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Template:Infobox roller derby club

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 04:28, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox roller derby club (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Singe use (despite being created in March 2015). Can be replaced with {{Infobox sports team}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:59, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Replace per nom. --Tom (LT) (talk) 05:24, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Replace then delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 03:57, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox FILA wrestling event

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The result of the discussion was keep separate. (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 04:31, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox FILA wrestling event (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Infobox professional wrestling event (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Infobox FILA wrestling event into Template:Infobox professional wrestling event.

No reason to differentiate between professional and amateur events, when it comes to an infobox.

Merging will make standard parameters available for amateur events, such as those for images, which, remarkably, the FILA template lacks.

{{Template:Infobox Wrestling event}} redirects to the pro template, and can be used as the name for the merged template.

Some of the parameter names that differ between the templates , such as |date=/ |dates= and |city=/|Host city=, are simply aliases. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:06, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Amateur and pro wrestling are two completely different things, this is even funny considering merging them together ! I'm OK merging this with another template if that covers team event winners (freestyle, Greco-Roman. women) but not this. Mohsen1248 (talk) 17:13, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Amateur and professional wrestling are wildly different, and these templates reflect that. Of the 30+ extra parameters from each template, only ~3 of them are commonly shared (date, city, venue). Prefall 17:56, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Not so; for example |Name= ==|name=; |lastevent= ==|previous=; |nextevent= ==|next=, etc. And note what I said about, for example, image parameters. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:58, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - I was referring to non-basic parameters. Chronology is formatted and handled differently on the professional wrestling template. There are four labelled tiers, indicating different types of events: lastevent, nextevent, lastevent2, nextevent2, event, lastevent3, nextevent3, event2, wwenevent1, wwenevent2. Compare these two templates on WrestleMania XXX and 2017 World Wrestling Championships. Prefall 20:36, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I'm leaning support as the only parameters needed to be merged are the 4 champion parameters. This can also be merged into {{Infobox sports competition event}} with only 2 parameters needed to be added. --Gonnym (talk) 18:07, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Amateur and professional wrestling are two entirely different things, amateur wrestling is a legitimate sport while professional wrestling is a form of entertainment. Merging infoboxes for these two vastly different entities makes no sense. --Mt.FijiBoiz (talk) 18:07, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Aside from the obvious difference between amateur (legitimate) and professional (scripted) wrestling, the merging doesn't make sense, because the latter has more labelled tiers regarding the chronology of the events than the former. Spacetium (talk) 22:12, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose vociferously Completely different areas of knowledge. One is a performing art, one is a athletic competition. Any similarities are the result of the performing art's conventions to mimic athletic competition as part of its milieu. Doesn't mean that they belong together at all. Like, this is really ill-thought and based purely on a checklist of parameters that are also common to dozens of other event infobox templates. Enough with the trying to merge everything: it's tedious. oknazevad (talk) 00:10, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - FILA wrestling is more "amateur wrestling", while professional wrestling an entirely different level of "wrestling". Hansen Sebastian^Talk 03:25, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I wonder of those "vociferously opposing" the merger of these templates on the grounds such as that they each cover "entirely different levels of wresting" would like to reflect on the fact that the FILA template is also used for Taekwondo championships? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:00, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Commnet. At least taekwondo is also an actual combat sport. Professional wrestling is not. It is a show, a scripted performance. If anything the pro wrestling event infobox template should be merged with a template for concerts or other performances. But there's no reason to merge it with anything. There's absolutely nothing wrong with having a template that only is used for one type of article. The idea that every infobox temples needs to be merged is misguided. oknazevad (talk) 16:19, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - "The idea that every infobox temples [sic] needs to be merged is misguided." Got any other straw men you'd like to slay? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:09, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    - Hardly a strawman when you're pattern of contributions over the years here makes it clear you actively look for templates to merge on the flimsiest of grounds. oknazevad (talk) 04:25, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      - Utterly a straw man; and now you're reduced to making a fallacious ad hominem attack. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:00, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        Taikwondo and professional wrestling aren't even close to the same thing. seriously, this would be a more likely merge to merge with {{infobox television show}}. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 11:56, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        Straw man. I never claimed that "Taikwondo and professional wrestling are the same thing". my point is that Taikwondo and FILA wrestling aren't even close to the same thing. Yet they manage to use the same template. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:28, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - appreciate in practical terms there is a lot of crossover between the two templates but I am uneasy about anything that risks blurring the lines between amateur and professional wrestling. McPhail (talk) 20:52, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- "in practical terms there is a lot of crossover between the two templates" Precisely. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:28, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose; if Battle of Agincourt and Henry V (play) were using separate infoboxes with similar parameters, would you propose merging them? No: you'd leave them alone or you'd propose merging them with other infoboxes in similar fields. This is basically the same thing; maybe we could expand the amateur-wrestling template to "infobox combat sport" or something of the sort (or merge with an existing template in that area if possible), but merging it with an infobox in a completely different concept of existence is absurd. If merger is needed, let's place the professionals with Shakespeare and war movies while putting the amateurs with boxing and taekwondo. Nyttend (talk) 02:00, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- WTF? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:28, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - there are several topics of professional wrestling events which are not covered in FILA events. FILA events usually consist of one match while one professional wrestling event often consists of multiple matches. There are many different parameters.--Mark Linton (talk) 15:23, 1 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Strongest of Opposes - So many incompatible parameters. Please tell me this is a joke. Either that, or the Nom is showing a complete lack of understanding on what professional "wrestling" actually is. GhostOfDanGurney (talk) 04:17, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox Russian city district

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The result of the discussion was Replace and delete. Ruslik_Zero 20:49, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Russian city district (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Articles about the city districts of Russia already use {{Infobox Russian district}}. Only one transclusion. eh bien mon prince (talk) 15:49, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Well, it has been previously nominated and kept, but here apparently nobody cares. If things will not be working with the new infobox (and the conclusion of the previous nomination was that they are not going to work), I will ping personally everybody who voted delete here, and you guys will be fixing them. Until everything has been fixed and works.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:56, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This template is being used only on one article, Tsentralny City District, Sochi. Even the other districts of Sochi are using the other template. How does it benefit anyone to keep it?--eh bien mon prince (talk) 16:30, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

When the template was nominated last time, there was also one article using it (to be exact, there were five, and the nominator removed it from four articles, including three districts of Sochi) immediately after the nomination). The argument was that a Russian city district is smth totally different from a Russian district, and as soon as we get more articles on city districts (which did not yet happen for a variety of reasons) the differences will become more explicit.--Ymblanter (talk) 16:36, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

But we did get more articles since the last nom, like Zheleznodorozhny City District, Novosibirsk, and they're all using IB Russian district.--eh bien mon prince (talk) 16:41, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The conclusion of the previous discussion was not that replacing this template "could not work"; it was simply "no consensus". Furthermore, the four replacements that were made at that point, almost four years ago, still use {{Infobox Russian district}}, without drama. We were told, in that discussion four years ago, that "there are several hundred city districts in Russia, all of which will ultimately have articles (and use this infobox)", and yet this template still has only a single transclusion. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:21, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, after substitution, as redundant. This is a wrapper for {{Infobox Russian district}} and a single-use wrapper is absolutely pointless. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:10, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Replace and delete per nom. --Tom (LT) (talk) 05:24, 25 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
replace then delete per nom Hhkohh (talk) 03:59, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox aqueduct

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Infobox bridge. Primefac (talk) 03:58, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox aqueduct (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 32 transclusions
Template:Infobox bridge (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages) - 4892 transclusions

Propose merging Template:Infobox aqueduct into Template:Infobox bridge.

An aqueduct is a type of bridge. The aqueduct template has only a handful of parameters that are not already in the bridge template, and most of those are for displaying a map, which is something articles on all types need to be able to display, and should do in a standard manner. Others are simply aliases (e.g |began= vs. |begin=). If the bridge template can have a discrete section specifically for railways using the bridge, then surely it can also do so for water conduits? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:04, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nomination. Waz⁸:T-C-E 03:10, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support. "Aqueduct" is overly specific and can be included in the more general "bridge" as described by the nominator. Yaris678 (talk) 11:53, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support; aqueducts are merely bridges that carry something not carried by other kinds of bridges. Nyttend (talk) 02:08, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Template:Infobox water ride

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2018 December 2. (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 05:59, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox_water_ride (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Template:Infobox_roller_coaster (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

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Template:Alpha Phi Omega National Presidents

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2018 December 3. Primefac (talk) 00:54, 3 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Alpha_Phi_Omega_National_Presidents (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

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Template:Uw-editfilter4im

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2018 December 2. (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 05:58, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Uw-editfilter4im (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

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Template:Pi Lambda Phi International Presidents

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The result of the discussion was delete. Primefac (talk) 03:57, 2 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Pi Lambda Phi International Presidents (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Very few live links. Not very useful as a navigational aid. --wooden superman 14:12, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

keep this navbox works well to me Hhkohh (talk) 14:08, 18 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It navigates three articles which are difficult to find among a vast sea of unlinked text. That is not a navbox working well by any stretch. --wooden superman 11:50, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Galobtter (pingó mió) 06:04, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:NENAN, after adding the contents as a list in the body of Pi Lambda Phi. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:11, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not useful for navigation --Aloneinthewild (talk) 14:41, 24 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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