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Sorting & cleaning postseason pages

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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I believe I made a discussion on this last year, but I have a list of proposals I would like to make in regards to pages about postseason pages, because the format of which series(es) specifically get their own pages is a little confusing, combined with certain pages not really being very significant in information to me to deserve their own pages.

I will summarize my proposals:

• World Series and List of World Series champions are both good, no changes needed
• Merge League Championship Series into National League Championship Series and American League Championship Series; the general LCS page is very lacking in content, and only offers a brief history of the series, most of which can easily be put into the ALCS and NLCS pages if it isn't in there already.
• There is also List of National League pennant winners and List of American League pennant winners, which I think are both good to stay put, as they predate the LCS.
• Merge Division Series into National League Division Series and American League Division Series; the same reasoning as above for the LCS applies to these pages.

Then that brings the Wild Card. Unlike the prior two series, we only have one page for Wild Card Series. The NL and AL do not have their own individual pages for this, but they do have List of National League Wild Card winners and List of American League Wild Card winners. Both those pages are completely redundant, and should be merged. However, what it should be merged into is the question. Should we keep just one unified Wild Card Series page, or split it out into American League Wild Card Series and National League Wild Card Series? Note that for individual Wild Card Series(es) per year, this is individualized by year (e.g. 2022 American League Wild Card Series and 2022 National League Wild Card Series). Red0ctober22 (talk) 03:11, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

Support merging American League Division Series and National League Division Series into Division Series. The format sections are identical and I'm not sure how Division Series is supposed to be merged to these – are you proposing these have duplicative content? Same with the LCS – I think it would be better to have one article that covers both leagues. Also support a unified Wild Card Series page. — Reywas92^Talk 04:02, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

I'm definitely open to unifying everything if that is so wished. As is, there is already duplicative content. the ALDS page has similar, if not the same information about the history as the NLDS page does. There's just no point to having both a unified page and individualized pages when they all have duplicate content. Red0ctober22 (talk) 04:05, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

Then you can boldly perform the merge yourself! This seems uncontroversial FaviFake (talk) 15:34, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

I definitely agree its uncontroversial, I just wanted to check it through since it is a bulk of moves/merges.

We do have some conflicting opinions on whether to unify into one Division Series/League Championship Series page, or split out into respective leagues, so I would like to see those get resolved first. Red0ctober22 (talk) 22:22, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

The editor who offered a conflicting opinion to Reywas92's has stated they are open to whatever, so I personally lean toward the idea of unifying like Reywas92 wanted. Seeing as this is uncontroversial, I will consider this able to be moved forward and go ahead with the mergers. Red0ctober22 (talk) 23:29, 13 May 2026 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Possible vandal

I don't edit baseball much. See history of 1983 Baltimore Orioles season.- UCO2009bluejay (talk) 20:37, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

In what way does adding sourced game logs meet the definition of vandalism? Left guide (talk) 01:40, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

Look at the schedule, colors look way off, team links are orange.-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 14:50, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

Looking at the TA's contributions, it looks like they have been adding a lot of game logs. Whether that is good/bad IDK as those picayune details interest me none, but it is not vandalism. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 17:36, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

Agree. Maybe not ideal, but WP:NOTVANDALISM. —Bagumba (talk) 19:49, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

They're using {{Baseball secondary style}} for the color, whereas the earlier roster listing is using some hardcoded value. —Bagumba (talk) 19:40, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

Link colors shouldn't change per MOS:COLOR. —Bagumba (talk) 19:48, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

I removed the <span style="color:#F87217">...</span> (orange links) from the game logs. Hope that resolves this post for the OP. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 21:40, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

Middle reliever

Please add more references. Thanks. Bearian (talk) 02:48, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

Requesting the aid of someone with a Sports Illustrated, ESPN, and/or The Athletic subscriptions, as all of them could be useful references. Additionally, I'm not sure this page is notable enough for its own article, but let's attain some references first and then decide on the other. Pistongrinder (talk) 05:35, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

Jacob deGrom WS champ?

Ever since "WP:KERSHAWRFC", there's been a slow-churning edit war going on at Jacob deGrom on whether or not he is a World Series champ. Added, removed, added, removed, added, removed, added, removed Thoughts? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:28, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

The WP:ONUS is on those that want include it is to convince the community that most sources call him a WS winner. Then even Clayton Kershaw's article has an explanatory footnote that he didn't play in that particular series. Or the community can come up with a more objective way to handle this, without debating this for every big-market player. —Bagumba (talk) 17:47, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Do you think Kershaw should be in the 2024 WS champ naxbox: Template:2024 Los Angeles Dodgers. Seems weird to be in the infobox but not the navbox. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:50, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

No opinion, but at least it's consistent with 2025 nav and Alex Vesia. —Bagumba (talk) 18:03, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

The user who added WS champ to Vesia's infobox just told me I can go ahead and remove it. So yeah, this stuff is about as clear as mud. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:06, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

It was all pretty consistent until that Kershaw RFD which involved a lot of people who were not particularly familiar with the material. Spanneraol (talk) 18:15, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

But they are very familiar with Wikipedia's WP:BLP policy. PK-WIKI (talk) 18:17, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

I had tried the footnote compromise as early as 2012. Otherwise, I think we're stuck with editors cherrypicking sources for their particular POV and relying on any average Joe's close. —Bagumba (talk) 18:48, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

If I found a few random newspaper articles that said Jacob deGrom was a WS champ for 2023 (like this), could I add WS champ to the infobox with a footnote? Or do you need a specific number of sources (more than three?) Edgardo Henriquez doesn't have any independent sources calling him a WS champ so how do we know he is one if we're not allowed to use MLB.com or Baseball Reference? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 19:15, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

He played in the World Series, there are multitude of box scores and articles about his performance in it. Spanneraol (talk) 20:16, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Exactly. So Kershaw, Vesia, and whoever else should be removed right? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 20:19, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Kershaw yes, Vesia is a slightly different case cause he played in all the other rounds of the postseason and BR lists him as a champ, but Kershaw (and DeGrom) did not play at all the second half of the season or the playoffs. However, people who didn't understand any of this voted in that RFC so we are stuck with this one exemption. Spanneraol (talk) 20:27, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Please wp:assume good faith and stop casting aspersions that participants in the RFC "didn't understand" the situation. We understand it very well, as well as Wikipedia's core policies. PK-WIKI (talk) 00:35, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

It's not bad faith to point out that it's factually inaccurate that he's a World Series champion. The inclusion is basically because it was misreported. Please exercise good faith responding to opinions for which you don't agree. Nemov (talk) 02:00, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

The RfC opened up Pandora's box. Or maybe it was a one-off. —Bagumba (talk) 01:44, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

deGrom added again. Removed again. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 12:27, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

This is a regular addition to the Ronald Acuña Jr. article as well. Frankly, he contributed more to that team getting to the World Series than Kershaw. Nemov (talk) 13:13, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Wow, WS champ has been added to Acuna's article eight times in the last several months (). That's a lot of edit warring. The page should be semi-protected at least. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 14:09, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

At that page has actual discussions about this at Talk:Ronald Acuña Jr.. But the edits might be a bit stale to protect right now, with the last one you listed in April. —Bagumba (talk) 04:35, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

As an item for future discussions, Rob Gronkowski played 8/16 games in 2016. He was moved to the IR for the last 5 games of the regular season, and did not participate in the playoffs at all as the Patriots went on to win Super Bowl LI. Despite this, Pro Football Reference lists him as a "4x SB Champ" in apparent contradition to the same company's treatment of baseball players. Their FAQ also states Q: How many Super Bowls has Rob Gronkowski won? A: Rob Gronkowski has won 4 Super Bowls. The Wikipedia article Rob Gronkowski infobox states "4× Super Bowl champion (XLIX, LI, LIII, LV)" with no asterisk or note. He is included in the list at Template:Super Bowl LI with no indication that he was not on the Super Bowl roster. PK-WIKI (talk) 14:40, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

The Gronkowski example is from a different sport with different roster and championship conventions. The question here should be how reliable sources and baseball-specific practice treat players who were not on the World Series roster, rather than how NFL player accomplishments are presented. Nemov (talk) 15:19, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

I did email PFR once and ask them about that. Their database includes "SB champ" for anyone who played in a game for the team that year. PFR apparently doesn't keep track of Super Bowl rosters or anything like that. I've had to remove Super Bowl champion from some players' articles who were cut in September (lol). MLB has no second or third-string QBs who never play, no practice squads, and less injuries than the NFL. People can get injured in the NFC or AFC championship and then not play in the Super Bowl. The Super Bowl is just one game. So in the NFL, "Super Bowl champion" is anyone on the roster. If it was like MLB and only listed people who played in the game, then there would be WAY more borderline cases than just Kershaw, deGrom, etc. Anyone who is on the 26-man World Series roster is most likely going to play in at least one game. You do make a good point though. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 15:42, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

That's a perfectly fine editorial decision for PFR to take. But, like their display of World Series champions, it's an arbitrary choice made by a single website. We can argue if the choices of Sports Reference, LLC should be considered at all, but it cannot be the only factor in Wikipedia's display of the information for any sport (which instead must be determined by WP:NPOV, WP:BLP, etc.) SR's contradiction between MLB/NFL, based apparently on their own lack of NFL roster stats, highlights that their championship markup is an arbitrary decision by that website based solely on their own internal data and ease of display. PK-WIKI (talk) 16:33, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

MLB.com doesn't count Acuna. Players who have won the World Series and World Baseball Classic: "To qualify for this list, a player must have at least appeared in one postseason game for that year's eventual World Series champion. That means newly-minted WBC champion Ronald Acuña Jr., who was injured during the Braves' 2021 World Series run, does not make this particular list"

NFL.com does count Gronkoski though Four-time Super Bowl champion Rob Gronkowski announces retirement after 11 seasons with Patriots, Buccaneers ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:01, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

MLB.com does count Kershaw, then: "Kershaw closes book on awesome career with 3rd championship"

These unbylined MLB blog articles are not reliable secondary sources and don't reflect any kind of league-wide comprehensive decision/award of these championship honors. PK-WIKI (talk) 16:25, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Fair enough on the Kershaw article. His MLB.com profile only has two titles though. Also, the Acuna article lists the author as "Brent Maguire". ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:29, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Can Michael Conforto have WS champ added to his infobox using these sources:

1. Chicago Tribune - "Michael Conforto’s first World Series title evoked mixed feelings. Conforto experienced a “crazy roller-coaster ride of emotion” to win a championship with the Los Angeles Dodgers last season while producing the worst year of his career and not appearing in any of their playoff games."
2. Associated Press - "Cubs’ Michael Conforto gets his 2025 World Series ring from the Dodgers"

~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:17, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Conforto played in the regular season, remained signed with the team, was in the dugout during the entire post season and world series, held the trophy, was in the parade, received a ring. Exact same situation as Gronkowski. I would prefer for this to be the default treatment: players who are still on the team given championship honors regardless of the final 26-man roster. This would include players on the expanded roster and DL. (That's my preferred assumed default, in the absence of reliable sources saying they are individually not champions.) That seems to be how reliable secondary sources and the teams themselves treat championships for those kind of players. Note that this is different from players who have been cut or traded, such as Nomar Garciaparra in 2004. More discussion or one-off decisions needed there. PK-WIKI (talk) 18:10, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

That's how it is on NFL articles, but (correct me if I'm wrong) I think the 40-man MLB rosters include minor leaguers who don't even practice with the team so baseball isn't quite as clear cut in that regard. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 18:26, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure either who is with the team at any given point or how the expanded roster / injury list situation works. But major leaguers who are in the dugout at the end of the season seem to indisputably qualify as champions under the observed (if not documented) procedures of reliable sources and the teams themselves. Wikipedia should match that. PK-WIKI (talk) 18:33, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

I'm going to guess that MLB (and NBA in the past) requiring teams to declare a playoff roster is a factor. The twist with Vesia was that he played in the 2025 playoffs, but wasn't on their WS roster. The difficulty is that sources generally dont publish their criteria on what makes a player a "champion" for these team sports. —Bagumba (talk) 19:41, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

There are not great sources for who was "hanging out in the dugout" during the world series.. especially if you go back to historical pre-internet series... the bright line has always been who played in the series because that is very easy to source from box scores and the like.Spanneraol (talk) 20:34, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

It's also incorrect, based on reliable sources' treatment of the subject. PK-WIKI (talk) 20:46, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

I randomly looked at the 2012 World Series, the last one to end in a sweep, figuring fewer players might have played. Baseball Reference shows three Giants with no stats: Xavier Nady, Guillermo Mota, and Javier López. They were all named to the Giants WS roster. All players have 2012 WS champs in their infobox and listed at Template:2012 San Francisco Giants. —Bagumba (talk) 21:36, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jesse Edwards (baseball)

Negro leaguer. If anyone can dig up some sources, that'd be great. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 20:03, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2026_May_25#Category:Major_League_Baseball_history_by_location

Please comment Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2026_May_25#Category:Major_League_Baseball_history_by_location.--User:Namiba 21:54, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

Preferred Format for Minor League Pages

Hi, I'm a new editor in general who's interested in editing NYC related articles and wanted to give Brooklyn Cyclones an update. I see that the Nashville Sounds, also a minor league team, have an article rated FA-class. I love the formatting of the article (for example the way they structure results). Is there an established format for MiLB articles in this way? Ideally I would love all MiLB pages to have similar looking results tables if possible. Pondofturtles9 (talk) 11:09, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks! Most of the active Triple-A team articles mirror this format, as well as the rest of the Brewers organization and a few other teams here and there. Considering it is the only FA MiLB team article (and topic), it would seem to be the de facto prototype format. Feel free to hit me up with any questions. NatureBoyMD (talk) 11:54, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

There is Wikipedia:WikiProject Baseball/Team style advice, although it is highly under-developed. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 21:45, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

On a somewhat related note, I can't recall if a discussion was ever started to discuss that advice page to see if it had support. (True enough, no one offered feedback when I started discussions on the player style advice page. However I did base it on various featured articles of players, and some parts have been discussed over the years.) isaacl (talk) 22:51, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

Categorizing players in team category when team has changed names

• Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2026 June 20#Category:Akron Aeros

Currently, there is a discussion about merging Category:Akron Aeros with Category:Akron RubberDucks. In doing some spot research, I found other teams in that league who changed their name but not their location, had separate categories. Another user pointed out the Indians and Guardians have different categories. The reason I bring this here is because I could not find any guidance for any professional league on how to handle the situations. I did find this discussion from 2011, but it came to no conclusion. It seems to me these situations should be uniform across the board with exceptions being resolved via consensus; not a few cats. done one way due to a CfD and the remaining done another way. One idea is to have a "Category:Akron RubberDucks franchise" and then a subcategory "Category:Akron Aeros". I hope we could formalize this, maybe a RfC is needed. What are others thinking? Rgrds. --BX (talk) 13:02, 21 June 2026 (UTC)

Addendum: I did want to clarify I was focused on the "players" category -- this CfD was focused on the team category -- but my logic is that the 2 are intertwined and you (possibly) can't have one without the other; i.e., one wouldn't categorize the subcat. :Category:Akron Aeros players under Category:Akron RubberDucks, but maybe one would because :Category:Cleveland Indians players is categorized under Category:Cleveland Guardians. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 14:24, 21 June 2026 (UTC)

We have pretty much always had the categories separate when a team rebrands.. as players from the Guardians often did not play for a team named the Indians... and vice versa.. it's also good from a historical perspective to keep it separate. Spanneraol (talk) 14:02, 21 June 2026 (UTC)

Statistics in player infoboxes

I realize Wikipedia is not the place that people will typically go for baseball statistics, but I still find that the selection of stats shown in infoboxes are incredibly basic and, for lack of a better word, very much cater to oldheads. In short, my suggestion is that OPS and baseball-reference's version of WAR (I do not particularly like that version of WAR the best, but it would likely be easiest to implement and is already cited as the source for all statistics) should be included. Here's an example. AveryTheComrade (talk) 04:11, 22 June 2026 (UTC)