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International Women’s Day Wikipedia Edit-a-Thon, Sunday, March 10

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The Oregon Jewish Museum and Center for Holocaust Education (OJMCHE), in partnership with social practice artist Shoshana Gugenheim and as part of the Art+Feminism Project, will host an International Women's Day Wikipedia Edit-a-thon to edit and/or create Wikipedia articles for Jewish women artists. The event will be held at the museum on Sunday, March 10 from 11am-3pm PDT. Pre-registration is preferred but not required. Members of the public are invited to come to the museum to learn about the editing process, its history, its impact, and how to do it. We aim to collaboratively edit/enter Jewish women artists into the canon. An experienced regional Wikipedian will provided will be on site to teach, support, and guide the process. Participants can select artists ahead of time or on site. Please visit this link to RSVP and the Wikipedia meetup page for more information. Thanks!

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DYK for Zig Jackson

On 31 March 2024, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Zig Jackson, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Zig Jackson is the first contemporary Native American photographer to be represented in the collections of the Library of Congress? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Zig Jackson. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Zig Jackson), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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New Pages Patrol newsletter April 2024

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New Page Review queue January to March 2024

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Guardian Force

Hello. I wasted many days of my life creating articles about video games just to see people attempt to get them deleted.

Guardian Force (video game) already has:

• A full old magazine review about it
• A review from Hardcore Gaming 101, maybe the most respected English-language retro gaming site
• A review of the compilation by Nintendo Life, a current major gaming site

And since it's in a new compilation, any sensible human being is able to tell right away if they just Google its name, they are gonna find even more mentions of it in recent news articles and reviews.

Still, someone who's on Wikipedia just to destroy our hard work added a deletion template to it anyway.

Please watch this article and make sure they won't delete it. I won't waste my time creating any other articles due to these editors. I suspect they don't even click on the references I spent days searching for on Archive.org and other sites.

If you have the time, please watch all the other articles I've created too. Thank you. -- Beqwk (talk) 01:43, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Beqwk, it appears Guardian Force (video game) was never nominated for deletion; an editor just added a {{notability}} template to the article (which was subsequently removed). That template will not cause an article to be deleted—for a description of how that can happen see Wikipedia:Deletion policy. New page reviewers have a massive backlog of articles to work through, and they may not always search for sources as thoroughly as they should. It's never a bad idea to add extra sources to more clearly establish notability, and fleshing out the article with additional details rather than just leaving it as a three-sentence stub would help as well. I'm not going to watchlist every one of your video game stubs, but feel free to drop me a message if any of them do get nominated for deletion. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 06:12, 16 August 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Praeterintention

Hi. I made the requested corrections. if that's not ok, can you tell me where? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Praeterintention regards. Joseph77237 (talk) 20:47, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Good morning. I have made the changes requested by various administrators. Is the form so simplified, enriched with clarifying examples, and shortened from the references to all the countries of the world, okay like this? On the content, however, there are no doubts: everything is 100% correct, I know the praeterintention very well (having done a university doctorate on it). Greetings. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Praeterintention. Joseph77237 (talk) 11:33, 24 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi Joseph77237. While the draft has definitely seen some improvement, there are still some major issues that need to be addressed. First, the quality of writing is still poor. It is clearly written by a non-native English speaker, and the style of writing is not encyclopedic. It contains a lot of legal jargon, but the concepts being expressed are unclear to a layman such as myself. Remember that this is an encyclopedia for a general audience and not a legal textbook or academic article.

Second, and perhaps more importantly, I am concerned that the draft contains original research, specifically synthesis of different published sources. Many of the sources in the draft are about a specific country or legal system, but the draft makes many generalized claims about the concept of preterintention that aren't specific to a particular country. Ideally, I would like to see sources that compare the concept in different countries in order to create a good encyclopedic overview; otherwise, the draft may need to be heavily revised in order to avoid original research. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 03:58, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

good morning.

For: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Praeterintention

if the content is judged to be original research, then I give up: there is nothing original: the sources are indicated in the note; his fellow administrators ordered to delete all references to other countries and so I did...so I worked on it for days and they made me delete it and certainly I will not abstain from time to redo the research: I am not schizophrenic yet. as for the language: I have given examples in brackets that anyone can digest... therefore I abandon the entry: administrator B) orders to delete references to all countries in the world; administrator A) orders that comparative reference be made to all countries in the world; administrator C) judges the entry to be the result of original research ignoring the sources indicated in the note;... evidently those who ignore that a stone is a diamond will always judge it to be a rock. I abandon my entry and my contribution to Wikipedia: there are no clear rules and there is no universal principle of trust: if I work to satisfy the parameters dictated by administrator B), then administrator A) cannot come and tell me to undo my work because it is all wrong; the law is a serious thing: the user must be provided with exact information, not nonsense.

Hi. Joseph77237 (talk) 05:46, 26 August 2024 (UTC)

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Huanyu Entertainment

Hi Lord Bolingbroke,

good to connect with you. I hope to learn lots from you.

Can I ask what's your strategy for pulling all the categories under Huanyu Entertainment category as I see the Chinese page has all the separate categories at the bottom of the page.

Thanks,

Heureuxl Heureuxl 16:40, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello Heureuxl, thanks for reaching out. The reason for this is that all of those broader categories are already present in Category:Huanyu Entertainment. If you have an eponymous category like this (i.e., a category that covers the exact same topic as an article), it is optional to include those broader categories. This is described at WP:CATMAIN if you'd like more info. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 16:57, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you @Lord Bolingbroke.

Also, I would like to ask you if Yang Le (businesswoman) page can be changed back to producer. She is a producer and still actively produces Chinese tv series. Like Yu Zheng, her company's co-founder, who is notably known for being a screenwriter but also the co-founder of Huanyu entertainment.

Thanks for reading this note.

Best,

Heureuxl 08:02, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

I have to ask Heureuxl, are you connected to Yang Le or Huanyu Entertainment in any way, or have you received payments to edit those articles? Some of the edits you've made to those pages seem to have a promotional tone. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 20:08, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Lord Bolingbroke

Thanks for the reply.

I am not connected to them. Some of the news I use to update articles, I paraphrased after searching online. I thought they are facts since I got them from secondary sources?

Heureuxl 22:57, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for confirming Heureuxl. To respond to your initial question, the sources that I've seen (at least from what I can tell through Google translate) seem to discuss Yang Le more in her capacity as CEO of Huanyu Entertainment rather than as a producer, so I'm inclined to leave the title as is. If you feel strongly, however, you can move the page back to Yang Le (producer). Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 20:42, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Lord Bolingbroke !

I just thought that as she was still doing a lot of producing, she should be credited as a producer instead of a businesswoman... but thanks for letting me know and thanks for being understanding. It's so good to hear all your explanations, helps me be a better contributor!! :)

Heureuxl 10:39, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

In regards to some of your edits having a promotional tone, consider this text you've added at Yang Le (businesswoman): [Yang Le] was recognized for her initiative, which focuses on nurturing young talent in the entertainment industry via Huanyu Entertainment strategic resources. This initiative has produced some of the most prominent figures in Chinese entertainment, including Bai Lu and Wu Jinyan, and is considered a major contribution to the sustainable development of the industry. This is not a neutral description of the award she received – it is unencyclopedic puffery that seems intended to promote her achievements rather than provide an unbiased description. Be careful about paraphrasing Chinese sources too closely, as many of them are not neutral due to ties to the CCP. The source you added for the sentence above, for example, is the state-run China News Service. Be extremely cautious about using these sources except for unambiguous staements of fact. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 21:02, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

Ah I see where you are coming from now, Lord Bolingbroke. I will be more cautious in my language. It's just that I tried to use similar words that the article was reporting (and I translated it using Google English)... But thank you for the tips, really appreciate it! Heureuxl 10:35, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Ulf Kahlert

@Lord Bolingbroke Thank you so much for your work. Cann you have a look on my new site and review it?

Thank you Sylvia Springer54 (talk) 16:07, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello Springer54, I've done a bit of cleanup on the page. I think notability is borderline, so I will leave it in the queue for another reviewer to take a look. Let me know if you have any questions. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 19:41, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help @Lord Bolingbroke Do you can recommend another reviewer do me? Should I reduce more references? What do you think?

Sylvia Springer54 (talk) 06:23, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

English Wikipedia has over 10,000 articles waiting to be reviewed. Be patient and a reviewer will get to it in due course. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 20:32, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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MOS:DAB

Hey I noticed a recent edit where you changed "ISFO may stand for:" -> "ISFO may refer to:", citing MOS:DAB. However, MOS:DAB (specifically MOS:DABINTRO) appears to support either variant, giving as an example "ABC may refer to:" or "ABC may stand for:". I actually think "refer to" sounds better, so I don't mind the change, but I thought I would share that the guideline you cited doesn't appear to prefer either usage. Photos of Japan (talk) 16:30, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Photos of Japan, thanks for the note. I missed the part of the guideline that also uses "may stand for" for acronyms. Either variant works just fine, "may refer to" is just what I was used to seeing on dab pages. No preference either way. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 16:51, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

9600

Resolved

 – User blocked per SPI. Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 20:16, 7 February 2025 (UTC)

Hey, this is swimminginbluewater. I created a new account called swimminginbluewaters because I forgot my password. It's hard to remember passwords at this point in time because so many other websites and social media keep history of every password I've used within the past 15 years or so and they won't let me use a password that I used 10 years ago, 12 years ago, 5 years ago, ect. I can't learn new ones all the time so I end up having to create new accounts on all sites and its a pain!

But anyway, the edits that I have made on some of the pages were mainly adding what day those centuries and years begin, such as 9600 for example. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=9600&oldid=1273852003 was the change that I made and it lets people know the its gonna be a year that will start on a Saturday and that its gonna also be a century leap year as well.

I basically had originally added that to the other information about the number 9600 may refer to: I added a "(see below)" so that the article/information about that year would be seen at the bottom of the number article.

The year 9600, in the 10th millennium. (see below) ATI Radeon 9600, a computer graphics card series The 9600 port NVIDIA GeForce 9600, a computer graphics card series Windows 8.1 build 9600, an operating system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swimminginbluewaters (talk • contribs) 06:25, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

Pages like 9600 are disambiguation pages – they're not articles, but rather serve as guides to different topics that could be referred to by the same search term. Your edit got reverted (for good reason) because you tried to convert the disambiguation page into an article without getting consensus for that change. 9600 is so far in the future that it really doesn't make sense to have an article about it. Do you really think it would be reasonable to have articles for random years thousands of years in the future just to tell readers what day they begin on? Lord Bolingbroke (talk) 07:12, 6 February 2025 (UTC)

027 - Page

Hey just wanting to specify the conflict of interest statement which resulted in the removal of the page. The text that I was inserting was written by Heather Freeman from Freeman Promotions. I hadn't added citations to her work yet as I am still new to the rules around Wikipedia. I have also added an article from Metal Injection which is one of the largest news outlets in the space which involved the bands most recent release. Thank you. Lavictoirec (talk) 19:24, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

Hi Lavictoirec, thank you for the message. All material on Wikipedia needs to be freely licensed – that means it needs to either be your own words, or material published under a license that is compatible with Wikipedia's licensing. See WP:COPYVIO for a full explanation. The text you added was removed because a) it is a copyright violation and b) it violates Wikipedia's policy against promotional content. All content on Wikipedia needs to be based on reliable sources, and it's generally discouraged to contribute to topics where you have a conflict of interest. I see that there is a draft for the band at Draft:027; I recommend that you work on that draft so that a reviwer can take a look at it before it's moved to article space. I know this is a lot of info to take in, so let me know if you have any questions. Zeibgeist (talk) 22:17, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

Quarry

Hi. These are the results of the quarry results of the quarry. I have not had time to analyse them fully yet as they do not appear to align with my original request. Please do not share them further for the moment. They were not obtained for the the purpose of an eventual project to tighten the qualifications for creating new articles in mainspace and cannot be used for that. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:47, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

I'll give it a perusal, thanks for the reply. Zeibgeist (talk) 03:29, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

@Zeibgeist The main purpose was to establish 1) the number of new pages created by Autoconfirmed users, 2) the number of new pages created by EC users. The sample period under investigation was the duration of the last backlog drive. It's a purely academic exercise because further tightening of the ability of new users to create articles directly in mainspace will violate this. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:34, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

@Kudpung: Thank you for the link. It looks like the specific wording on that page is that limiting article creation beyond autoconfrmed users "[is] not strictly prohibited, but ... likely to be declined unless special evidence can be presented to convince system administrators that the changes are necessary." If very strong consensus for restricting article creation to extended confirmed users was established through an RfC, it looks like the Foundation might be willing to accept it, but I think it's unlikely that broad consensus for this change would be established on enwiki (at least right now, although it might not hurt to start a discussion to test the waters). Zeibgeist (talk) 23:48, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

...special evidence.... I do not think the time is right for even a discussion. Even if the community came out in favour it would create more heat than light. The thread at WT:NPR has produced the information that is required for another project to reduce the flow of low quality and inappropriate new pages but while it's not directly concerned with NPP itself, it will make the lives of the NPPers a lot easier. WP:ACTRIAL and it's conclusion at WP:ACPERM - you don't get stronger community consensus on Wikipedia for any projects (do read them). They were proof of the WMF's 7-year stonewalling. To restrict to EC is a big ask, for one thing, the number of daily new pages is now only half what it was then and growth is still in decline. Such a request today will almost certainly be coldly refused by the Foundation. The only way it was brought off last time was due to the social capital of the project leaders and their threat to do it locally anyway through an edit filter. WP:KNPP was what broke the impasse. Since 2022 there has been a 100% turnover in senior WMF staff and relations with them are now probably the best since we got over 100 bugs and new features fixed by them for Curation in 2023. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:53, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

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Preterintention

Hi, Zeibgeist. Once upon a time, you draftified Preterintention, for very good reason, and dropped this message at the author's UTP. Now, it's back in main space, longer, and with all the same problems it had before, except way more of them. (I also dropped a message at WT:WikiProject Law about this.) Any idea of what can be done about the situation? Mathglot (talk) 08:23, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

@Mathglot: Thank you for your message. While the article has many sources, I'm concerned that much of the content is original research – many of the sources appear to not even use the term preterintention. While it does appear to be a notable legal concept, the article is such a mess of incomprehensible prose and original research that my inclination is to trim to a stub. The writing is so bad that it would be easier to rebuild the article from the ground up than try to rework anything. To be honest, I'm not completely opposed to taking the article to AfD to get more opinions on the sourcing; I really struggled to find English-language sources when I initially looked, but there are likely non-English sources that establish notability. Zeibgeist (talk) 00:02, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

Agreed, although I have not gone into the sources in depth yet. I did not want to bias your response by saying in advance, but what I had in mind was WP:TNT, so we are on the same wavelength. My first priority is to the encyclopedia, but given that this editor has made > 400 edits to the article (and continues to do so today), I would like to let him down as gently as possible.

That said, on the one hand, he is indeffed at it-wiki for sock evasion; and on the other, he is very responsive to criticism: I warned him for lack of edit summaries yesterday, probably because his English is poor and it is a great effort for him, and he immediately started using them. In my other post, I mostly complained about the lead sentence (here; yesterday @ 07:32) and since my post, he has 38 revisions at the article, and one of them greatly improved the lead sentence.

I had also wondered if Afd was even an option, as notability is obvious, but maybe as a venue to gather other opinions about TNT. Or raise a discussion at WP:WikiProject Law? I think it's fair to start with his talk page first, which is what I did with the "Problematic" post, but I am totally at a loss what to suggest to him as far as fixing the endemic problems at the article, as I can't very well expect him to greet TNT with a smile. Plus, with him being so responsive, it seems it is worth at least trying to get him to fix it, if it is within his capacity. An odd mix of CIR problems, and eager involvement, at least with his heart in the right place even if the results are sketchy. So, where to from here? I appreciate your thoughts and feedback on this, as I really don't know what to do, but things simply cannot go on like this. (Another time, I'll tell you about the French editor garbling an art history article here at en-wiki, and then standing by almost apologetically, while I got consensus at the Talk page to roll back 800 of his edits there. To say I was surprised, is an understatement.) Mathglot (talk) 01:57, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

@Mathglot: Your commitment to engaging with the article creator is admirable, but I have to admit that I'm not particularly optimistic they will be able to clean up the article in a satisfactory way. I'm not sure if you've seen the response to your message at WT:LAW, but there have been several other posts about the article: I created a thread in July last year, and asilvering created a thread several months later. If you look at the article talk page, there are even more editors who have pointed out the issues with the article. I'm confident that if we were to create a thread at the article talk page and ping the editors who have engaged with the article in the past, we would get consensus to stubify the article to something that is more neutral. This would definitely be harsh for the article creator; however, competence is required for editing Wikipedia, and I've seen enough to be convinced that the article creator doesn't have the English-language competence to be able to write good encyclopedic prose. Zeibgeist (talk) 02:29, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

You're right, I forgot to subscribe to the LAW post, so hadn't seen the response with the links, yet. I am sadly starting to come around that stubification may be inevitable. I think we owe it to him to give him a week or two, but that will probably fall out automatically by the amount of time to gain consensus at the article Talk, followed by Afd which I believe runs a week minimum, so there's two weeks probably. I don't have high hopes he will pull out a miracle, but at least that gives him a decent interval to try to improve it. But I think we both know where it will end up. Sigh. Btw, I am subscribed here, so ping not required. Mathglot (talk) 03:25, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

Once again, I commend your willingness to engage with this editor. I lost my patience when I was originally dealing with the article since the creator seemed to feel an ownership that made it difficult to engage collaboratively. I'm in no particular rush, but if there aren't some significant improvements in the next few days I'm inclined to ping the editors who've previously expressed concerns about the article to get consensus to trim it down. Realistically, I don't see any other way to address the OR conerns and borderline incomprehensible prose. Zeibgeist (talk) 04:29, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

We could trim it, but we could also TNT it at AfD. I think that would be the better option, honestly. -- asilvering (talk) 06:31, 4 May 2025 (UTC)

TNT was, and remains, my preferred route but I am on board with any of these options. I really tried to get him to budge (see this discussion on his UTP), but although he responds, it is very much IDHT, and he was non-responsive to my mentorship proposal @21:55. I think the end game is clear now, sadly.

One adjustment to my previous comment @01:57 regarding notability: I no longer think notability is "obvious". It may be notable, but likely does not qualify for stand-alone article, per WP:PAGEDECIDE. See Talk:Preterintention#Notability. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 19:33, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

I think it could plausibly be its own encyclopedia article (hence my AfC acceptance), but given that we only really have one contributor interested in working on it, and that contributor has an impossible case of IDHT... -- asilvering (talk) 19:39, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

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Panimur

I removed the source because the source is giving wrong information. The sources are non native and pls don't change it. This is from my place and the information given from the sources are wrong 2409:408A:8C9F:867:7224:7A0D:E973:F864 (talk) 23:46, 7 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello Mishimao, please make sure you are logged into your account. All content on Wikipedia needs to be verified by reliable sources, not based on the personal opinions of editors; whether or not you are a native of that particular region is irrelevant. If you think the source is incorrect, please provide a different source that verifies your changes or remove the incorrect info entirely. Removing a source and then changing the content based on your anecdotal experiences is not acceptable. Zeibgeist (talk) 01:19, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

Then we shall remove the entire thing, why allow misinformation from Assamese news outlets to be circulating here? Mishimao (talk) 07:37, 8 May 2025 (UTC)

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Susan Kare

Hello Zeibgeist, you may have seen that I reinstated the {{Improve images}} template on the Susan Kare article. I've tried to make it clear what I'm up to on the article's Talk page, though I thought it might be useful to also add some curtesy links (here, here, and here), if you're interested. The main idea is to try to encourage folks to help us improve the photos on BLPs (via WP:PICYOU). I'm also particularly interested in design and visual arts related subjects (where it can add meaningful context to show good examples of their work). Any help or advice welcome! Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 09:06, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi Cl3phact0, thank you for the explanation and the links to those discussions. I like the idea of asking article subjects to provide pictures of themselves, but I'd be curious to how often that actually happens as a result of the template being added. I could easily see this template languishing indefinitely on articles that already have adequate images. Zeibgeist (talk) 17:55, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

I'm certainly aware of the possibility that this effort amounts to nothing. There are a few others who are also pitching in with tweaks to the template and other subtle improvements here and there too. Let's give it a bit of time an see if there are tangible results. It costs nothing and may get something. I'm also closely monitoring the outcome, so if the conclusion is that this doesn't work, then by all means, let's not just let the template languish in abject inutility ad infinitum. Also, another related project which overlaps (to some degree) is WP:UBI, where the "Improve images" template has found its way onto a number of the examples shown (and I believe may have even resulted in at least a few successful "upgrades"). Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 19:13, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

​ Yes, definitely worth a trial run to see what the results are. Thanks again for the communication! Zeibgeist (talk) 23:18, 1 June 2025 (UTC)

RE/flex

Hello Zeibgeist,

I would like to contribute an additional argument in favor of restoring the article on RE/Flex. RE/Flex is currently the only actively maintained and fully-featured alternative to Flex, the well-known lexical analyzer generator. It is explicitly mentioned on the Flex Wikipedia page as a modern substitute that supports Unicode, which Flex does not.

Furthermore, while Flex can generate C++ code through flex++, its support is only partial—for instance, input buffer switching with C++ iostreams is not fully implemented. In contrast, RE/Flex offers complete and robust C++ support.

In this sense, RE/Flex can be seen as the modern successor to Flex, just as Flex once was to Lex. Given the foundational role that lexical analyzers like Lex and Flex have played in the history of computer programming, RE/Flex is of clear encyclopedic relevance.

Its growing user base, active maintenance, and significantly better performance benchmarks compared to Flex (in terms of both speed and Unicode support) further justify its relevance and notability. I believe these factors justify a dedicated Wikipedia article.

Best regards

Jihelgé1 (talk) 21:44, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

PS: I am a French computer scientist at CNRS, Sorbonne University and IRCAM, in real-time dedicated programming language, and I use RE/Flex in the implementation of my research projects (e.g. Antescofo). Jihelgé1 (talk) 21:44, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello Jihelgé1, I notice that this message is your first edit to Wikipedia. I'm curious how you became aware of the article's deletion? As noted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/RE/flex, you are welcome to request that the article be restored since the discussion was closed as a "soft delete". See the directions at WP:Requests for undeletion for more details. Zeibgeist (talk) 22:31, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

I learned about the page deletion in the notes of one of the latest RE/Flex releases. This isn't my first interaction with Wikimedia, but this time I opted for a non-anonymous login, but I'm still a “newbye”. Thanks for pointing me to WP:Requests for undeletion. Jihelgé1 (talk) 23:32, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Desmond O'Grady photo

Hi, I have sorted out the permissions for the photo of Desmond O'Grady and reuploaded it. - Wwallacee (talk) 10:12, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Thank you for following the proper procedure with VRTS. Zeibgeist (talk) 18:41, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Katz Drug Store

Hello @Zeibgeist! Back in August 2020 you tagged this article as being closely paraphrased. I've looked as well as I know how but I can't find a source. Can you point me in the right direction to see what you saw? I'll rectify it then. Cheers! Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 04:38, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi Oona Wikiwalker, thanks for following up on this! The URL of the source the article was originally paraphrased from is broken, but it looks like there is an archive at the Wayback Machine (see this version of the article for comparison). After re-reading, it looks like there is really only close paraphrasing in the first paragraph of the history section; not too egregious, but it could still use a bit of cleanup. Let me know if you have any questions! Zeibgeist (talk) 05:13, 26 July 2025 (UTC)

Articles of deletion

Hello, hope you're having a great day or night! I was wondering what the process is to withdraw my nomination for a deletion of an article? Nichin32 (talk) 19:37, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi Nichin32, it looks like you've figured it out, but thanks for your message! Zeibgeist (talk) 20:23, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

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Sourcing the St. John's Bridge in media

On the page for St. John's Bridge, I had put in two items about how it appears in a book and a TV show. You reverted it as unsourced. What would be needed as sources so it could be put back in?

There's maps in the books that show the Ghost Bridge physically matches it and shows its location where the actual bridge is located on the Willamette River, plus it's featured in promotional artwork for the upcoming film by Laika. As for the TV series, it appears in many of the episodes.

Let me know. Thanks. --RRabbit42 (talk) 18:16, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

Hi RRabbit42, as explained at MOS:POPCULT: "Cultural aspects of the subject should be included only if they are supported by reliable secondary or tertiary sources that discuss the subject's cultural impact in some depth. The mere appearance of the subject in a film, song, video game, television show, or the like is insufficient." The fact that the bridge simply appears in a piece of media is not considered sufficient reason to start an "in popular culture" section. If you can find secondary sources that discuss the use of the bridge in the book/TV show you mentioned, feel free to restore the material (promotional artwork from the studio is not a secondary source, to be clear). Let me know if you have any questions. Zeibgeist (talk) 18:44, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

DYK for Ames Shipbuilding and Drydock Company

On 16 August 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ames Shipbuilding and Drydock Company, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Ames Shipbuilding and Drydock Company employees participated in a walkout that precipitated the 1919 Seattle General Strike? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ames Shipbuilding and Drydock Company. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Ames Shipbuilding and Drydock Company), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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Alliance High School (Oregon)

Please Add to this article it is significantly lacking i am a student at this school and I would like a better article Kiba827 (talk) 02:56, 9 September 2025 (UTC)

I'd recommend you do it yourself, but seeing as how you seem to lack the ability to write with proper capitalization and punctuation I'm not sure that would be a good idea. Is there any specific information you think is missing? Zeibgeist (talk) 03:04, 9 September 2025 (UTC)

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Hi Clovermoss, thanks for reviewing my redirect. I'll take a look at this tomorrow! Zeibgeist (talk) 05:27, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

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Follow-up (curtesy link)

We recently discussed using the {{Improve images}} template (re: Susan Kare article photo), and along similar lines, I thought this might be of interest to you too: c:Commons:Permission requests (same issue, another approach). Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 06:51, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

Hi Cl3phact0, thanks for your message. I'm familiar with the permission requests process on Commons. Is there any specific reason you mention it? Zeibgeist (talk) 06:55, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

Oh, nothing beyond the context of the brief exchange we had here. From the Talk page of the project itself, I was under the impression that it was a relatively new, little known initiative. -- Cl3phact0 (talk) 07:05, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

​ After checking the c:Commons:Permission requests page again, I see that I was mixing it up with something else! Thanks for mentioning it, I'll keep that process in mind for future reference. Zeibgeist (talk) 07:19, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

More new chemistry articles

I dont think my recent articles came up during new article patrols: Wolfgang Beck, Ethylenediaminetriacetic acid, Sugar industry (disambiguation) ,Cyclopentylamine, Cyclobutylamine, 1,4,8,11-Tetraazaundecane, Metal complexes of diamines, Acyl fluorides, Perfluoroalkyl ether sulfonic acid,Transition metal complexes of hydrogen sulfide and hydrosulfide. Dig in!--Smokefoot (talk) 15:47, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

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I noticed on the article I created Joekels, that you previously made some small edits. The article has now been marked as AfD, and I was wondering if it would be possible for you to assist in the voting discussion to help keep it up, and help improve the article further, so that it can improve and avoid deletion. I'm not sure if this is correct protocol to follow here as I am pretty new to Wikipedia, but I thought I would give it a shot. Thanks in advance. Van1985 (talk) 08:36, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

I will take a look and respond at AfD. I don't think you've done anything inappropriate in this case, but please keep in mind WP:CANVASS for future discussions. Zeibgeist (talk) 19:30, 12 December 2025 (UTC)

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On 20 December 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Prime Inc., which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that American trucking company Prime Inc. sued Amazon over its use of the Amazon Prime logo? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Prime Inc.. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Prime Inc.), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to nominate it.

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columbia steel

what about the blast furnace in utah? You state that there was an obscure antitrust supreme court case, but no mention of the whole other half of the business? the coal and iron mine? ~2026-12696-93 (talk) 01:57, 4 March 2026 (UTC)