Talk:Hurricane Jeanne

Article?

Let's not let this become a precedent, shall we? Consensus seemed to be that being a named storm is not an automatic criteria for getting its own article. Yes, yes, I've been proven wrong ... every single time I've said this, but still! Consensus! Standards! ... And yeah, it looks like this might be worthy. :P --Golbez 00:02, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd say that this is a bit quick for notability. I wouldn't have created it until it actually did something worthy of having a separate article - there's really no harm in waiting. --Goobergunch 00:40, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)

And keep in mind, when we move it, move it to Hurricane Jeanne (2004), not to 2004's Hurricane Jeanne or to Hurricane Jeanne itself. It'll have to do a lot to deserve that article. --Golbez 00:31, Sep 15, 2004 (UTC)

You’re not exactly adding to “the sum of all human knowledge” if you neglect events that haven’t yet passed some arbitrary criteria for “doing something.”

Nothing about "adding to the sum of all human knowledge" implies that we should throw separate articles all over the place. The same information is there, it's just not broken out into tiny little pieces unnecessarily. -- Cyrius|✎ 14:51, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Not a single person has neglected events, we are simply wisely placing them where they will be best. If you can demonstrate an aspect of Hurricane Jeanne that has been ignored, please, point it out. --Golbez 15:12, Sep 21, 2004 (UTC)

Dammit Golbez, you jinxed it again! :D

Here we go

Took them til J, but it looks like we might finally have a storm that can threaten me. (Charlotte, NC) --Golbez 21:52, Sep 16, 2004 (UTC)

Look at that. Ten days later, and how right am I? Look at the 5am Sept 26 map, and the line goes right through Charlotte. Damn, I'm good. (the little zigzag in the NC/SC border) --Golbez 09:27, Sep 26, 2004 (UTC)

Hah, just wait another 12 hours ;-) This storm has its own mind Awolf002 09:37, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I love wikipedia.

The major language being spoken by those currently impacted by Jeanne is Spanish, and sure enough, an es: link just showed up, using some of our material and some of their own. If I knew Spanish, I might try to take some of what they said (if any was new) and copy it over here. Let's not forget our Spanish brothers and sisters as we build these pages, they are being clobbered just as much, perhaps more, this season as the English speakers. --Golbez 00:53, Sep 17, 2004 (UTC)

Naming

Given the Haitian death toll (which keeps rising in an unsettling manner), it's very likely that the name Jeanne will be retired. Current practice is to put the retired storm at the unqualified name, so I'm going to just go ahead and move this to Hurricane Jeanne. Assuming there are no real objections in the next couple of days. -- Cyrius|✎ 06:00, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I was thinking the same thing. Full support. And if for some unknown reason they don't retire it, then we deal with it in 2010. :P --Golbez

I'll be sure to leave that comment there so whoever's dealing with super-hurricane Jeanne of 2010 will be able to look back and curse your name :) -- Cyrius|✎ 11:58, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Bwaha, then my legacy lives on! --Golbez 16:10, Sep 22, 2004 (UTC)

Personally, I'm in favor of a wait-and-see approach. Especially if Jeanne hits North Carolina as it looks like it's going to do now, then there'll be a stronger argument. Geesh, there've been a lot of hurricanes this year that merited retirement, haven't there? --Goobergunch 20:35, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I doubt it'll to the same human damage that it did in Haiti if it hits NC, unless it somehow balloons to a cat 4 between now and then... I figure 700 dead is well above the retirement threshold. Charley, Frances, Ivan and now Jeanne are all likely to be retired - and there's still two months left! --Golbez 21:07, Sep 22, 2004 (UTC)

I'm just glad we're coming off the seasonal peak. Trying to keep up with these things is tiring. -- Cyrius|✎ 07:14, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Retirement

I would say that it is kinda iffy right now. While there is definitely a good case for retirement right now, Haiti has not been terribly reliable in making cases for retirement (remember Gordon in 1994, over 2000 killed and yet it remains on the list). If it makes another landfall, then it should be retired for sure, but for now I'd say it is 'questionable'. There has never been more than four retired names from any one season, that should be broken this year...

Yeah, the criteria for retirement can be really weird. Some storms that killed a dozen and did a billion in damage are retired; Gordon wasn't. We will see. Again, if it doesn't get retired, then 2010 can sue me. :P (Of course, the odds of the 2010 Jeanne being more worthy of the main article than the 2004 Jeanne are low; but if it makes it, then hey, moving pages is easy.) --Golbez 00:53, Sep 23, 2004 (UTC)

It's happened once before that such a situation happened - Hurricane Juan (1985) which was overlooked by the US in making a retirement case, then Hurricane Juan (2003) was made by Environment Canada, which ended its misery and got itself the main article...I wonder if the US played a role in helping out 18 years later...

Death toll's up to 1,000. They'll likely retire it just to avoid the bad PR of not doing so. -- Cyrius|✎ 07:09, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Since it is headed for landfall in Florida as a hurricane (probably a major hurricane), I think it is safe to give Jeanne the main article now, this should be the 4th name of 2004 retired. (There has never been a year with 5 or more names retired, this very well could be a record-breaking year if there is a devastating storm in October)

Thanks a lot! Are you trying to jinx us? Awolf002 23:04, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Not intending to, but that seems to be where Jeanne is headed...hopefully this is it for them but there is still 6-8 weeks left before things calm down (10 weeks left in hurricane season)!

But fortunately the peak of the season has passed. Tom 02:13, Sep 24, 2004 (UTC)

According to this story, the U.S. is recommending the retirement of all four nasty 2004 storms, to be ratified at the 2005 WMO Hurricane Committee meeting in Costa Rica from 31 March to 5 April. --Goobergunch|? 01:56, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Outcome, per List of retired Atlantic hurricane names#Names retired in the 2000s, is no more Jeanne, but also no more Hurricane Charley, Hurricane Frances nor Hurricane Ivan, after their combined toll of 3,249 deaths and US$60.7 billion (equivalent to $103.5 billion in 2025) in damage in 2004. Jmg38 (talk) 01:19, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

HOORAY

Hooray for Sir August de Wynter from The Avengers!

Eh? -- Cyrius|✎ 00:37, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

In reference to a similarly odd comment left on one of the other pages. No clue, haven't seen the Avengers. --Golbez 00:44, Sep 25, 2004 (UTC)

Here's the IMBD: . The movie features a villain with a weather machine. This must be from the only person who liked the movie ;-) Awolf002 00:56, 25 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Oddness

I grabbed the Melbourne radar image from Jeanne's landfall. Oddly enough, I had the one from Frances lying around. The similarities are scary. I'll see if I can find a place to put them so I can have an excuse to upload them for comparisons. -- Cyrius|✎ 07:18, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I think there is about a 5 mi difference in landfall. Looks like twins, but for the speed. Awolf002 08:39, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Map

The map of Jeanne's predicted path needs to be updated. The caption states Sep. 26, but the image is from Sep 23. The new map is on www.noaa.gov. I would do it myself, but I'm not sure how to edit picture yet. 131.247.46.203 23:16, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

You're seeing a cached version, the image has been updated quite a few times since the 23rd. -- Cyrius|✎ 23:32, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Moving

Well, that was fun. Unfortunately, the history for the article seems to have been wiped by all the moving. Is it possible to restore? --Golbez 18:33, Sep 27, 2004 (UTC)

It should be now. --mav 19:16, 27 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Combining category and sust wind speeds.

That seems to clean the table up a bit imho, if there's no objection I'll do the same for the other storms too. [[User:Tomf688|Tom]] 12:37, Oct 23, 2004 (UTC)

Todo

One big problem with this article is lack of references. Jdorje 07:07, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

Storm history is good but no preparations and short on impact, considering the intensity. Downgraded to Start. CrazyC83 06:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

If it had more references, we might think of B class. Thegreatdr 18:53, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

It needs more info in general. There's nothing on preps or aftermath. The United States section is only two paragraphs - far too short for a 7 billion dollar storm. Hurricanehink (talk) 19:41, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I found some digital photos I took back in 2004 and uploaded them to WikiCommons. Good thing they are dated files, otherwise I would not be able to tell the difference in which hurricane the photos belong to! (Resident of Daytona Beach, Florida - Survivor of Hurricane Charley, Frances, Jeanne...) Gamweb 17:14, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Is an article Effects of hurricane Jeanne in Florida still needed? Juliancolton 14:19, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

NWS reports

• Miami, FL report
• Melbourne, FL report
• Tampa Bay, FL report
• Peachtree City, GA report
• Charleston, SC report
• Greenville-Spartanburg, SC report
• Morehead City, NC report (on tornadoes)
• Raleigh, NC report
• Mount Holly, NJ report
• State College, PA report
• Upton, NY report
• Binghamton, NY report

These should be included in the article. Hurricanehink (talk) 17:21, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Gonna Give It A Go

I can see several issues right off that keep this below GA.For one,I don't think that video at the end is really necessary,and if it does have a place here,it is really placed in a haphazard manner on the page anyway.We've got a major need for citations,and the Impacts section needs expanded greatly.I'm gonna get to it.TheNobleSith (talk) 00:19, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

You are doing very well for a new member. :) You remebered to sign your username, and you can tell the primary issues with the article. And yes, that video is a bit obnoxious in the current manner. Juliancolton (Talk) 00:21, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Try making the video an external link at the end of the article. That's usually how it's handled within the project anyway. Thegreatdr (talk) 00:22, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Ah, ok. Thanks. I forgot about that. Juliancolton (Talk) 00:31, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay,I cited the storm history section,and am about to 'external link' the video.After that,I've got to get off the computer for awhile,but will work on the Impacts once I'm back in a few hours.Thanks for help guys :)TheNobleSith (talk) 00:53, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

OMG my edit was just reverted because some autobot called my links spam!?TheNobleSith (talk) 00:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

That makes mistakes sometimes. Juliancolton (Talk) 01:01, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Okay,I took out any links that it may have considered questionable--there were only two that I could see.That code it requires you to type in before adding external links may have been the problem---I had some trouble reading it.TheNobleSith (talk) 01:04, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

User:Hurricanehink left a comment on your talk page, so that might come in useful. Juliancolton (Talk) 01:09, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Happened again.*sighs*.I'm off for awhile.Thanks for your help.TheNobleSith (talk) 01:10, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok,the citations are on.Finally.I'll cleanup the other portions of this article shortly.TheNobleSith (talk) 03:32, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I filled out most of the references and cleaned up some of the wording within the article, per current GA criteria. The article still needs more information before GANing can occur. Thegreatdr (talk) 22:25, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Florida

Ok,I've cleaned this thing up a bit tonight,but I'm not personally going to touch the Florida Impact section until we decided whether or not to create a seperate article for it.I believe we should,since there's enough notable info about that topic to put into a full sized article.TheNobleSith (talk) 04:34, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Ok,added a Preparations section.Good thing the Palm Beach Post archived it's articles from the time period--very helpful.TheNobleSith (talk) 18:13, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Creating Effects Articles

Ok,I'm going to go ahead and create effects articles for Florida and Haiti.I will model them after those articles concerning Hurricane Wilma.TheNobleSith (talk) 20:38, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Hold your horses! ;-) I strongly suggest you get some more experience before starting new article. I've been here for months, and I still find it extremly difficult to create articles. Also, when you write, could you please put spaces after your commas and periods? Thanks. Juliancolton (Talk) 21:02, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, I'll delete the article if you want, I haven't put much into it anyway. As far as the spaces, sure. TheNobleSith (talk) 21:12, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Good, the spaces look better. Also, what I (and other people, as well) do when they write an article is keep in it userspace until it is ready for publishing. So, while I suggest you start out small, if you were to create an article, you would work on it at User:TheNobleSith/Effects of Hurricane Jeanne in Florida.

Also, are you going to come onto the IRC as suggested in your talk page? It would help a lot. Juliancolton (Talk) 21:15, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Yea, I agree that you should start with learning the basics of article writing. Would you be opposed if the article was merged? ♬♩ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:21, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

For the IRC thing, when are you guys on? I'll come on, but I don't know when to come on. As far as the article, whatever you guys want me to do with it. I'm new at this,just trying to help.:)TheNobleSith (talk) 22:46, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Anytime, mostly in the late afternoon. I'm on there now. Juliancolton (Talk) 22:49, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

I've actually got to go for right now, but will be on later tonight. I will look for you then, thanks for your help.TheNobleSith (talk) 22:55, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Merge Effects of Hurricane Jeanne in Puerto Rico?

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The result of this discussion was merge. _ZZ^Z'S 22:02, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

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That article is a start class, and this article is struggling and has one paragraph of info for Puerto Rico. Therefore it shouldn’t be too unreasonable to merge. I considered proposing the Mid-Atlantic subarticle, but that has more content so we can settle that later. 12.74.53.67 (talk) 21:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

• Support, but hold off on merging the mid-Atlantic subarticle until the Haiti section is expanded. Jeanne's article us only 3,800 words long. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:23, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Support I agree with Hurricanehink. A country that was significantly affected by the tropical cyclone and with 3000+ deaths should be more than two short paragraphs. The mid-Atlantic should wait. _ZZ^Z'S 23:33, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

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FARC for Meteorological history of Hurricane Jeanne, possible merger?

The met history article is up for featured article review. I don't want to formally propose the merger quite yet, but I believe the met history could and should be merged, since there is a fair bit of overlap between this article and the met history article, and there is room for expansion here. The Jeanne article is still only about 4,500 words, far too short to have a content fork for the met history. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 04:03, 9 June 2025 (UTC)

Support surprised by the size of the article, Jeanne was one of four significant hurricanes to affect Florida and killed many people in Haiti. StormHunterBryante5467⛈️ 03:06, 9 August 2025 (UTC)

Merge Meteorological history of Hurricane Jeanne?

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After letting this run a week since the user input and no further responses have come, there appears to be consensus to merge the article. --MarioProtIV (^talk/_contribs) 01:08, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

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Now that the FARC is finished, I believe that the met history sub-article should be merged. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:01, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

I support this proposal. I also suggest merging the articles Effects of Hurricane Jeanne in the Mid-Atlantic region and Effects of Hurricane Jeanne in the Treasure Coast into Hurricane Jeanne. Columbia719 (talk) 17:21, 6 September 2025 (UTC)

I proposed a merge for the Treasure Coast article. Whine0 (talk) 19:00, 9 September 2025 (UTC)

The Treasure Coast article should be merged. Aszx5000 (talk) 19:36, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

Effects of Hurricane Jeanne in the Mid-Atlantic region looks a bit large for merging to the primary? But I agree that the Treasure Coast one is egregious. Actually I would suggest merging both Effects articles into one Effects of Hurricane Jeanne article - keeps the primary slim and is a consistent method for handling these. --Elmidae (talk · contribs) 09:16, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

That makes good sense to me. Aszx5000 (talk) 11:14, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

I disagree, just having an effects article would be a fork of the main article. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 15:12, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

Ditto, and would make accessing relevant information slower, inefficient, and harder to navigate. Columbia719 (talk) 22:43, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

Commenting, Effects of Hurricane Jeanne in the Mid-Atlantic region and Meteorological history of Hurricane Jeanne are about the same size. The merge would likely approach or slightly exceed the 6 000 word mark. Columbia719 (talk) 16:20, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

I’m opposing any further mergers to this article until Hispaniola and Bahamas sections get expanded, as they are way too small at the moment. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 16:28, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

That's okay, as long as there's room for the articles in the future. Columbia719 (talk) 16:35, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

Unless I’m mistaken, there is consensus to merge the Treasure Coast article only at this point. There is a draft for a possible subarticle for both Jeanne and Frances’s effects in Florida, which may or may not be needed. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 03:39, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

My opinions on that draft have not changed. I will leave it up when there's time to work on it, but my expectations is that the content would be reintroduced back into their respective articles. As for the Treasure Coast article, I will go ahead and merge that since there appears to be consensus for the merge. Columbia719 (talk) 03:43, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

+1 Aszx5000 (talk) 09:19, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

Oppose. Merging MH into the main will overwhelmed it. --A1Cafel (talk) 07:24, 11 October 2025 (UTC)

How so? Columbia719 (talk) 15:18, 11 October 2025 (UTC)

Adding on, the Met history article is 1,800 words, which includes some met history, while the main Jeanne article MH is 365 words. Further, during the FARC for Jeanne's met history, I discovered that there aren't any journal articles or any scientific literature on Jeanne's met history to even justify having a specific article on it. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:39, 11 October 2025 (UTC)

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Links

• NPS Incident Reports - Virgin Islands National Park

♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:05, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

Lead/intro

To spare the ongoing edit war, let’s discuss what should be in the lead. @Swatjester:, personally I think the IP had the right idea by starting with the most important info first, that Jeanne was the deadliest Atlantic hurricane since Mitch. That’s hugely significant and it establishes that Jeanne was deadly. There have been tons of major hurricanes affecting the Caribbean and the US, but few were as deadly. Does anyone have any thoughts? I want to work on Jeanne since it’s an important storm and the article is in need of some love. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 02:43, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

I don't personally care much either way -- I just want the IP to stop edit warring and start using the talk page. But consider that Hurricane Maria begins first with the location affected and identification of the strength of the storm, before moving into the superlatives about it. And per WP:LEDE The first sentence should introduce the topic, and tell the nonspecialist reader what or who the subject is, and often when or where. It should be in plain English. The current version of "Hurricane Jeanne was a Category 3 major hurricane that affected the Lesser Antilles, Puerto Rico, The US Virgin Islands, Hispaniola, The Bahamas, and the US East Coast." establishes the what/who (Jeanne, a Category 3 Hurricane), and where (the locations effected). The IP's version does neither -- it does not identify the storm as a hurricane (merely generically a tropical cyclone), and it immediately delves into the "why" before addressing anything else. Do not overload the first sentence by describing everything notable about the subject. Instead, spread the relevant information out over the entire lead. The fact that Jeanne was deadly is not the most important information necessary in the first sentence -- it is a supporting detail that can follow later in the lede.⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 03:42, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

My only problem with lumping “Category 3” into the first sentence is that Jeanne caused most of its deaths from flooding, not from its intensity, and almost all of the deaths were in Haiti. That’s why I think it’s fine saying that it was the deadliest Atlantic tropical cyclone, since that covers the important parts: why it was notable, where it was, and what it was. It doesn’t even need to cover that it was a hurricane, that’s implied by the title “Hurricane Jeanne”. It’s probably more helpful calling it a “tropical cyclone”. I’m not saying the IP’s version was best, but I’m going to be working on this article soon, and I liked it a lot more with an interesting first sentence, versus something that could apply to a lot of storms. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 03:52, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

One thought is that if you're planning on doing a fairly substantial rework of the article body soon, since the lede should follow the body, the lede will need to be harmonized with the body again once you're finished. So it might be worth deferring changes to the lede until then and coming up with something new that addresses all the who/what/where/when/why points directly.⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 04:07, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

@Swatjester: absolutely, the lead will be rewritten along with the rest of the article. The topic came up, this is just part of the bold, revert, discuss cyclone, and it's an interesting discussion point, how to first introduce the topic. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:14, 17 August 2025 (UTC)

To do

@Columbia719 and WeatheredAviation: - let's discuss here what the Jeanne article needs. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:03, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

• Florida aftermath

Ok WeatheredAviation (talk) 16:04, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

Indeed. However, can we start by merging the subarticles first? That would make clean-up easier. Columbia719 (talk) 16:06, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

Why are you so focused on merging the sub articles? WeatheredAviation (talk) 16:07, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

The majority of sub articles should be merged into the main article, as the main article will cover more information about its subject and would make reading easier. Notable information would also be less likely to be missing or overlooked. Columbia719 (talk) 16:18, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

The whole point of making sub articles is so information won’t be overlooked in a larger article. WeatheredAviation (talk) 16:20, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

Not really. Sub articles are created when a main article is too large, see Wikipedia:Article size#Splitting an article and Wikipedia:Splitting. Most sub articles would not drastically increase the size of an article. Columbia719 (talk) 16:25, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

(edit conflict) There are three sub-articles, and there is already a discussion about merging the met history. The Effects of Hurricane Jeanne in the Treasure Coast I suggest should become a draft for a combined Effects of hurricanes Frances and Jeanne in Florida, in my opinion. As for Effects of Hurricane Jeanne in the Mid-Atlantic region, wait until the rest of the article is done, including Haiti and Florida. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:08, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

That is a good plan. Thank you. WeatheredAviation (talk) 16:10, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

I do have a question though. How would we do the infoboxes for the draft? Would we just combine two? Also, by making a draft it would take several months to be approved right? WeatheredAviation (talk) 16:12, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

You could base the infobox like it is in Cyclones Judy and Kevin. Also, the draft might not take months to be approved. If it's in good shape, ping me and I'll review it. But the draft should have substantially more amount of information than what's in both articles. If there isn't any more information, then the draft should be merged. Sometimes it's useful to focus on a particular area. As long as the information gets added to Wikipedia, that's my priority. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:24, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

Wouldn't it be easier to just expand their relevant sections? I doubt the information would be large enough to overwhelm the main article. Columbia719 (talk) 16:26, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

@Columbia719:, check out the to do list. A lot more article is needed for this article, not just Florida, so I agree that for now, it wouldn't hurt having a draft article to see what other info is out there. In the meantime there is still a lot this article needs outside of Florida (especially Haiti and the Bahamas). The Florida section is already on the long side, so it couldn't hurt. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:30, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

Alright. The only condition I would support a draft if it will not be published if the information is deemed not suitable for a separate article, and that its primary purpose is to collect information about the area to incorporate into their appropriate article, rather than find information to publish in a combined article. Columbia719 (talk) 16:36, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

Can we officially have the name for the draft as Draft:Effects of Hurricanes Frances and Jeanne in the Treasure Coast? WeatheredAviation (talk) 16:45, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

Or is it for all of Florida WeatheredAviation (talk) 16:45, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

Seeing as the Treasure Coast is only three counties, I suggest doing it for the entire state. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:46, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

Ok I will name it Draft:Effects of Hurricanes Frances and Jeanne in Florida. Good? WeatheredAviation (talk) 16:47, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

"Hurricanes" doesn't need to be capitalized since it's referring to both storm names. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:49, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

Ok WeatheredAviation (talk) 16:49, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

Done. Columbia719 (talk) 17:18, 7 September 2025 (UTC)

Merge Effects of Hurricane Jeanne in the Mid-Atlantic region?

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Merged article. Only opposition from blocked sockpuppet. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:08, 28 December 2025 (UTC)

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Now that the article is largely fleshed out, and it's still under 7,000 words, I believe that it can handle the additional content from the Mid-Atlantic sub-article. I was opposed to it previously while the article was so underdeveloped, as it would've been too lopsided toward the Mid-Atlantic content. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:07, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

Oppose: Haiti’s section is still two paragraphs, so it still needs expansion, and once expanded, the article will likely push 7500 words, making absorbing additional content difficult. ~2025-36320-81 (talk) 13:53, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

Haiti barely even had a government when the storm struck, so there’s no guarantee there’ll be much more info for Haiti out there. Plus, some of the content from the Mid Atlantic is already in this article, so there’s overlap. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 15:33, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

Given the work Hurricanehink has done on this article, Haiti is likely at its maximum size. If you really believe Haiti can be expanded, do it yourself. FourNoddlers (talk) 16:22, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

There’s this article about environmental impacts from Hurricane Jeanne. There’s also a PBS article with some impacts from Haiti I could add. ~2025-36320-81 (talk) 16:29, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

This source doesn't provide anything that's not already in the article. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 20:11, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

@Hurricanehink, can you check the sources they added in Effects of Hurricane Jeanne in the Mid-Atlantic region? FourNoddlers (talk) 20:14, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

Some of it looks redundant. I'm sure there were a lot of canceled/delayed flights, not just at Newark, and a lot of areas affected by the floods, but it doesn't mean we need to be so specific about where the floods occurred, like the mention of the floods on the University of Delaware campus. A lot of the content that's in the sub-article is also in the main Jeanne article, like flood damage and tornado damage. So I feel like a lot of the content in the sub-article can be condensed and summarized. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:35, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

Note, I struck the opposition from the IP, who was blocked for sockpuppetry. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:24, 22 December 2025 (UTC)

Might as well merge the article. There haven't been any new votes for nearly a month. FourNoddlers (talk) 19:27, 22 December 2025 (UTC)

Support: the size of the article post-merge complies with the principles outlined in WP:SIZERULE. Effects of Hurricane Jeanne in the Mid-Atlantic region cannot be significantly expanded enough to unbalance the main article. FourNoddlers (talk) 16:20, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

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GA review

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Nominator: Hurricanehink (talk · contribs) 23:59, 28 December 2025 (UTC)

Reviewer: 12george1 (talk · contribs) 06:50, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

Hello, I will be reviewing this article. At first, I was not sure of my eligibility to review Jeanne, but my last edits occurred in 2014 (other than when I used the IABotManagementConsole while writing this review), while there have been significant modifications (by other users) to the contents of one of my sandboxes that was copied and pasted here in 2020.--12george1 (talk) 06:50, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

• The opening sentence talks about Jeanne being one of the deadliest Atlantic hurricanes ever and the fourth hurricane to impact Florida in 2004, but I'm not seeing where either of these things are mention again and cited. Correct me if I'm wrong

• My mistake, I never got around to actually citing that, I added citations. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:08, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• "Jeanne struck The Bahamas and eastern Florida on September 25" - Per UTC, the landfall in The Bahamas occurred on September 25, but the Florida landfall was early on September 26

• Fixed. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:08, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• "precipitation on the island of Guadeloupe, damaging hundreds of buildings on the island of Guadeloupe from floods" - I wasn't sure why you did this at first, but then I realized that Basse-Terre does not have an article. Still, I've seen a lot of wikilinks for that place redirect to Guadeloupe#Geography. So maybe you could do that?

• Oh this was just me being dumb with the writing. Fixed having Guadeloupe twice. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:08, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• Why are there are few places in the third paragraph of the lead where it says "Hurricane Jeanne" instead of just "Jeanne"?

• Removed both, they're unnecessary. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:08, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• "Total damage from Hurricane Jeanne in the continental United States was estimated at $7.5 billion,[nb 2] " - There's a comma instead of a period at the end

• Fixed, ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:08, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• Parts of the MH don't mention a date very often, including six consecutive sentences in the last paragraph. There are a few other places where adding dates could be helpful, especially the opening sentences of the third and fourth paragraphs.

• Added a few. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:08, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• "Originally, the NHC anticipated that Jeanne would turn northwestward and move ashore northeastern Florida." - Is it really right to say "originally" here because we're talking about the 45th advisory/discussion?

• I changed it to "As late as September 24". I would have to cite additional discussions to show the continued NHC forecast of a recurve, but lemme know if this wording works. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:08, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• "wind shear produced by Hurricane Ivan in the Caribbean." - It says "Caribbean" here with no wikilink, but in the second paragraph I see Caribbean Sea with a wikilink

• Switched around to link and spell out the first usage. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:08, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• "After crossing into Virginia, Jeanne transitioned into an extratropical cyclone by September 29 near Washington, D.C. " - I guess this isn't technically wrong given the use of the word "by", but the infobox says that the ET occurred on September 28. TCR says 00:00 UTC on September 29

• I removed the extratropical transition date from the infobox as it's the same day as the dissipation, I didn't even notice this error. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:08, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• "northeastern Caribbean, including the Anguilla," - Delete "the"

• Done. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:08, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• "during the evuacuation were the Florida Turnpike" - Evacuation is misspelled

• Fxied. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:08, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• "Floodwaters inundated the island's international airport, temporarily closing it." - Considering that the previous paragraph ends with "Nationwide, about 800 homes were damaged or destroyed.", it would be better to name this island

• Agreed, I spelled out the airport here. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:08, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• "Government buildings across the Abaco islands sustained about" - Shouldn't that be "Abaco Islands" (with a capital I)?

• Thanks, good catch. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:08, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• "sustained winds of 142 km/h (89 mph)" - Put mph first

• Fixed. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:08, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• "Throughout the mainland United States, Hurricane Jeanne left $7.66 billion in damage" - The lead says $7.5 billion and that's from the updated version of the costliest US TCs from 2018, while this $7.66 billion figure is from the 2011 version

• Oh weird that it went down, I fixed it to use the updated version. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:08, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• I think you should mentioned Fujita scale somewhere and wikilink it

• Done. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:16, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• "20 minute period" - "20-minute"?

• Changed. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:16, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• " above normal, which flooded a few marinas.[83] Above normal" - Shouldn't this be "above-normal"?
• "high surf in North Carolina killed a swimmers in Corolla in Currituck County and Oak Island in Brunswick County." - I'm guessing it's supposed to say two swimmers. Btw the ref at the end of that sentence appears to mistakenly link to the same report twice, rather than one for Currituck County and another for Brunswick County

• Ack thanks for catching that! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:16, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• "Nantucket, Massachusetts recorded" - Comma after Massachusetts

• Added. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:16, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• "Over a 12 day period after the disaster" - 12-day?

• Added. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:16, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• "which helped improved Haiti's capacity" ---> " which helped improve Haiti's capacity"

• Thanksed. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:16, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• "over a 19 day period." - 19-day?

• Added. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:16, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• "producing 30,000 L (7,900 US gal) of clean water each day." - Why is litres first?

• Flipped. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:16, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• "costs such debris removal." ---> "costs such as debris removal."

• Added. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:16, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• "the state lead to a lack of polling data," ---> "the state led to a lack of polling data,"

• Fixed. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:16, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• "New Castle County, Delaware was also designated" - Comma after Delaware
  • Added. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:16, 10 January 2026 (UTC)
• "On October 29, Internal Revenue Service" ---> "On October 29, the Internal Revenue Service"

• Fixed. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:16, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• Add at least the first names for the NHC TWD refs. E.g. Wallace --> Patricia Wallace

• Fixed. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:16, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

• "Hurricanes Change Florida Politics, ABC News, September 30, 2004. Retrieved April 18, 2025" - Put this ref in the {{cite news}} template

• Fixed. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:16, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

I think that's it. Overall, not a bad article, as most of the issues I've identified are minor in nature, so hopefully they aren't too difficult to solve or address. Thanks for working on this hurricane that I remember well, including seeing a Palm Beach Post frontpage headline with the words "NOT AGAIN!" in large print--12george1 (talk) 06:50, 9 January 2026 (UTC)

@12george1:, I think I got everything? Thanks so much for the review! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:16, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

@Hurricanehink:, I am going to pass this now. Good job!--12george1 (talk) 05:54, 11 January 2026 (UTC)