Talk:Peter Dutton

Peter Dutton picture

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Hi TarnishedPath! I think it is pretty clear that so many users don't agree on the photo for Peter Dutton. Quick note; I am not a Liberal. I myself despise both the Major parties (Labor and the Coalition). Anyways, clearly a discussion is needed on photo. We should get one started. Also, with your last edit, fact check: "It is not a fact it is a better quality image, it's just an opinion". Ultimately, we supposed to publish our opinions, but sometimes we have to vote with our opinions (Such as on best photo). A discussion might be the only way to end this dispute. I am about to go to sleep. But the most popular photos should be in the voting options. Thank you Servite et contribuere (talk) 16:54, 20 March 2025 (UTC)

@Servite et contribuere, I agree that the best course of action is discussion.

Ps, my last edit summary when reverting back to the image which I believe is better was "no it's not a better quality image. His head is turned off to the side. Please start a discussion in talk if you want to pursue that change.

Anyway I'll make another comment below soon with some options. TarnishedPath^talk 00:06, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

TarnishedPath I have also notified WP:Project:AUS about this discussion Servite et contribuere (talk) 03:05, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

@Servite et contribuere thanks for that. TarnishedPath^talk 03:22, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

TarnishedPath On the talk page. I have made mistakes in the past. I hope putting it on the talk page is the correct way to do it. I try to do my best. If I make a mistake, please let me know on my talk page Servite et contribuere (talk) 03:26, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

@Servite et contribuere, placing neutrally worded notifications on relevant Wiki project pages is generally acceptable and a good idea. TarnishedPath^talk 03:33, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

TarnishedPath Did I not make it seem neutral? Servite et contribuere (talk) 03:40, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

It was neutral. Sorry I should have explicitly stated that. TarnishedPath^talk 03:48, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

• Which photo should be used in the infobox to illustrate the subject?

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  A
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  B
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  C

TarnishedPath^talk 00:19, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

I reckon A for a couple of reasons. Firstly it is the most recent photo and secondly Dutton is facing the camera and doesn't have his head tilted off to the side so that you can't see most of one side of his face. TarnishedPath^talk 00:20, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

TarnishedPath My argument against A is that it is the more pixelated one. The rest aren't as pixelated. Servite et contribuere (talk) 02:40, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

I don't think that any slight increase is pixelation is so bad that it makes the image unusuable for an infobox image. The image is still illustrative of the subject as they are now. TarnishedPath^talk 02:52, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes, and the colours look off which make him look colder; unless you want this article to appear biased you should reconsider using this image. I think C is a bit strange because although you can see colours much better than in A, Dutton looks a bit sad, but it is a focused sort of look so that might be OK to use. B also has Dutton in very strange lighting conditions; the Great Hall of Parliament really does not have optimal lighting conditions for really any photographic scenario. Qwerty123M (talk) 02:56, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

A - per your reasoning and to ensure consistency with Anthony Albanese and Adam Bandt. MiasmaEternal☎ 01:15, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

A -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 02:51, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

B seems the best, as despite the subject not facing the camera the photo is higher quality and the lighting is much better (A looks washed out). 2023 is recent enough that I don't consider A's 2024 a substantial advantage in that respect. CMD (talk) 02:57, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

Chipmunkdavis I Agree. A looks totally washed out and pixelated. Servite et contribuere (talk) 02:59, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

B. The only bad picture is A it looks slightly pixelated and totally washed out. Changing vote to just B Servite et contribuere (talk) 03:04, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

I think C is the worse of the lot. It's not at all a flattering picture. TarnishedPath^talk 03:20, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

A or B. I don't think C even really resembles Dutton, it's very poorly framed. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 03:08, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

B - higher quality image. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 03:10, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

I agree with the critique of C. TarnishedPath^talk 03:21, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: There are are more images at c:Category:Peter Dutton. If anyone thinks any of those are preferrable to the three I put above, please add them. I only choose the last three images to be used in the infobox. TarnishedPath^talk 03:27, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

  I had a look before, but didn't see anything obviously good. It's strange how few photos we have honestly. CMD (talk) 03:40, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

  @Chipmunkdavis, Unfortanetly in a lot of the photos from during COVID he was wearing face masks. Crops of the below might be other options to choose from if they weren't so old.

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TarnishedPath^talk 03:55, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

TarnishedPath I definitely think we should wait for more votes to come in. I think it would be weird to end a discussion within hours. Maybe a few days or a week should do. Thank you Servite et contribuere (talk) 06:18, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

@Servite et contribuere, I had no intention of closing it off within hours. There's no rush with these things. This discussion could even continue after the election when we might have better images to choose from. TarnishedPath^talk 10:36, 21 March 2025 (UTC)

You're right to say that these images should not be preferred as they are old and Dutton's face may have changed somewhat since then; however we should not give zero consideration to them as this article and some other articles with the same image as this article (such as those for the 2025 Australian federal election) has a very pressing need for a clear image, especially going into an election campaign I think voters want to be able to look up the Opposition Leader online and see most of the details of what he has done in Parliament to date with a clear representation of what his face looks like.

Out of the two shown here, I am leaning more towards the latter, as it does not contain the shadow shown in the first image in his press conference background.

Having cropped the image, the aforementioned latter image looks really good, it's a shame that it's an old image and you see that as a barrier to using it, but I don't see the image's age as such a barrier, he's not substantially different in terms of appearance (I don't know how to judge these facial features well); I do however think the fact that Dutton is on a side profile looks odd but it's not an extreme impediment to seeing the rest of his face; again quality is an issue but in this image it's better than option A first proposed and used in this article and others related to the upcoming election, the cropped image certainly much better in terms of colour temperature. I have attached an image of the crop I have extracted.

Qwerty123M (talk) 06:32, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

If I was going to use that image I would crop per below. It is quite a good photo, as he doesn't have his mouth open in an unflattering manner like he does in a lot of his photos. However it is almost 7 years old and Dutton has aged a bit since then.

TarnishedPath^talk 08:57, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

• B image is of higher quality. 1.145.218.29 (talk) 19:43, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

  "Quality" in which sense? The number of pixels in the original photograph has (almost) no bearing on the presentation in the article's infobox at 220×293 px. In an infobox, the picture ought to be a close up; that's why I consider A a better option than B. C presents the subject rather unfavourably. Crops of the images suggested by TarnishedPath could also be considered, once they exist, but frankly, I can't see the value of making that effort. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 23:46, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

  I don't see any value in performing the crops either, which is why I haven't TarnishedPath^talk 00:01, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

  I read a general consensus that none of the images are of particularly outstanding quality. (The photos of Albanese and Bandt were raised as comparisons above, and you can see crops of them both along with A at 2025 Australian federal election.) I suspect that means that as soon as someone takes a better photo during the upcoming election campaign, any decisions made here would quickly become outdated. CMD (talk) 03:17, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

  Agreed. TarnishedPath^talk 03:37, 24 March 2025 (UTC)

B - highest quality and greatest likeness. 115.64.72.106 (talk) 20:50, 26 March 2025 (UTC)

• Essentially, I support the use of option C, oppose all others including A which is currently displayed and is of very low-quality, exhibiting negative features such as blurriness.

I only support option C as that has the best quality and most optimal lighting, however it is difficult to strongly recommend that because Dutton looks completely unflattering in that image however if that is what the community judges to be the most natural expression then so be it. I heavily oppose option B because when you crop the image to essential details — considering that the image has too much of his full body included when the image is not cropped well — the image looks much lower in quality. I also heavily oppose option A being used as currently on this article and the article for the 2025 Australian federal election and related pages because it really does look like he is standing in a freezer (he's not Boris Johnson trying to avoid that interview during the 2019 United Kingdom general election campaign!), in addition the image looks very blurry. Qwerty123M (talk) 05:27, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

• I would support B most strongly, as it's the most flattering and "normal" photo, if such a thing exists. A is washed out and oddly lit, and C is also very unflattering. B is not ideal, but I think is the best of the 3. My ranking would be B, A, C. GraziePrego (talk) 01:40, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

• Hello all, just wanted to join this discussion to present another picture that could be potentially used for the infobox. I have linked it above; it is a recent picture with a clear, straight-on angle of his face. As far as pictures of Dutton go on Wikipedia, in my opinion, this is the best one we have. Please let me know your thoughts. DTH89 (talk) 04:51, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

@DTH89 unfortunately Dutton has a habit having his mouth open in an unflattering manner when being photographed. The photo you posted is one such example. TarnishedPath^talk 07:35, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

He looks cranky in that picture. You really cannot see his eyes very well in that one which is not very good to represent his facial details on an article. Qwerty123M (talk) 08:02, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

• @Zaglossus1976: please see discussion here. TarnishedPath^talk 05:53, 12 May 2026 (UTC)
• Without meaning offence to editors who support it, I think A is a pretty terrible option. The lighting is poor and the resolution is also rather low-quality. B is also quite low-resolution and I suppose out of the options presented I support C, but the facial expression there is not the best. TarnishedPath raised the 2018 photo of Peter Dutton as an option and I would say that I think that is the best option here, given the facial expression and resolution. Even if it is an old photo, I would say it fulfils the WP:LEDEIMAGE requirements of being a natural and appropriate representation of the article's subject. --LivelyRatification (talk) 12:52, 24 May 2026 (UTC)

  The 2018 image is probably the most flattering and my only argument against it is the age. I have a preference for A, but I wouldn't complain about the 2018 image. I don't think either B or C are suitable. TarnishedPath^talk 00:22, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

References

Incumbency

Is Dutton still technically leader currently? And therefore leader of the opposition? Ilovedalone (talk) 08:45, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

its already done. the infobox doesn't say Dutton's position is incumbent. He isn't opposition either. The acronym TBD where successor is means to be determined. MrActiniuM ^{(talk) (contribs)} 10:42, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Rather, I mean, isn’t he still Leader of the Liberal Party? Does he lose this office by virtue of losing the election? He lost his seat, yes, but is he not still leader until a spill is declared at the next Liberal party meeting? Ilovedalone (talk) 09:01, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

@Ilovedalone He isn't leader of the Liberal party anymore. Yes, he stepped down due to the election loss. I just got this source from ABC News, so you know. MrActiniuM ^{(talk) (contribs)} 09:27, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

Why is the lead photo such poor quality?

Surely we have a better image we can use?

I never thought much of this guy but we're constructing an encyclopaedia, not throwing rocks at people we don't like. If there's a good quality image of a politician that doesn't make them look like a clown, we should use it. Even that jerk Trump has a good photo. --Pete (talk) 08:59, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

@Skyring, please see the discussion above at Talk:Peter_Dutton#Peter_Dutton_picture, which so far as come to no consensus. TarnishedPath^talk 21:24, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I read that. Time to move forward. As a photographer, I can say that A sucks. We can do better than this. --Pete (talk) 05:32, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

Go take a good photo of him then and while doing so get him to stop doing that thing with his mouth. At present we don't have much to choose from. TarnishedPath^talk 05:33, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

Trump has a good photo because his government has a longstanding policy and practice of taking good photos and releasing them under free licences. If someone could convince the Australian government, the Liberal Party, or perhaps Dutton himself to do the same, that would be helpful in situations like this one. CMD (talk) 02:13, 25 May 2026 (UTC)