Talk:The Gene: An Intimate History

Requested move 9 September 2018

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Not moved. Consensus is clearly in opposition to the proposed move. bd2412 T 17:48, 19 September 2018 (UTC)

The Gene: An Intimate History → The GeneThe Gene – Per WP:SUBTITLE. 142.160.89.97 (talk) 00:32, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Hhkohh (talk) 01:11, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose Seems a common name Hhkohh (talk) 01:11, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

@Hhkohh: How do you reconcile your position with our book-specific guideline, WP:SUBTITLE, which states:

Usually, a Wikipedia article on a book (or other medium, such as a movie, TV special or video game) does not include its subtitle in the Wikipedia page name, per WP:CONCISE. The only exception to that is short article titles, for disambiguation purposes.

142.160.89.97 (talk) 01:07, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

WP:SUBTITLE is not a policy, just a guideline, see also WP:COMMONNAME and other related policy Hhkohh (talk) 09:38, 11 September 2018 (UTC)

• Support I see no issue with the requested move, and it abides by the given guideline. -- Alex^TW 03:38, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose the primary topic for The Gene should be Gene. power~enwiki (π, ν) 04:41, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

@Power~enwiki: How do you reconcile that position with WP:SMALLDETAILS? 142.160.89.97 (talk) 05:14, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose - continuing on from what Power~enwiki said, I actually think that "The Gene" should maybe be a disambiguation page with at least this page, Gene and The Selfish Gene. I also don't see how the proposed title offers better clearity than the current one. Also, just because 142.160.89.97 keeps on asking - WP:IAR for WP:SMALLDETAILS. --Gonnym (talk) 10:07, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

@Gonnym: If this is per WP:IAR, on what basis are you arguing this circumstance to be exceptional, such that it wouldn't have been specifically taken into account in the drafting of WP:SMALLDETAILS? Because if it is not exceptional in any way, to merely disregard a central consensus because we disagree with it would be in violation of WP:CONLEVEL. 142.160.89.97 (talk) 18:30, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

Please don't make up rules to a policy. WP:IAR does not ask that. Also, no. I don't think it was taken into account while drafting WP:SMALLDETAILS, as I've learned from experience that a lot of editors prefer to have guidelines and polices as bare as possible so the "spirit" of Wikipedia could be persevered and we'll have to hash the same things on a case-by-case basis each time. --Gonnym (talk) 20:21, 9 September 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose cited guideline does not apply as disambiguation and long title are clearly beneficial to readers here, and in cases without (book) WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT works for short titles. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:31, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

PBS documentary

This should have its own page, as its distinct from the book. Mukherjee's The Emperor of All Maladies and Ken Burns's Cancer have separate pages. So should Mukherjee's book and Ken Burns's The Gene (2020). Charlie Faust (talk) 02:41, 17 December 2025 (UTC)