Talk:Bernabéu (stadium)

Santiago Bernabéu's capacity after the 2019-2024 renovation

Much has been said about the final capacity of the stadium after the renovation, and due to the initial proposal of 2014, there has been much confusion in various media outlets. However, the truth is that in February 2015, the Superior Court of Justice of Madrid annulled the approval of the specific modification of the General Urban Development Plan of Madrid that did authorize the expansion of the stadium's capacity, so the club was forced to redo the project in accordance with current legality.

In this way, on October 11, 2016, a new project was presented that eliminated the possibility of increasing the seating capacity:

https://as.com/futbol/2016/10/11/primera/1476174286_542644.html

The new stand with 3,000 spectators on the East side simply compensates for the loss of seats resulting from the new stadium layout, which has increased the space and comfort of some seats, thus maintaining the same total capacity.

This was confirmed by the president of Real Madrid himself, Florentino Pérez, at the last Ordinary General Assembly held on November 11, 2023, where he stated that "The capacity of the Bernabéu will be 80,000. That's what we have authorized."

https://www.planetarealmadrid.com/curiosidades/por-bernabeu-no-puede-tener-mas-capacidad-florentino-desvela_129838_102.html

Therefore, until the club publishes the final capacity in an official medium, I propose that the most correct thing is to state in the article a current capacity of 80,000 spectators.

--Zoser (talk) 16:13, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Construction cost

Where does the construction cost figure come from and when ? I've added a {{fact-citation needed for now, but the matter needs to be addressed, for instance, what about work during 1952, 1982, 1992, 1994, 2001, 2011, 2019–2024. and the construction cost for these renovation years specified in the infobox..? Cltjames (talk) 01:26, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

I've briefly updated the construction cost infobox section with a new 'Renovations:' section and some references I could find online. If someone has anymore references or information, please present it to the article, also if there is more details about the expansion years. Cltjames (talk) 15:08, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

Requested move 26 March 2026

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. After much-extended time for discussion, there is no consensus for any of the specific moves proposed in this discussion at this time. A separate discussion on the proposal to move this title to the undisambiguated Bernabéu may be initiated after a reasonable time. BD2412 T 00:50, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

Bernabéu (stadium) → Bernabéu StadiumBernabéu Stadium – More WP:PRECISE name than the current one, in agreement to current conventions (i.e. Maracanã Stadium, Pacaembu Stadium). Maybe Estadio Bernabéu would also suffice (matching Estádio do Morumbi, Estádio do Canindé). BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 20:00, 26 March 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath^talk 07:36, 3 April 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath^talk 12:44, 10 April 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose – Per the last paragraph of the lead, supported by the two sources provided: "The stadium, formerly known as the Santiago Bernabéu Stadium, has now been officially renamed to simply "Bernabéu"." Therefore, it would be incorrect to include "Stadium" or "Estádio" as part of the name. Assadzadeh (talk) 20:21, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

  @Assadzadeh: Maracanã is a nickname without the stadium too, yet the page is named Maracanã Stadium. Same goes for Pacembu. Read WP:OFFICIALNAME, this move about being WP:PRECISE and about establishing a proper WP:COMMONNAME, this one is clearly out of convention. BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 20:58, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

  @BrazilianDude70 - but what is the WP:COMMONNAME? I checked 3 recent BBC articles about Real Madrid (, , ) and they all use just "the Bernabéu" with no "stadium" or "estádio". Based on that (admittedly very cursory) sampling, I'd say just "Bernabéu" meets the COMMONNAME criteria better than "Bernabéu Stadium". Wburrow (talk) 21:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

  @Wburrow: The old name was just "Santiago Bernabéu", yet the page was named Santiago Bernabéu Stadium... BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 21:20, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

  The reason the page was named Santiago Bernabéu Stadium was to disambiguate it from the player it was named after, Santiago Bernabéu (footballer). As a matter of fact, the page should have been named Santiago Bernabéu (stadium). Now that the official name is Bernabéu, it has "(stadium)" as part of its name, to disambiguate it from Bernabéu and therefore is correct. Assadzadeh (talk) 21:31, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

  @Assadzadeh: In your opinion, mate. I disagree, and that's why I opened this RM. Let's wait for other opinions to come forward. BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 21:38, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

  Well, we still have to disambiguate, right? I'd agree that in a vacuum, just Bernabéu is the best name, but it's not WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, so disambiguation is needed. Which means the question really is, what's the best way to disambiguate? From WP:TITLEDAB we can choose natural or parenthetical disambiguation (or other?). Since it seems most articles on similar topics choose natural disambiguation, based on WP:CONSISTENT, I'd say Bernabéu Stadium is the best choice, so I Support (Support withdrawn – see below) the RM. Wburrow (talk) 21:41, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

  Actually, most articles use parenthetical disambiguation. Just look at Santiago Bernabéu (Madrid Metro) to disambiguate it from Santiago Bernabéu (footballer). So, I don't understand why the disambiguation "(stadium)" isn't sufficient. Assadzadeh (talk) 21:48, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

  WP:CONSISTENT says that "titles should be consistent among articles covering similar topics," and in this case I interpret that to mean among stadiums. Yes, parenthetical disambiguation is "Wikipedia's standard disambiguation technique when none of the other solutions lead to an optimal article title" (emphasis mine - quote from WP:NC()), but in this case we have a very good WP:NATDAB option. So let's compare Bernabéu Stadium vs Bernabéu (stadium) on the five naming WP:CRITERIA:

  Recognizability - about equal

  Naturalness - Bernabéu Stadium wins

  Precision - equal

  Concision - equal

  Consistency - Bernabéu Stadium wins

  I think Bernabéu Stadium is the better overall choice. (Although I'd have a different opinion if we were comparing Bernabéu Stadium with just Bernabéu. Is there a case to be made that the stadium meets WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and thus Bernabéu → Bernabéu (disambiguation) and then Bernabéu (stadium) → Bernabéu? Wburrow (talk) 22:54, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

  WP:OFFICIALNAME is an explanatory essay, it is not a Wikipedia policy or guideline. Assadzadeh (talk) 21:36, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

• Comment I've retargeted Bernabéu to this article as a primary redirect. It appears that this is the primary topic. If the proposed title "Bernabéu Stadium" does not find consensus, the article should be moved to Bernabéu, dropping the unnecessary disambiguation. 162 etc. (talk) 01:46, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

  Comment Now a dabpage, see thread below. 162 etc. (talk) 18:41, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose – Given the comment above that the stadium is the primary topic for Bernabéu, and that now Bernabéu is a redirect to Bernabéu (stadium), I have to withdraw my earlier support. I think instead we should move Bernabéu (stadium) → Bernabéu. "Bernabéu" is the WP:COMMONNAME for the stadium, and the stadium is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for "Bernabéu", so there isn't really any reason to add "Stadium" to the article title. This is unlike the examples in the RM statement (Maracanã, Pacaembu, Morumbi, Canindé) because none of those stadiums are the primary topic for the name. A closer comparison would be San Siro, which also doesn't need "Stadium" in the article title because the common name and primary topic match. Wburrow (talk) 09:25, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

• Support Bernabéu (stadium) → Bernabéu. Assadzadeh (talk) 09:49, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

  Having the article at Bernabéu without disambiguation would be unhelpful, since there is obvious ambiguity with the person after whom the stadium is named. Bernabéu (stadium) is a perfectly natural name for the article. – PeeJay 15:05, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

  I've added Santiago Bernabéu (footballer) to the hatnote. 162 etc. (talk) 17:01, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

  I'm still unconvinced that the stadium is the primary topic for the term "Bernabéu". – PeeJay 17:40, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

  So what should be the primary topic for "Bernabéu"? Assadzadeh (talk) 17:43, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

  I'll make a dabpage for now, pending the outcome of this RM. 162 etc. (talk) 18:37, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

  I think a disambiguation page would be the best idea. There are plenty of people with Bernabéu as a last name, I'm sure we could come up with a useful dab page. – PeeJay 20:01, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

  Bernabeu (surname) already exists to list people with that last name. A Bernabéu (disambiguation) page should only serve to list articles that might plausibly be titled as just "Bernabéu" if not for other articles that could also have that title. I don't think that even Santiago Bernabéu (footballer) should be listed on it per WP:NAMELIST. Wburrow (talk) 20:33, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

  Perhaps Bernabeu (surname) should be incorporated into a broader disambiguation page. – PeeJay 20:36, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

  I'm no expert on disambiguation pages, but I think that would be a pretty clear violation of MOS:DABNAME. (Although I'd agree that Bernabeu (surname) definitely should be listed on a Bernabéu dab page, if that's what you meant.) Wburrow (talk) 20:58, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

Before we diverge too far, the initial RM was for Bernabéu (stadium) → Bernabéu StadiumBernabéu Stadium. @Wburrow and I are clearly opposed to this proposal. @162 etc. and @PeeJay, do either of you have an opinion regarding the initial RM? Assadzadeh (talk) 20:51, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

Yes, back to this RM:

• (Note that another RM relevant to this one is open at Talk:Santiago Bernabéu (footballer)#Requested move 27 March 2026)

I feel like there are 3 2 questions that we need to more clearly answer before we can constructively discuss which articles belong at which titles. I'll pose the questions here, then give my thoughts in replies. (Please add more or correct me if I've missed something or misunderstood something.)

• A: What is the WP:COMMONNAME of the stadium that is the subject of this article?
• B: What/who (if anything) is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of Bernabéu?
• C: What/who (if anything) is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of Santiago Bernabéu?

Wburrow (talk) 21:03, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

• A: I've tried to sample a bunch of English-language reliable sources for how they are referring to the stadium after it's official name change, and it seems clear to me that "the Bernabéu" (or just "Bernabéu") is the most common way of referring to the stadium. I did see a few news articles call the stadium "the Santiago Bernabéu" or "Bernabéu Stadium". Of the sources I saw, only the Associated Press used "Santiago Bernabéu Stadium", but they did it consistently. Based on this, I do think "Bernabéu" is the WP:COMMONNAME of the stadium. Wburrow (talk) 21:15, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
• B: I really don't see anything besides the stadium that would qualify as the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of Bernabéu. The man Santiago Bernabéu would certainly be a candidate for the PT of his full name, but from the research I've done, I don't see any RSs use just "Bernabéu" to refer to the man (except of course when referring back to him after introducing him by his full name) or to anything/anyone besides the stadium. WP:PT1 says a topic is the PT "if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term." Certainly people could be trying to find the footballer by searching for just his last name, so I tried using the traffic tools provided on WP:DPT, and the page views for the stadium are consistently much higher than for the footballer (except for a spike in views for the footballer for a few days around 13 Jan). I don't see that WP:PT2 (long-term significance) is relevant here, but maybe others have a different take on that. In any case, from my reading of WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY, the stadium is the PT for just Bernabéu. Wburrow (talk) 22:05, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
• C: This one is tricky because Santiago Bernabéu (footballer) and the stadium shared the name for so long. A previous RM at Talk:Santiago Bernabéu (footballer) in 2019 basically found no PT between the 2. It'd be nice if we could say that since the stadium name change, the footballer has taken over as the PT, but there are definitely reliable sources that still use "Santiago Bernabéu" to refer to the stadium, and the stadium is discussed much more frequently. Because of that, people entering "Santiago Bernabéu" into a search are still most likely looking for the stadium. This WikiNav chart for Santiago Bernabéu (which is a dab page) shows far more traffic going to the stadium than the footballer, but it's pretty low volume. I think long-term significance is more relevant here than for just "Bernabéu", but I don't see either really having substantially greater enduring notability. All that to say, IMO there's still no primary topic for Santiago Bernabéu. Wburrow (talk) 22:49, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

  IMO, all discussions regarding who/what should be the primary topic for Santiago Bernabéu should be had at that talk page, not here. For now, it seems clear that the initial RM Bernabéu (stadium) → Bernabéu StadiumBernabéu Stadium is opposed. I suppose another RM could be started (or perhaps just continued here) for Bernabéu (stadium) → Bernabéu. Assadzadeh (talk) 23:06, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

  Fair enough, I've deleted part C. I've obviously spent way too much time thinking about this over the last day and it all became entangled in my head. Wburrow (talk) 00:01, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

  Just to be clear, I'm not opposed to part C, I'm just saying that it should be discussed at Santiago Bernabéu. Assadzadeh (talk) 00:32, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

I oppose the proposal to move this article to Bernabéu Stadium. – PeeJay 22:35, 27 March 2026 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 14:49, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose as proposed - no major opposition to an alternative move of:
  • Bernabéu (stadium) → Bernabéu
  • Bernabéu → Bernabéu (disambiguation)Bernabéu (disambiguation)

GiantSnowman 14:52, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

Oppose as proposed and Support moving this article to Bernabéu as it is the primary topic (it's clearly more notable than Bernabéu (surname) and the football player has a first name to go with it). We can put a hatnote at the top of the article for anyone who wanted to get to the football player or surname by searching Bernabéu, and then we can simply get rid of the disambiguation page. ⹃Maltazarian ^{ᚾparley$\lor$investigateᛅ} 16:39, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

• Support per WP:COMMONNAME. Being WP:OFFICIAL is utterly irrelevant. Bernabéu Stadium is what almost everybody in the English-speaking world calls it. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:01, 7 April 2026 (UTC)

  Is it though? Consider this recent article from the BBC, titled Why is Bernabeu hosting Madrid Open tennis stars? After introducing the stadium as "Real Madrid's Bernabeu stadium" in the opening sentence, the rest of the article uses "the Bernabeu", not Bernabeu Stadium. Are other reliable sources handling this differently? 162 etc. (talk) 20:18, 10 April 2026 (UTC)

  You'll also find that the BBC (and pretty much every other media outlet in the UK) commonly refers to Wembley Stadium simply as Wembley, but we don't use Wembley (stadium). -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:03, 16 April 2026 (UTC)

  We might have it at Wembley if that wasn't already occupied by a PTOPIC though, and I think the equivalent of that is what 162 is suggesting we do with this one (move to Bernabéu). ⹃Maltazarian ^{ᚾparley$\lor$investigateᛅ} 12:17, 16 April 2026 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Event Venues, WikiProject Spain, WikiProject Football/Spain task force, WikiProject Sports, WikiProject Sports/Facilities and venues task force, and WikiProject Football have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPath^talk 12:43, 10 April 2026 (UTC)

• Support moving to Bernabéu, since it does appear to be the PTOPIC, Neutral to Bernabéu Stadium, since I'm not thoroughly convinced that it is the COMMONNAME. Squawk7700 (talk) 16:35, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
• Support per nom, and WP:NATDIS, the stadium themselves use it as does the club, so don't see the issue? Open to it being just Bernabéu too. DankJae 20:34, 19 April 2026 (UTC)

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Elevation

As Madrid is the highest metropolitan city in Europe, and Bernabeu is higher than Atletico's stadiums, it is absolutely the highest to host any Euro and CL game. This is a fact! How can we show a source to something which is a geographical fact? Do you give a reference for its being home venue of Real Madrid since 1950's? Why dont you show one? Because, it's a fact! This is also a fact. ~2026-24114-57 (talk) 10:50, 19 April 2026 (UTC)

For instance, I talked about only Euro and UCL games. In other European Cups (UEFA Cup or Europa League) there were stadiums with higher than 1 km elevation, such as Kayseri and Konya, but they never hosted UCL games. Turkey has never hosted a Euro game, as well. Therefore, the info that Bernabeu hosted the highest Euro and CL games is a fact that does not need any reference!

This is an encyclopedia, and any information in its articles needs to be verifiable. Please see WP:PROVEIT. 162 etc. (talk) 17:16, 19 April 2026 (UTC)

Where is the reference for its being the home venue of Real Madrid? ~2026-24114-57 (talk) 19:59, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

It is on the lead section Haddad Maia fan (talk) 03:52, 28 April 2026 (UTC)

Where is the reference of being the first stadium in Europe to host both a UEFA Eurofinal and a FIFA World Cup final? ~2026-24114-57 (talk) 20:01, 23 April 2026 (UTC)