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"Fascist" comes up in the search box - NPOV violation?
editWhen I enter "Simcha Rothman" in the Wikipedia searchbox, the "splash" text that comes up is "Israeli fascist, lawyer and politician". While I personally agree with this description, I do not believe that it adheres to Wikipedia's neutrality standards.
The article text itself appears to be OK.
Don Radlauer (talk) 07:48, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
UPDATE: Someone is actively editing the page - now "fascist" is part of the article text as well. I'm going to reverse that change, but I think we need someone to step in and lock the page so we don't get into an editing war. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Don Radlauer (talk • contribs) 08:20, 12 July 2023 (UTC)
Its correct to refer to him as far right. Media has described both him and his party as far right. Fascist is a word rarely used to as anything other than an insult, so should be avoided.ItsRainingCatsAndDogsAndMen (talk) 05:36, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
Time-travelers
editThe current text, Rothman was born into a family that had immigrated to Israel from Cleveland in the United States in the early 20th century has the problem that there was no such nation in the early 20th century (Israel, I mean. The United States does predate that, unless I've been being lied to.) While there is an argument to be made for saying the Land of Israel, it's probably better NPOV-wise to say Palestine. I'm avoiding doing direct article edits at this time, but I encourage others to review the concern and edit appropriately. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 14:24, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- Done, though it's still annoyingly unclear - could have been Ottoman or Mandatory Palestine, but the source is too vague to say which one. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:51, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah, all the source really gives us is "not Cleveland". -- Nat Gertler (talk) 14:58, 13 July 2023 (UTC)
- Source says made aliyah i.e. returned to the land of Israel. There's no mention of any Palestine so that's a speculative addition. Given the dominant use of the term Palestine these days it is also very much not NPOV! If more historical information is ever published then this could be adjusted e.g. Syria vilayet aka Vilayet of Damascus, Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem, or yes possibly British Mandatory Palestine if it was 1920 - remember, the source saying Rothman's family made aliyah more than a century ago was a 2021 piece (2021-100=1921). 121.45.155.47 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 09:03, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- Aliyah speaks of the general movement of Jews. It does not mean that his lineage had ever actually been in the area. And our statement that his family had moved there by 1921, while sourced, is dubious in its implication. As the subject was not born until 1980, we're likely talking about multiple generations since that relocation. Unless there was a carefully maintained Clevelandtown district, it seems rather likely that only some of his lineage passed through Cleveland. We should keep our eyes open for sources that would clarify this lineage. -- Nat Gertler (talk) 18:14, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
- Source says made aliyah i.e. returned to the land of Israel. There's no mention of any Palestine so that's a speculative addition. Given the dominant use of the term Palestine these days it is also very much not NPOV! If more historical information is ever published then this could be adjusted e.g. Syria vilayet aka Vilayet of Damascus, Mutasarrifate of Jerusalem, or yes possibly British Mandatory Palestine if it was 1920 - remember, the source saying Rothman's family made aliyah more than a century ago was a 2021 piece (2021-100=1921). 121.45.155.47 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 09:03, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, all the source really gives us is "not Cleveland". -- Nat Gertler (talk) 14:58, 13 July 2023 (UTC)