Talk:...So Goes the Nation

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I always thought california was the leader..."so goes california so goes the nation"....Nissanaltima (talk) 09:16, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. You can locate your hook here. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:50, 2 January 2026 (UTC)

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• ... that one of the Republican activists interviewed in the 2006 documentary ...So Goes the Nation later changed parties?

• Source: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/opinion/columnists/2024/10/05/opinion-longtime-republican-judge-leslie-ghiz-runs-as-an-independent/75466544007/

• • ALT1: ... that the 2006 documentary ...So Goes the Nation interviewed the chairman of both the Democratic and Republican parties? Source: https://variety.com/2006/film/markets-festivals/so-goes-the-nation-1200512914/
  • ALT2: ... that the directors of the 2006 documentary ...So Goes the Nation were originally trying to document possible voter fraud in the 2004 United States presidential election? Source: https://variety.com/2006/film/markets-festivals/so-goes-the-nation-1200512914/
  • ALT3: ... that the 2006 documentary ...So Goes the Nation centers on Ohio in the 2004 United States presidential election (map pictured)? Source: https://variety.com/2006/film/markets-festivals/so-goes-the-nation-1200512914/
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Georgie Purcell
  • Comment: Template:Did you know nominations/Heracross for my second QPQ

5x expanded by Olliefant (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 28 past nominations.

Olliefant (she/her) 08:33, 13 November 2025 (UTC).

• Comment. ALT0 is missing a word for it to make sense, and if I'm reading the article correctly, that word would be "one": "... that one of the Republican activists interviewed in the 2006 documentary ...So Goes the Nation later changed parties?" With regard to ALT2, if the filmmakers were "originally trying to document possible voter fraud" in the election, that implies that they might have changed their minds and decided to focus on something else, or perhaps that they couldn't find evidence of voter fraud. What did they wind up with instead? I can't really tell from the article. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:15, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

  @Metropolitan90: I clarified that they dropped the voter fraud stuff, I couldn't find why but Ill look again soon. Olliefant (she/her) 16:23, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

@Olliefant and Metropolitan90: Is this ready for review?--Launchballer 17:51, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

I assume that it was ready for review when the nomination was created, but I have no direct involvement with that determination. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 20:19, 13 December 2025 (UTC)

@Olliefant: Long enough, new enough. Both QPQs are done and Earwig is currently clean, though I removed one instance of WP:CLOP as part of a wholesale removal of WP:COATRACK material. No other reason why this might deserve a maintenance template. I'm afraid I find all of the hooks to be as dull as dishwater; what else have you got? Also, the image violates WP:DYKDIVERT and cannot run.--Launchballer 23:12, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

There isn't much else in the article that seems to be hooky, so this seems to be the only one that sticks out:

ALT4 ... that the title of the 2006 documentary ...So Goes the Nation comes from a saying on how Ohio tended to vote for the winner of the U.S. presidential election?

I would have said "since 1964", or even "to 2016", but obviously that would be wrong since the documentary is from 2006 (and thus didn't take into account Obama or Trump yet). Putting an asterisk in the hook to show 2020 as a counterexample would complicate the hook and be outside the article's scope, so this wording was the best I could come up with. I'm sure it could be workshopped further. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 06:36, 15 December 2025 (UTC)

@Olliefant, Metropolitan90, and Launchballer: Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:32, 16 December 2025 (UTC)

I don't have anything more to add right now. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 15:54, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

I'm fine with ALT4. Olliefant?--Launchballer 16:03, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

There's a typo in ALT4: "tended to voted" should be "tended to vote". --Metropolitan90 (talk) 16:27, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

I don't love alt4 but I still go for it. It still find the other hooks interesting but I rather just get this over with Olliefant (she/her) 16:38, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

• @Launchballer:. It seems this is ready for a second look. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:06, 25 December 2025 (UTC)

• Launchballer has not returned despite a ping. Pinging Viriditas to take a look since he has experience with US politics articles. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:15, 2 January 2026 (UTC)

• Yeah, this is a tough one. This is one reason why I did not nominate a DYK for any of the political film articles I created last year. It's not easy, first of all, and there's no guarantee people will like it. Personally, I like ALT0, but I took a minute to look into it and then realized it's not as good as I thought. The person in question didn't so much change parties as switch to independent because of Trump, which means they still identify as the original party but not in its current manifestation. That's why this kind of thing is so difficult. With that said, I think the idea behind ALT4 is all we are left with, but there's probably better ways to word it. Try shortening it? ... that the documentary ...So Goes the Nation is named after Ohio's history of voting for the winning presidential candidate? Viriditas (talk) 00:50, 2 January 2026 (UTC)

@Viriditas: I'd be okay with a new wording, but we still need a decision on whether or not the article and nomination issues are addressed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:53, 2 January 2026 (UTC)

It looks good to go. I don't see any outstanding issues. I will take another look just to be sure. Viriditas (talk) 00:59, 2 January 2026 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: I just did a small copyedit. The article and hook look GTG. Viriditas (talk) 01:21, 2 January 2026 (UTC)

• I guess this is good then with Viriditas's wording:

ALT4a ... that the documentary ...So Goes the Nation is named after Ohio's history of voting for the winning presidential candidate?

Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:22, 2 January 2026 (UTC)