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William Calley

Would some of you chime in for a consensus on this mention of William Calley as a famous resident? I vote no. (I've reverted once, but I'm not going to go back and forth.) I disagree with "famous residents" sections in general, but I'm not everyone. I cannot find WP policy on the subject, however it just doesn't seem encyclopedic, especially when the person in question doesn't even live in LW anymore. Should we include him in Palm Beach County as well? Florida? United States? He went to school and worked there, too. - Chris 04:47, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Although you may agree with these sections, they have frequently been upheld. Also, there is typcailly no requirement that the person be a current resident (again, see Fort Lauderdale for examples). Your point about FL / US is a straw man argument -- there is no precedent for a list of this sort at that level of generality and there is no evidence that anyone is trying to create such a precedent. I added Calley because he is an extremely well-known individual who lived in Lake Worth. Hopefully this list will grow beyond him -- I am sure there are some other notables from Lake Worth -- but he is the one I know right now, so that growth will have to come through good ol Wikipedia cooperation. Posterofwilliamcalleyinfo 05:07, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I vote no as well, but given the number of articles he is listed under, this at least makes some sense. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:29, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

If you are going to look at logical fallacies, you should compare your Ft. Lauderdale point with this or this. Why should I assume it's kosher because it's done at Ft. Lauderdale? And the PB/FL/US argument is a straw man? You are arguing that an article for a named, geographic area have a list of famous residents. In my wacky little head, placing a person as a former resident in a city is the same thing. Should a famous person be listed at every town or city where s/he lived? Would you put this list in the William Calley article? - Chris 14:26, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I wasn't trying to get into fancy logic games (obviously I am not as smart as you, so you win). I was just giving an example of one of the many pages where individuals with a connection to a city similar to Calley's connection to Lake Worth have had their inclusion on the city page upheld. My specific point with PB/FL/US is that there is no general precedent for including famous residents at a broader geographic listing than city. Should a famous person be listed every town/city where he / she lives? Perhaps not everywhere, but Calley's time in Lake Worth is a prominent part of most short bios of him. Thus, perhaps a standard would be places where said person has spent a notable period of his life.On the other end, the standard, arrived at through consensus on other sites, clearly does not require that the person was born in a place or currently lives there. Look, I recognize that this is a debatable point. I just dont appreciate some users suggesting that my Calley edits have been in anything less than good faith -- at the very least, they fall in the grey area between notability and non-notability. Posterofwilliamcalleyinfo 14:51, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I hope you don't think I was suggesting you were not editing in good faith. I have nothing on which to assume otherwise. I think your username draws attention and probably some prejudice (in the purest sense of the word), but there's certainly nothing wrong with being a "poster of William Calley info". My disagreement with this issue is really more high-level, with the very inclusion of sections particularly for famous or notable residents (past or present). You are right, there is no precedent for such lists at larger geographic levels; I simply feel the precedent even at the city level is bad. In my personal opinion, an article on a city (or any geo-political area) should not include any reference to its residents unless their notability is directly related to the city itself (e.g. the mayor, founder, conqueror). Can you imagine if there was a "famous residents" list for New York City or LA? For the moment, I've put out a feeler for guidelines or policy on this subject as I am not aware of any that exist. I think this is just a matter of opinion, of which mine appears to be the minority. You won't see any reverts from me on this unless someone points out a guideline supporting my opinion. - Chris 15:41, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

It appears that there is indeed no guideline or policy on the subject. And, after reading the comments from others, I see the point in articles for smaller cities; for larger lists, categories (e.g. NYC or LA) or dedicated articles (e.g. List of people from Miami) are the way to go. Sorry for being a pill. - Chris 15:56, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Famous/Infamous residents: William Calley redux

To revisit this question: upon reviewing numerous biographical articles on William Calley, I note that there is only the slimmest of connections between Calley and Lake Worth, notwithstanding the claim above that "Calley's time in Lake Worth is a prominent part of most short bios of him". Calley graduated from high school in Miami and attended (then-)Palm Beach Junior College (PBJC) for one year. While most people in the area generally consider the college to be "in" Lake Worth (even though technically it is in an unincorporated part of the county), most people don't consider attending college somewhere for a year as making you a "resident" of that place.

After dropping out of PBJC in 1964, Calley apparently went back to Miami and drifted from job to job. He worked for the railroad that year ("He got a job in 1964 with the Florida East Coast Railroad and soon became a conductor."). He then returned to Palm Beach County, including apparently a short interlude in Lake Worth proper ("Eventually Calley left Miami. ... He went to Palm Beach where he had attended school and took a job as a bellhop, later went to Lake Worth and washed dishes in a restaurant. Then he drifted westward. He became a salesman, an appraiser for an insurance company in New Orleans, still essentially rootless." ). He left Florida in 1965 ("In 1965, he started drifting west in a brand-new Buick Wildcat." ). He enlisted in the Army in New Mexico on July 26, 1966.

Given that timeframe, with the second semester of college, then working on the railroad and as a bellhop all in 1964, Calley can't have spent more than a few months in Lake Worth at the dishwasher job before departing Florida in 1965.

There is really no basis upon which to call Calley a famous/infamous resident of Lake Worth, and unless someone can come up with a more convincing argument otherwise, I will remove the reference. To the extent Calley is an infamous resident of anywhere, it is Columbus, Georgia, where he has been living for the past several decades. After that, one could make a case for Miami, if one is determined to tie down someone described in most articles as "drift[ing]" and "rootless" before entering the Army.

Note that this is not an attempt to whitewash any questionable details about Lake Worth. The Charles Whitman and Mark Foley connections to the town are well-documented.

Separately, Wade Korpi should be removed from the famous/infamous residents list. I don't see how a college sophomore baseball player qualifies as "famous". If and when he goes pro, that may change. By contrast, Lake Worth High School grad Otis Thorpe, with 17 seasons in the NBA, should be on the list. Airbornelawyer 07:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I have added and removed some names from the list. Please note: I removed "Joseph Noto- Classical Musician" because I could find no reference to this person by searching for various permutations of the name and variants of "classical music", "music", etc. If the name was misspelled, or if there is a source I missed, please provide. I included Lake Worth native Andy Hansen, although he does not appear to have a Wikipedia page yet, because he did play 9 seasons of professional sports (albeit as a somewhat mediocre player). Hansen and Mayo Smith both went to Lake Worth High School. Although I don't believe Smith's current Wikipedia bio notes his Lake Worth connection, an October 21, 2006 Palm Beach Post column on his widow did address it. Airbornelawyer 21:58, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

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Requested move 13 March 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. (non-admin closure) Calidum 17:51, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

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Lake Worth, Florida → Lake Worth Beach, Florida – Voters in the city of Lake Worth voted to change the name to Lake Worth Beach.

Bradleyll (talk) 05:01, 13 March 2019 (UTC) --Relisting. В²C ☎ 18:17, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

This report says the change will be implemented slowly. The city's official web site hasn't changed as of noon March 13, 2019. While an article move would appear to be inevitable, we shouldn't do so until the name change is official. I will move protect the article for now. - Donald Albury 16:15, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

• Comment Oppose If I wanted to make a guess, I imagine it's something the city needs to do before the fiscal year ends (September 30th). – The Grid (talk) 20:27, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Decided to read the ballot and it will amend the city's Charter Code. However, it seems vague. There's no effective date on the item so no idea how (and when) the new commission will enact this. – The Grid (talk) 20:48, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose as too soon. As indicated by the above comments, there is no specific effective date for that passed ballot initiative, and that the city will implement the change "slowly". Thus for now, it neither passes WP:COMMONAME nor WP:OFFICIALNAMES. Zzyzx11 (talk) 07:19, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
• Support The city's web site now says "Lake Worth Beach". I haven't found any news about the change dated later than March 13, but the web site change seems enough to me. - Donald Albury 11:49, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

  Still not good for me in terms of COMMONAME. Furthermore, I noticed that the web site (as of today) still reads the address as "City of Lake Worth, 7 North Dixie Highway, Lake Worth, FL 33460". The USPS may still not recognize the new name? Zzyzx11 (talk) 04:07, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

  I don't think the Post Office designation will be definitive. The Post Office applies the name "Lake Worth" to a delivery area (including nine ZIP codes) that is much larger than the city limits (For eight years I had a Lake Worth address and got electricity from the Lake Worth Utilities, but never lived in the City of Lake Worth) and the Lake Worth Post Office is in the unincorporated area west of the city. The stated reason for changing the city's name was to distinguish it from the large unincorporated area that also has Lake Worth adresses. WP articles about municipalities (at least in the U.S.) are about the incorporated entities, not about the postal delivery areas. The Post Office might change the designation of ZIP Code 33460, which includes all of the city plus a few bits of unincorporated area, to Lake Worth Beach, or they might change everything now called Lake Worth to Lake Worth Beach, which would negate most of the perceived value of the name change. - Donald Albury 14:38, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

  @Donald Albury: The website change looks to be a bandaid. Going into any page within the website still omits Beach. It's more frustrating that their official Twitter uses Beach with no news on the name change. It looks like they're still in the middle of electing commissioners which does provide explanation for no effective date on the ballot. Do we have any recent examples of a city changing its name on here? – The Grid (talk) 13:45, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

  @The Grid: Back in December 2005 I moved Cutler Ridge, Florida, a CDP, to Cutler Bay, Florida, which had incorporated in January 2005. There was no discussion on the talk page before or after the move. Of course, I did a lot of things in WP back then that I would at least hesitate to do now. - Donald Albury 14:18, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

  @Donald Albury: That's understandable especially talking about Wikipedia in another time period. I wouldn't be against the move but at the same time I feel like the page wouldn't need to be moved until a certain date is announced. – The Grid (talk) 16:58, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

  @The Grid: I was bold, and no one reverted me or complained. It did not occur to me that the move might be controversial, and, as it turned out, it wasn't. I wish I could think of a more clear-cut case of a city changing its name after its WP article existed. - Donald Albury 19:38, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

• Relisting comment. Seems like this could be a quickly changing border line case. Not WP:RECENTISM because that applies to brief notability - this change might be "recent" but it's not a spike in news issue - it's about whether the COMMONNAME has changed yet. At this point consensus is unclear on this point, but given the website change during the duration of the discussion so far, it seems like giving it another week might be fruitful. --В²C ☎ 18:17, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
• Wait for sources. As with any other geographical name change, we shouldn't move the page until reliable sources have started using the new name. ONR (talk) 15:26, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

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Notable events section

I blanked this section, as it related a single incident which did not happen in Lake Worth Beach. William Moldt was reported missing from Lantana, Florida, and his remains were found in Wellington, Florida. See the following sources to verify this: (the second was used in the article, so this is a sort of "failed verification" revert). ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 12:35, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Question on edit

Moved conversation from User talk:Donald Albury

Hello, I saw you reverted my change adding Hidden Oaks Elementary school to the Lake Worth Beach, Florida article for "School zone is west of Lantana, does not include Lake Worth Beach". My first question is, was the source I cited sufficient? I saw most of the other schools listed cited (now dead) links to pdfs published by palmbeachschools.org that (presumably) led to zoning maps. Secondly, if the school isn't in Lake Worth Beach, as its address is, then under what city article would it be listed? My only other guess is Boynton Beach, Florida, since it is close to the border on where the cities meet. I'm just confused as the school lists itself as being in Lake Worth (Beach). Pbshiver (talk) 16:09, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

@Pbshiver: Looking at the attendance map you linked, the attendance zone lies between Old Boynton Road and the L-17 canal, which is about midway between Hypoluxo Road and West Lantana Road. The attendance zone is entirely east of Lawrence Road. Parts of the attendance zone may be within the city limits of Boynton Beach, but it is nowhere near the city of Lake Worth Beach. You cannot rely on postal addresses to determine whether something is in the city. The Post Office includes everything between West Palm Beach and Boynton Beach in the Lake Worth postal zone (see Palm Beach County Zip Code Map - Cities), including the municipalities of Lantana, Hypoluxo, Atlantis, Green Acres, and maybe others I don't remember, as well as the unincorporated areas out to the Loxahatchee Preserve. The article is about the city of Lake Worth Beach, not the postal delivery zone. - Donald Albury 18:03, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Ah alright. Thank you for clearing this up for me. Pbshiver (talk) 18:23, 11 September 2023 (UTC)

Barefoot mailman route

@Donald Albury, I was just double checking that removal you just did and I'm not a hundred percent sure that the content can't go back in with some clarification. According to my own recollection and the barefoot mailman article, the route ended in West Palm, but according to the source for the removed content, Jewell was served out of Juno, which was -in turn- served by rail from Jupiter, which was a stop on the barefoot route.

I'm thinking of adding that source back in with altered content explaining this (though not directly stating that it was served by the barefoot route, as it was never a stop on that route to the best of my knowledge). Thoughts? (I'm not married to this idea, I'm not 100% on the source itself.) ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 18:05, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

In Barefoot mailman#Barefoot route, Charles Pierce is cited as saying that starting in 1885 the barefoot route ran from Palm Beach to Miami, and does not mention any post offices along the way other than Hypoluxo. Later in the book he talks about the route from the north being extended from Jupiter to Hypoluxo in 1887, after Ed Hamilton's disappearance. Since the Jewell post office was not established until 1889, when the carrier was departing from Hypoluxo, it is highly unlikely that the barefoot mailman crossed over to the mainland to visit Jewell. Pierce, speaking of the early route, says that the barefoot mailman left Palm Beach in the morning, had lunch at Hypoluxo, then sailed a small boat from Hypoluxo to the south end of Lake Worth, crossed over to the ocean, and then walked down the beach to Fort Lauderdale, stopping for the night at the Orange Grove Rescue station at Delray Beach. There is no mention in the account of stopping at any post office between Hypoluxo and Miami. Pierce also mentions locking the mailbag just before Ed Hamilton left Hypoluxo on the trip in which he disappeared. Donald Albury 20:30, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

Pierce also comments that extending the terminal of the connecting route from Jupiter to Hypoluxo cut ten miles off the barefoot route, which is about the distance from the early settlement of Palm Beach to the island of Hypoluxo, where Pierce lived and the Hypoluxo post office was located. So it looks like the contract route originally started from Palm Beach, and starting in 1887, from Hypoluxo. Pierce doesn't give dates, but says there were star routes from Titusville to St. Lucie and St. Lucie to Lake Worth and Palm Beach. Once regular steamboat service started on the Indian River, the star routes were Titusville to Melbourne, Melbourne to Jupiter, and Jupiter to Hypoluxo. This last route used a mule and wagon from Jupiter to the head of Lake Worth, then a sailboat to visit the post offices around the lake, with the carrier spending the night at Hypoluxo before returning to Jupiter. Donald Albury 20:56, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

That aligns with what I know and read about the subject. But we know the Jewell station was served (via boat from Juno), and the source itself supports that. So what do you think of adding that, cited to the removed source? ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 21:38, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

I was thinking about that today. Mail was moved around Lake Worth (the lagoon) by sailboat when Jewell was established in 1889, and it may have continued to do so until 1894, when the barefoot mailman route was replaced by a hack travling from Lantana to Miami. I assume that, after the change in routes, the mail between West Palm Beach and Lantana was also going by road Donald Albury 22:50, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

That sounds very reasonable. I assume the specific road used was Military Trail, and that there may be sources out there confirming it. I will look to see what other sources I can find, as I'm still a little iffy on that source itself. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 20:45, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

I seem to remember that when the county contracted to have the road opened from Lantana to Lemon City in 1894 that much of the route used the old Military Trail, but I couldn't tell you where I read that. Pierce, which is a memoir, appears to be the primary source for what we know about the barefoot route. I found one note from Theodore Pratt on how when he contacted the post office when he was researching his book, they told him they had no records of any contract for the barefoot route. And there is that line in Brinton, mentioning the mail being carried down the beach from Jupiter to Miami in 1869, which took 4 days. His comment includes the statement that there was only one house along the route. As that was before either the first houses of refuge or the Hillsboro Inlet light were built, I am curious where that house could have been. If there was someone carrying the mail down the beach in 1869, by the 1880s there probably was no one living along that stretch of coast who remembered anything about it. Donald Albury 21:36, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

One thing I found curious in the removed source was the mention of caves. I'm not familiar with any other claims of there being numerous caves in that region of Florida. Indeed, the geology of the state does not lend itself to the presence of a sufficient number of air-filled caves that a mail carrier would be able to use them for shelter.

Blowing Rocks Preserve has a few sea caves, but those would be ill-suited to that purpose, and are not located west of A1A, as the source claimed, in any event. At the time, I would expect that much of the region west of A1A would have been swamp or mangrove forest, and would have had much the same sugar-sand topsoil as the natural areas do today. Are you familiar with any other sources claiming the existence of such caves?

If not, then I think that's a good nail in the coffin on that source. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 15:51, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

Possible sources

• The Historical Society of Palm Beach County. I pulled this one from History of Palm Beach County, Florida. It describes Jupiter as being served by Star Route #6451, with a beach-walker being used to carry mail further south to Miami, using a boat to cross the Lake Worth Lagoon to deliver to Jewell, though it notes this was suspended after two years. It goes on to describe how, starting in 1884, mail to Lake Worth was brought north from Miami through the use of beach-walkers. It also goes into some better detail on the route: It would come north from Miami via boat on the Indian River, then was carried overland by a mule-team to Juno, where it would board a steamer or sailboat to deliver to Jewell. After the death of one mailman in 1997, the Miami route was extended as far north as Hypoluxo, and then two years later, mail service was taken over by a stagecoach (presumably using Military Trail).
• WestPalmBeach.com This one mostly agrees with the previous source, and may be paraphrasing it, but it also claims that in 1884, the "Lake Worth country" portion of the Miami route was 're-activated'. It also goes into more detail on the precise route.
• Palm Beach County Historical Society research archives Not a direct source, but a possible resources. Yes, I'm aware everyone is likely well-aware of this, but having the link here is helpful, IMO.

Here is some of what I turned up. The rest, I don't feel is reliable enough. The second one is questionable, as I haven't seen who owns or operates that site, and it seems to be a commercial venture, not an academic one. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:17, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

The account on the historical society source aligns with the Brinton account. I will note that the Lake Worth post office it mentions as existing before the Palm Beach post office opened was probably not at the current Lake Worth Beach. Pierce (p. 118) says the Lake Worth post office was established in 1878, and was located 13 miles (8 on the beach and 5 by boat) south of Jupiter, which would have put it around Riviera Beach, the northern end of West Palm Beach, or the northern end of Palm Beach Island (which I think is most likely). I haven't checked the source(s), but this article says that Samuel and Fannie James were the first (non-Native American) settlers in what is now Lake Worth Beach in 1885, and that Fannie James operated the Jewell Post Office from 1889 to 1903. I guess I need to head over to the library and check Bradbury and Hallock's A chronology of Florida post offices. Pierce also says that before 1878 the official mail route ended at Fort Capron (St. Lucie) and any mail for Jupiter or the Lake Worth area was carried by whoever was traveling that way. Donald Albury 17:03, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

I just found this source from the Historical Society that mentions a 'Lake Worth' post office that was situated "at the home of Valorus O. Spencer at the north end of Palm Beach". That aligns with my own recollection that there was a different 'Lake Worth' post office in the early days. That would also line up with Peirce's description of it being about eighteen miles south of Jupiter (presumably, he was referring to Fort Jupiter at Pennock Point). Later on, in the same page, it mentions a post office established called "La Paz," which was later changed to "Deer Park" and then to "Jewell", which is the one that was discussed on the page.

It also confirms what you said about the James'.

My understanding, according to my own recollection and supported by the plaque at South Bryant Park was that the Jewell station was located on Lakeside Drive, just south of 5th Ave S, at a lot which has been vacant for as long as I can recall (meaning the early 90s). So the question now is, which of these sources describing the route is describing the route to the Lake Worth station in Riviera, and which is describing the route to the Jewell station in Lake Worth? lol, History is amusingly obtuse, sometimes. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 18:39, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

More names to look up in Bradbury and Hallock. I'm hoping to get to the library tomorrow (have thunderstorms passing through here today, so I'm staying home). Hmm, '90s! I lived just east of Kirk Road off of Lake Worth Road 1980-1988. Didn't spend much time in the city, though. One of the interesting things about history is how mutable it is. I think I know about some past thing, and then I read another source and have to change my mind. Even my memories of what happened in my own life keep running into different versions from other people who were there. I look at the articles about history that I wrote 20 years ago and I have to cringe. I recently expanded one from 20 years ago by 8 times, and hope that I used enough different sources to approach a balanced treatment. Donald Albury 20:21, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

I have consulted Bradbury and Hallock and have found the following post offices listed in what is now Palm Beach County that were established in the 19th century:

• Fort Jupiter: 13 Aug 1855 - 26 Feb 1856
• Lake Worth: 21 May 1880 - 30 Mar 1901, afterwards served by Mangonia (Riviera Beach) The current Lake Worth post office was established in 1912.
• Jupiter: 16 Sep 1884 - 30 Oct 1884, 3 Feb 1887 - 15 Sep 1908; afterwards served by Neptune
  • Neptune: 3 Feb 1887 - 5 Oct 1908; renamed Jupiter (This is also confusing.)
• Figulus: 7 Jan 1886 - 25 Feb 1891; afterwards served by Jewell
• Hypoluxo: 18 May 1886 - (I believe that this was originally on Hypoluxo Island.)
• Palm City: 15 Jan 1887 - 1 Oct 1887; renamed Palm Beach
• Zion: 15 Aug 1888 - 12 Aug 1892; afterwards served by Hypoluxo
• Oak Lawn: 12 Jan 1889; renamed Riviera 25 Apr 1893; renamed Mangonia 12 Aug 1902
• Juno: 16 Jul 1889; renamed Munyon's Island 17 Feb 1890 (I am not certain I have understood this correctly.)
• Jewell: 22 Aug 1889 - 15 Apr 1903
• Lantana: 1 Aug 1892, eventually a branch of Lake Worth
• Mangonia: 12 Mar 1894 - 14 Jul 1906; afterwards served by West Palm Beach
• West Palm Beach: 17 Apr 1894 -
• Linton: 18 Oct 1895; renamed Delray 19 Nov 1898
• Boynton: 16 Jul 1896 -
• Bocaratone: 16 Jul 1899 -

Re: earlier names for Jewell, the only Florida post office named Deer Park in Bradbury and Hallock was in Osceola County, and there is no post office named La Paz in B&H. Donald Albury 00:30, 18 March 2026 (UTC)