User talk:HJ Mitchell/Archive 74
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The Signpost: 25 February 2013
- In the media: Ex-WMF trustee creates "Wikipedia Corporate Index" for PR agency
On 13 February 2013, PR Report, the German sister publication of PR Week, published an article announcing that PR agency Fleishman-Hillard was offering a new analysis tool enabling companies to assess their articles in the German-language Wikipedia: the Wikipedia Corporate Index (WCI).
- Recent research: Wikipedia not so novel after all, except to UK university lecturers
"Wikipedia and Encyclopedic Production" by Jeff Loveland (a historian of encyclopedias) and Joseph Reagle situates Wikipedia within the context of encyclopedic production historically, arguing that the features that many claim to be unique about Wikipedia actually have roots in encyclopedias of the past.
- News and notes: "Very lucky" Picture of the Year
The Wikimedia Commons 2012 Picture of the Year contest has ended, with the winner being Pair of Merops apiaster feeding, taken by Pierre Dalous. The picture shows a pair of European Bee-eaters in a mating ritual—the male bird (right) has tossed the wasp into the air, and he will eventually offer it to the female (left).
- Discussion report: Wikivoyage links; overcategorization
Current discussions include...
- Featured content: Blue birds be bouncin'
Six articles, three lists, and twelve images were promoted to "featured" status on the English Wikipedia this month.
- WikiProject report: How to measure a WikiProject's workload
How can we measure the challenges facing a project or determine a WikiProject's productivity? Several prominent projects have been doing it for years: WikiWork.
- Technology report: Wikidata development to be continued indefinitely
Wikimedia Germany (WMDE) this week committed itself to funding the Wikidata development team, ending fears that phase three would be abandoned.
A barnstar for you!
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The Admin's Barnstar |
| I, hereby give you this award for your contributions on admin related areas especially on page protection. Torreslfchero (talk) 13:55, 24 February 2013 (UTC) |
- Thank you, that's very kind. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:50, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Denial of semi-protection to Radical centrism site
Dear HJ: This may be like arguing with the umpire, but you do offer "A penny for your thoughts," so here goes: I do not agree with your reasoning in denying semi-protection to Radical centrism. You say that the semi-protction would be preemptive. But it is the same site that it's been since 2004: the same title, the same perspective, even some of the same content. It's just been cleaned up, revised, and expanded. Why should that make it less vulnerable to the same folks who've mangled it in the past? I mean, I hope you're right. But I don't see it, and I think it would be a gesture of respect to those who've done the massive improvement of the site to give them (Dr. Ernie and me) at least a three-month respite from cleaning up after the IP opinionators and hobby horse riders. Thanks for hearing me out. - Babel41 (talk) 20:39, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- I know where you're coming from, but we don't protect articles that have had problems in the past just because they've been cleaned up. If the problems resume, then by all means request protection again, but protection is necessarily a reactive measure, not a proactive one. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:55, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Edit war again on the article you protected
You may take a look here, where you have protected the page. Edit war and reverts continues, by User Prathambhu. He is already having a warning on constant reverts: User_talk:Prathambhu#February_2013
- It looks like Ged UK has dealt with it. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:55, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Unprotect File Not Found?
Hi HJ, would you mind unprotecting File Not Found? Consensus is clear at RfD, so I'd like to retarget it and close the discussion. If you still think the vandal from two years ago is a problem, it would probably be easier to semi-protect, or to ban or block the vandal. Thanks, BDD (talk) 18:38, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
- As I recall, blocking wasn't an option as it would have required a series of massive rangeblocks, but it was two years and several thousand protections ago. In any case, I doubt they'll be back and it would be easy enough to re-protect it if they are, so I've just unprotected it. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:07, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks! --BDD (talk) 17:18, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Oxford Meetup 4
Thank you for attending the third Oxford Meetup, and it was a pleasure meeting you. We hope to keep this as a regular event, every two months, on the first Sunday of the month (in order not to clash with London [second Sunday]). A page has been created about the fourth Oxford Meetup; please sign up if you think that you are able to attend - if the date or venue are unsuitable, please comment at its discussion page.
Please spread the word to anybody else who you think might be interested. The next UK meetup is London, 10 March 2013. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:05, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
On the Kevin matter
Your comments are fine and well-said. Thank you. — Hex (❝?!❞) 17:04, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
- I despair, both at ArbCom's "shoot first, change policy to justify it later" attitude and at all the wasted time an energy that has gone into this silly affair when it could have gone into writing an encyclopaedia. But thanks. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:26, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
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Four Award | |
| Congratulations! You have been awarded the Four Award for your work from beginning to end on British military intervention in the Sierra Leone Civil War. TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:08, 6 March 2013 (UTC) |
--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:08, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks, Tony! That's a pleasant surprise to open my talk page to! HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:13, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
The Signpost: 04 March 2013
- Op-ed: We must do more to turn readers into editors
Recently I was having a casual conversation with a friend, and he mentioned that he spent too many hours a day playing video games. I responded with a comment that I, too, spent way too much time on an activity of my own – Wikipedia. In an attempt to reply with a relevant remark, he offered something along the lines of: "So have you ever written anything?" After a second, I quickly answered yes, but I was still in shock over his question. It seemed to be rooted in a belief on his part that using Wikipedia meant just reading the articles, and that editing was something that someone, hypothetically, might do, but not really more likely than randomly counting to 7,744.
- News and notes: Outing of editor causes firestorm
"WP:OUTING", the normally little-noticed policy corner of the English Wikipedia that governs the release of editors' personal information, has suddenly been brought to wider attention after long-term contributor and featured article writer Cla68 was indefinitely blocked last week. This snowballed into several other blocks, a desysopping by ArbCom, and a request for arbitration.
- Featured content: Slow week for featured content
Three articles, six lists, and three pictures were promoted to "featured" status on the English Wikipedia this week, including the article on "Laura Secord", who was a Canadian heroine of the War of 1812 best known for warning the British of an impending American attack.
- WikiProject report: WikiProject Television Stations
This week, we tuned to WikiProject Television Stations, a project that dates back to March 2004. WikiProject Television Stations primarily focuses on local stations, national networks, television markets, and other topics related to television channels in North America, the Caribbean, and some Pacific countries. The project has a fair bit of work ahead of them with over 4,000 unassessed articles and only one Good Article out of 626 assessed articles, giving the project a relative WikiWork rating of 5.262.
your name has come up
This Month in GLAM: February 2013
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History of Gibraltar FAC
Hi Harry, just reminding you that you had spoken of giving History of Gibraltar a look over for its current FAC. Would you still be able to do this? Prioryman (talk) 08:41, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
- Of course. I'll have some comments for you by the end of the week. They'll be in one batch because I'll have to draft them offline and post them next time I get online. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 13:24, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
Protection of the List of best-selling singles
Hello!
I have just noticed that the one-year protection you gave the List of best-selling singles has expired.
Given that vandalism of the article still occurs semi-frequently despite the protection you put in place, I ask that you please renew the article's protection for an additional year.
Thank-you,
-Mαuri’96 “...over the Borderline” 19:18, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
- Wow. It only expired three days ago. I've renewed it for another year (I generally don't like indefinite protection and re-protecting it every 12 months plus a few days isn't too much of a problem). HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:43, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
The Signpost: 11 March 2013
- From the editor: Signpost–Wikizine merger
I am pleased to announce that the Signpost and Wikizine have reached an in-principle agreement that will see Wikizine published as a special Signpost section at the beginning of each month.
- News and notes: Finance committee updates
During March, three of the Wikimedia Foundation's grantmaking schemes on Meta will reach important crossroads, which will shape how both the editing communities and Wikimedia institutions handle the distribution of donors' money across the movement.
- Featured content: Batman, three birds and a Mercedes
Twelve articles, five lists, and eight pictures were promoted to "featured" status on the English Wikipedia this week, including an image of the Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG, a front-engine, 2-seat luxury grand tourer automobile developed by Mercedes-AMG.
- Arbitration report: Doncram case closes; arbitrator resigns
There are three open cases, and a final decision has been given in the Doncram case.
- WikiProject report: Setting a precedent
This week, we spent some time with WikiProject U.S. Supreme Court Cases.
- Technology report: Article Feedback reversal
The WMF has aborted a plan to deploy version 5 of the Article Feedback tool (AFTv5) rolled out to all English Wikipedia articles.
Re: British military intervention in the Sierra Leone Civil War
Congrats on the FA! --Another Believer (Talk) 14:39, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks very much. Very kind of you to stop by. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:53, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
Jew York
If I'm reading this correctly, you deleted (as vandalism) and create-protected Jew York. I'd like to redirect it to History of the Jews in New York City. It's mostly used as a anti-semitic term for NYC and Jews from NYC, so it could never possibly be a valid title for an article (unless the term itself is notable enough for an article in which case this should be a red-link). Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 23:53, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) I just glanced at the target article and did not see the phrase "Jew York" in it anywhere. Normally if a term is going to redirect to an article it is expected that the term is used somewhere in that article. While that is not a hard and fast rule I don't think an exception should be made for such an inflammatory term. If you can find reliable sources which discuss the term and use those sources to add content to the target article that is another story. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:33, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
- I deal with redirects alot. Inflammatory redirects are perkily normal. That's part of the reason their redirects instead of article titles. We even have Gaza Holocaust which survived three RFD's. "Gaza Holocaust" is about as inflammatory, offensive, non-neutral, and utterly ridiculous as you can get, but however stupid the term "Gaza Holocaust" is, it's a valid {{R from other name}} so it exists as a redirect. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 01:54, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
- The redirect has twice existed and twice been nominated for deletion (by two different editors) and then deleted (by two different admins, of which I'm the most recent), so it would seem that the existence of the redirect is controversial. As such, I'd rather see a consensus established that it's a valid redirect. Perhaps DRV or a retrospective RfD might be the best place to establish that? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:51, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
- I deal with redirects alot. Inflammatory redirects are perkily normal. That's part of the reason their redirects instead of article titles. We even have Gaza Holocaust which survived three RFD's. "Gaza Holocaust" is about as inflammatory, offensive, non-neutral, and utterly ridiculous as you can get, but however stupid the term "Gaza Holocaust" is, it's a valid {{R from other name}} so it exists as a redirect. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 01:54, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Restricted-use media list
An RfC that may interest you has been opened at MediaWiki talk:Bad image list#Restricted-use media list, so please come and include your opinion. – PAINE ELLSWORTH CLIMAX! 09:36, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
The Signpost: 18 March 2013
- News and notes: Resigning arbitrator slams Committee
Just two months into his second term as an arbitrator on the English Wikipedia, Coren resigned from the Committee with a blistering attack on his fellow arbitrators. At the heart of a strongly worded statement, posted both on his talk page and the arbitration notice board, was the claim that ArbCom has become politicised to the extent that "it can no longer do the job it was ostensibly elected for".
- WikiProject report: Making music
This week, we composed a tribute to WikiProject Composers. The project was created during the final hours of 2004 and finalized in early January 2005. It has grown to encompass over 8,000 pages, including 26 Featured Articles and 23 Good Articles. WikiProject Composers faces a difficult workload, with a relative WikiWork rating of 5.45.
- Interview: Meeting in the middle: Wikipedia and libraries
Ask librarians what they think about Wikipedia and you might get some interesting answers. Some will throw up their hands about the laziness of the Google generation and their overdependence on Wikipedia. Some see it as the "competition". And some will tell you it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.
- Featured content: Wikipedia stays warm
Nine articles, seven lists, eleven images, and one topic were promoted to "featured status" this week on the English Wikipedia.
- Arbitration report: Richard case closes
On Thursday, arbitrator Coren resigned, following closely on the heels of Hersfold's resignation on Wednesday. There are two open cases. A final decision has been given in the Richard case.
- Technology report: Visual Editor "on schedule"
The WMF's engineering report for January was published this week, giving an overview of all Foundation-sponsored technical operations in that month.
ReajewResThe, I took three letters from previous sections to make this one, anyway, happy editing
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Hello HJ Mitchell, Eduemoni has given you a shining smiling star! You see, these things promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the Shining Smiling Star whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or someone putting up with some stick at this time. Enjoy! Eduemoni↑talk↓ 15:56, 22 March 2013 (UTC) |
- Thank you. :) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:04, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
A-Class request
Hey Harry, how's it going? :) I wonder if you could do me a favour and look over D-Day naval deceptions? It's at A-Class review right now, but has only had one commentator... so I thought I would canvas for some more input :) --Errant (chat!) 23:40, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
- Hey Tom. I had a look at it earlier in the week and meant to post a review but I got sidetracked. I'll stop by the review in the week. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:05, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
OTRS FOP
Thanks for the OTRS note - somehow, I had thought FOP was slightly narrower, but I used this as an excuse to reread, and see it is clearly covered.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 01:33, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
- It is narrower on your side of the Pond, but it's pretty broad this side. :) Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:03, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
JAMA question
HJ, are you the admin who can give us access to articles in journals like JAMA? Malke 2010 (talk) 23:57, 22 March 2013 (UTC)
- I have no idea, so I'm going to go with "no". User:Ocaasi might be able to help you. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 11:08, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
- Thank you! Malke 2010 (talk) 23:10, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue LXXXIV, March 2013
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The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here.
If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 04:15, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
Ivor Ichikowitz
Hi HJ, hope that you're well. Following your advice I've updated the Ivor Ichikowitz article with the references that we discussed. Could you review the article and let me know whether it's up to scratch and ready for publication? Thanks Vivj2012 (talk) 16:07, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
- Of course, and nice to hear form you again. I'll have a look and get back to you in a few days if that's okay. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:36, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
The Signpost: 25 March 2013
- WikiProject report: The 'Burgh: WikiProject Pittsburgh
Our travels have brought us to Pittsburgh, the American city known for steelworks and bridges.
- Featured content: One and a half soursops
Seven articles, one list, six pictures, and one topic were promoted to "featured" status on the English Wikipedia this week.
- Arbitration report: Two open cases
This case, brought by Mark Arsten, was opened over a dispute over transgenderism topics that began off-wiki. The evidence phase was scheduled to close March 7, 2013, with a proposed decision due to be posted by March 29.
- News and notes: Sue Gardner to leave WMF; German Wikipedians spearhead another effort to close Wikinews
Sue Gardner, executive director of the Wikimedia Foundation since December 2007, has announced her plans to leave the position when a successor is recruited. Ranked as one of the most powerful woman in the world by Forbes magazine, Sue Gardner is widely associated with the rise of the Wikimedia movement as a major custodian of human knowledge and cultural products.
- Technology report: The Visual Editor: Where are we now, and where are we headed?
Since its inception in May 2011, the Foundation's Visual Editor project has grown to become one of its main focuses. As the project nears its two-year birthday, the Signpost caught up with Visual Editor project manager James Forrester to discuss the progress on the project.
- Recent research: "Ignore all rules" in deletions; anonymity and groupthink; how readers react when shown talk pages
A paper presented at last month's CSCW Conference observes that "Mass collaboration systems are often characterized as unstructured organizations lacking rule and order", yet Wikipedia has a well developed body of policies to support it as an organization.
Peter Penfold on hold
Hey. Just saw your comment about not having an internet connection at the moment. I have conducted a Good Article review of Peter Penfold and placed the article on hold. If you need more time to address the comments because of your lack of internet access just ping me on my talk page and let me know. - Shudde talk 03:14, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks very much. I've actually recently acquired his book and I've meaning to add to the article a little, but it'll take me a few days to get to it, so if you could leave the review open for a little while, I'd be very much obliged. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 14:55, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
- No problems, most of the comments are regarding sources and/or possible close paraphrasing. I certainly think the article has no problems with broadness. I'm happy to keep the review open longer than usual if you need. - Shudde talk 06:01, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
Your unprotection of Geoff Ramsey
I don't feel it was in the best interest of the article. No constructive edits happened because the subject hadn't done much noteworthy in the span of the article's protection. He rarely does. However because of his work with Rooster Teeth, making weekly video-based entertainment he's a common target for trolls. His article especially because of several images showing past vandalismExample:Imgur which incites a new wave of vandals. as you can see from the recent edits, many are the exact same as before page protection: most notably concerning his co-worker Gavin Free, see: In fact, there have only been one constructive IP edits since unprotection and that was in itself undoing vandalism.--Licourtrix (talk) 08:20, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
- Hi. I didn't unprotect it. I just replaced pending changes with semi-protection. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:26, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
The Signpost: 01 April 2013
- Special report: Who reads which Wikipedia?
The Wikimedia Foundation has released its latest report card for the movement's hundreds of sites. The WMF has published statistics about the sites since 2009, but only recently have these been expanded in scope and depth to provide a rich source of data for investigating the movement and the world it serves. Dutch-born Erik Zachte is the driver of the WMF's statistical output, and he writes that the report card and accompanying traffic statistics comprise "enough tables, bar charts and plots to keep you busy for a while".
- WikiProject report: Special: FAQs
This week's Report is dedicated to answering our readers' questions about WikiProjects. The following Frequently Asked Questions came from feedback at the WikiProject Report's talk page, the WikiProject Council's talk page, and from previous lists of FAQs.
- Featured content: What the ?
The Signpost interviewed prolific featured content creator and former Signpost "featured content" report writer Crisco 1492 about ? and Indonesian cinema. ? was the "Today's featured article" for 1 April 2013. 1 April is popularly known as April Fools' Day in many countries.
- News and notes: Grants given for Wikipedia Library, six others; April Fool's Day ructions
The first round of individual engagement grants (IEGs) have been awarded, disbursing about $55.6k (€42.7k) to seven applicants.
- Arbitration report: Three open cases
A case brought by Lecen involves several articles about former Argentinian president Juan Manuel de Rosas (1793–1877).
- Technology report: Wikidata phase 2 deployment timetable in doubt
Users of ten Wikipedias got access to phase 2 of Wikidata following its first rollout to production wikis.
List of sieges of Gibraltar
Just wanted to say, really good work on List of sieges of Gibraltar. Have you considered submitting it for assessment as a featured list? Miyagawa (talk) 19:35, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
- Hi, thanks. I was thinking about it and I'll get round to it at some point. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 20:57, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
List of sieges of Gibraltar
Your list of sieges of Gibraltar is pretty good - I've made a number of changes. Do you envisage it replacing the existing Siege of Gibraltar disambig page? Prioryman (talk) 22:17, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. I had meant to keep the prose to a summary of the various eras rather than a blow-by-blow of each siege, but your changes look good. My plan was to redirect the present dab to "List of sieges of Gibraltar". HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:21, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
- Hi Harry, saw your post on Prioryman's talk page. The list is looking good! I've also made some very minor tweaks, mainly adding links. Also thanks for helping with History of Gibraltar's FA nom. By the way are you aware of our Gib to-do list? --Gibmetal 77talk 2 me 23:30, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks very much. I removed the links to Europe, North Africa, and the centuries because most people are probably familiar with those concepts, but the rest were great (it's nice to have somebody who knows their way around the articles on the topic looking at it). I was vaguely aware of the list, I think JC pointed me to it while I was in Gib, but I'd forgotten about it so thanks for the reminder. I'm tackling Twelfth Siege of Gibraltar at the moment, so I took that off the list. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:21, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
- I've already written most of an article on that siege - see User:Prioryman/Twelfth Siege of Gibraltar. Is your version in userspace yet? If so it might be worth seeing if we can merge what we've done. Prioryman (talk) 19:17, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
- No probs. I am known to be a bit of an overlinker - sorry! Glad to see you're both working on the 12th siege, that red link was starting to bother me lol, but I already have too many drafts and very little time! --Gibmetal 77talk 2 me 20:14, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
- No apology necessary; I used to be an overlinker, but I think it was beaten out of me at FAC! ;) I've pasted my version to User:HJ/Twelfth Siege of Giibraltar (and should have fixed the typo while I was fiddling with the URL!); I didn't get very far, but if any of it's useful, help yourself. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:33, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
- No probs. I am known to be a bit of an overlinker - sorry! Glad to see you're both working on the 12th siege, that red link was starting to bother me lol, but I already have too many drafts and very little time! --Gibmetal 77talk 2 me 20:14, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
- I've already written most of an article on that siege - see User:Prioryman/Twelfth Siege of Gibraltar. Is your version in userspace yet? If so it might be worth seeing if we can merge what we've done. Prioryman (talk) 19:17, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks very much. I removed the links to Europe, North Africa, and the centuries because most people are probably familiar with those concepts, but the rest were great (it's nice to have somebody who knows their way around the articles on the topic looking at it). I was vaguely aware of the list, I think JC pointed me to it while I was in Gib, but I'd forgotten about it so thanks for the reminder. I'm tackling Twelfth Siege of Gibraltar at the moment, so I took that off the list. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:21, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
- OK, thanks Harry. FYI, I've nominated your article for DYK - see Template:Did you know nominations/List of sieges of Gibraltar. I'm going to be taking a short wikibreak over Easter but please keep an eye on the DYK nomination, and when the second review has been done (the first is already completed) you'll need to do the following: (1) In the nomination page, change "background-color: red" to "background-color: green" and "Second review required" to "Second review completed"; and (2) on T:TDYK, move the nomination from the "Gibraltar-related articles that are not yet fully approved for main page" into "Gibraltar-related articles that have been reviewed twice, and approved for main page". Prioryman (talk) 00:41, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. It's had its two reviews, so hopefully somebody will realise that, with dozens of DYKs and a slew of FAs between us, we're capable of writing/nominating an article that adheres to basic policy. ;) HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:38, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
- OK, thanks Harry. FYI, I've nominated your article for DYK - see Template:Did you know nominations/List of sieges of Gibraltar. I'm going to be taking a short wikibreak over Easter but please keep an eye on the DYK nomination, and when the second review has been done (the first is already completed) you'll need to do the following: (1) In the nomination page, change "background-color: red" to "background-color: green" and "Second review required" to "Second review completed"; and (2) on T:TDYK, move the nomination from the "Gibraltar-related articles that are not yet fully approved for main page" into "Gibraltar-related articles that have been reviewed twice, and approved for main page". Prioryman (talk) 00:41, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
- A quick update: I've moved Twelfth Siege of Gibraltar into article space and nominated it for a review here. Prioryman (talk) 14:43, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
- Nice work. I'd offer you a review, but since
the Spanish InquisitionDYK has yet to find me innocent of being part of some evil conspiracy, I best not. Still, you should put it up at GAN, and then MilHist ACR with a view to going to FAC. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:36, 6 April 2013 (UTC)- Good job guys! This is probably the one siege I knew least about, so I've learnt a couple of things today. I've added my two cents worth by way of links etc, but feel free to revert any if you think I've over done it :) --Gibmetal 77talk 2 me 20:06, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
- Shouldn't that be the Gibraltarian Inquisition, technically? Thanks for adding those links, let's see if we can fill in the red links... Prioryman (talk) 10:17, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
- Well nominating a Gibraltar article at DYK feels a bit like being a Protestant in mediaeval Spain. Though I am reminded of the quarrelling nobles of the eighth siege... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 10:28, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
- Shouldn't that be the Gibraltarian Inquisition, technically? Thanks for adding those links, let's see if we can fill in the red links... Prioryman (talk) 10:17, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
- Good job guys! This is probably the one siege I knew least about, so I've learnt a couple of things today. I've added my two cents worth by way of links etc, but feel free to revert any if you think I've over done it :) --Gibmetal 77talk 2 me 20:06, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
- Nice work. I'd offer you a review, but since
List of people who have been called a polymath
Hi, HJ. I saw your decline of the protection request for List of people who have been called a polymath—I'm sure you were quite right—but what struck me was, that of all ridiculous wikipedia "lists" I've seen, that's about the most ridiculous. I realise that's not your fault… but why do you suppose we have it? Just because ridiculous lists is what we do best? Or because it's a wonderful opportunity for 328 footnotes? Bishonen | talk 21:49, 7 April 2013 (UTC).
- P.S. Now 327 footnotes, I've removed one. I clicked lazily on number 328, and found the purported "reliable source" to be the person's own facebook page, where he calls himself a polymath (and where he refers happily to his presence on this prestigious Wikipedia list). I daren't click on another… suppose they're all similarly well-cited? I'd never get away. Bishonen | talk 21:56, 7 April 2013 (UTC).
- Hey Bish, always nice to hear from you. I think it's probably one of those good ideas that went horribly wrong somewhere, combined with "polymath" being one of those terms that people throw about willy-nilly these days. That's why I like lists with nice, clear scopes! The list could be useful if it were trimmed to the "original" polymaths—people like the ancient Greeks who discovered some of the founding principles of modern science/literature/etc, but as it is it's neither use nor ornament. But what I find even more amusing is that somebody has spent 18 months of their life waging a war to remove Steve Jobs from the list! I guess the devil finds work for idle hands... HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:09, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
Please review the facts before making attacks.
"18:37, 8 April 2013 HJ Mitchell (talk | contribs) . . (136,601 bytes) (-114) . . (Undid revision 549369175 by Adam Cuerden (talk) please don't drive-by tag; if you thinks something needs changing, take it to the talk page) (undo)" Further, my comment to the talk page was posted at 18:29, 8 minutes before you claimed there was nothing on the talk page int hat edit summary. . Please use facts. You may have thought the tag was inappropriate, but that was not the reason you gave in your edit summary - or anywhere else - at the time you removed it.
Further, you claim there was consensus against me at the time. There was no consensus at the time, as you claim - check the thread and the time of your reversion. There had only been one, or at most two, comments. (and, further, the consensus now is at least ambiguous, leaning supporting me)
If you really want to know what worried me, it's that Malleus might be edit-war reverting to support his strong pro-Thatcher POV. I didn't find evidence of that, happily, but while reviewing, noticed far more undos than seemed available to someone.
If I might suggest, I'm happy to drop this, but I do expect you to retract your claims. Adam Cuerden (talk) 00:04, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
- My, you do like to have the last word, don't you. I'm not interested in having a row with you, Adam, I have better things to do. I may not have realised that you had posted to the talk page, but an oversight on my part does not justify your conduct. As I said at ANEW, you could have engaged me here or at the talk page, but I'm getting the impression you would rather disingenuously claim the victim than talk this out like gentlemen. The consensus on the talk page was against you the second time you added the tag (you were bold, I reverted, and you reverted again while a consensus was forming that your edit was inappropriate); that's what was out of order, and that's what I take exception to. And now you haven't got your way, you're lashing out like a spited toddler having a temper tantrum. Please go and write an article or do something else constructive before you waste any more of my time. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:25, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
This Month in GLAM: March 2013
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Ivor Ichikowitz
Hi HJ. Sorry to hassle you again, but any feedback on the Ivor Ichikowitz article in my sandbox would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks Vivj2012 (talk) 07:21, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
- I've had a look, and it's in reasonable shape. You could certainly move it to mainspace and it would survive a deletion discussion, but I don't think you're making best use of the sources. There's a lot more in the sources (especially the offline articles you emailed me) that could go in the article. Obviously, you don't want to fill it full of padding like what he has for breakfast, but there's plenty written about how he got his start in business, why he does what he does, what he thinks of various issues in his field. I had a look for a decent article on a businessman that I could point to as an example, but I couldn't find one. I'll point you to a couple of biographical articles I wrote (but they're army officers, not businessmen) as examples of making best use of sources—Mike Jackson is a featured article, which gives you a idea of the sorts of things you'd include in a high-quality article, which you can scale down for a lower-profile subject; the article on Tim Cross might give you some inspiration for incorporating opinions and things into an article without getting too far way from what the subject is notable for.
Oh, and I formatted a few references for you. Try to avoid big clusters of references if you can—if something is covered n multiple sources, just stick with the one or two most reputable. If you need anything, just ask. I'm not always speedy with my replies and you might have to remind me once or twice, but I will get back to you. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:11, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
The Signpost: 08 April 2013
- Wikizine: WMF scales back feature after outcry
Numerous Wikimedia Commons editors have chimed in on the Wikimedia Foundation's deployment of a new feature to its mobile website. Allowing anonymous users to register and upload pictures for use in an article, the feature was placed prominently at the top of Wikipedia articles in multiple languages.
- WikiProject report: Earthshattering WikiProject Earthquakes
This week, we felt the world tremble in the presence of WikiProject Earthquakes. The project was started in May 2008 to deal with articles about earthquakes, aftershocks, seismology, seismologists, plate tectonics, and related articles. While the project has seen success building 14 Featured Articles, one A-class Article, and 21 Good Articles, a fairly heavy workload remains, with a relative WikiWork rating of 4.94. WikiProject Earthquakes maintains a portal, a list of open tasks, a popular pages listing, and an article alerts watchlist.
- News and notes: French intelligence agents threaten Wikimedia volunteer
Last Friday, the Wikimedia movement awoke to news that one of their number—Rémi Mathis, a French volunteer editor—had been summoned to the offices of the interior intelligence service DCRI and threatened with criminal charges and fines if he did not delete an article on the French Wikipedia about a radio station used by the French military.
- Arbitration report: Subject experts needed for Argentine History
The arbitration committee is looking for expertise in Argentina and the Spanish language for a case involving former Argentinean president Juan Manuel de Rosas (1793–1877).
- Featured content: Wikipedia loves poetry
Four articles and two pictures were promoted to "featured" status on the English Wikipedia this week.
- Technology report: Testing week
The deployment of phase 2 of Wikidata to the English Wikipedia, originally scheduled for 8 April but delayed due to technical problems, may be rescheduled again as the result of community resistance.
Ryback article (Ryan Reeves)
Please revert the update made my User: Ironcan regarding the Ryback_(wrestler) article. People like him have been making revisions to this article for future events that have not happened yet (like Ryback turning heel). This has not been established on WWE television and posting information like this does not keep with the standards set by Wikipedia. As I said previously on the talk page, this is only speculation until that character's position has been established on the show which probably won't be until April 15th edition of WWE Monday Night RAW.
Thank you for your assistance on this. 66.192.63.2 (talk) 11:24, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
DYK for List of sieges of Gibraltar
 | On 11 April 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article List of sieges of Gibraltar, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that there have been fourteen sieges of Gibraltar, making it one of the most fought-over places in Europe? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/List of sieges of Gibraltar. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page. |
A barnstar for you!
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The Original Barnstar |
| For writing List of sieges of Gibraltar :). Ironholds (talk) 22:26, 11 April 2013 (UTC) |
- Thanks mate, glad you liked it. There's an A-class review open and it'll probably be heading to FAC at some point if you wanted to comment. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:37, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
IP hopping vandal
Earlier today you blocked an IP hopping vandal that has been vandalising Howard Wolowitz for the past 3 days (19 times so far). I earlier requested pending changes be applied but this was rejected, with the suggestion that a rangeblock might be an option. The editor has continued to vandalise Howard Wolowitz using different IPs and at least one registered account despite blocks, (about 46 edits) so I was wondering what your recommendation might be. --AussieLegend (✉) 23:48, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
- Well, my instinct would be to semi it (less clicking for essentially the same result), but your friend seems to be using two small ranges (153.90.171.64/26 and 153.90.173.96/27), both of which I've blocked for a week. If the vandalism keeps coming, let me know—I can make the rangeblock bigger or protect the article, depending on whether it's the same guy and how busy the bigger range is. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 23:57, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for that. --AussieLegend (✉) 07:05, 12 April 2013 (UTC)
Gibraltar FL?
You thinking of nominating List of sieges of Gibraltar as a featured list nomination? It looks pretty good to go to me. SilverserenC 01:26, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. I'm putting it through its paces in an A-class review at MilHist first, then I'll probably take it to FLC assuming there are no major issues at the ACR. You're welcome to comment at the ACR if you like, or I can let you know when it goes up at FLC. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 09:04, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
The Signpost: 15 April 2013
- Op-ed: How do we fix RfA inactivity?
The RfA process is widely discussed here on the English Wikipedia and it has been well documented that less and less new Requests for adminship are being filed. There are an abundance of bytes devoted to the discussion and analysis of this situation and plenty of hands have been wrung over the matter. Various RfCs have attempted to find a way to fix the problem. Many proposals have been made offering solutions, some more potentially drastic than others, with the goal of making the changes necessary to kick–start RfA back into regular action. However, Wikipedia operates based on consensus and, to this point, there are have simply been too many disagreeing views for us to reach a consensus on how to increase RfA activity.
- WikiProject report: Unity in Diversity: South Africa
This week, we ventured to WikiProject South Africa. The project was started in February 2005 and is home to thirteen pieces of featured material, two A-class articles, and twenty-one good articles.
- News and notes: Another admin reform attempt flops
The most recent move to reform the requests for adminship process on the English Wikipedia has failed, after a complex and drawn-out three-step procedure for community input was subject to decreasing participation as time wore on and came up with no clear consensus.
- Featured content: The featured process swings into high gear
Four articles, twelve lists, and seven pictures were promoted to "featured" status on the English Wikipedia this week.
It's been nearly three weeks since your submission was reviewed. Do you think you'll be able to address the issues in the review soon? Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:28, 18 April 2013 (UTC)
- I'll get to it; I'm just struggling to get access to the Internet and availability of source material at the same time. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:18, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
- I'm happy to leave it on hold, although some idea on time-frame would be good. - Shudde talk 04:22, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
- I'll try to get through some of your comments before the end of the month (which is a little over a week away). Thanks, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:12, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
- I'm happy to leave it on hold, although some idea on time-frame would be good. - Shudde talk 04:22, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
Academic dress editathon
Hi, I have already provisionally added my name on (I am an FBS). I'll be in London that day but it depends if I need to get back to Birmingham sooner than planned. Charlie Huang 【遯卋山人】 23:49, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
- Wonderful! Hopefully we'll see you there. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:06, 22 April 2013 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue LXXXV, April 2013
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If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 15:39, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
The Signpost: 22 April 2013
- In the media: Wikipedia inaccurate, says Florence; New Wikipedia app for breaking news
An article by John Sweeney published on 22 April 2013 on scnow.com, the website of the Florence, South Carolina Morning News, reported that Florence city officials have taken to monitoring and correcting the Wikipedia article on their city.
- WikiProject report: WikiProject Editor Retention
This week, we spent some time with a project that develops tools and methods for improving the user experience in the hope that new users will continue editing the encyclopedia. The project was started in July 2012 and has grown to include 124 members. The project's members partner with the Teahouse and the Welcoming Committee to spread WikiLove, welcome new users, encourage civility, and other related activities.
- News and notes: Milan conference a mixed bag
The Wikimedia Conference is an annual meeting of the chapters to discuss their status and the organisational development of the Wikimedia movement. For the first time it included groups that wish to be considered for WMF affiliation as thematic organisations and one of the three groups that was recently affiliated as a user group. The conference was also attended by members of the Wikimedia Foundation's (WMF) Board of Trustees, the Funds Dissemination Committee (FDC), the WMF Affiliations Committee, and a representative of the Wikivoyage Association.
- Featured content: Batfish in the Red Sea
Nine articles, four lists, eight pictures, and one topic were promoted to "featured" status this week on the English Wikipedia.
- Arbitration report: Sexology case nears closure after stalling over topic ban
The Sexology case is nearing completion after arbitrators were unable to agree on a topic ban for one of the participants.
- Technology report: A flurry of deployments
On Monday, the English Wikipedia became the 12th wiki to be able to pull data from the central Wikidata.org repository, with other wikis scheduled to receive the update on Wednesday.
Milhist FA, A-Class and Peer Reviews January–March 2013
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| By order of the Military history WikiProject coordinators, for your good contributions to the WikiProject's Peer, A-Class and Featured Article reviews for the period January–March 2013, I am delighted to award you the Military history WikiProject award. Anotherclown (talk) 23:52, 27 April 2013 (UTC) |
The Signpost: 29 April 2013
- News and notes: Chapter furore over FDC knockbacks; First DC GLAM boot-camp
The Funds Dissemination Committee released its recommendations to the WMF board last Sunday. The news that the Hong Kong chapter's application for US$212K had failed was followed by a strongly worded resignation announcement by Deryck Chan on the public Wikimedia-l mailing-list.
- In the media: Wikipedia's sexism; Yuri Gadyukin hoax
On 24 April 2013, novelist Amanda Filipacchi published what turned out to be an influential op-ed in the New York Times; illuminating the unusual background of the Yuri Gadyukin hoax.
- Featured content: Wiki loves video games
Nine articles, three lists, three pictures, and one topic were promoted to "featured" this week.
- WikiProject report: Japanese WikiProject Baseball
This week, we traveled to the Japanese Wikipedia's WikiProject Baseball for perspectives from a version of Wikipedia that treats WikiProjects as their own unique namespace (プロジェクト:) independent of "Wikipedia:".
- Traffic report: Most popular Wikipedia articles
The WP:TOP25 and WP:5000 reports chronicle the most popular Wikipedia articles on a weekly basis.
- Arbitration report: Sexology closed; two open cases
The Sexology case closed shortly after publication with no changes.
- Recent research: Sentiment monitoring; UNESCO and systemic bias; and more
A report on an online service which was created to conduct real-time monitoring of Wikipedia articles of companies, and more.
- Technology report: New notifications system deployed across Wikipedia
This week saw the deployment of the Echo extension, also known as "notifications".
OTRS
Hi, when you recieved OTRS ticket:2013020610002011 for a deletion request by a representative for an image I ulploaded at commons did they provide a copyright registration number or year? I have since found more databases to search and have not found one. A similar request may come through for File:Nighthawks by Edward Hopper 1942.jpg from a rep claiming the copyright existed and was renewed in the tight window from 1969 to 1971 approx. The wife of the artist died 10 months after him, in 1968, and there seem to be no heirs that could have done such a renewal. I searched 1942 for an original and 1969 to 1971 for the renewal in documents found here: http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/cce/ If they request deletion could we ask for a renewal number? --Canoe1967 (talk) 04:26, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
University of Birmingham
Harry, I am looking for an image of the Poynting building at the University of Birmingham for the article on Mark Oliphant. Do you or anyone you know live anywhere near there? Hawkeye7 (talk) 03:45, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- I'm not a million miles from there but it's a bit out of the way and I don't have a camera. Let me pig a few people and I'll get back to you. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 19:57, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- You might be in luck. I'll let you know when I've got something for you. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:10, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
- Done - I've dropped a note on Hawkeye's page. --RexxS (talk) 20:05, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Mentioned on WP:AN
Hey, HJ Mitchell. I mentioned you on WP:AN at the Block of Guerrilla of the Renmin heading. Feel free to comment if you have anything to add. Thanks, --auburnpilot talk 19:37, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks for the note. I left a comment there, but I don't think there's anything else you could have done really. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:24, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
big violation
Someone made the page Waking the Cadaver (band) with the dab "(band)" just to get around naming the page Waking the Cadaver because that title is salted from being made due to them being a non notable band. Can you delete and salt the Waking the Cadaver (band) page so this sort of childish fandom can be put to rest, please? Not to mention the user that made this page was banned for socking. 69.225.135.97 (talk) 22:03, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
Oxford Meetup 5
Thank you for attending the fourth Oxford Meetup, and it was a pleasure meeting you. We have decided to hold the next Oxford meetup in one month's time, rather than two, so that it falls within Oxford term-time. A page has been created about the fifth Oxford Meetup; please sign up if you think that you are able to attend - if the date or venue are unsuitable, please comment at its discussion page.
Please spread the word to anybody else who you think might be interested. The next UK meetups are at: Glasgow; London; and Nottingham, all on 12 May 2013. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:48, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
New Article
Article written in a day! Health and Morals of Apprentices Act 1802 Woohooo! Now can you go and "fix" it.. or you know.. add commas or whatever you do.. =P P.S. Should it be commas or comma's? AhhhH! Staceydolxx (talk) 20:57, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
This Month in GLAM: April 2013
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The Signpost: 06 May 2013
- News and notes: Candidates nominating for Foundation elections; Looking ahead to Wikimania 2014
Although not yet in great numbers, candidates are coming forward for Wikimedia Foundation elections, which will be held from 1 to 15 June. The elections will fill vacancies in three categories, the most prominent of which will be the three community-elected seats on the ten-member Board of Trustees (or the first Board meeting after the election results are announced, if sooner). The current two-year terms for these trustee positions ends on 1 September.
- Technology report: Foundation successful in bid for larger Google subsidy
The Wikimedia Foundation will be receiving more than $100,000 worth of free developer time courtesy of internet giant Google, it was announced this week. The funds, allocated as part of Google's Summer of Code programme, will support up to 21 student developers through three months of coding time.
- Featured content: WikiCup update: full speed ahead!
May sees the beginning of Round 3 of the 2013 WikiCup, with 33 of the original 127 competitors remaining. ... six articles, ten pictures, and two portals were promoted to "featured" status on the English Wikipedia this week.
- In the media: New Wikipedia for Schools edition; Anders Behring Breivik's Wikipedia contributions
The SOS Children's Villages news service advised on 3 May 2013 that Wikipedia for Schools 2013 is nearly ready for release. ... On 26 April 2013, the Norwegian Broadcasting Corporation published an article reviewing Norwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik's edits to the English Wikipedia, where it revealed the name of Breivik's English Wikipedia account.
- WikiProject report: Earn $100 in cash... and a button!
This week's English Wikipedia project, WikiProject Biophysics, is home to several experts in their fields and a collaboration with the Biophysical Society. The project is hosting a contest through July 15 with six contributors winning $100 in cash and given the opportunity to attend the 2014 meeting of the Biophysical Society in San Francisco. Other strong entries will be awarded barnstars online and everyone who contributes can receive a physical button mailed out to them.
Drive proposal for June
FYI I've started a proposal for a drive in Jun here . Was hoping to get some more co-ord opinions before I look to implement this. If you are able to have a look I would be interested in your opinion. Thanks. Anotherclown (talk) 11:25, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Company Timelines
Hi HJ, Hope all is well with you. I'm looking to suggest the inclusion of a historical timeline to a company's Wikipedia article. My question is whether some of the significant historical dates, some of which are around the early 1900's, need to have a references to support them? I also have the added problem that some of these events are only corroborated by the company's website and I'm aware that citing this isn't good practice. It would be good to get your advice. Thanks Vivj2012 (talk) 11:53, 14 May 2013 (UTC)
Gibraltar sources update
Hi Harry, just letting you know that I haven't forgotten your request for page numbers from The environmental legacy of military operations. It's taken a while longer than I anticipated to get hold of it because it's not actually part of the British Library's stock - it has to be ordered from elsewhere through document supply - but it's arrived now and I should be able to look at it this evening.
You might also be interested to see the draft I'm working on at the moment - User:Prioryman/Fortifications of Gibraltar. I expect I'll be using some of your photos! I found a very useful map in the National Archives showing all the fortifications and numbers of guns as of 1859 - see File:1859 Gibraltar fortifications map.jpg. Prioryman (talk) 12:41, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- Rose's chapter in Environmental legacy is pages 95-121. I've added this to the article. Prioryman (talk) 16:51, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- You're my new favourite person! Thanks very much for sorting that. I owe you a pint. I'll take a look at that article later on—it's certainly a fascinating subject. I was lucky enough to spend a whole day exploring the tunnels while I was there, so there are lots of photos of them. There can't be a square inch of Gib that doesn't have a photo on Commons! Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:12, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- You'd be surprised! I've just had my mind blown (slightly) by my finding, in the British Library, a 400 page (!) book which covers each and every single one of Gibraltar's batteries, bastions, fortifications and walls in great detail, complete with lots of photos. There's masses of detail that we haven't covered yet. Watch this space! Prioryman (talk) 18:46, 15 May 2013 (UTC)
- You're my new favourite person! Thanks very much for sorting that. I owe you a pint. I'll take a look at that article later on—it's certainly a fascinating subject. I was lucky enough to spend a whole day exploring the tunnels while I was there, so there are lots of photos of them. There can't be a square inch of Gib that doesn't have a photo on Commons! Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:12, 15 May 2013 (UTC)