Talk:Vladimir Lenin

5 million is more than 400,000

Here is the article: Caused in part by a drought, the Russian famine of 1921 was the most severe that the country had experienced since that of 1891, resulting in around five million deaths.

Here is the lede of the article on the 1891 famine: The 1891–1892 famine in the Russian Empire, sometimes called the Tsar Famine, Tsar's Famine or Black Earth Famine, began along the Volga River and spread as far as the Urals and Black Sea. During the famine, an epidemic also raged, in total 375,000-400,000 died from hunger and disease, mainly from diseases.

Don't revert my change and tell me I am disruptive. 5 million deaths is worse than 400,000 deaths. The article is wrong and must be changed. Don't fob me off saying the claim is sourced. If an academic source says the Moon is made of cheese, you don't get to write that in the article on the Moon. Switch your brains on for goodness sake people! LastDodo (talk) 10:33, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

bruh just change it yourself no one's gonna say you a word 2.63.181.166 (talk) 00:30, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

We are if they try to cite Quora like they did a few years ago. Remsense ‥ 论 00:59, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

You are fixating on nothing. It is completely clear what the passage is saying, and it is correct. It is not saying that 1921–1922 had a lower body count than 1891, it is referencing the most recent major famine, whose legacy would've been important to actors in this period of Russian history. Your multi-year insistence on the unjustified extrapolation that it must be saying the former is indeed disruptive. Move on. Remsense ‥ 论 00:32, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

If I say 'this was the worst storm in ten years' I am implying there was a storm ten years ago worse than the current one. If I say 'he was the worst Prime Minister since Lord North' (which became a common thing to say after that man's premiership), I am implying the PM I am referring to is bad, but Lord North was worse. Likewise, if I say a famine is the worst since some earlier one, I am implying the earlier one was worse. It is like writing 'the September 11th 2001 terrorist attack was the worst one since the attack on the World Trade Centre in 1993'. I could not defend such a statement by saying 'It is not saying that 9/11 had a lower body count than 1993, it is referencing the most recent major terrorist attack whose legacy would've been important to actors in this period of American history'. That would be an obvious nonsense. LastDodo (talk) 11:57, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

In this case, it says exactly what it says: 1921 was the worst famine since 1891. The latter is relevant because it was a point of comparison for many experiencing 1921. That's why it makes no sense to do what you thought to do and plunge backward into the medieval era. Remsense ‥ 论 17:50, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

SO if I said that 9/11 was the worst terrorist attack in the USA since the Oklahoma bombing of 1995, would you agree? LastDodo (talk) 12:51, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

Sure would, yes. That scans to me, and it would even more so in the context of running prose akin to the passage here. Remsense ‥ 论 17:06, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

Well that seems totally mad to me, so all I can say is, I think this dicussion should be left here for a while for other people to read and comment on. I am hoping they will see sense. In the mean time, I suggest you tell people in real life that 9/11 was the worst terrorist attack since the Oklahoma bombing, or that Novak Djokovic is greatest male tennis player since Pete Sampras, or that WWI was the deadliest war since the Crimean War, and see what reaction you get. LastDodo (talk) 11:09, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

@Remsense: I know this discussion is over but I simply cannot let this slide. The phrase "X is the worst event since Y" means that Y is worse than X. Saying that 9/11 was the worst since Oklahoma City is semantically false. In this case, it should be "9/11 was the deadliest attack. ever." Or maybe "Oklahoma City was the worst attack and was surpassed by 9/11".

Let me take a more recent example: in 2025 Cebu earthquake, it says it was "the deadliest in the country since 2013". Now compare 68 deaths (2025) to 222 deaths (2013) and there we have it. Hugoaway (talk) 11:08, 3 October 2025 (UTC)

Perhaps it would help if someone could quote the relevant section from the source, which I do not have access to. Is Ryan perchance referring to the harvest failure rather than the famine, or something like that? LastDodo (talk) 12:28, 30 January 2025 (UTC)

Managed to access the book through my university’s library. Ryan doesn’t mention the 1891 famine at all; he just states that the death toll of the 1921 famine was 5 million. I would support removing the connection unless another source mentions it. 296cherry (talk) 03:04, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

I could've sworn I double-checked BEFORE getting into a fight about this. Well I'll be. Remsense ‥ 论 03:12, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

It’s no problem, we all make mistakes. I wish information was democratized so everyone could access sources easily. 296cherry (talk) 18:08, 11 March 2025 (UTC)

Well, Hallelujah. What a ridiculous uphill battle that was. LastDodo (talk) 08:08, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

Mea culpa. Remsense 🌈 论 13:29, 12 June 2025 (UTC)

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Infobox formatting

Hi, I propose changing |birth_place=Simbirsk, Russia and |death_place=Gorki, Soviet Union back to |birth_place=Simbirsk, Russian Empire and |death_place=Gorki, Russian SFSR, Soviet Union, respectively, cuz 1) there is no consensus for the exclusion of "Russian SFSR", see Template talk:Infobox person#Subordinate countries in infoboxes and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Russia#RfC: Omission of Russian SFSR from biographical infoboxes 2) the current infobox is absolutely uninformative to me 3) to me, it does not make much sense to write simply "Russia" instead of "Russian Empire" if we include "Russian SFSR" below. Let's not misuse MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE. Thedarkknightli (talk) 19:14, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

Its part of the consensus, similar that to discussion Talk:Joseph Stalin/Archive 25#Linking subdivisions and Talk:Dmitri Shostakovich#RfC: Infobox Dispute for discussing about Russian places on the infobox should be concisely. Here's an example, for Vladimir Vysotsky's infobox, see this, this and that should be concise, stated that Moscow, Soviet Union, not Moscow, Russian SFSR, Soviet Union. Other prominent Soviet people Maxim Gorky, Dmitri Shostakovich, Joseph Stalin as well. Absolutiva 22:08, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

Agree - the concise version should be retained. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:24, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

Would you guys mind if I take this to WP:DRN, then? Thedarkknightli (talk) 11:00, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

Hello again guys, just wanna inform you the DRN case I filed has been closed. Thedarkknightli (talk) 14:56, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

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Famous Lenin quote

It would summarise well the intentions of Lenin and communism/marxism methods if somewhere in the article everybody could read his famous quote : "We must be ready to employ trickery, deceit, law-breaking, withholding and concealing truth. … We can and must write in a language that sows among the masses hate, revulsion, and scorn toward those who disagree with us. ,, ~2026-31398-38 (talk) 16:42, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

Where does this quote come from?--Jack Upland (talk) 02:21, 26 May 2026 (UTC)