record as having confessed to acts that would be criminal if a functioning person confessed to them, but even in the US, criminal acts need mens rea. She doesn't have the mens.
It's true that she's displayed some attention-seeking behaviour. That's in keeping with her pre-teen mental age. It's right to treat it like a child's attention-seeking.
The people who've devoted significant amounts of their lives to bullying her need to go and have a little think about themselves.
It's absolutely right to delete each and every single thing about her that makes its way onto Wikipedia, and bugger any rule or guideline that says otherwise.—S Marshall T/C 08:51, 8 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Given the overwhelming consensus against recreating this page, I hereby accept having this discussion undergo a SNOW close (if it is no longer possible for me to withdraw this nomination) in favor of the endorsing side per WP:BLPDEL, which states that protracted public discussion should be avoided for deletions involving sensitive personal material about living persons, particularly if it is negative; I myself hadn't been conscientious of this (or followed the "talk to the deleting admin first" rule) when I nominated this page. If the highway I got on when I started participating in the recent RfC leads to destruction, I'm getting off at the next exit ramp. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 11:08, 8 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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Gorky Anisimov (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore)

The article appears to be a hoax. There's not a single available source confirming this person's existence, and, furthermore, Gorky isn't a given name (at least, not a name that would have been given to someone baptized into Eastern Orthodoxy in 1874).--Eliatxo (talk) 13:14, 7 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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Christine Weston Chandler (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore)

Topic is listed at WP:DEEPER, but an existing assessment on sources wields a non-trivial level of coverage from reliable sources, on top of articles on other languages as listed in the entry on Wikidata, and in the event of recreation, we can prevent further WP:BLP violations by protecting the page when needed. ZeroJaguar (talk) 14:32, 6 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

There is a zero chance that the deleted content can be undeleted as it is unrelentingly negative without positive counterweight. If all we can create is a negative hatchet job then this cannot be hosted. I do suggest you work on a draft and present it for approval. If approved then the create protection can be removed but until that point we have nothing acceptable to host. Spartaz Humbug! 17:52, 6 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
for the record I decline to undelete this for the DRV on BLP/Do No Harm grounds. Spartaz Humbug! 17:53, 6 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2022 February 11
Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive335#Creating the "Chris Chan" article
admins only. Spartaz Humbug! 18:03, 6 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I've found, without looking very hard, deleted revisions at four mainspace titles and one in draft. Your Special:Undelete link doesn't actually point at anything, so I don't know which you meant; but none of the ones I saw have anything I'd be willing to undelete either, even temporarily. —Cryptic 19:35, 6 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment So, based on the above, it sounds like yes, the content as it was will remain deleted indefinitely. Given that that's the case, shouldn't a request for reduction in page creation protection go to WP:RFPP rather than here? Regardless, I think a first step is going to be a draft of a BLP-compliant page that demonstrates appropriateness (V/RS, N, etc.) for Wikipedia sufficient to overcome the risk of past problems resurfacing. Jclemens (talk) 19:45, 6 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Close this request as redundant to the existing, far more thorough, discussion at Wikipedia talk:Source assessment/CWC#RfC CWC. And, I personally find it very suspicious that the proponents of both discussions are relatively new accounts with so few other edits; I'm honestly inclined to indef both of them as only here to stir up trouble but I know that's not how Wikipedia's blocking policy works. * Pppery * in solidarity 20:11, 6 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Horrifying but unsuprising anecdote: very few of the articles on other wikis seem to be organic creations, all posted by relatively new editors ...
    Bclwiki - created by a user with only 23 edits on bclwiki, and only 300 global edits. Apparently per the edit summary and tags a machine translation of the French Wikipedia article.
    Cawiki - created by a temp account with no other edits on the wiki.
    Dewiki - created by a user with no other edits on the wiki, who's blocked on frwiki as a sock. (dewiki imported from frwiki in a way that caused WP:Parallel histories which makes this hard to see)
    Frwiki - created by a user who was later WMF-banned.
    Hewiki seems to be a legitimate organic creation
    Kowiki - created by a temp account with no other edits
    Nlwiki - created by a temp account with few other edits, currently being discussed at that wiki's version of AfD
    Ptwiki seems to be a legitimate organic creation
    Zhwiki - created by a temp account with no other edits, already tagged as a suspected machine translation.
    Finally for good measure the Wikidata item was created by an IP with no other edits to Wikidata. Although Wikidata keeps items on any topic with an article on any Wikipedia, so it would have been created anyway regardless. * Pppery * in solidarity 20:33, 6 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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Talk:Master Grunthos the Flatulent (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore)

while this doesn't matter that much, there is a good chance this talk page was legitimate, in which case the question comes to mind of should it be undeleted or not User "Oreocooke" (speak of the sun and it shines) 01:33, 5 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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Pet Storey (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

Not the most controversial page around, but a problematic WP:NAC nonetheless. There were three extant opinions voiced in the AFD; the delete of the nominator, a keep and a merge. The discussion was then closed as merge by User:VerdictByLogic, which is problematic for three reasons: (a) the user is inexperienced and currently has slightly more than 2,000 edits (b) the consensus does not appear clear at all (c) the choice to merge looks like a blatant WP:SUPERVOTE since VerdictByLogic argues for this choice, with it being VerdictByLogic's own opinion that the subject "does not require" a standalone article. The user also did so when I first asked about this on the talk page. I suggest that the closure be overturned to relist. Geschichte (talk) 11:48, 4 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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List of fungi of South Africa – A (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

This is my first DRV listing, so apologies for any mistakes. I believe this closure should be overturned to merge or the discussion should be at least relisted. While in the discussion there were a total of 2 !votes in favour of merging and 1 opposing, the supporters' rationales were clearly founded on policy-based arguments, while the opposer's only comment didn't mention any policy-based argument. The opposer even agreed with the nominator on the fact that [i]t probably does make sense to organize it using current taxonomy [...] rather than embalming Doidge's original arrangement. This was their only comment, as they did not respond to another editor's reply which addressed their concerns in detail. After I asked the closer, they mostly argued the nominator's support doesn't count and agreed that we need to hear from other people. FaviFake (talk) 15:02, 3 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

  • Endorse. Choess's !vote was solidly anchored in P&G, effectively rebutting the nomination. With only one other !vote supporting the nom, there was no consensus to do anything. The AfD was open for over 23 days, so the call to relist it is baseless. The closer already explained all this to the appellant on his Talk page. Owen× 15:20, 3 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
    the call to relist it is baseless
    Why? The closer and I clearly agree that more discussion was warranted. Per WP:RELIST: (emphasis supplied)

    it may be appropriate to relist the discussion instead of closing, in order to allow for the possibility that further discussion might lead to a discernible consensus. However, relisting should not be a substitute for a no consensus closure. If the closer feels there has been substantive discussion, and disparate opinions supported by policy have been expressed, but consensus has not been achieved, a no-consensus close may be preferable.

    And in the same paragraph a third or fourth relist is allowed. It's common for large bundled merge discussions to take a longer time to wrap up compared to other, single-page nominations, as Stifle said below. FaviFake (talk) 21:19, 3 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
    I believe you are presenting a very liberal (mis-) interpretation of both Doczilla and of Stifle, neither of whom actually called for a relist. Owen× 21:48, 3 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
    I generally keep out of it on the occasions when something I've closed comes up for DRV, but I do feel I should address "The closer and I clearly agree that more discussion was warranted." No, I do not. At first I wondered where the nominator got that idea, but maybe my remark (when the nominator appropriately asked on my talk page) that "we need to hear from other people" is what gave that impression. I could have worded that in past tense to try to be specific to that one AfD instead of using present tense, as I did, to speak about AfDs in general. The AfD had already been relisted twice. From Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting discussions: For several reasons, "relisting discussions merely in the hope of getting sufficient participation is not recommended. In general, a discussion should not be relisted more than twice." (Italics and boldface appear there, not added here for emphasis.) Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 07:04, 4 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, the appellant has a habit of misrepresenting a policy or someone's comment to say what they'd like it to say. Owen× 07:23, 4 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
    That was neither a policy nor a guideline, and I definitely didn't describe falsely an idea, opinion, or situation in that instance, to quote Cambridge Dictionary. FaviFake (talk) 16:19, 4 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
    I can confirm I had no desire to call for a relist. My observation infra was a lament about the lack of wisdom of the consensus the community reached to combine AFD and RM. That consensus having been reached, however, the approved process is as the esteemed Doczilla states above. Stifle (talk) 08:05, 4 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
  • Endorse; there was indeed no consensus and that was the proper closure.
    (This is a demonstration of one of the reasons why crowbarring requested mergers into AFD was a bad idea; merge discussions tend to take a longer time to get agreement and AFD's tighter timelines mean more no-consensus closures which might have germinated into something with more time.) Stifle (talk) 15:48, 3 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Technically speaking, endorse the NC closure and oppose a relist. The discussion was not ample enough or clear in its conclusions to divine a consensus, and it seems unlikely a further relist would change that in the time typically allotted. I agree with Stifle that, doubtless with good intentions, AFD was not a good veniue for this. While not technically wrong to bring it there, it's not a good place to reach a consensus on a complex, multi-page problem that requires subject matter expertise to parse. I'd suggest those recommending a merge open a discussion on relevant article talk pages or project pages, where (with more time and more specialist participation) a consensus may emerge. If that involves deletion, I expect bringing that "3/4-baked" consensus to AFD will find generalist, policy-focused regulars much more willing to endorse it (or object, if not appropriate). If the consensus is just a series of merges, with redirects, and the consensus is undisputed, bringing to AFD may be unnecessary as those merges, if that is indeed the solution, can perhaps be implemented purely editorially. Martinp (talk) 22:40, 3 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Since the AfD-PM merger, formal merge discussions are supposed to be held at AfD (another reason why this was a colossal mistake) Katzrockso (talk) 00:37, 4 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Endorse there is hardly a quorum here, let alone consensus to do anything. Katzrockso (talk) 00:39, 4 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Comment just to clarify, my comment did not "agree with the nominator". It was intended to suggest that the list be overhauled so that species which have been moved to a new genus since Doidge's publication be listed under their current name, rather than the original one. I'm afraid I ducked out after a somewhat cursory engagement, as it was clear that the nominator wasn't very familiar with the subject matter. (The suggestion that the list be cut back to "genuses" is a bit like suggesting a phone directory only list the area codes of individuals, to save space.) I was concerned that protracted engagement would lead me to say something rude that I would regret. This general type of list (organisms of place) is a relatively common one (see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tree of Life/Archive 70#Inclusion criteria for List of organisms of Place); if editors are still concerned about the large size and scope of the list, I think it would be best to solicit advice at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Fungi rather than making major, arbitrary content decisions to facilitate merger. Choess (talk) 02:53, 4 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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Defiant Wrestling (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

Hi there, this is my first time doing a DRV listing so my apologies for the mistakes in this. I thought I'd make sure to give this a try in regards to the topic as the topic at hand is somewhat controversial due to the indefinite deletion decision. So for those who are unaware, from 2017 to 2018, there were a few users on the website who attempted to add an article for a professional wrestling promotion known as Defiant Wrestling. Obviously enough it was deleted for persistent disruptive editing and failed to meet WP:PAID, WP:COI, WP:RS, WP:GNG, and WP:CORPDEPTH guidelines. This time however, since 6 years have passed since the final deletion, I've decided to give the article a try and see if I can piece together anything from various sources and the official website for the promotion. It's still work in progress but you can see the work I've done on the draft here. If anything, I do believe that enough time has passed that it may be time to re-examine the deletions and potentially reinstate the Defiant Wrestling article. Unknownuser45266 (talk) 15:49, 3 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

Go through AFC. The 2nd AfD is at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Defiant_Wrestling_(2nd_nomination) and led to a delete and salt due to COI promotion after the 1st AfD's Stubify conclusion was implemented. However, that was 8 years ago. A new draft can be evaluated on its own merits, and there will be little objection on overturning the salt if indeed notability, sourcing, and COI issues have been addressed. Since you have written such a draft, that can best be evaluated there. I have no opinion on the quality of the sourcing of the draft, but it looks at a quick glance that most of the sources are quite old, and pre-date the 2nd AfD. That doesn't make me optimistic, but I don't know enough about RS in this area to be sure. It does mean there aren't obvious grounds to overturn the 2 AfDs, and hence AFC is the best option. Martinp (talk) 22:50, 3 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
I did a very quick search and I don't see anything that indicates that this topic has become more notable since it was last deleted. Obviously, I could be wrong but I don't think it has much of a chance. Anyway, as Martinp says, AFC would be the way to do it if it is doable at all. (BTW, I recommend to take all the red links out of the draft. Those almost certainly have no chance at all and they just make it look worse.) --DanielRigal (talk) 11:00, 4 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I will do that immediately. Unknownuser45266 (talk) 12:41, 4 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]
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Template:Jews and Judaism category tree (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

(If I remember correctly...) This is a useful meta-reference template for how to categorize various categories & articles related to Jews & Judaism which are not necessarily intuitive to, or easily confused or forgotten by, lay editors. The template was nominated by a now-blocked editor @ Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 October 26#Template:Jews and Judaism category tree, was transcluded on over 1,000 pages, protected for 13 years, and only received 1 vote in the TfD. A next-to-WP:SILENT-consensus I think is insufficient to have warranted a closure, let alone an immediate closure with no relisting.   ~ Tom.Reding (talkdgaf)  22:02, 2 June 2026 (UTC)[reply]

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