Talk:Nicholas Tse

NPOV disputed

Article is very BIASED!
—Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.158.43.162 (talk • contribs) 02:32, 2006 July 18

How so? Please elaborate on how this article is biased and/or be bold and make the changes yourself.
—Asatruer 14:17, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup

I thought this article was a mess, and have started cleaning it up. At present, it resembles a fansite: - most obviously with usages of "Nic" and Nicholas" instead of the more neutral "Tse", excessive really minute trivia of little biographical interest (so what if he smokes!). Although I've removed some of the trivia, there are still plenty there, so I've tagged it as such. I note that there has been some reverting going on, so I'll leave the changes for now pending more feedback. Ohconfucius (talk) 03:01, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

• Now considerably tidied up. I have rearranged the sections, putting personal and professional first. Controversies are now integrated into personal. Furthermore, I have removed some stuff which is far too trivial to be in an encyclopaedia article, although I have left some other trivia until a place can be found for it with other material. I have removed the detailed song-list, which I consider was cluttering up the article. Editors could consider putting this song list into the discography section, or working some of the more important songs along with some descriptive prose, if they believe the songs to be sufficiently important within the context of his career or this article. Ohconfucius (talk) 04:59, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I did a couple big rounds of cleanup. Benjwong (talk) 05:43, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Removed contents

I have moved the Trivia and Hobbies section out. Most of the material here are difficult to find references for. Also the 2003 and 2005 motor incident does not seem to have any reliable references. Can anyone confirm it with sources that do not belong in blogs etc? Benjwong (talk) 05:43, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Hobbies and habits

His hobbies include gaming, biking, soccer; Tse is trained in WingTsun (詠春) and has starred in numerous action based films. He also collects guitars and exotic pets including echidnas, turtles and lizards, and has been known to have weird pass-times (including playing with a cockroach), noted in Mani's autobiography. Around October 2007 Tse lost one of his most precious pets, a female Brazilian turtle stolen after a pet exhibition in Hong Kong.

He has a liking for Chrome Hearts accessories, and has at least one piercing in each ear. Tse has been photographed several times revealing a tattoo on his lower back, quite similar to one of former girlfriend Faye Wong (王菲).

Trivia

• Tse has known to have severe symptoms of asthma, and is allergic to furry animals including dogs and horses.
• The song "Forget Me Not", originally performed by Yutaka Ozaki (尾崎豊), is a song which the Chinese government didn't favor too much as it talked about death and depression. In an interview with HK commercial radio 881903, Tse mentioned that when he was studying music in Japan, he was once mistaken for Ozaki, although Ozaki was already dead at the time.
• Tse and Cecilia Cheung have appeared together in Coca-Cola advertisement and enemies in the film The Promise (無極), and Master Q 2001 (老夫子2001).
• When filming his first film Young and Dangerous, he sustained a severe ankle injury. Using alcohol and a few plastic bags, he temporarily treated his wound. Later, when he was treated at a hospital, he realised that his wound was revealing his ankle bones. Once the film was finished filming he was not allowed to watch the premiere as the film was rated 18+ and he was only 17 at that time.
• Many of Tse's friends and associates know him by the nickname "Emperor" (皇帝).
• Korean singer Tablo from the group Epik High stated on the variety show "Happy Together" that he and Tse both attended St. George's School in Vancouver and were friends at the time. Tablo and Tse had a scuffle with a Caucasian student which lead to Tablo's expulsion from the school.

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Trivial matter again

Listen, SigillumVert, I have always preferred gnoming and hated interacting with people on WP back when I was active on zhwiki. I have never reverted the same person on more than two separate articles, yet this is my fourth time with you. The first two instances were blatant violations of WP:STYLEVAR and WP:NOCON from an RFC, and the third involved adding a factual error due to a failure to distinguish Hong Kong as a separate film entity. Still, I will try my best to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume good faith on this matter. You mentioned that Jay Chou is Taiwanese, so I assume the discrepancy arises from your misunderstanding of the term "first Chinese singer" in the SCMP source, which refers to ethnicity, not nationality. I am certain about this because the same batch of Chinese-language sources referred him as "首位華人歌手" before Jay Chou announced his tour. You can check the newer sources published closer to Nicholas Tse's concert dates, which I have cited in the article, and all of them refer to him as the first Hong Kong singer. There are plenty of sources referring to him as the first Hong Kong singer, there are plenty for first ethnic Chinese singer, and there are none if you search for first singer of Chinese nationality (like Googling 首位中國歌手 or 首位中國籍歌手). I assume you have some proficiency in Chinese given your interest in Chinese articles, so I will not be translating the sources or conducting a Chinese-language search for you as I would for non-Chinese-speaking Wikipedians. You need not reply, and I will not respond further, as I believe this case is already clear and I really hate engaging in back-and-forth slanging matches about tiny, trivial matters like this with people. —👑PRINCE of EREBOR📜 14:02, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

Nicholas Tse is, unlike Jay Chou, a Chinese citizen. How exactly is this semantically rendered in Chinese language is of no relevance to English wikipedia. Assuming that SCMP, an English language paper, meant "Chinese ethnicity" and not "Chinese nationality" because of some unrelated writings in Chinese is textbook OR.

Han, Manchu, Hui etc. are ethnicities. Chinese is a nationality. That's the way it is in English. Maybe it's different in Mandarin, but that doesn't matter here. SigillumVert (talk) 15:49, 5 May 2025 (UTC)

I did not intend to reply as I said, but I feel obligated, as a rollbacker, to provide some clarification on our guidelines to prevent similar edits from being made elsewhere. Han, Manchu, Hui etc. are ethnicities. Chinese is a nationality. That's the way it is in English.: this is just hilarious, like, why do you think 華人 is redirected to Chinese people? Perhaps we can have a better discussion once you have a clearer understanding of China, such as distinguishing between Mandarin and written Chinese. In the meantime, I have already provided sufficient sources, including an April SCMP article that solely retains the exceptional claim of "first Hong Kong", to prove otherwise. (I have actually switched the SCMP source you kept referring to with a newer article—none of the six sources currently in the article is backing "first Chinese"—not cross-checking writings in Chinese-language or whatever you were trying to say, I do not get it anyway.) I believe the term you are trying to accuse me of is SYNTH, because this is textbook NOT OR: when discrepancies arise, we should give weight to the majority of sources per DUE. Disregarding Chinese-language sources is against NONENG, and six to one is the clear majority. I still see no legitimate basis for disputing my points. I really wanted to AGF on your part, thinking this was due to a misunderstanding, but this conversation seems to have turned into another finger-pointing GAME of yours. Whatever the case, I am really do not have time to waste on this. Again, I have a very small editing scope, just edit as you please, as long as it is outside my watchlist and does not get flagged as vandalism by AntiVandal. —👑PRINCE of EREBOR📜 13:03, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

Please don't use accuse fellow editors of gaming the system just because they disagree with you. Me disagreeing with you does not mean I am acting in bad faith any more than you disagreeing with me does. And applying Chinese language semantics that don't exist in English to interpret and alter the English meaning is synth. Using wikipedia as source is WP:CIRCULAR for your conflation between a concept of culturally being Chinese and ethnicity. 華人 doesn't exist in English. Ethnicity is 民族. Maybe the concept of ethnicity is different in China, but we are on English wikipedia. Besides, redirects ≠ synonyms.

Regardless, I still don't understand what you are trying to prove here? That Nicholas Tse is not a Chinese national? That someone who is performed before him at Kai Tak? I never said he wasn't the first Hong Kong singer to perform there. Is there anyone from mainland China or Macau to have performed there before him? If no, then this whole discussion is moot. SigillumVert (talk) 16:56, 6 May 2025 (UTC)

There are six sources directly attributing him as a Hong Kong singer/musician. It is inappropriate for you to describe it as WP:OR in your edit summary. Northern Moonlight 16:58, 4 August 2025 (UTC)