Talk:Roekiah

Gagak Item / Gagak Hitam

Just to let you know that I have changed a link from Gagam Hitam to Gagak Item, since the latter is the predominant spelling; besides, the former spelling produces a red link.

Sources using Gagak Item

• "Gagak Item". Bataviaasch Nieuwsblad (in Dutch). Batavia: Kolff & Co. 19 December 1939. p. 3. Retrieved 8 March 2013.
• "(untitled)". Bataviaasch Nieuwsblad (in Dutch). Batavia: Kolff & Co. 19 December 1939. p. 8. Retrieved 8 March 2013.
• "Filmaankondiging Cinema Palace: 'Gagak Item'". Bataviaasch Nieuwsblad (in Dutch). Batavia: Kolff & Co. 21 December 1939. p. 12. Retrieved 8 March 2013. {{cite news}}: Unknown parameter |trans_title= ignored (|trans-title= suggested) (help)
• "(untitled)". Soerabaijasch Handelsblad (in Dutch). Surabaya: Kolff & Co. 28 March 1940. p. 3. Retrieved 8 March 2013.
• Imanjaya, Ekky (2006). A to Z About Indonesian Film (in Indonesian). Bandung: Mizan. p. 111. ISBN 978-979-752-367-1. Retrieved 8 March 2013.
• "Kartolo". filmindonesia.or.id (in Indonesian). Konfidan Foundation. Archived from the original on 22 September 2012. Retrieved 8 March 2013. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
• "Gagak Item". filmindonesia.or.id (in Indonesian). Jakarta: Konfiden Foundation. Archived from the original on 4 March 2013. Retrieved 8 March 2013. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
• "Roekiah". Internet Movie Database. Amazon.com. Retrieved 8 March 2013.

Sources using Gagak Hitam

• "Roekiah". filmindonesia.or.id (in Indonesian). Konfidan Foundation. Archived from the original on 13 August 2012. Retrieved 8 March 2013. {{cite web}}: Unknown parameter |deadurl= ignored (|url-status= suggested) (help)
• "Roekiah" (in Indonesian). Taman Ismail Marzuki. Archived from the original on 13 August 2012. Retrieved 8 March 2013.

Note that the earliest sources, in Dutch, use Gagak Item. Nite-Sirk (talk) 18:30, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

• D'oh! Should have double checked the spelling. Thanks for catching that. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:04, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

• (Particularly embarrassing as I wrote both...) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:06, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Nationality

The article says she was an "Indonesian kroncong singer and film actress". Wouldn't it be better to call her an Indian (I'm not that good at English, doesn't Indian only mean native American) singer? It was only until 1949 that Indonesia got acknowledged as a country. FeyBart (talk) 19:28, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

I should explain: these days, if you say someone is "Indian", that means they are from India. As you may already know, when Christopher Columbus discovered what we now call the West Indies (part of the "New World"), he believed it was part of India, and therefore he thought that the inhabitants were Indians. The name "Indian" kind of stuck after that, which is why for man years the natives of the Americas were called Indians, even though of course they weren't actually from India. These days we say "Native Americans" or "Amerindians". And this lady is from Bandung, West Java. That was then part of what was known as the "Dutch East Indies" and what we would now call Indonesia. Actually "Indonesia" is a name which actually goes as far back as 1850. I think we have to call this lady Indonesian in the introduction for clarity. Immediately after the intro comes the biography which explains exactly where she was born. Invertzoo (talk) 21:02, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

• Thanks, Invertzoo. That's what I was going for. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:24, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

While we're on the subject of "Indonesian", there was an addition to the IB to add that as her ethnicity, I'm not sure Indonesian classifies as an ethnicity, but thought I'd leave it to those with a better grasp to make the call. - SchroCat (talk) 05:58, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

• Sorry I missed this. No, definitely a no go. Her ethnicity was mixed Sundanese and Malay. Indonesian was her nationality for the x months she lived past the proclamation (if we go with the 1945 independence date) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:27, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

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