Talk:Morena Baccarin

"Brazilian actress"

Although I could not find reliable secondary sources that definitively state Morena's citizenship, in her social media, she has posts where she claims to have voted in the 2016 and 2020 US elections. Is it now allowable to change "Brazilian actress" into "Brazilian-born American actress"? howdy.carabao 🌱🐃🌱 (talk) 17:58, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Brazillian should not be in the lede at all – she may have been born there, but she has performed no notable career activities as a "Brazillian" that I can see, and I don't think her being born in Brazil is even particularly noteworthy (e.g. under WP:CONTEXTBIO). She should either be listed as "American actress", if here U.S. citizenship can be verified, or no nationality should be listed in the lede IMO. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:55, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

I agree. She's an American actress, moved to the US at age 7, has resided in the US since then, and has done all her notable work in the US. Birth location is irrelevant to her notability and should not be mentioned in the lead at all. Geraldo Perez (talk) 05:11, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Not a good idea to say "American" rather than "Brazilian and American" if she still holds Brazilian citizenship imo. Thedarkknightli (talk) 14:40, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

Examples at MOS:NATIONALITY reserves mentioning both if the person had notable activities in both countries. See example for Isaac Asimov which applies. Baccarin did nothing of note in the 7 years after her birth in Brazil before she moved to the US. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:36, 8 May 2023 (UTC)

I find it strange and disrespectful to her to ignore her roots. She identifies as both American *and* Brazilian, therefore Brazilian-American -- while unquestionably more American. Many other artists like her are described that way ("nationality1-nationality2") and it's just weird she isn't. She is by all means Brazilian (fun fact, during the Homeland days, the cast was taken to the CIA headquarters for a visit and Morena and Damian Lewis were not allowed in certain sections of the building because they were *not* American).

We are not talking about someone who is a exclusively an American person and just happened to be born or live in another country for a few years. Her parents and most of her ancestry is Brazilian, she grew up speaking Brazilian Portuguese until they moved to the US and then at home with her parents and family once they moved. She has actively saught out work and played roles in the country, she gives interviews in the language and she is notable in Brazil. While most of her life and career has been in the US, her Brazilianness is not ignorable. It seems questionable to give her a different treatment to the many other actors and singers who have more than one nationality. For instance, and these are bad examples, Mika's wiki has him as British-Lebanese and America Ferrera's lede clarifies she's born to Honduran parents from the get-go -- even though she wasn't even born there, unlike Morena. The way Baccarin's wiki is organized right now, it's as if her being a Brazilian to Brazilian parents matter less than other artists with similar stories.

While her Brazilian career may "feel" less relevant to an American audience because they don't get to watch the shows and interviews and whatnot that she takes part in in Brazil, they are not irrelevant to herself, her career, her Brazilian audience and how many in society perceive her.

And lastly, her name, of all names, is frigging Morena! Ultrajante (talk) 08:04, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

Having read the CONTEXTBIO you mention, it's still not clear these examples apply. "Notable work" in the way you describe it is relative at best.

If notoriety in the US is the main deciding factor, then no dual citizen will ever not be just "American" because most of the time their "relevant work" will only be the work that was deemed "relevant" in the US.

I can understand avoiding Brazilian hyphen American after reading the contextbio, but don't think the other suggestions apply. Specially not considering how she perceives herself and is perceived. Ultrajante (talk) 08:47, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

For what it's worth, the Portuguese version of this Wikipedia article currently refers to her as a "Brazilian actress" in the lede. 97.115.210.248 (talk) 06:52, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

To begin with, foreigners (or as latinos say: gringos) should not be the ones to get to decide if she is brazillian or not. The Constitution of the Federative Republic of Brazil claims that the brazillian citizenship can be defined "I – by birth: a) those born in the Federative Republic of Brazil, even if to foreign parents, as long as they are not in the service of their country;." therefore, it is undeniable Morena Baccarin is Brazillian-American. Her nationality it is not determinated by rather you believe she is Brazillian or not, the law is plain. In addition, Morena Baccarin herself says she is proud of being brazillian, ommiting "Brazillian-American" is outrageous for latin people and a act of disrespect towards Morena. 2804:1B3:AB01:E654:29B5:5AB7:1B4C:1611 (talk) 17:50, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Nobody is questioning her citizenship status. She holds both American and Brazilian citizenship, Brazilian by birth, American by naturalization. Fairly clear by what is in the article. However she has done nothing notable in Brazil in the 7 years she lived there and has a significant body of notable work in the US in the 34 years she has lived and resided there. She left Brazil and made a choice to live and work in the US and is an American citizen. American actress is appropriate for the intro sentence. Geraldo Perez (talk) 18:51, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

One's nationality and descent are not determined by their contribution to a country. Morena herself adds "Brazillian born" in her biography on Instagram. What makes you think she would like you to omit "Brazillian" in the introduction? Even if being Brazillian is stated throughout the article, the introduction remains as essential as the rest of the text. Therefore, exposing such an important information from the start is crucial. 2804:1B3:AB01:E654:11C9:CEED:A534:EAAB (talk) 03:03, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

MOS:CONTEXTBIO is a Manual of Style for Wikipedia article that describes what goes in the lead and intro. We are all expected to follow the Wiki MOS. Ethnicity and birth location are explicitly excluded when they have no relevance as to why the person is notable which is the case for Baccarin. See also the examples as well. The one for Isaac Asimov is a similar situation. Geraldo Perez (talk) 03:19, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

This has been discussed ad nauseum here. She is an American actress. Nothing in Brazil. Get over it. GenQuest ^"scribble" 05:58, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

If that was true she wouldn't have been barred from entering parts of the CIA offices Clare Danes was allowed into. The cast of Homeland took a tour around CIA offices, but Morena and Damian Lewis were barred from entering certain sections of the offices *because they were not american*. You can't have it both ways. Ultrajante (talk) 07:07, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

As was noted in the first comment of this discussion, she stated that she has voted in the US elections which means she has to be an American citizen. Why she was barred from entering a CIA location has nothing to do with her citizenship status but more likely due to not having a proper security clearance and not being born in the US may be a part of that. Geraldo Perez (talk) 16:45, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

She's Brazilian and American by nationality. MOS:ETHNICITY doesn't apply here... Ortizesp (talk) 19:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

MOS:ETHNICITY applies everywhere. Dual nationality is covered in article but doesn't go in intro or lead as irrelevant to notability. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:02, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello, I'm not arguing for or against because I'm not 100% certain but it appears to me from the Isaac Asimov example in MOS:CONTEXTBIO might not be exactly comparable to Baccarin. "The second example is someone who emigrated as a child and continued to identify as a citizen of their adopted country". Baccarin emigrated as a child, yes, but she doesnt solely identify as a citizen of her adopted country. From what I can understand from the CONTEXTBIO article, it might in fact be fair to not state her nationality at all, as her nationality appears to be a point of controversy. 2A01:4B00:8043:D300:C4C8:6D65:743B:5BFA (talk) 22:49, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

She's pretty typical of people who immigrated as children. Grew up in US, lives in US and all notable activities in US, identifies as American. Proud of her heritage as is normal. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:25, 18 January 2025 (UTC)

This is incorrect. Although she has performed mostly in US, she has done some notable performances in Brazil, speaking in Portuguese (notably in the series "Sessão de Terapia").

Also, se fact that she was born and lived in Brazil until the age of 10, clearly clarifies she is a Brazilian citizen, and therefore makes absolutely no sense to omit that from the description. Guzforster (talk) 14:19, 20 April 2026 (UTC)

Also, not up to what you think. If a person is born in a country and has citizenship, she is a national of that country and that should be clearly cited. Guzforster (talk) 14:27, 20 April 2026 (UTC)

I have a question though. Pedro Pascal was born in Chile, but moved to America as a child. Though he has no notable work done in Chile, he is still mentioned in his Wikipedia page as a Chilean and American. Why can't Morena be Brazilian and American as well? Drzejstan (talk) 11:01, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

The Pedro Pascal article is not following the MOS and does not set any precedence for other articles. Geraldo Perez (talk) 17:26, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

She makes sure to adding at her Instagram bio that she was born in Brazil. Simply adding "Brazilian-" before "American" sounds more than logical - it's respect for the heritage she's clearly proud of. And it's accurate. ~2026-10837-98 (talk) 19:50, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but as somebody who was born in Brazil, but has resided in the United States since also the age of seven. It is absolutely Ludacris that we're having a conversation about whether or not the ethnicity of a person versus notability of their work goes into their public profile. Her parents are both Brazilian. She was born in Brazil just because she's only ever acted in American media does not make her an American actress. That's essentially saying that she's an American, which given that she is a naturalized citizen does not make her an actual American person. Her descend is Italian and all this other stuff, but her primary descendent is Brazilian. I would be appalled by reading that I was an American actor when I was born in Brazil to Brazilian parents or by God any other country in the world just because my work is essentially just in America. That's essentially taking her background away because of her work which is ridiculous. Change I to Brazilian to actually make this article make sense. I will be changing the article until this sticks because it does not make sense. ~2026-20009-93 (talk) 22:19, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

As you wrote, she was in United States since the age of seven, she's only ever acted in America, and is a US citizen. You're wrong – a naturalized citizen does make her an actual American. Your reasoning fails. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 01:34, 1 April 2026 (UTC)

She is a Brazilian citizen. She also has performed in Brazil. She was born and lived in Rio until the age of 10. Speaks fluent portuguese as a native would speak. She's Brazilian-Amarican. YOUR logic makes absolutely no sense. Guzforster (talk) 14:21, 20 April 2026 (UTC)

See, MOS:ETHNICITY. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 00:46, 21 April 2026 (UTC)

You're wrong - being Brazilian is not an ethnicity - it’s fundamentally a national identity, not a shared ancestral or cultural lineage in the way “ethnicity” is usually defined.

Ethnicity refers to a group with common historical roots—like language, traditions, and often ancestry (e.g., Yoruba, Han Chinese, Sámi).

Brazil, on the other hand, is a highly mixed society formed from Indigenous peoples, Portuguese colonizers, enslaved Africans, and later waves of immigrants (Italian, German, Japanese, Arab, etc.). There’s no single ancestral line that defines “Brazilian.”

In summary, and please learn this when referring to other nationalities you apparently know nothing about: It’s a civic identity just like “American” or “Finnish”. Or are you going to say those are ethnic groups as well? Guzforster (talk) 13:23, 21 April 2026 (UTC)

Apparently you know nothing about my knowledge of nationalities. Perhaps you should read MOS:ETHNICITY before taking up unproductive space and spouting off. MOS:ETHNICITY: "The opening paragraph should usually provide context for that which made the person notable. ...where the person was such when they became notable." Birth location is explicitly excluded when it has no relevance as to why the person became notable. You write, "She also has performed in Brazil." You give no examples; regardless, there is nothing about that in her article and, apparently, such was nothing of note or made her notable before living in America. See, also, MOS:OPENPARABIO: "The first sentence should usually state: ... 3. Context (location, nationality, etc.) for the activities that made the person notable." Obviously, she became notable only for her activities in America. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 14:08, 21 April 2026 (UTC)

"Sessão de Terapia" - look it up. Guzforster (talk) 21:34, 21 April 2026 (UTC)

Yes, you might use that and perhaps more of them. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 21:38, 21 April 2026 (UTC)

Hi, for the record, @Guzforster replaced the status quo descriptor (American) with "Brazilian-American" 12 days ago (see ), while I've just reverted this edit (see ) per consensus here. I used to think that we should write "Brazilian and American" but later changed my mind. Now, I think that it's OK to write simply "American", given MOS:ETHNICITY, that she grew up in the US and spent much more time there than in Brazil, and that we do mention her immigration later in the lead. Thanks, Thedarkknightli (talk) 07:30, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

Thanks @Thedarkknightli:. As you could tell by the talk entries, above, I (and other experienced editors) agree with you. I was going to do the same edit and appreciate your taking the lead. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 07:56, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

Sorry, but I will revert that back again, and to be clear this comes across as borderline racism. The reasoning is inconsistent with how similar cases are handled: many public figures have their birth nationalities included without issue.

You should revisit the logic here, because it’s flawed. As it stands, the decision feels arbitrary and unnecessarily petty so I will step in and revert it to the correct description as needed. Guzforster (talk) 09:04, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with racism or illogic. The edits are governed by the Wikipedia Manual of Style as well as consensus to which editors are bound. If you find "many public figures have their birth nationalities included without issue" (you give no examples) they, also, should be edited to comply with the Manual of Style. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 10:11, 5 May 2026 (UTC)

Where is the consensus? There seems to be some disagreement on this thread and apart from you and another person, the consensus seems to be for adding a "Brazilian" along with "American" on the description. The guidelines are GUIDELINES, not rules set in stone. She has done work in Brazil, is set to repeat another season of the same show IN BRAZIL, and you still are being stubborn about this. Are you seriously going to say this is not racism? Get a grip. As cited before, Pedro Pascal is one of those public figures which has their double nationality in their intros, despite only having worked in the US. I don't see you defending this so fiercely there. Guzforster (talk) 12:00, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

You write, "She has done work in Brazil, is set to repeat another season of the same show IN BRAZIL." But you (1) don't provide any evidence at all and, even if correct, (2) don't show how that made her notable (rather, she became notable due to her work in America).
Please look up "racism". Brazilians are not a race. "Racism is the belief, action, or systemic structure that treats people unfairly, discriminates, or expresses hatred based on their race or ethnic background." "Brazilian" is not a race or ethnicity; it is a nationality.
First, consensus or not, MOS:ETHNICITY (including MOS:CONTEXTBIO, etc.) controls. Second, unfounded opinions unreasonably ignoring the MOS don't control. Third, there is reasoned consensus by experienced editors IJBall, Geraldo Perez, Thedarkknightli, GenQuest, and me. If you disagree, we are left as is and controlled by MOS:ETHNICITY

Please note the language of MOS:ETHNICITY (including MOS:CONTEXTBIO, etc.) that controls, including as follows: "The opening paragraph should usually provide context for that which made the person notable. ...where the person was such when they became notable. Quaerens-veritatem (talk) 19:47, 12 May 2026 (UTC)

Plus, accusing others of racism without valid evidence is a personal attack. Thedarkknightli (talk) 02:35, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

Children

I don't know how to do any of this but this mentions that she has two kids. Says she has a son with each husband. Also says she has a daughter. Math isn't mathing 149.154.2.144 (talk) 05:56, 11 September 2025 (UTC)

Nvm. I just misunderstood what I read. 149.154.2.144 (talk) 06:00, 11 September 2025 (UTC)

Bad introduction

The introduction states "Known for her lead role as Mickey Fox in the CBS television series Sheriff Country since 2025". However, she is ACTUALLY known (and has been known for a long time) for her roles in Firefly and Stargate SG-1 - and therefore the sentences should have their contents swapped. Virolino (talk) 10:09, 3 June 2026 (UTC)