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The result was: promoted by HurricaneZeta(talk)04:09, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
... that after facing heresy charges, Charles Strong founded the Australian Church(pictured) and attracted many elite congregants—including a future prime minister?
Source: Maddox, Marion (2021a). "Introduction: Anthem for a new nation". In Maddox, Marion (ed.). Charles Strong's Australian Church and Christian Social Activism, 1885–1917. Melbourne: Melbourne University Publishing. doi:10.2307/jj.1176883. ISBN978-0-522-87789-2. OCLC1450106980. The Australian Church was then sixteen months old, having been founded on 11 November 1885 after Strong was obliged to leave his post as minister of Scots' Presbyterian Church under threat of a heresy trial.Maddox, Marion (2021b). "Middle-class radicalism in 'this fine new country': The Australian Church network's social activism". In Maddox, Marion (ed.). Charles Strong's Australian Church and Christian Social Activism, 1885–1917. Melbourne: Melbourne University Publishing. doi:10.2307/jj.1176883. ISBN978-0-522-87789-2. OCLC1450106980. Many members of this network occupied comfortable positions within Melbourne's emerging intellectual, political and business elite. While poverty often featured in Strong's sermons, it would have been far removed from the experience of the members of parliament, judges, businessmen, journalists, writers and editors, professors, surgeons and pastoralists, and their prosperous families, who populate the church's records.Brett, Judith (2021). "Alfred Deakin and Charles Strong". In Maddox, Marion (ed.). Charles Strong's Australian Church and Christian Social Activism, 1885–1917. Melbourne: Melbourne University Publishing. doi:10.2307/jj.1176883. ISBN978-0-522-87789-2. OCLC1450106980. In 1901 he became the new Commonwealth's first attorney-general, and he was three times Australia's prime minister in its unstable first decade before the consolidation of the two-party system in 1909–10...By 1895 he was attending Strong's church fairly regularly, often with his eldest daughter, Ivy, sometimes with other family members, sometimes alone. He did not formally join the church until 1896...
Overall: @MCE89: while "many elite congregants" is supported by the source, it is not explicitly stated in the article. The article does state "Other notable members of the church included the feminist and suffragist Vida Goldstein,[13] the politician and judge H. B. Higgins,[13] the journalist Alice Henry,[13] the entrepreneur Alfred Felton,[74] the pacifist Eleanor May Moore,[75] the politician Samuel Mauger,[76] the journalist and activist Henry Hyde Champion,[77] and the businessman Herbert Brookes.[78]"; however, it could be argued about whether the persons named constitutes "many". I would suggest editing that sentence to make the many and elite bits explicit, something along the lines of "The church attracted many of Melbourne's intellectual, political and business elite, included feminist and suffragist Vida Goldstein,[13] politician and judge H. B. Higgins,[13] journalist Alice Henry,[13] entrepreneur Alfred Felton,[74] pacifist Eleanor May Moore,[75] politician Samuel Mauger,[76] journalist and activist Henry Hyde Champion,[77] and businessman Herbert Brookes.[78]". However, you choose to word it, give me a ping when you're done and I'll approve the nomination. TarnishedPathtalk 11:20, 1 November 2025 (UTC)
Thanks @TarnishedPath! Fair point — I was basing it on the earlier paragraph that says The Australian Church's membership was dominated by educated, middle-class professionals, many of whom were influential members of Australian society, but agree that it makes sense to make the "elites" claim more explicit. Added in that later spot per your suggestion. MCE89 (talk) 11:31, 1 November 2025 (UTC)
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@MCE89: while "many elite congregants" is supported by the source, it is not explicitly stated in the article. The article does state "Other notable members of the church included the feminist and suffragist Vida Goldstein,[13] the politician and judge H. B. Higgins,[13] the journalist Alice Henry,[13] the entrepreneur Alfred Felton,[74] the pacifist Eleanor May Moore,[75] the politician Samuel Mauger,[76] the journalist and activist Henry Hyde Champion,[77] and the businessman Herbert Brookes.[78]"; however, it could be argued about whether the persons named constitutes "many".
TarnishedPathtalk 12:10, 1 November 2025 (UTC)