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More articles need proper attribution

@Lamp21, I'm glad you are creating articles on Thai culture. I believe English Wikipedia needs this and, personally, I welcome it. That's why I'm sad that proper credit is not given to the original Thai articles when content is copied from them. This breaks U.S. law. That means the articles either need to be credited the way my posts above describe or they will need to be deleted. Even if you copy content into the draft space, proper credit must be given. That content is saved in the draft history and the copyright of the authors needs to be respected, just like we need to respect your copyright. So please go back to these articles and take the steps to follow the law and save your articles.

• Phra Setthi Navagotta
• Phra Suea Mueang
• Phruttibas Brahmins
• Pu'an Yinsu
• Ratchakhru Wam Thep Muni
• Sihinganidāna
• Sihuhata
• Sundarīvāṇī
• Thae Inn Gu Sayadaw
• Wat Sing Sathit
• Draft:Leklai Stone
• Draft:Thao Hiranyaphanasura
• Draft:Vietnam Mendicant Sangha

Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 21:12, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

@Lamp21 great job crediting Phra Setthi Navagotta on its talk page! You are going to save your articles. YES!

Most people put the credit also in the edit summary immediately when they translate. If they forget (like I do), they make a dummy edit. They go into edit on the article and they just hit the space bar (I do it at the end of a heading or a paragraph). That space lets them make and edit summary. That's where they put "NOTE: Content in the edit of (take the timestamp of the version you translated FROM) was translated from the existing Thai Wikipedia article at th:Exact name of Thai article; see its history for attribution."

Something different goes in the Talk page. You can see it at Talk:Esther_Peter-Davis. If you go into the source code you can see how it's done. To get the numbers you see there, go into the history of any page. Click on any version. Look at the page address. The numbers at the end are what you want. We call that the "oldid." In the template at Esther Peter-Davis, "version" is the number of the version you translated FROM. "insertversion" is the number of the page you translated INTO and after you finish your edit, complete with edit summary, you get it from the page history.

I know this seems complicated at first. But you clearly are very intelligent; you have the capacity for this. You're going to make Wikipedia better and preserve Thai culture in a scary time. YES!

You can ping me by typing the @ character and picking my name. Please do that if you need help with this and I'll try my best. Oona Wikiwalker (talk) 22:27, 18 August 2025 (UTC)

Phra Somdet Wat Rakhang moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Phra Somdet Wat Rakhang. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability and it has too many problems of language or grammar. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit the draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:13, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

new article for Alubomulle Sumanasara Thero

Hi there Lamp21: You need to look at references for Alubomulle Sumanasara Thero what you copied from the JApanese article where there are "ref name=" multiple references, as what you have copied does not have the primary, expanded reference information. I don't have the skills to work this out properly because of the language issue with jp:アルボムッレ・スマナサーラ. Matilda Maniac (talk) 22:52, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

thank you, I will try to fix this Lamp21 (talk) 23:37, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

On LLMs

Hi Lamp21, please consider reading this Wikipedia:Large_language_models essay before starting another "expansion of the topic". It's not that we have to avoid LLMs "at all costs"; it's more about using them with skillful means. Some of your edits are indeed good, which I also find useful, but some are not as good. Sometimes, the articles from Thai Wiki, Myanmar Wiki, etc., have no sources; in other cases, the formatting is quite different from the English Wikipedia. Please also notice that tags like Template:AI-generated are now being added by other editors to many of the Wiki articles that you have edited. Thank you. Sappadasa (talk) 07:50, 25 October 2025 (UTC)

Please also notice that the calendar used in Myanmar (Myanmar Era) and Thailand (Thai calendar) differ from the English common era. Sappadasa (talk) 09:03, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

Hi Lamp21—I agree with Sappadasa, and really think you need to slow down. You are clearly not taking the proper time to review the edits that you've made using LLMs. To be very clear—this is disruptive editing. Can you take some time to acknowledge some of the concerns that others have raised on this talk page? Perryprog (talk) 17:36, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I'll try to avoid this and try to do a better job of reviewing edits so that the quality is to a higher standard and less frequent. Lamp21 (talk) 17:39, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

Alubomulle Sumanasara Thero moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Alubomulle Sumanasara Thero. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because this seems to be a minimally reviewed LLM translation. There are currently far too many primary sources (removing § Books will help with this—an indiscriminate listing of his books isn't necessary), as well as a number of references that just don't work, such as some that are links to anchors that don't exist, and notes that you never defined. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit the draft for review!" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. Perryprog (talk) 17:33, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hi Lamp21. Thank you for your work on Luang Pu Rod Phrommasaro. Another editor, Mariamnei, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

Thank you for your work on this article. Please add more sources and footnotes, as well as establish WP:Note. Thanks and have a great day!

To reply, leave a comment here and begin it with {{Re|Mariamnei}}. (Message delivered via the Page Curation tool, on behalf of the reviewer.)

Mariamnei (talk) 10:33, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hi Lamp21. Thank you for your work on Luang Pu Iam Pathomnam. Another editor, Mariamnei, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

Thank you for your work on this article. Please add more sources and footnotes to back up each claim. Please also establish WP:Note. Thanks and have a great day!

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Mariamnei (talk) 12:08, 3 November 2025 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hi Lamp21. Thank you for your work on Wat Tam Doi Ton. Another editor, Rosiestep, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

Hello. Please translate into English the titles for those references that are in a foreign language (use

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Rosiestep (talk) 22:44, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

thank you, I have edited this. Lamp21 (talk) 22:54, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

I have sent you a note about a page you started

Hi Lamp21. Thank you for your work on Nestorian Hymn of the Holy Trinity. Another editor, Ingratis, has reviewed it as part of new pages patrol and left the following comment:

Thanks for this article. To improve it, could you provide (a) a source for the English translation; and (b) a more specific link to the relevant location in Wikisource? Best wishes

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Ingratis (talk) 10:00, 14 November 2025 (UTC)

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Category:Thai occult has been nominated for renaming

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I realize now that I had made severe mistakes in my judgement in editing too fast and too often. I wanted to expand the information on Buddhism and Thai culture because I felt that the information on English wikipedia was too limited. Lamp21 (talk) 04:07, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

Why did you use LLMs? PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:12, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

I wanted to be able to work on as many articles as possible in the shortest amount of time due to time constraints in my personal life. To this end I incorporated LLMs into the writing because I felt it would be efficient while trying to go over the translations with fluent speakers of Japanese and Thai. I am willing to accept the consequences of my actions. Lamp21 (talk) 04:23, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

That was not a good decision. A lot of the material you added was not supported by reliable sources and was made up by the LLM. These edits were seriously disruptive and will have to be cleaned up.

While I understand your desire for enwiki to have more material on Thai subjects, as our coverage is limited, contributing material that you aren't sure is accurate and sourced to reliable sources is worse than not having anything, as it can mislead and lead to more inaccurate information. There are English sources on Thai and Japanese subjects, so if you don't understand those languages you could write about Thai and Japanese subjects based on English-language sources about them. Or whatever your language proficiency is.

If you would like to contribute again, I would advise you to accept your indef block, reflect on what you should have done during those several months, why your edits were disruptive, and read the WP:Standard offer. You then may be able to appeal several months from now if you convince others that you will not repeat this behavior, and then act like it. Do not use LLMs like this again. But do you see the reason this approach was a problem? PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:44, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

I see the reason why this was a problem. I intend to reflect on this for a year and not make use of LLMs in such a manner ever again.

I realize that this would cause problems for people whose job it is to clean up references and ensure informational reliability. Lamp21 (talk) 04:54, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

I think blocking indefinitely is too much for the user in question. He was improving and expanding the articles, not vandalizing. နေနီဝန်း (talk) 09:21, 8 December 2025 (UTC)

December 2025

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for persistently making disruptive edits.

If you believe that there are good reasons for being unblocked, please review Wikipedia's guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text to the bottom of your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Star Mississippi 03:57, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

(Non-administrator comment) Hi Lamp21, hopefully it's already obvious but please don't use AI/LLM/Chatbots to write an appeal (if you choose to appeal). AI-written appeals will be immediately declined - see WP:NICETRY. Blue Sonnet (talk) 13:03, 6 December 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Lamp21,

There were over 250 template notifications on your user talk page filling it up so I went back into your talk page history and rolled it back to the time when there was last a personal message to you. You can still find all of this information in the page history so I hope it was okay. It was just getting very difficult for other editors, especially those on mobile devices, to load your user talk page. I hope you are doing well, however you are spending your time these days. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:47, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

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Your draft article, Draft:Leklai Stone

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Your draft article, Draft:Maha ud

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Your draft article, Draft:Mangaladipani

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Your draft article, Draft:Vietnam Mendicant Sangha

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Your draft article, Draft:Shenchen Luga

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Your draft article, Draft:Cakkavaladipani

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Your draft article, Draft:Isigili Sutta

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Your draft article, Draft:Ariyavangsayana (Suk Nyanasamvara)

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Your draft article, Draft:Pán Huàng

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Your draft article, Draft:Luang Pho Chaem Inthachoto

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Your draft article, Draft:Phothan Ueam Katpunyo

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Your draft article, Draft:Khamphi Lop Phong

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Your draft article, Draft:Luang Pu Iam Suvannasaro

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Your draft article, Draft:Phruttibas Brahmins

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Your draft article, Draft:Wat Ratchasittharam

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Your draft article, Draft:Ok Abhatharo

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