Talk:Marcello Caetano

Factual accuracy

I find the statement that the war in Africa was consuming 40% of the national budget dubious. That is the sort of figure associated with a national war of survival. It needs a credible source or to be removed. CalJW 20:08, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

I have seen it cited many times here in Wikipedia and, having studied the Portuguese economy during the 60's and 70's to a rather extensive degree, I can confirm that it is definetely not true. --MiguelFC 19:25, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Strange expression

In the marriage and descendants section, all the descendants are listed after the phrase "and had issue". This sounds weird. Granted I'm not a native english speaker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.231.254.60 (talk) 20:41, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, it is quite archaic, and even then normally reserved for genealogies of royal houses. Should probably be reworded to sound less of a genealogical chart, too. --Ilja.nieuwland (talk) 21:02, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

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Article title change to Marcello Caetano

It should be edited to Caetano's actual given name, also mentioned in the article's lead section and infobox 188.27.164.227 (talk) 10:13, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Marcello Caetano is the correct spelling. 'Marcelo" with a single L is a misspelling, and I'm surprised this still has not been corrected. Aren Noronha (talk) 07:44, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

==Marcelo or Marcello Which is correct?

Caetano and the Estado Novo were not Fascist

The reliable sources agree that Salazar, Caetano and the Estado Novo were not Fascist. Here are quotes from five reliable sources: 1) Carlos A. Cunha, ‎(2010) states "A comparison of Salazar's dictatorship with German or Italian fascism shows that Portugal was not a fascist state." 2) Bernard Cook, (2001) states "he was not a fascist but rather an authoritarian conservative. " 3) Portuguese Studies Review - Volume 2 - Page 109 (1993) "an authoritarian or clerico-corporatist state not a fascist one." 4) António Costa Pinto - 1991 states "He was not a fascist, but a reactionary" 5) Fascism in Europe, 1919-1945 (Routledge Companions) by Philip Morgan (2002) states: "Lacking the impulse and will for wars of expansion, and the need, then, to organize their populations for war, where reasons why the authoritarian regimes of Salazar and Franco never became totalitarian. p 177.

Opposed to democracy, communism, socialism, anarchism and liberalism, Salazar's rule was conservative and nationalist in nature. Salazar distanced himself from fascist dictatorships, which he considered a pagan Caesarist political system that recognised neither legal nor moral limits. Salazar viewed German Nazism as espousing pagan elements that he considered repugnant.(see Hugh Kay, Salazar and Modern Portugal, pay 68)--J Pratas (talk) 08:12, 6 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 June 2019

Since no consensus has been reached, it would be good to readd the categories "Portuguese fascists" and "Fascist rulers". 177.206.169.213 (talk) 02:07, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Since the article was protected in April, there has been no discussion on the talk page. There has also been no attempts to add the request categories (there were several prior to the protection). Please gain consensus by starting a talk page discussion. NiciVampireHeart 12:48, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Request to Change Page Title to 'Marcello Caetano' instead of "Marcelo Caetano" (incorrect spelling)

'Marcello' (with two l's) is the correct spelling of his name, not 'Marcelo'. It's even spelt correctly in his birth name category here. For verification, one can also check the Portuguese Wikipedia page for Marcello Caetano. This was also pointed out 8 years ago on this talk page.

I am unable to make the move myself. I request an editor to kindly assist with this. Thanks. Aren Noronha (talk) 07:52, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

@Aren Noronha you can move it yourself, see WP:Move. However the proposed name seems to be already a redirect to this one. So I'd suggest listing your request at WP:RM Rejoy²⁰⁰³(talk) 14:03, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks, listed the request there. Aren Noronha (talk) 17:45, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

Requested move 20 June 2026

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Jeffrey34555 (talk) 14:17, 27 June 2026 (UTC)

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Marcelo Caetano → Marcello Caetano – Incorrect spelling of name, and unable to move page as redirect page already exists. 'Marcello' (with two l's) is the correct spelling of his name, not 'Marcelo'. See [] and the Portuguese Wikipedia page for Marcello Caetano. Thanks Aren Noronha (talk) 16:22, 17 June 2026 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). ~ŤheŴubṂachine-840≈ ● ✒️ 17:24, 20 June 2026 (UTC)

Support — Here's an Ngram comparing 'Marcello Caetano' and 'Marcelo Caetano' (only English unfortunately, as there's no Portuguese), with a slight prevalence for Marcello, especially during his reign.

See Infopédia (for Portuguese) which uses Marcello Caetano (with two l's).

Also see 'Marcello Caetano' in Google Books Search vs. 'Marcelo Caetano'; in English, where Marcello (with two l's) is clearly prevalent. All prominent book titles use "Marcello Caetano", and none use the alternative "Marcelo", here.

"Marcello" (with two l's) is his official birth name, never changed during his lifetime (or afterwards, even). The alternative spelling 'Marcelo' emerges from the 1990 New Portuguese Orthographic Agreement spelling of the name 'Marcelo', where preference has shifted for spelling the general common name as 'Marcelo' (just to explain this preference). However, Caetano's first name was never changed, and the single l usage is just an adaptation to new orthography by some, which I do not support as I don't think it wise to change posthumously the name of a historical figure just to fit modern orthography. By any means, Marcello (with two l's) is more popular.

Marcello Caetano is the correct spelling of his name, even though Marcelo is the standard Portuguese spelling of the given name today. Aren Noronha (talk) 10:54, 21 June 2026 (UTC)

Support per above Axolitl (talk | contribs) 14:45, 21 June 2026 (UTC)

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