Talk:Euphonium

Conical v cylindrical bore

This page says that "The difference is that the bore size of the baritone horn is typically smaller than that of the euphonium, and the baritone has a primarily cylindrical bore, whereas the euphonium has a predominantly conical bore." In contrast, both the baritone and trombone pages claim that the baritone has a conical bore. Other sites such as https://musicalinstrumentpro.com/euphonium-vs-baritone say it has a cylindrical bore. Can this inconsistency be fixed? 96.231.239.208 (talk) 22:21, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Fixed, as it's also supported by the citation. Good catch! Matuko (talk) 18:04, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

The older text here is more accurate than the new edit; while there are variations on the euphonium/baritone that blur the line, generally, the baritone has a more cylindrical bore - although not fully cylindrical like a trombone, while the euphonium has a more cylindrical bore. The difference can be likened a bit to a cornet (baritone) vs flugelhorn (euphonium), in that while both are cylindrical, one is significantly more cylindrical than the other. See here (https://www.dwerden.com/eu-articles-bareuph.cfm) for a good start, in particular the paragraph just above the table. Euphguy1 (talk) 06:10, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

I think you meant conical, not cylindrical, in the above paragraph, as if things weren't confusing enough. I think we can rely on Bevan's thorough treatment in The Tuba Family here; the valved bugle family is huge, covers several countries of origin (France, Germany, Italy, Britain), and the 9-foot B♭ category was particularly fecund. I've tried to cut a path here, but I think the Name section is already too long and has morphed into a potted history that ought to be re-summarised and/or merged with the History section. — Jon (talk) 00:59, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

GA review

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Nominator: Jonathanischoice (talk · contribs) 22:44, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

Reviewer: Z1720 (talk · contribs) 21:26, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I am sorry to do this but I am going to quick-fail this nomination because there are uncited statements in the article, including entire paragraphs. Please ensure that there is a citation at the end of every paragraph, minimum, that verifies the information the proceeds it. I also suggest adding more section headings to the article for readability, especially for our mobile users: I suggest 2-4 paragraphs per heading. Z1720 (talk) 21:26, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

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GA review

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Nominator: Jonathanischoice (talk · contribs) 09:36, 14 October 2025 (UTC)

Reviewer: Bgsu98 (talk · contribs) 21:06, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

Hello... I will conduct this review as part of my GA pledge. I played the French horn; very similar to the euphonium! Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:06, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

Hey, @Bgsu98! I just wanted to bring attention to a discussion on the sister baritone horn page: Talk:Baritone horn#Bell front baritones/euphoniums Why? I Ask (talk) 21:59, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

User:Jonathanischoice: I just wanted to apologize for the delay. I have finished reading through this article and it is extremely well-written, so there will be very few comments. I will return to this later this afternoon. Bgsu98 (Talk) 17:24, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

Thank you! I will attend to these soon. — Jon (talk) 21:40, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

Comments (11/13/25)

I have made some minor edits, mostly dealing with commas.

The invention of valves

• It was probably a larger bore version of the Tenorhorn, later often called the Baryton. – Probably? This doesn't read as encyclopedic.

  Fixed

• In Italy around this time, the Milan maker Giuseppe Pelitti developed his bombardino... – Maker of what?

  Fixed

The earliest modern euphoniums

• In Austria-Hungary, the instrument maker Václav František Červený built his Baroxyton in 1852, a four valve baritone instrument. – I strongly recommend rewriting as In Austria-Hungary, the instrument maker Václav František Červený built his Baroxyton, a four valve baritone instrument, in 1852.

  Addressed

Compensating valves

• Usually older instruments, these similarly route the tubing of the third valve back through the first two, to bring the notes C3 and B2 in tune. – I've read this a few times and I don't think it's actually a sentence. It needs to be rewritten.

  I have attempted to clarify/simplify the explanation

Orchestral repertoire

• Euphonium is also called for in Leoš Janáček's Sinfonietta (1926)... – Recommend beginning the sentence with "The euphonium..."

  Fixed

User:Jonathanischoice: I will do the image and source reviews this afternoon. Let me know when you have a chance to examine the above comments, and let me know if you have any questions. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:50, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

Cheers, Jon (talk) 23:24, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

Image review (11/13/25)

Images have appropriate licenses and captions. Recommend adding appropriate alt-text per MOS:ALTTEXT. Bgsu98 (Talk) 21:36, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

I have gone through and edited/added alt tags to all the images. Cheers! Jon (talk) 23:25, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

Source review (11/13/25)

Spot check of sources checks out. Bgsu98 (Talk) 05:18, 14 November 2025 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Dclemens1971 (talk) 22:10, 28 December 2025 (UTC)

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Compensating 4-valve euphonium by Besson

• ... that one of the few jazz proponents of the euphonium (pictured) was Rich Matteson (1929–1993)?

• Source: Dickman, Marcus (2007). "The Euphonium in Jazz". In Bone, Lloyd E.; Paull, Eric; Morris, R. Winston (eds.). Guide to the Euphonium Repertoire: The Euphonium Source Book. Bloomington: Indiana University Press. p. 515. ISBN 0-253-34811-0. Wikidata Q135963380.

• ALT1 ... that one of the few jazz proponents of the euphonium was 20th century musician Rich Matteson?

• Source: Dickman, Marcus (2007). "The Euphonium in Jazz". In Bone, Lloyd E.; Paull, Eric; Morris, R. Winston (eds.). Guide to the Euphonium Repertoire: The Euphonium Source Book. Bloomington: Indiana University Press. p. 515. ISBN 0-253-34811-0. Wikidata Q135963380.

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  • Comment: I know we don't want parens, but it seemed appropriate to include birth and death here to provide context

Improved to Good Article status by Jonathanischoice (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Jon (talk) 11:06, 17 November 2025 (UTC).

• Article has achieved Good Article status. No issues of copyvio or plagiarism. All sources appear reliable. QPQ is not needed. The hook is interesting and sourced. I'm not sure why the dates of birth and death are needed here? Perhaps you could call him a "20th century jazz musician"? Thriley (talk) 01:45, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

  Okay, added ALT1 — Jon (talk) 21:21, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

ALT1 looks good. All set. Thriley (talk) 20:44, 19 November 2025 (UTC)