Talk:Neom

Etymology

It looks that someone who has written a chapter about etymology doesn’t know Arabic language. The word Neom is created adding a letter “n” for “new” to the word “day” in Arabic /‏يوم /So Neom means “A New Day”. 49.190.240.166 (talk) 01:15, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

49.190.240.166 (talk) I think the official "What is NEOM?" video states that it's "Neo" plus the crown prince's initial "M." Let me see if I can find the link to that video.

-AAEexecutive (talk) 18:15, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Not a video, but it's straight from the official website, a little more than halfway down next to the big seal. https://www.neom.com/en-us/about AAEexecutive (talk) 18:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

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Removal of academically sourced, "Cooperation with Israel" section

@Cergun62:

Hi Cergun62, I noticed you removed my new section added here:

Despite historically antagonistic relations, Israel is anticipated to have a major role in the development of NEOM, with Saudi Arabia expressing an interest in Israeli intellectual capability to this end. Israel has also reciprocated this. Saudi Arabia hopes to to establish an economic partnership with Israel to promote economic development of Neom. In particular, Saudi Arabia is interested in improved economic relations with high-tech industries in Israel required for the technological vision of Neom. According to a report in an Israeli newspaper there is evidence of coordination between Arab businessmen and diplomats in Tel Aviv, with companies in Israel ready to secure billions of dollars worth of contracts. The Saudi Arabian government is also reported to be involved in such communications. As such, analysts have pointed to Neom as an impetus for potential normalisation between Saudi and Israel.

Your stated reason was, that this was "speculative" and had "unreliable sources".

The sources are:

References

Both are from academic journals. More sources also exist. As such I contest your reasoning for removing the edit and suggest it is re-instated. If you do not agree, please explain how this is "speculative" when it is based on source material, and why the sources are "unreliable" when in fact they are reliable.

I look forward to your reply. (contribs) אב דהן (talkpage) 17:14, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Again, the sources seem to lack credibility. You can provide the “more sources that exist”. Cergun62 (talk) 11:17, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@Cergun62: The two sources cited are peer-reviewed journals. As such they are credible, and you have not explained to me why they are unreliable. You have merely given a claim without evidence, you merely contradicted me. Please provide evidence for their "lack of credibility" rather than merely stating it.

As for other sources:

• Jamilah, M., Fikra, H.U. and Harza, Z., 2019. Facilitating conditions of Saudi Arabia–Israel normalization in 2015-2018. Journal of Diplomacy and International Studies, 2(01), pp.38-51.
• Black, I., 2019. Just below the surface: Israel, the Arab Gulf States and the limits of cooperation. eprints.lse.ac.uk
• Yaari, Michal. "Israel and Saudi Arabia: On the way to normalization." Israel's relations with Arab countries: The unfulfilled potential (2020): 57-71.
• Madakam, Somayya, and Pragya Bhawsar. "NEOM smart city: The city of future (the urban Oasis in Saudi desert)." Handbook of smart cities (2020): 1-23.
• Kibrik, R., Goren, N., & Kahana-Dagan, M. (Eds.). (2021). Israel's Relations with Arab Countries: The Unfulfilled Potential. Mitvim, the Israeli Institute for Regional Foreign Policies.

The above contains a mix of Academic and institutional publications. There are even more of course. In particular I draw your attention to the second source of the additional sources I have listed above, the London school of Economics Middle East Centre Report, which states on page 22,

The $50bn NEOM project, on the country’s northwest coast near the borders of Jordan, Egypt and Israel, seemed certain to attract Israeli interest and expertise.

— Link

In fact you denied the original sources credibility without evidence, despite their being peer-reviewed sources in famous academic journals such as Asian Affairs. Also what do you mean by "seem" - do they lack credibility or not? So I will ask you for a second time - and this time please do not deflect or merely contradict me as this is not productive - why do you insist the original two sources are unreliable and not credible?

(contribs) אב דהן (talkpage) 16:47, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Bothe the “Pakistan Journal of Law” and “Asian Affairs Journal” are by no means “famous”.

“The development of Neom, therefore, is likely to increase Saudi Arabia’s need for technological development and its interests in improved economic relations with high-tech industries in Israel”

this from one of the paragraphs of the Asian Affairs source. Again, the sentence has a speculative tone.

same with the following:

“The $50bn NEOM project, on the country’s northwest coast near the borders of Jordan, Egypt and Israel, seemed certain to attract Israeli interest and expertise”.

If you have any article from a reputable and credible source like Reuters, NYT, or BBC, or even a Saudi source Like Arab News, you can provide it. Other than that, the sources you provided are not enough to support the claims. Cergun62 (talk) 17:35, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

News websites are in fact less credible than peer-reviewed academic journals... If you are seriously willing however to contest this and the other journal as reliable sources, we can take them to the RS's noticeboard.

However I'd like to thank you for engaging a bit more and explaining your reasoning.

As far as the wording seeming "speculative", then the lack of linguistic certitude apparent in the prose of the sources is not reason to blank the entire section; I am happy to change the wording of the section to reflect the sources as need be, or you could've even made such edits yourself.

Nevertheless, I am happy to come to a compromise and reword the section to reflect the wording in the source material - please indicate if you would be happy with this compromise. (contribs) אב דהן (talkpage) 19:27, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

A compromise it is, then. Cergun62 (talk) 20:26, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Just rewrite it while pointing out that it's speculation. Using words like "It has been speculated" should do the job. Cergun62 (talk) 20:30, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@Cergun62: How does this sound?

Suggestion of Israeli Cooperation
Despite historically antagonistic relations, Israel is speculated to have a major role in the development of NEOM, with some suggesting that Saudi Arabia could be expressing an interest in Israeli intellectual capability to this end. Israel is suggested to have also reciprocated this. In line with this, Saudi Arabia is said to hope to establish an economic partnership with Israel to promote economic development of Neom. In particular, analysts suggest that Saudi Arabia may be interested in improved economic relations with high-tech industries in Israel required for the technological vision of Neom. According to a report in an Israeli newspaper, there is supposedly evidence of coordination between Arab businessmen and diplomats in Tel Aviv, with companies in Israel said to be ready to secure billions of dollars worth of contracts. The Saudi Arabian government is also supposedly involved in such communications. As such, analysts have suggested Neom as a potential impetus for normalisation between Saudi and Israel.

(contribs) אב דהן (talkpage) 16:10, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Go ahead and add it the the international relations section. Thank you for engaging in this discussion. Cergun62 (talk) 16:15, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Al-Nasr still Lord Mayor?

Given his dismissal from NEOM as CEO, is it possible that he is no longer Lord Mayor? Aiman M. Al-Mudaifer is the new CEO and director as listed here. I don't know where we would find official Saudi Government info, and I don't speak arabic, which the documents would presumably be in.

Gamerwierdo100 (talk) 00:31, 30 May 2025 (UTC)