Talk:Noble Eightfold Path
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Samadhi is not meditation as the article claims but
editthe word is sadhana 2A02:6B6F:E7C9:7000:C879:3D6F:4AC1:6AAB (talk) 21:51, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
Phrasing not supported by cited references.
editI’ve noticed some repetition in the article, as well as phrasing that may not be fully supported by the cited references. I’ve made some initial edits to address this. If there are concerns or disagreements, it would be great to discuss them here rather than reverting the changes.
Wording and sourcing clarification
editHi, I noticed my recent edit to the lead was reverted with the comment “less clear.” I was aiming to improve clarity and flow—could you let me know which part felt less clear? I’d be happy to revise it.
I also had a question about the paragraph beginning “In early Buddhism, these practices…”. The phrasing that the body–mind “works in a corrupted way” seemed unclear to me, and I wasn’t able to find that wording in the cited source (Vetter, 1988). Would it be possible to clarify or adjust the wording to better reflect the source?
More generally, I wonder if the description of insight (wisdom) in that paragraph could use clarification, as my understanding is that it is already present in early discourses. I’d be glad to help refine this with appropriate sources.
Nandinik (talk) 22:51, 2 May 2026 (UTC)
- @Nandinik: regarding your edit diff, which changed
is an early summary of the path of Buddhist practices leading to liberation from samsara, the painful cycle of rebirth,[1][2] in the form of nirvana.[3][4]
- into
is a summary of Buddhist practices leading to liberation from suffering from the cycle of birth and rebirth,[1][2] in samsara, to reach nirvana or the ‘end of suffering.’[3][4][5]
References
- 1 2 Gethin 1998, pp. 81–83.
- 1 2 Anderson 2013, pp. 64–65.
- 1 2 Lopez 2009, p. 136–137.
- 1 2 Stephen J. Laumakis (2008). An Introduction to Buddhist Philosophy. Cambridge University Press. pp. 150–151. ISBN 978-1-139-46966-1.
- ↑ Cite error: The named reference
BBodhi_NEPwas invoked but never defined (see the help page).
- Why the removal of "early"?
- It's either "liberation from samsara" or "liberation from suffering [in the cycle of rebirth", but "liberation from suffering from the cycle of birth and rebirth" is weird;
- So is "in samsara"; samsara is the cycle of rebirth;
- "nirvana" is not a synonym for 'the end of suffering'; nirvana is the 'blowing-out' of craving etc.
- Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 03:08, 4 May 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for the feedback. I agree that my previous phrasing introduced some ambiguity (e.g., the repetition of the word “from”), so it makes sense to revise that.
- On “early,” my thought was that it might be unnecessary in the lead since the Noble Eightfold Path is presented consistently across sources.
- Regarding nirvana, I agree it is often described as the “blowing-out” of craving, etc.; at the same time, many sources also relate it to the cessation of suffering.
- So, would something like the following work?
References
- ↑ Gethin 1998, pp. 81–83.
- ↑ Anderson 2013, pp. 64–65.
- ↑ Lopez 2009, p. 136–137.
- ↑ Stephen J. Laumakis (2008). An Introduction to Buddhist Philosophy. Cambridge University Press. pp. 150–151. ISBN 978-1-139-46966-1.
- Separately, I had a question about the paragraph beginning “In early Buddhism, these practices…”. Regarding the phrasing that the body–mind “works in a corrupted way (right view)” – I wasn’t able to find that wording in the cited source (Vetter, 1988). Nandinik (talk) 23:42, 4 May 2026 (UTC)