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Requests for project input

Please add requests for MILHIST participation to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history/Requests for project input. This includes requests for comment, requested moves, articles for deletion, and more.

Request for comment at Talk:Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh#RfC: Should "far-right" be added to the political position of the RSS?

There is an RfC at Talk:Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh#RfC: Should "far-right" be added to the political position of the RSS? that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — EarthDude (Talk) 05:49, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Guy Richards Champlin

The article Guy Richards Champlin has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Poorly sourced article about a privateer. Tagged for refimprove and notability concerns for 10 years. A Google search found zero Book sources. Fails the relevant notability guidelines. Lacks significant coverage.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the page to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion based on established criteria.

If the proposed deletion has already been carried out, you may request undeletion of the article at any time. Bearian (talk) 03:34, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

"Prince of Wales's 2nd Brigade, Eastern Division, Royal Artillery" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Prince of Wales's 2nd Brigade, Eastern Division, Royal Artillery has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2026 June 16 § Prince of Wales's 2nd Brigade, Eastern Division, Royal Artillery until a consensus is reached.

"Case Black" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Case Black has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2026 June 16 § Case Black until a consensus is reached. Thryduulf (talk) 16:46, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

FAC of Gopal Mukund Huddar

The article Gopal Mukund Huddar is currently a candidate for featured article status. It hasn't received much feedback yet, so comments and reviews are appreciated at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Gopal Mukund Huddar/archive1. — EarthDude (Talk) 09:43, 25 June 2026 (UTC)

4th Armored Division - Early Days

Those familiar with the extraordinary performance of the armored divisions in WW2 know that the 4th Armored Division was instrumental in the final push through western Europe into Germany in the final months of the war. By the end of 1944 its commander, John Shirley Wood, had been somewhat controversially replaced by Hugh J Gaffey under the orders of George S. Patton.

But prior to General Wood's assuming command of the 4th in May 1942 lies another interesting story. He assumed command of the division from retiring Major General Henry W Baird who organized and trained it out of Pine Camp from its inception in April 1941. Since October 1940, General Baird, at that time nearing the end of a 36-year career with the U.S. Cavalry, was in command of the 1st Armored Brigade of the 1st Armored Division under Bruce Magruder. But in the spring of 1941, his rank was advanced from Brigadier to Major General and he became the first commander of the 4th Armored Division. During General Baird's time with the division, Pine Camp (now a part of Fort Drum) underwent a massive expansion. Its pool of trainees grew to nearly 10,000. He oversaw the development of the facility and designed the training program for the new recruits. General Wood deserves the credit for implementing the newer generation of the Division's training in 1942 and 1943, but his work was conducted on the foundation laid by General Baird, who had brought 18 years of experience in training and organizational development into establishing the 4th.

General Wood and General Gaffey, have Wikipedia pages, but General Baird does not. His story of getting the 4th Armored Division underway, along with his experiences in the late 1930s working with Daniel Van Voorhis and Adna R. Chaffee Jr. in completing the expansion of the 7th Cavalry Brigade into the early versions of the 1st and 2nd Armored Divisions help answer the question of how the mounted cavalry of the 19th and early 20th century completed its transformation into a mechanized combat force.

As General Baird's grandson, and his namesake, I have drafted a Wikipedia page for him and would appreciate anyone's support in getting it published.

Henry Baird, Seattle

Auto ed question

History of the British 8th Division during the First World War ran it on this article and then regretted it, lots of stuff removed and artefacts added . Reversed it to an earlier edit. Has anyone encountered this? Regards Keith-264 (talk) 16:50, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Operation Pedestal Just happened here too. Keith-264 (talk) 08:30, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

Categorisation

Afternoon folks!! I've got this article out of Afc: Yanina–Ottoman War. I have no clue to categorise it. I've been looking at it on and off all day and still not came up with anything. Any help is appreciated. scope_creep^Talk 13:59, 21 June 2026 (UTC)

Review request: Draft:Abdullahi Hassan Mohamud

Folk10852 (talk) 12:12, 22 June 2026 (UTC)

Which one? Slatersteven (talk) 18:14, 22 June 2026 (UTC)

Charles Wade Crump, Madras Artillery, 1858

Charles Darwin's papers include a letter forwarded to him which was written circa 1858 by Charles Wade Crump, said to be "Madras Artillery", or possibly just "artillery, in Madras". Can anyone please confirm which unit he served with, and/or find further biographical details? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:54, 22 June 2026 (UTC)

He served with 3rd Battalion of the Madras Artillery. He was commissioned into the Madras presidency army on 8 December 1843 and was promoted to first lieutenant on 2 October 1847 (ref). Son of Charles Collins Crump, rector of Halford, Warwickshire. His only brother John Roberts Crump died of Cholera in 1854. Charles Wade Crump married Augusta Kemp on 19 Decenver 1856. He later served as brigade major (but still ranked as lieutenant) during the Indian Mutiny under General Havelock. He was killed in action on 26 September 1857 during the Siege of Lucknow, aged 32. (ref). Presumably he held the acting rank of captain when he died as this is the rank he is listed under for his mention in despatches of 23 December 1857 (ref p101) - Dumelow (talk) 15:23, 22 June 2026 (UTC)

Excellent, thank you. I've added the details to Charles Crump (Q140314616). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:08, 22 June 2026 (UTC)

FAC source review sought

Anyone here able and willing to do some spotchecks on the FAC USS Anzio (CVE-57)? Cheers. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:39, 23 June 2026 (UTC)

I got it--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 20:01, 23 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks Sturm. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:15, 23 June 2026 (UTC)

www.tracesofwar.com

Has this TracesOfWar website ever been discussed and deemed reliable? I found this entry: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 393#tracesofwar.com but it has never been conclusively been considered reliable, nor unreliable? Feickus (talk · contribs) deems it reliable, advocating for inclusion. The arguments brought forward here: Talk:List of foreign recipients of the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross follow a similar line of arguments as brought forward when uboat.net was discussed. Before the entire article is rewritten and based on the content of TracesOfWar, I advocate for a discussion. Thoughts? MisterBee1966 (talk) 12:46, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

I am the editor advocating for the inclusion of TracesOfWar in this article. A few points of clarification are warranted.

First, the characterization that "the entire article is rewritten and based on the content of TracesOfWar" is inaccurate. The draft uses TracesOfWar as one source among many, retains Von Seemen where no TracesOfWar page exists, and incorporates independent sources including the U.S. State Department, Der Spiegel, the National WWII Museum, the Times of Israel, the American University International Law Review, and the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.

Second, the comparison to uboat.net is not apt. TracesOfWar is operated by STIWOT, a registered Dutch foundation dedicated to WWII research, with editorial oversight. It is not a personal fan site. It explicitly cites Scherzer, Fellgiebel, and Bundesarchiv records as its own sources, functioning as a secondary source that cross-references the same published works already cited in the article.

Third, TracesOfWar is already used in hundreds of Wikipedia military history articles without objection. The 2022 RSN discussion referenced concerned a specific article about a German prince that cited deprecated genealogy websites -- an entirely different context from military award documentation.

It should also be noted that this discussion arises in the context of an active Third Opinion (3O) review of the article, requested by @MWFwiki, who specifically requested a sandbox draft as a prototype for proposed revisions. That draft is available at User:Feickus/Kinght's Cross Draft. The full discussion can be found at Talk:List of foreign recipients of the Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross. Community input is welcome. Feickus (talk) Feickus (talk) 13:04, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

MisterBee didn't characterize the article as having been rewritten based on TracesofWar as you claim. He said the site should be evaluated BEFORE the article is rewritten based on its content. Big difference. Intothatdarkness 14:04, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

The distinction is noted. Regardless of timing, the implication that the draft relies entirely on TracesOfWar is inaccurate. The draft uses TracesOfWar as one source among many, retains Von Seemen where no TracesOfWar page exists, and incorporates numerous independent sources. [[User:Feickus|Feickus]] ([[User talk:Feickus|talk]]) Feickus (talk) 14:19, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

Is this bio in the project scope?

Wu Mujin - civilian dock worker "associated" with the Royal Navy? If you think yes, go ahead and tag with milhist :) TIA _{Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here} 05:42, 25 June 2026 (UTC)

I think this bio is not in the scope of the project. Note that three of her four medals were "replicas" presented by admiring ships' crews. The other could, perhaps still can, be given to civilians as well as military personnel for service to the British Empire. I think she is notable and the article about her meets Wikipedia guidelines. If others think her service as the admired leader of a civilian crew providing service to ships and her good relationship with ships' crew members is enough to put the bio in the scope of the project, I would consider the reasons for that conclusion. But my opinion is that the article is not within the scope as I understand it. Donner60 (talk) 09:21, 27 June 2026 (UTC)

I would think so. Our criteria for inclusion is whether service related to the defence forces is defining. The rule of thumb is whether it rates a mention in the lead. Ordinary military service, even in wartime, does not usually qualify. In this case, it is defining, as "one of the best-known civilian figures associated with the Royal Navy", so is in scope. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 19:37, 27 June 2026 (UTC)

I'd put it as in scope. Regardless of the medals and honors situation, her notability is based on fame surrounding her service to the Royal Navy. The history of these ships and their servicing is unambiguously in scope for us, and as Hawkeye notes, that history and servicing is what's defining about Wu. ⇒SWATJester ^{Shoot Blues, Tell VileRat!} 22:15, 27 June 2026 (UTC)

I would concede it as within the scope based on these comments. I am perhaps a little more restrictive than others on the scope, which is the reason I thought that other conclusions with explanations should take precedence. Donner60 (talk) 00:09, 28 June 2026 (UTC)