Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 October 2
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The result of the discussion was Delete This is close, but I think reviewing the arguments through the lens of policy shows a weak consensus to delete here. Starting from the basics, there are eight users in favor of deleting, and 9 users in favor of keeping, but the arguments for keeping seem weaker and less convincing. For example:
- 2600:4040:2838:FA00:E859:7D90:79A2:2DEB can be discounted as just a vote
- Sunflowerthomas can be discounted for completely missing the point; sidebars don't show up on mobile either (I verified this myself)
- Rob Kelk isn't actually opposing deletion, despite making a comment using the bolded word 'Oppose'; they're just providing implementation instructions.
* Pppery * it has begun... 19:44, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
all the content in this sidebar is in the footer navbox (by construction) so this is providing redundant navigation. The footer navbox is better for page layout as it does not crowd other right floating content like images and infoboxes, so I proposing simply replacing this with the footer navbox where the footer navbox is not directly transcluded. Frietjes (talk) 20:10, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose 2600:4040:2838:FA00:E859:7D90:79A2:2DEB (talk) 10:55, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose - bottom navboxes are less preferable by many readers as they are not as discoverable. The community just dicussed this at great length at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/Archive 221#Remove non-ordinal series templates. There are alternative ways to solve it by making sidebar content only selectively present the high level topics through a bit of template parametering, which can be solved editorially on the talk page and should have happened there first vefore taking this to RfD. Might be a snow close. Raladic (talk) 21:31, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete redundant to the information in {{Discrimination}} which is much more user friendly, particularly on mobile devices. -Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 21:33, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- Navboxes don't even show up on mobile. -- Brad (talk) 23:39, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose per other posters. -- Brad (talk) 23:36, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose (Keep) This navbox links to many subjects and is like a library of topics about discrimination. It is a very complex topic with many facets and the breadth of topics is an asset to this navbox and our encyclopedia. The presence of the navbox also sets the tone on these topics and it encourages us to take these topics seriously. Not everyone reads down to the bottom and might skip the segment at the bottom. -TenorTwelve (talk) 06:02, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: per precedent at TfD, no need to duplicate information. —Matrix ping mewhen u reply (t? - c) 10:50, 4 October 2025 (UTC)
- Strong delete: this is a cluttered box which repeatedly causes MOS:SANDWICH issues. such boxes should be horizontal and placed at the bottom of the page. ―Howard • 🌽33 17:19, 5 October 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose: for mobile users where navboxes don’t show the sidebar can be useful for finding topics when otherwise they cannot. Sunflowerthomas (talk) 11:57, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- Note: We were discussing the need to clean up this template here Template talk:Discrimination under scope; my suggestion as a top level "Discrimination" nav bar, that somehow links to sub templates or lists. Index_of_psychology_articles being an example of an article with mixed methods to help make navigation through articles better. I would like to keep the navigation but make it more organized, I'm not married to particulars just the desire to clean it up. Denaar (talk) 14:19, 6 October 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Redundant deletion and per my earliest post. Just seems odd and rather spurious, since I do use it and have edited it before. – KaijuEditor (talk) 00:10, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:25, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom ShallowC (talk) 05:22, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. This entirely duplicates the footer, and sidebars are generally inadvisable. This template specifically is out of compliance with the relevant template guidelines on most every article it is placed in. If we keep this, most of its contents need to be removed, and it needs to be removed from most of the articles it is on, to be compliant with the guidelines. PARAKANYAA (talk) 06:28, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose/Keep This sidebar is less cluttered and is easier to navigate by opening. Phone users can just change to desktop view. Servite et contribuere (talk) 23:46, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- Neither navboxes nor sidebars show up in mobile view. — HTGS (talk) 23:58, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose - Not convenient for readers by any means. ⛿ WeaponizingArchitecture | yell at me 00:08, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Strong delete. This template is barely relevant to most pages it is included on. Its placement in the lead serves as an editorial comment on the page contents (or even a POV-esque badge of shame). That, and many topics are only peripherally related to each other. Someone reading or doing research at the page on Discrimination against drug addicts is unlikely to need a quick and ready link to Han chauvinism at the top of the page (let alone Capital punishment for homosexuality or Autistic rights movement). — HTGS (talk) 00:45, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Weak Oppose. The footer navbox is not used an all pages where the sidebar template is used. Don't delete until the replacement is completely rolled out. --Rob Kelk 21:58, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
- Strong oppose. Easier for readers and more obvious for the sidebar. -ISometimesEatBananas (talk) 00:07, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 06:09, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
Only 5 uses. Don’t see any reason this warrants its own wrapper. {{Infobox manner of address}} works just fine. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 18:33, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:25, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was delete the Regions template as only linking to categories and otherwise duplicating the City template. Primefac (talk) 14:20, 19 October 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Regions of Johannesburg (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
- Template:City of Johannesburg Metropolitan Municipality (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Propose merging Template:Regions of Johannesburg with Template:City of Johannesburg Metropolitan Municipality.
I believe the two templates are meant to show the same information. GeographicAccountant (talk) 17:45, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:25, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Template:Regions of Johannesburg. It is solely navigating categories, which is not the point of a navbox (intended for use in the mainspace). See WP:NAVBOX. Izno (talk) 06:12, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per Izno. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:46, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nomination and WikiCleanerMan. Should be a simple enough job given that Regions A through G are already mentioned in the CoJMM navbox. Frank(has DemoCracy DeprivaTion) 17:06, 17 October 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Pppery (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 23:02, 10 October 2025 (UTC)
- Template:Use (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
The template appears conceived to merge the functionality of a large number of datevar and engvar templates, but it is not complete in function or form, and does not integrate into the related existing and complex ecosystem of templates, modules and categories, and it is unlikely it will be. It actually serves little purpose and I found multiple cases of misuse, likely through misunderstanding, while swapping all usage for the traditional counterparts. I raised concerns on the template talk page, where Trappist the monk provided feedback. Fred Gandt · talk · contribs 17:01, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
- Note that this template was created following a consensus at RfD, although I can't find a link to the discussion anywhere. Cremastra, do you happen to remember? —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 00:50, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- The discussion is easy to find via "What links here" in
{{use}}'s sidebar (does that still exist in the new UI? it should); see Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 July 20 § Template:Use.Fred Gandt · talk · contribs12:51, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
- The discussion is easy to find via "What links here" in
- Delete. I'd be fine with a name like
{{use style|date=ymd}}or similar, but a plain old {{use}} could stand for practically anything in arbitrary wikitext. Me personally, I'd support a template like this in general but don't see a compelling reason to add it in lieu of something like multi-content revisions for the properties that we currently stuff into the existing templates like this one (which would require as many edits to go forth and change how we do things, just we'd be doing it twice if we added this template in the meantime). Izno (talk) 07:40, 5 October 2025 (UTC) - Delete. I expressed at the 2023 RfD that deleting was my second choice after the creation of this "wildcard" template, and it looks like the discussion ended with consensus for that position as well. However, it seems to be causing more problems than it's solving, so it has to go. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 05:14, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was keep. Izno (talk) 00:58, 16 October 2025 (UTC)
The character could be:
- copied
- or pasted with "Emoji & Symbols"
instead, though it would make it less easy to type, but is unused regardless. BodhiHarp 15:35, 8 September 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. The nominator does not make a compelling case for deletion. There is an entire category of similar typing-aid templates, so it's not clear why this one is being singled out. The lack of usage may just indicate that people are substing it. And, as I get tired of having to repeat, as WP:TFD#3 states in bold for emphasis, being unused is not a reason for deletion unless there is also
no likelihood of being used
. The use case for this typing aid is perfectly plausible. Sdkb talk 15:53, 8 September 2025 (UTC)- I doubt people are substing a template that has no indication whatsoever that it is meant to be subst. What's more likely, is that this just isn't used at all. Gonnym (talk) 16:29, 8 September 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 20:35, 22 September 2025 (UTC) - Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: One more relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, / RemoveRedSky [talk] 16:11, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
- Delete While the nominator did not give a good explanation, the template is unused and there is nothing to say that it is supposed to be substituted. While we are at it, delete its counterpart {{Greater than or equal to}}. —Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 20:17, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
- Its documentation indicated that it's a typing aid, and most editors know that typing aids are meant to be substed. If you really care about it being spelled out, then a better ATD would have been to follow WP:SOFIXIT (I just did, adding a subst-only notice).
- Lastly, I will note for the closer that nothing in your !vote is a rebuttal to my WP:TFD3 argument above. Regardless of whether or not it has been used, unless you can demonstrate that it has
no likelihood of being used
, then the sole deletion argument is based on a misreading of policy and is unlikely to be given weight. Sdkb talk 20:57, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
- Note: After the second relist, the nominator crossed out their nomination. Sdkb talk 20:59, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
- Suggest move to
{{lte}}, while retaining current title as redirect. Similarly, would support moving{{Greater than or equal to}}to{{gte}}. VanIsaac, GHTV contrabout 23:33, 8 October 2025 (UTC)- "LTE" means Letter to the editor. "A letter to the editor[1] (LTE) is a letter sent to a publication about an issue of concern to the reader." A template with a name that needs disambiguation is a poorly-named template. --Rob Kelk 22:03, 11 October 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per Sdkb. * Pppery * it has begun... 19:46, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
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