Talk:WWP (EP)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. You can locate your hook here.No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 talk 09:38, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

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• ... that Tyla was criticized on Twitter after saying that the "we wanna party" chant was South African? Source: Briefly (archived): A Nigerian user on X accused Tyla of being malicious or dense for saying "we wanna party is South African. The netizen pointed out that Nigerian musicians have used the same chant, including Rema and Ayra Starr. The poster concluded by saying that Tyla's claim that the chant was South African was weird.
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5x expanded by Dxneo (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

dxneo (talk) 03:13, 26 July 2025 (UTC).

• Comment: @Dxneo: I'm not convinced this hook is all that interesting. Can you come up with a few other ones, please? Viriditas (talk) 01:49, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that Tyla's EP WWP's low sales sparked a social media debate leading some critics to suggest that her Coloured identity might affect her reception in the U.S.? dxneo (talk) 14:38, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

@Dxneo: I think ALT0 nails the most interesting hook in the article, but it can be shortened considerably to focus on the coloured debate. Viriditas (talk) 19:31, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

Viriditas, I don't see how we can do that since this is about the EP, not Tyla. Any suggestions? dxneo (talk) 20:48, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

@Dxneo: I think you might have misunderstood what I wrote. I'm saying that you can shorten ALT0. It's too wordy. Viriditas (talk) 20:50, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

Viriditas, how do i shorten it tho? ALT1a: ... that Tyla's WWP EP's low U.S. sales sparked debate, with some linking it to her Coloured identity?" or just replace "social media" with "online"? I ran out of juice haha! Please help. dxneo (talk) 21:20, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

dxneo Lots of ways to shorten the hook. You're at 159 characters. You can shorten that considerably and get it down to between 80-140 characters. Play around with it. The shorter the better. You don't need to use so many words to say the same thing. Viriditas (talk) 21:22, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

ALT1b: ... that Tyla's EP WWP's low U.S. sales sparked online debate, with some critics suggesting her Coloured identity may affect her reception? dxneo (talk) 21:47, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

dxneo. ALT1a is the perfect length for a hook. Viriditas (talk) 23:50, 24 August 2025 (UTC)

I realize that the discussion has already moved away from the first hook, but just wanted to note that I removed the body text for that hook to meet WP:BLPBALANCE. Didn't want it to look the nomination started with an un-sourced hook, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 02:44, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

Your summary said that the source did not support the statement, which was not true, but I'll let it slide. dxneo (talk) 12:12, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

• @Dxneo: Comment: The "Composition" section is bordering on non-encyclopedic, non-neutral, and promotional. Example: "Opening with "Dynamite" alongside Wizkid, the duo exchanges seductive lyrics, blending their vocal tones in a catchy, danceable track that carries you from home to the party." Viriditas (talk) 23:16, 25 August 2025 (UTC)

Fixed. dxneo (talk) 00:07, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

@Dxneo: Parts of this article appear to be out of date and require an update: For example: We Wanna Party is scheduled for release in 2025 by FAX and Epic Records. Viriditas (talk) 01:33, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

Yup! The actual mixtape is still coming. Sources, and Tyla herself, called the EP a bridge to the LP. Therefore, I don't think it's out of date. She pulled the very same move with her debut studio album and Christina Aguilera did the same with Aguilera. Oh, and I see you've put commas before the word "and", at GA and PR/FAC, they gonna remove those. Struggled a lot with that in the past. dxneo (talk) 02:20, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

I've never engaged in an argument about commas and don't have any plans to do so in the future. Not at all clear what you mean by "they gonna remove those" so I'll leave it you to use them as you prefer. However, even if the material isn't out of date, the "Background and release" doesn't make much sense the way it is currently written, moving from singles to mixtape, to a scheduled release at some point in the future, to the EP and then back to the mixtape, and then to the future LP. If you think it's fine the way it is currently written, let me know, and I'll drop this and move on to another DYK. Viriditas (talk) 02:45, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

Review needed. Viriditas (talk) 02:46, 26 August 2025 (UTC)

@Dxneo: Not planning on doing a full review of this any time soon, but none of the hooks meet WP:DYKBLP.--Launchballer 00:14, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

Then that's my cue, can't come up with another hook. dxneo (talk) 01:08, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

You can try. The discussion about the streaming metrics is interesting, but you would need to revisit the sources and rewrite it a bit. The point is to not give up so easily and to try and push the envelope of what is possible. I'm currently going slightly crazy writing a draft about an 1889 train robbery in my sandbox, but I know there's a light at the end of the tunnel where I will come out in the end. Just try to see that light and you'll be fine. Viriditas (talk) 01:40, 28 August 2025 (UTC)

@Dxneo: Please address the above.--Launchballer 12:49, 4 September 2025 (UTC)

Thank you Viriditas, I need people like you IRL. Please give me some time to work on it, I will give feedback very soon. dxneo (talk) 22:49, 4 September 2025 (UTC)

I have been revisiting these instructions and the sources, all I can come up with is "that the low sales of Tyla's WWP have sparked an online debate, with some questioning whether her career is already in decline?" Viriditas and Launchballer, care to help, please? dxneo (talk) 00:53, 10 September 2025 (UTC)

Musical works are notoriously hard to find decent hooks for. I think your best bet is something like ALT2: ... that Tyla's 2025 EP was streamed 60 million times on Spotify in its first three weeks and still missed the Billboard Hot 100?--Launchballer 01:37, 10 September 2025 (UTC)

This is truly amazing! The hook needs a little tweak tho, Hot 100 to Billboard 200. Something like ALT2a: ... that Tyla's 2025 EP accumulated 60 million streams on Spotify in its first three weeks, but failed to chart on the Billboard 200? Thoughts? dxneo (talk) 02:15, 10 September 2025 (UTC)

Oh yeah. I wouldn't be able to approve that though - perhaps Viriditas would like to do the honours.--Launchballer 02:18, 10 September 2025 (UTC)

Looks good. Approving ALT2a. This is not a deal breaker for DYK, but the wording in the article is "As of 14 August 2025,". I think that the wording in the hook is more clear and would improve the article. The article meets Wikipedia content policies, has no plagiarism, is long enough, was recently expanded, and is cited with inline citations, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 02:52, 10 September 2025 (UTC)

Reviewing for promotion, and I cannot find the statement in ALT2a that the song failed to chart on the Billboard 200 in the source provided by the article (fn14). Perhaps it's in a different source? Courtesy ping @Dxneo, Launchballer, Rjjiii, and Viriditas: thanks! Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:23, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

I can't find it either. Viriditas (talk) 02:31, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

I checked the Billboard citation. Perhaps this could be made clearer, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 02:43, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

I seriously ran out of juice. dxneo (talk) 19:05, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

• ALT3: ... that Tyla's 2025 EP led to a debate about music streaming metrics of success?
  • @Dxneo, Launchballer, and Rjjiii: Viriditas (talk) 19:53, 20 September 2025 (UTC)
    • Looks good to me. @Dclemens1971:?--Launchballer 14:40, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
    • @Launchballer: Still not seeing a source for ALT3 in the article. It seems like original research based on the sources in the article. There are two opinion sources that claim streams matter more than EP sales (, ). The latter source says there is debate over whether the artist's career is in decline. But where's the source that says the EP's performance led to debate about the metrics themselves? Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:23, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
      • I'm confused. You want the source to explicitly quote the hook word for word? dxneo (talk) 01:36, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
        • @Dxneo: No, there needs to be a source or sources that confirm what the hook says. What source(s) in the article confirm(s) ALT3? The two I reviewed near where the claim is made do not validate the hook's claim. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:41, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
          • @Dclemens1971: The "debate” about music streaming metrics came about from the release of her EP: “The recent chatter on social media, particularly on platforms like TikTok and Instagram, has sparked a perplexing debate: Is Tyla's career, following a breathtaking run this year and the release of a new EP, already in decline? This narrative, fueled by low unit sales figures for her music, misses the mark entirely. To understand what's truly happening, we need to look beyond outdated metrics and into the mechanics of the modern music industry." There are at least two, possibly more, sources that discuss it, including news24 and okayafrica. "Trailblazing South African artist Tyla Seethal continues to be at the centre of social media discourse, this time because of her latest EP titled WWP (We Want to Party) released on 25 July. Last week Chart Data, a popular account on the social media platform X, reported that the EP had only sold 3 700 units in the US in its first week of release. Social media trolls have been having a field day with this revelation. However, music executives who spoke to City Press have debunked the theory that these numbers are indicative of a “flopped career” by the so-called “Uppity African”. Award-winning producer and founder of Shezi Entertainment and Music on The Hill Awards, Innocent Shezi, said that, in today’s digital era, when industry speaks of success or lack thereof, this largely refers to two things: the artist’s streaming numbers and their social media following.” I thought it was clear in the article, but perhaps others are reading it differently and the body content should be modified. Viriditas (talk) 01:45, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
            • @Viriditas: The "debate", such as it is, seems to be between people claiming Tyla's career is over and music executives who claim her career should be measured by different metrics. Per the sources, this is a debate over Tyla's career, not over the nature of streaming metrics; only one side appears to be trying to have that conversation in the source you quoted and thus it's not a debate. Like I said above, I don't see the proposed alt hook validated by a source in the article. If an uninvolved reviewer wants to evaluate it, happy to cede the review. Dclemens1971 (talk) 01:57, 22 September 2025 (UTC)
              • ALT3a: ... that the release of Tyla's 2025 EP was interpreted as both a failure and a success depending on whether it was measured by album sales or streams?
                • @Dclemens1971: Let me know. Viriditas (talk) 01:17, 24 September 2025 (UTC)
              • Note that the nomination turns two months old in three days, so unless the issues are resolved by then, this will be marked for closure per DYKTIMEOUT. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 05:10, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

Dclemens1971, as instructed above, there isn't any time left for this DYK. Therefore, you really need review the latest hook ASAP. dxneo (talk) 11:51, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

@Dxneo: Missed the earlier ping. Modified the end of the hook slightly to remove redundancy ("measured by...metrics"). I see this hook as both interesting and supported by the sources in the article. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:43, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

Standalone EP or...?

The EP alone has received significant coverage in reliable sources to warrant a standalone article. Question is, should we seperate WWP from We Wanna Party as we wait for the full length LP record? dxneo (talk) 17:40, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

It would be better if we sperate this because it can reduce confusions between readers. I had a confusion between WWP and We Wanna Party before.

If we sperate, maybe we can adopt how Aguilera article was sperated to La Fuerza and La Tormenta. Camilasdandelions (talk!) 00:31, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

I'll perform the necessary edits soon, then move it. I also saw that it's already a complete article, there isn't much space for the full-length album here. Thank you so much. dxneo (talk) 01:03, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

Sourcing notes

Reliability

• What makes "EarOne" a high-quality reliable source?

WP:SINGLES? dxneo (talk) 10:35, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

• What makes "Independent Online" a high-quality reliable source?

It was assessed here, here and here. Initially it was green by the way. Not sure what happened. dxneo (talk) 10:35, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

• What makes "OkayAfrica" a high-quality reliable source?

It has been around for the longest of time, and it hasn't been flagged, but it was never analysed. dxneo (talk) 10:35, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

• What makes "Afrocritik" a high-quality reliable source?

Honestly, I don't know. Question, not all sources have been analysed at WP:RS/N, so am I not supposed to use crucial information because it hasn't been there yet? dxneo (talk) 10:35, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

Consistency

• Several citations use the CS2 system instead of CS1 (see the FAX Records citations)

 Done dxneo (talk) 10:35, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

• Reference titles are expected to be in a consistent style for FAC

 Done dxneo (talk) 10:35, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

• Make sure all web references consistently have access dates and archive links, if that is the style

 Done dxneo (talk) 10:35, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

Other comments

• Do we need the citation bundle?

Fixed Y dxneo (talk) 10:35, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

• Look over work titles in reference titles: albums and shows should have italics, songs should have double (or single if enclosed in double) quotes. Any other punctuation or formatting from the source should not be kept when converting to Wikipedia style

 Done dxneo (talk) 10:35, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

• Hyphens should be normalised to dashes when used for that purpose

 Done dxneo (talk) 10:35, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

Happy to help per my talk. Thanks, UpTheOctave! • 8^va? 12:44, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

Hello UpTheOctave!. I have addressed every issue you've raised. Check if there's anything I've missed, or any other problem. dxneo (talk) 10:35, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

Peer review

WWP (EP)

Passed GA, aiming for FA. Constructive comments of any kind will be highly appreciated. dxneo (talk) 03:00, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

FAC PR sidebar

@Dxneo: I have added the article to the Template:FAC peer review sidebar. Please consider reviewing other articles listed there. Z1720 (talk) 16:16, 7 June 2026 (UTC)