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April 2025

Hello, I'm RodRabelo7. I noticed that you recently removed content from Kariri languages without adequately explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the removed content has been restored. If you would like to experiment, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. RodRabelo7 (talk) 06:31, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

"Revival"

A language that's poorly attested—meaning it has little surviving documentation—cannot truly be revived, especially not by marginalized communities with limited resources. Revival, in the full sense, requires detailed records, institutional support, and money. What these communities can do is revitalize: build something new from the fragments that remain, reconnect with identity, and keep the language alive in new ways.

So please stop describing these efforts as "revival" in articles. Especially if you have no connection to the language and, moreover, don't even speak the language of the sources in question. It borders on racism to do something like that, like a white man watching "inferior beings" play with the remnants of the heritage he destroyed from them.

Adopt the maxim "if I don't know, I don't meddle". If I'm curious, I study carefully before attempting to comment, so I don't spread misinformation. Much appreciated. RodRabelo7 (talk) 06:59, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

I find it would be better to let me know in one centralized discussion on this topic alone. Aside from this tangent, I thank you for letting me know about my problematic work and removing it. I will use the suggestions here to further the progress of Wikipedia and try not to misinform.

However, there are a large number of articles on the topic of "Kariri-Xoco" language revitalization and I wououd like some suggestions as how to have it incorporated into Wikipedia. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 12:37, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

Scope of Template:Cyrillic navbox

I'd like to open up a discussion on what should be included within the Cyrillic script navbox, looking for input.

Thanks, Underswamp (talk) 15:29, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Ngiti people moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Ngiti people. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability and I can't verify the IRIN source, whose URL doesn't contain any mention of Ngiti. In any case, at least one more decent source is needed to establish notability. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit the draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. SunloungerFrog (talk) 15:39, 9 May 2025 (UTC)

Campbell 2024

Hello! It seems that Mr.Campbell claims Pomoan, Maiduan, Wintuan and Pawnee languages to be extinct; though, I didn't find any source backing this. He also recognises Comecrudan family. So, should we edit pages according to Campbell? Қатысушы Апельсин (talk) 12:19, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes, although for the states of language extiction we should corroborate this with other sources. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 16:31, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Good 👍 Қатысушы Апельсин (talk) 18:05, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

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Nomination of Solar eclipse of February 28, 2101 for deletion

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Articles containing Khorezmian-language text

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Your draft article, Draft:Ngiti people

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Akabea and Chungli Ao

Yes, I believe we should set up a consensus. And I also believe that we should set one for the Chungli Ao language phonology when displaying Temsunungsang as a primary source to display the symbols in the phonological charts, while having Gowda, as a secondary source. Fdom5997 (talk) 16:31, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

@Fdom5997 The Chungli Ao solution could be to have two phonology tables for each section, like I did with Umotina. I am fairly certain that a consensus was set up in the talk page of Dzubukua about allophones in phoneme charts. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 17:33, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Also I had nothing to do with the Chungli Ao phonology debate. I merely improved the article slightly without contributing to the phonology. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 17:34, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

@Kepler-1229b also that Dzubukua consensus was based on the chart layout. Not on the allophones or rare sounds. Aside from that though, why should we care about another language page? Fdom5997 (talk) 19:59, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Our consensus for decades has been that allophones do not get separate cells in inventory tables. That is reserved for phonemic distinctions, with parentheses for when they are somehow marginal. Where we do indicate allophones, they are clearly presented as variants, typically with a tilde -- for example "ts ~ s". — kwami (talk) 20:36, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

This is confirmed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Linguistics/Phonetics/Phonology template. I'll add a note about parentheticals there. — kwami (talk) 20:41, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

May I introduce you to Talk:Dzubukuá_language#Protected_edit_request_on_26_October_2025? 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 20:51, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Also, we should care about other language pages, because we need to establish a consistent format for language articles. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 20:53, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

Allophones in phonology sections

I really believe we should just simply leave the allophones where they are in the phonetic charts. What hinderance do they give? We really need to lay off the purity-tests here.

Not to mention, as per the Wikipedia:WikiProject Linguistics/Phonetics/Phonology template consensus: "Allophones are not normally shown". "Normally" should imply that they shouldn't *typically* be shown. Fdom5997 (talk) 05:54, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

Why? Where in the guidelines does it explicitly say that allophones should be included? Clearly, the community has decided that they should not be included, per the previous discussions. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 06:08, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

Who cares? There really isn’t a yes or no answer as to whether or not they “should/should not” be included. It’s not detrimental at all to the quality of the article. No need to conform. Fdom5997 (talk) 06:57, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

Clearly we care enough to have 4 or 5 discussions on this topic. There is an answer to the question, which we have established already, and potential viewers may be tricked into thinking allophones of phonemes are merginal or present in loanwords, which is what parentheses indicate. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 18:43, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

Notice of AN/I

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Tuha and Sanzhi language

Hi. I have two things I have to mention and ask you.

Firstly, I have seen you work on an article for the Tuha language in your sandbox. I just wanted to ask if I could take your work and possibly add more sources and information to make it into a new article?

Secondly, I just wanted to mention that the article you created and worked on Draft:Sanzhi language was created and made into an actual article. I also wanted to mention that I removed some unsourced information you added into the article so that the article had a better chance to be accepted, but if you want to add the information back, please provide the sources with them that you used to collect said information.

Thank You and sorry for the 2 month delay to notify you about what happened in the Sanzhi language article. Spino-Soar-Us (talk) 09:24, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for expanding my draft into an actual article. I am focusing on improving other language articles for now, so maybe when I have some time. In the meantime, feel free to edit my Tuha language draft. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 18:16, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

Hi, just a follow up question as to when do you think the article could be ready to go to the mainspace as I would want your approval before moving your article. Thank You. Spino-Soar-Us (talk) 14:20, 22 December 2025 (UTC)

When it is as detailed as possible. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 21:27, 22 December 2025 (UTC)

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Caucasian Albanian language

Hi! Maybe you can help me. With this and this edits you added the Caucasian Albanian name for this language - 𐕒𐕡𐔳𐔼𐕎 𐕌𐕒𐕡𐔵 owdin mowz. Can you remember where did you get this name? Thank you! --Koryakov Yuri (talk) 20:36, 2 January 2026 (UTC)

@Koryakov Yuri Hello. I do not remember where I got the name from and I have moved on to edit other language articles, but feel free to remove it if it is not supported by sources or incorrect. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 01:58, 3 January 2026 (UTC)

Desano moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Desano. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing as a live article at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability and Refs are a mess. Unable to verify if notable. No page number. Passing mentions in sources.. I have converted it to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit the draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. scope_creep^Talk 16:00, 22 January 2026 (UTC)

Guarú language

Hi. I hate to pester a regular, but I just linkified the mentions of Guarú at Yucuna language. Without fixing/creating incomining links, readers might get stuck and not realize your new article exists. In this case there's no ISO link to fix, but that's something to look out for too. (There's a box at ISO 639-3 that will take people to the language if we have the correct rd. I feel that box should be more widely available, but am not sure where to put it.) — kwami (talk) 21:48, 22 January 2026 (UTC)

I added the box to {{Countries and languages lists}}, but that's only transcluded from about 30 articles. If you think of someplace else it would be handy, pls let me know. — kwami (talk) 23:48, 22 January 2026 (UTC)

Tani (letter)

The UTF8 bumpf is undue because it is about a legacy coding scheme. It is off topic.

The decimal equivalent of the hex value is a WP:NOTMANUAL violation. Who needs it? Every phone has a hex to decimal converter for the few people who still write raw html.

All these charmap tables have been cleared out of the Latin alphabet articles.

@Spitzak: maybe you can explain this better? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 18:59, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

@JMF There are still many charmap templates present in articles about letters, such as in all other Georgian letter articles, so those can be removed as well. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 19:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

Alternatively, legacy encodings can be removed from the charmap template altogether. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 19:03, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

It generally seems best to introduce these changes gently, as it means removing material that has been there a long time and people need time to accept that it is obsolete, which means explaining what is being done and why. (It was easier at the Latin alphabet because the clutter argument was rather irrefutable. It is not so obvious here.)

I would be very cautious about changing {{charmap}} because it would be such a big bang. Also, the nice thing about {{unichar}} is that it fetches the canonical Unicode name from Wikidata (rather than being hand-crafted as in charmap), which provides an excellent safety net for typos. I think it is best to work through them and inspect the result before committing but tbf I haven't spotted any errors yet.

If you would like to pick up the relay baton and work through the Georgian (and Armenian?) alphabet, please go right ahead 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 19:45, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

@JMFThis is present in virtually all Latin and Cyrillic articles as well. I am busy with other projects currently, but may be able to do so later. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 19:53, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

No rush. I just pick them off as I see them (and deal with each issue as it arises ). All the main Latin alphabet letters are done, as are most of the associated pre-composed characters. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 19:58, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

Feel free to revert any incorrect changes I have made in this context. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 20:05, 13 February 2026 (UTC)

Tuha language again

Hi, it's me again. If you remember, around 2-3 months ago I asked you if I could edit your sandbox and add onto the Tuha language section. I am coming here to tell you that I believe that at the current moment, I cannot add extra information onto that section anymore and I also believe that it could be moved into the mainspace. The choice of what to do with the section is all up to you now, but I just wanted to let you know this. Thank You. Spino-Soar-Us (talk) 01:55, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

@Spino-Soar-Us I will perhaps consider moving it into mainspace in the next few days. Thank you for notifying me. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 03:32, 4 March 2026 (UTC)

Splitting language articles

		The Original Barnstar
		Thanks for splitting up so many language articles. I lumped a lot of maybe–dialect continua together back when we created articles for all languages identified by ISO, sometimes to follow sources but often just to save work. In many cases the ISO distinction was valid and they had always needed to be split up when the text was expanded. — kwami (talk) 01:09, 10 March 2026 (UTC)

Marimanindji language

Hi, not sure if this should be listed as a branch of Marrithiyel language or not; it's still listed as such there and in the Daly family article. — kwami (talk) 22:50, 17 March 2026 (UTC)

According to Glottolog (based on Tryon 1974) it is independent of the Marrithiyelic and Maringarr-Matige languages. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 03:48, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

That's fine, I just want to be sure readers can find it in the superior nodes, and that we're consistent in the classification (or are clear why we're not, if it's not straightforward). — kwami (talk) 03:58, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

Have you updated the classification in those articles yet? 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 15:46, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

March 2026

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DYK nomination of Solar eclipse of October 22, 2137 BC

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Solar eclipse of October 22, 2137 BC

Hello Kepler-1229b, I'm curious as to what source you are using for the spelling of "occured" and "occuring" with one "r" instead of two. Please refer to the following three dictionaries, all of which show "occurred" and "occurring" with two "r"s. Merriam-Webster Dictionary Cambridge Dictionary American Heritage Dictionary.

Woodlot (talk) 15:51, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

@Woodlot That must be my bad. Feel to fix anything that might be incorrect. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 15:52, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

Rewriting a page draftified for AI use

Hi Kepler! I love the userboxes. I notice you recently edited Draft:The Disobedient Daughter Who Married a Skull, which was sent back to drafts for being written with AI. Did you plan on doing more with it? It looks like there are more sources, but this would be my first TNT or full rewrite, and I'm not sure how to go about it. If you have any ideas or suggestions, I'd be glad to hear them. SenshiSun (talk) 06:06, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

@SenshiSun I probably won't do much. It looks promising though, so I'd find some more sources. Other than that, I have no ideas on improving the suggestions. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 15:53, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

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Talk on YSES 2b

Hey @Kepler-1229b, It's great to have new article but i think having article on two star of same binary system is a bit odd. So, I think it will be better to merge YSES 2b into YSES 2. Abdullah1099 (talk) 04:16, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

The red dwarf YSES 2b is still notable for being a former planet candidate, and the two are located over 2,000 parsecs away and are completely unrelated. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 04:18, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

Ok, I understood this mean both are different star system Abdullah1099 (talk) 04:19, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

Still, it should have an article. Even disproven planet candidates (e.g. Alpha Cen Bb, Gliese 581g) are still notable due to prior extensive coverage. The same applies here. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 04:21, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

Mangbai

Special:Diff/1349516998 my bad, that was my hand. I'll try to clean it up later today. ~ oklopfer (💬) 18:06, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

Ok. I might expand on that article a bit as well. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 18:11, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

Broke the consonant notes out into body sections and redid the vowels to be in a single table. That's all I'll do for now if you want to do any further expansion. Anonby (2008) is quite descriptive and also honest about what is uncertain, but would be nice to have more sources in there. I'm going to tag the page as 1source for now. ~ oklopfer (💬) 23:59, 17 April 2026 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll get started soon. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 00:00, 18 April 2026 (UTC)

Tumʔe

2ary source Sands & Jones (2023) Khoe and San Language Report spell it "Tumʼe", which might be preferable as general orthography, and relegate [tumʔe] to the pronunciation.

Thanks for finding that source, BTW. — kwami (talk) 06:23, 18 April 2026 (UTC)

They don't. I checked it yesterday and they spell it as "Tum'i". There might be a typo in there that spells it as such. Anyway, there is no formal identification of Tum'i as |xam to my knowledge, so I'd like to knownwhere you got that from. I intend to finish the Tum'i article very soon.

🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 16:42, 18 April 2026 (UTC)

Sorry, I got the vowel wrong -- I meant that they don't use the IPA glottal stop letter.

Glottolog identifies the language of the primary sources as ǀXam. — kwami (talk) 21:12, 18 April 2026 (UTC)

It does, and Killian notes many Tum'i words are very similar to |Xam, although scholarly sources and the report treat it as distinct from |Xam, which means it gets its own article. Tum'i can still be mentioned at |Xam. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 21:14, 18 April 2026 (UTC)

I have no problem with it getting its own article. We don't know that the various Tuu lects that we have already have articles on were actually distinct languages.

I don't think the sources treat it as distinct from ǀXam so much as not having enough data to identify it with any known language.

I imagine that Sands has taken the approach that we can't compare it with all extinct ǃKwi lects to see which is closest, while Glottolog believes it to be so close to recorded ǀXam (which anyway had multiple varieties) as to be mutually intelligible. Sands knows the languages better, but Glottolog takes a rather splittist approach to classification, so I think they're both worth mentioning. (We can always ask her.) — kwami (talk) 21:12, 18 April 2026 (UTC)

Yes. I think this is the correct approach. There is a comparison between Tum'i and other Tuu languages in Killian (2020), which I can include in the article. 23:32, 18 April 2026 (UTC) 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 23:32, 18 April 2026 (UTC)

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Nomination of 2003 LA7 for deletion

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DYK closure

Do you mind reformatting your closure at the Lyari football nom so that you leave the "rejected" mark but don't actually close it? It takes two editors to close a nom; one marks it for closure and a second uninvolved editor then closes the nomination. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:52, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

@Dclemens1971 Sure. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 18:53, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

Thank you. P.S. I've nominated the article for deletion. Dclemens1971 (talk) 19:14, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do there. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 19:15, 27 April 2026 (UTC)

Boshof ǃUi

Actually, ǃUi is the doculect name per Güldemann (2018: table 2). Boshof is listed as the location, not the name. — kwami (talk) 03:22, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

@Kwamikagami I prefer the name without the disambiguator as none is needed. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 03:57, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

But the disambiguator is "Boshof". — kwami (talk) 03:58, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

The disambiguator I meant was "language", not "Boshof", the locality where the language was recorded. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 03:59, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

Glottolog does not make additional use of the ǃUi part of the name. This is probably unnecessary, as the language of Boshof is a ǃUi language as is plainly visible in the article. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 03:58, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

Glottolog doesn´t make any use at all, as the dialects where blindly inherited from LingList, where they were assembled by undergrads who didn´t know the literature.

It isn´t the Boshof language, as the people of Boshof don't speak it. The original language of Boshof was Dutch, and the majority language today is Tswana. The data was merely collected in or around Boshof. — kwami (talk) 04:10, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

What I meant in my original reply is that I prefer Boshof ǃUi (wihout the disambiguator "language") to Boshof ǃUi language (the title you originaly moved it to). 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 04:13, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

Ah, sure. That works for me. — kwami (talk) 04:18, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

Citation format question

Hi! I noticed that in the Tumʔi language article page numbers for citations appear directly with the footnote numbers rather than in the citation information (I hope I'm being clear enough). Because I haven't seen that format before, I wanted to know if there are any advantages to it over putting the page numbers in with all the other source information (this is just for my own curiosity, not criticism). Thanks! TouchedWithFire (talk) 09:29, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

@TouchedWithFire I simply prefer it to using sfn. I find it easier to copy the inline refs and add the pages after instead of using a giant citation list and sfn templates. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 16:07, 26 April 2026 (UTC)

Oh I see. Thanks! And once again, cool article. TouchedWithFire (talk) 07:12, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

Your promotion of Template:Did you know nominations/ZTF J1239+8347 to the image slot in Prep 1

We usually leave the image slot open in the last prep to accommodate any moves from other preps/queues that need to happen. See WP:DYKBOTTOMPREP. TarnishedPath^talk 10:06, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

Ps, I've moved it to Prep 6. TarnishedPath^talk 10:06, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

@TarnishedPath Thanks for letting me know. I'll try to avoid that in the future. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 13:59, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

Omniglot reliability

You may have already seen my RfC notices on the languages & linguistics wikiprojects, but when you have time, your input would be greatly appreciated at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Omniglot.

I know that you have had somewhat similar opinions about Omniglot's usage in the past, but also don't want this to come off as just shopping for likemindeds; your opinion outside of my position is important. If you have anything additional to note about the site or its author, such comments would also be greatly appreciated. ~ oklopfer (💬) 15:02, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice. I'll do some diggig into the site. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 15:04, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

Magiana language moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Magiana language. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing as a live article at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability and the text currently relies on Glottolog's mention of the existence of two primary sources from the 18th and 19th century. To merit an article, we need a modern source discussing this language.. I have converted it to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit the draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Boynamedsue (talk) 06:39, 2 May 2026 (UTC)

Wrong subsection?

Just a warning that this !vote by you appears to be in the wrong section - it's in the Discussion section, not the Survey section. You may wish to shift it, with an appropriate edit summary. Boud (talk) 11:43, 7 May 2026 (UTC)

Tnanks for the notification. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 15:50, 7 May 2026 (UTC)

Notability guidelines

In case you're not watching, I started a thread Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Languages#Proposed_notability_guidelines. — kwami (talk) 20:17, 7 May 2026 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	Never had an edit conflict with someone making the exact same edit before. This barnstar should be a shuriken. Cheers! -- LWG talk (VOPOV) 21:10, 11 May 2026 (UTC)

Many thanks, have a barnstar!

		The Linguistics Barnstar
		Thanks for merging Guarani dialects into Guarani languages and taking it off of my todo list! ~ oklopfer (💬) 19:42, 13 May 2026 (UTC)

Thanks, didn't even known this barnstar existed. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 19:45, 13 May 2026 (UTC)

I didn't realize we had two versions of it, one was at {{The Linguistic Barnstar}} and the other at {{Linguistics barnstar}}. I merged them and added the alt to Wikipedia:WikiProject Linguistics#Barnstar now. ~ oklopfer (💬) 20:14, 13 May 2026 (UTC)

Interesting. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 20:16, 13 May 2026 (UTC)

Removing/updating tags

Hi, great job on the languages, just remember to remove the stub tags at the bottom, any at the top, and update the talk pages to start or C class, otherwise they are still registered as stubs. Can you check your entries? Thanks Kepler!♦ Dr. Blofeld 05:12, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

Thanksfor the notification. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 13:58, 15 May 2026 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hi Kepler-1229b. Thank you for your work on Juma dialect. Another editor, SunDawn, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

Thank you for writing the article! Have a blessed weekend!

To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|SunDawn}}. (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

✠ SunDawn ✠ Contact me! 04:05, 16 May 2026 (UTC)

Waikerí language

Hi. At Indigenous languages of the Caribbean, you said it is "objectively false" that Waikeri is unattested. What attestation do we have? — kwami (talk) 02:27, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

@Kwamikagami Gumilla's 1745 book El Orinoco ilustrado y defendido, page 4068. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 02:28, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

It's a single phrase. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 02:28, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

Thanks! — kwami (talk) 02:30, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

Cuaca Patrì, ana, rote, Carinà acusinimbo 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 02:31, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

That says that they were speaking in Carib. Do we have any ref that supports it being Waikeri? — kwami (talk) 02:45, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

Loukotka (1968). 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 02:46, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

Page? I'm not finding it by name or area. — kwami (talk) 03:00, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

He spells it "Guaiqueri". It's on page 215. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 03:01, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

It's not unclassified, then, it's Cariban. But his source says the phrase was in Carib, so that's a problem. It can't be both. — kwami (talk) 03:06, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

Carib is Cariban though, so the Waikeri spoke either Carib(an). 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 03:07, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

That doesn't follow. If they were speaking in Carib, as the primary source states, then Waikeri is unattested. And Carib isn't necessarily Cariban. If the only thing Loukotka had to go on was that one phrase, then he might have recognized the words as being Cariban, but it still doesn't follow that the Waikeri language was Cariban. — kwami (talk) 03:11, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

Then we describe the language as unclassified for now and mention the phrase which Loukotka claims is Waikeri as an actual attestation of Carib. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 03:12, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

Okay. — kwami (talk) 03:13, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Maipure language

Hello! Your submission of Maipure language at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there at your earliest convenience. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! MartinPoulter (talk) 15:55, 18 May 2026 (UTC)

Destubathon Barnstar

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	Much appreciate your effort in the Wikipedia:Destubathon of the Americas contest! Great job!♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:20, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Some tea for you too

Wikipedians also recommend biscuits with tea.

Pikkupapupata ^💌 🌷 has given you a cup of tea, for taking the time to weather a dispute. Tea promotes WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day ever so slightly better.

Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a tea, especially if it is someone you have had disagreements with in the past or someone putting up with some stick at this time. Enjoy!

Spread the lovely, warm, refreshing goodness of tea by adding {{subst:wikitea}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

To say I appreciate your help, support, and guidance would be such an understatement. Thank you so much for jumping in and staying, because it's given me the drive to do the same. Pikkupapupata ^💌 🌷 23:45, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

No problem. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 23:51, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Huge thanks to both of you, the situation has been driving me a bit mad lately. I had tried to be encouraging at first but it quite apparently backfired. ~ oklopfer (💬) 23:55, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Of course! I was watching for a while at first because something seemed off, but I lost track at some point and had no idea how much things had escalated. I hope you're feeling better now. Pikkupapupata ^💌 🌷 00:35, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

As do I. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 00:40, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Categorizing redirects

Re: Pennywoods, it's OK to categorize redirects from alternative article names, see Wikipedia:Categorizing redirects#Alternative names for articles: "The primary function of the category system is to allow readers to browse through articles. The category system is often used like an alphabetical index. It is sometimes helpful for redirects from common alternative names to appear in the index list." Siawase (talk) 07:48, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Nevermind what I did earlier then, feel free to revert. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 13:55, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For your great work on the Bricks & Minifigs–Reckless Ben controversy really a tale of the internet we were promised. Czarking0 (talk) 18:49, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 18:50, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Jorá language

Hello! Your submission of Jorá language at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) at your nomination's entry and respond there at your earliest convenience. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Dahn (talk) 15:43, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

When does tfd notice disappear from articles?

Hi. You closed Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2026 June 5#Template:Historical populations as Keep - I'm wondering when the tfd notice on articles that use the template will disappear. Are we waiting on a bot or something? I may be able to find the answer somewhere, but thought you may be able to tell me quickly. Thanks. Nurg (talk) 21:40, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

@Nurg I'll manually remove them because both templates are inundated with TfD tags. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 21:44, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Looks like {{Historical populations}} is template-protected. I'll open an edit request. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 21:45, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Excellent. It looks like someone has done it at your prompt. Articles no longer defaced. Thanks so much. Nurg (talk) 22:28, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

no problem 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 22:30, 8 June 2026 (UTC)