Talk:Bursa

Çekirge

I live below the chekerge "cricket as in the insect" district, and I think the hot bathes could use a little more attention since going to hamam has been an attraction of bursa for centuries. I'll get you started: the first notable bath was built by the roman emperor justinian 1 and was laiter rebuilt/restored/converted be sulyman or some other ottoman emperor and still functions today, if your planning on visiting, it's not the nicest bath in bursa, nicer ones can be found at higher end hotels and stuff some of which are still quite old with roman and early ottoman roots. Stefan McKinley 11:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

August 2005

Bursa's counties : Osmangazi Nilüfer Yıldırım Orhangazi Karacabey Kemalpaşa Görükle — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.96.0.189 (talk) 21:37, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Captions

The pictures need captions.

Also, perhaps the mosque should get its own article? Punkmorten 14:11, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

The mosque should definitely have its own article; it's an important architectural benchmark or milestone or whatever you'd call it. I just didn't have time to write it.

I just looked up how to make captions, so I'll go do that. (I had described the pictures in the text, but they kept getting moved or deleted or whatever so the references to "above left" or "below right" kept being wrong. Duh, that explains why I should use captions!)

--Vcrs 07:44, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Made captions; pictures kept showing up oddly so I put them in a table, but now they break the whole page. If anyone knows how to make the pictures show up on either side of the text, instead of always on the right, that would help (it's confusing when picture is alongside next section instead of the one it relates to, that's why I put them in a table).

--Vcrs 08:15, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Copyvio

I removed "The Trade Center of Bursa" section because it was a copyvio from . If someone wants to re-write it in their own words that would be great, but the page clearly says "© 2001 Daniel C. Waugh" at the bottom. —Khoikhoi 20:43, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Karagöz and Hacivat

The article says "Karagöz and Hacivat shadow play characters were historic personalities who lived and who are buried in Bursa." There are certainly legends to that effect, but I am surprised at the blind statement of that as fact, without even a citation. - Jmabel | Talk 18:04, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

¿Europe?

Why is this city shown in the map of Europe? It´s in Anatolia, Asia. Xareu bs (talk) 11:04, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Possible nonsense?

I think the page needs a rollback to the version of 18 November 2007; the edits since then appear to either be not notable people or in need of formatting cleanup. Would someone please check those edits. 141.199.102.30 (talk) 20:57, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Montage

Again, there is a problem with the montage picture on that one too, like the one in İzmir. Don't forget to source your montage picture carefully like: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ankara_kolajı.jpg Cheers! --88.254.241.230 (talk) 20:27, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Location of province

I think that the following sentence doesn't belong to this article: It is bordered by the Sea of Marmara and Yalova to the north; Kocaeli and Sakarya to the northeast; Bilecik to the east; and Kütahya and Balıkesir to the south. This sentence must be in Bursa Province article and not in Bursa city article. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 08:50, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Without changing the sentence, I changed the name Bursa → capital city of Bursa Province. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 08:33, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Correction

This article says: Prusias renamed the city after himself, as Prusa. / but Prusias means: "The man from Prusa(= Bursa)", so the name of this city was already Prusa! (before the reign of Prusias) Böri (talk) 13:25, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

There are reliable sources, including the Classical Gazetteer, claiming that before Prusias rebuilt the city it was named Cius. I don't doubt your etymology of the King's name, but how do we know that he was named after this city? Prusias' name might have been given without regard to meaning (King Philip of Macedon probably wasn't thus named for his fondness of horses), or it might refer to another city of the same name. Huon (talk) 14:37, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

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The meaning of "Hüdavandigar" the old name of the city

Hüdavandigar is a Persian word which in general means "God" and "king" or in general "somebody who owns something". The following is the website for that specific word in Dehkhoda dictionary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehkhoda_Dictionary

and to get to know about the well-known Dehkhoda Persian dictionary read about it in Wikipedia:

http://www.loghatnaameh.org/dehkhodaworddetail-0303e2c2afaf423e88d243be78a77112-fa.html

Anooshahpour (talk) 01:49, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Timeline of Bursa

What is missing from the recently created city timeline article? Please add relevant content. Contributions welcome. Thank you. -- M2545 (talk) 13:29, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

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Bursa in ottoman

Should be بروسه Brussa. Ottoman orthography often reflects etymology more accurately than pronunciation. Demermerci (talk) 12:21, 26 January 2019 (UTC)

بورسه is the spelling used in Redhouse's 19th century dictionary and the 1927 edition of Ataturk's Nutuk (page 626). Is there a citable source giving the بروسه spelling? Vox Sciurorum (talk) 18:49, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

I have to revise that statement. On page 340 of Nutuk is the بروسه spelling. Do we list both? Vox Sciurorum (talk) 20:54, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

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About the "Jewish Community" section

I think it will be more fitting if we put the section on "History" rather than "Culture and tourism", like the Kabul article, since it contains more historical content.

But I don't think I can made such big edit without mentioning it on the talk page.

- MahmoudAbbasAlDilfti (talk) 02:20, 4 September 2025 (UTC)

A Merge Proposal

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@DerMaxdorfer, Hasancelikbilek35, Trappist the monk, Tiny Particle, Carlossuarez46, Cote d'Azur, Gre regiment, DenghiùComm, Vikarna, and Puduḫepa: Do you guys agree if we merge the article "Prusa (Bithynia)" with the "Bursa" article? Considering that the History section of Bursa already covered a part of the city's history from the reign of King Prusias I to the Ottoman Conquest, which is the period when the city was considered to be named/called "Prusa" or "Prusias". Also, I don't think that the subject needed its own article, unlike Cius.

Another point, the article was expanded from a former name redirect. So, maybe you can consider changing it to the redirect of Bursa.

What do you think?

- MahmoudAbbasAlDilfti (talk) 05:23, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

I don't think this is a question that can be answered with a simple yes or no. In principle, there is enough to say about ancient Prusa to fill a separate article, and the current content could easily serve as a start in that direction. On the other hand, it is true that the article is currently so short that it could well be integrated into the article on the modern city. Both options are feasible. DerMaxdorfer (talk) 17:26, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

Very good point, let's see what the others have to say.

- MahmoudAbbasAlDilfti (talk) 14:49, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: typically existing stand-alone articles about cities and towns from classical antiquity that differ in name from their modern counterparts are kept. Here the contents are currently brief and could well be fully merged into the modern city. However, because it could also get lost in that article, and may have considerable potential for expansion, perhaps it's best to keep a separate article focusing on its pre-Ottoman history, even if more of its current contents are included in "Bursa". P Aculeius (talk) 14:32, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

  What does "get lost in that [Bursa] article" means? -MahmoudAbbasAlDilfti (talk) 23:29, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

  I understand P Aculeius as follows: With a separate article, it is easier to find the relevant information if one wants to know something specifically on Prusa. DerMaxdorfer (talk) 00:19, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

  Maybe....

• Probably I will remove the merge tag from the Prusa (Bithynia) article.

  - MahmoudAbbasAlDilfti (talk) 00:27, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

@MahmoudAbbasAlDilfti: I have copied over the interesting stuff so technically there should be no loss of information if we merge. Bosley John Bosley (talk) 09:23, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

Sorry for the late response!

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@Bosley John Bosley: I have reopened the discussion. We can probably start moving verifiable information from the "Prusa" article as a direction to expand the History section of Bursa, since the Roman rule period there is pretty short, in my opinion.

- MahmoudAbbasAlDilfti (talk) 04:45, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

@Bosley John Bosley: Key informations that I integrated from the article Prusa (Bithynia) to Bursa is about:

...the hot springs in Prusa that's dubbed as the "royal water".

...the construction of baths in Roman-ruled Bursa under the permit of Emperor Trajan, which falls into the line about "well governance under Roman Emperor" because this event is cited as a reference to said line.

- MahmoudAbbasAlDilfti (talk) 03:57, 29 December 2025 (UTC)

@DerMaxdorfer, P Aculeius, and Bosley John Bosley: According to this source (access via The Wikipedia Library), Bursa is enstablished by King Prusias I de novo, which means he built it from the ground. The source also indirectly states that Prusias ad Olympum (present-day Bursa) is different to Prusias ad Mare (what was once Cius and present-day Gemlik).

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This led me to conclude that it might be quite an inaccuracy to put Cius as a part of the history of Bursa. It also made me reconsider that the article Prusa (Bithynia) is probably a much better representative for the Prusias ad Olympum stuff, since the mentioned ancient city is often mistaken (by me, mostly, and also the guy who added Cius in the Bursa history section) as Prusias ad Mare, aka Cius.

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Sorry for the long update, what do you guys think?

- MahmoudAbbasAlDilfti (talk) 04:48, 2 February 2026 (UTC)

That Prusa ad Olympum (Prusa, not Prusias!) and Cius/Kios (temporarily renamed Prusias ad Mare, not Prusa) were two different cities is undisputable. It might be seen as an additional reason not to merge the articles on ancient Prusa ad Olympum and Bursa. For me personally, it doesn't really change the situation that both solutions are possible. That Cius/Prusias ad Mare could be part of the history of Bursa, however, is completely wrong in my eyes.

An in-depth account on the history of Prusa ad Olympum and the available ancient sources can be found in the second volume of Corsten's monograph (see Prusa (Bithynia)#Further reading), pp. 9-73. On Cius/Prusias ad Mare, Corsten has written a separate monograph: Die Inschriften von Kios. Bonn: Habelt, 1985, ISBN 3-7749-2194-6, see especially the long introduction on the history of the city on pp. 1-72. DerMaxdorfer (talk) 14:15, 2 February 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for the response and explanation. MahmoudAbbasAlDilfti (talk) 00:11, 3 February 2026 (UTC)

References

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Claims needing citation

If you are more familiar about Bursa, you can probably help find reliable reference for the attributed claim, assign it, and put it back to the respective place (usually based off of timeline) in the article. Or, you can also put forward the reliable reference that contradicts the claim to fully remove it.

• Bursa remained as the most important administrative and commercial centre in the empire until Sultan Mehmed II conquered Constantinople in 1453.
• In the last days of the Greco-Turkish War in 1922, the Greek Army attempted to burn the center of Bursa however they were stopped by the allied commanders and were only able to burn the train station together with Turkish civilians in it.
• With the construction of new industrial zones in the period between 1980 and 2000, many people from the eastern provinces of Turkey came and settled in Bursa.
• The Cretan artilleryman Vasilios Moustakis describes the event with the following words: "The Infantry had come through and set fire to the station. We saw an English general on horseback, who ordered the fire to be put out because if Bursa were burned, it would be harming Greece".

This section is created to clean up the article while still keeping a probable information.

- MahmoudAbbasAlDilfti (talk) 07:37, 3 February 2026 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the literature that I know only covers the Greek, Roman and Byzantine periods of Bursa in detail, not the later centuries. I wasn't yet able to verify this sentence. DerMaxdorfer (talk) 16:28, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

What is the book(s) that covers the Greek period of Bursa? Does it cover the Bithynian rule too?

- MahmoudAbbasAlDilfti (talk) 01:13, 19 February 2026 (UTC)

To be honest, with "Greek" I rather meant "Bithynian": Bursa was founded under Bithynian rule and, as far as I know, stayed part of the Bithynian kingdom until the Romans took over. So there was not really a "Greek" period in Bursa politically, although naturally Greek was the main language in the city all the time from its foundation until the Osman conquest and Greek culture dominated there over these periods in one form or another.

But to come back to the literature, the most detailed work that I know on Bursa in antiquity is the monograph by Corsten mentioned above. It focuses on the written sources of the time (less on the archaeological remains) spanning from the foundation of the city until Late Antiquity. I don't know of any other academic in-depth studies on the topic, but I also have to admit that I'm not really an expert and especially sadly can't read Turkish. So there might be material that I've missed. DerMaxdorfer (talk) 12:31, 21 February 2026 (UTC)

A certain mismatch between sentence and its citation

Sentence: In the last days of the Greco-Turkish War in 1922, the Greek Army attempted to burn the center of Bursa however they were stopped by the allied commanders and were only able to burn the train station together with Turkish civilians in it.

Citation: Pages 265-267 of the book Anadolu'da Yunan Zulüm ve Vahşeti by Mustafa Zahit Öner.

Here's the download page of Öner's book in Anna's Archive if you want to verify yourself. Credits to Kowal2701 from Resource Exchange.

(Disclosure: I verified the citation by translating the text from Turkish with Google Translate. Inaccurate conclusions might be pulled from translation error.)

• Öner mentioned the fire at the train station in a line in page 266. He doesn't mention any details about Turkish civilians in that brief mention. He also never claimed that the train station is the only building that "could be burned by the Greeks". The line: "Saatlerce devam eden mütemâdî silâh seslerinden sonra kısmen teskîn ve itfå edilen Umurbey yangınını, istasyon ve balıkpazarı yangınları tâkîb etmiş[ti]."
• Öner doesn't mention anything about Allied commander intervention in Bursa, atleast in the pages 265-267, the cited pages. This part of the sentence might be backed with Moustakis' description after it.

Comment and suggestion by people who understands Turkish are more than welcome here!

- MahmoudAbbasAlDilfti (talk) 04:24, 13 March 2026 (UTC)