Talk:La Isla Bonita

Release Date 1987?

Is that correct? I remember getting Madonna's album in Summer 1986 in London on summer vacation there. Can anyone double check? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.241.139.134 (talk) 03:06, 16 April 2017 (UTC) Indeed given the significance of this title, it seems to me it would be useful to specify the version, as there are 14 ISRC versions IFPI database one of which shows a release date of 1986.06.11 (for a True Blue cassette and a 5:27 duration for that cut). True Blue was recorded between December 1985 and April 1986 and the sake of of preservation and possible quality enhancement of the original recordings with Michael Verdick / Michael Hutchinson / Dan Nebenzal and mastering by Ted Jensen at Sterling Sound, it would be great to have a section identifying the recording equipment used (e.g. what analog recorder, tracks, tape speed & width, heads, VCA, possible compansion like Dolby SR. A DSD remastering might be worthwile. Also the microphones patterns and capsules used. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cquarksnow (talk • contribs) 05:06, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

La Palma Island

This summer I've been in La Palma (the second-most western island of the Canary Islands in Spain). I was told the Madonna song refers to this Island (La Palma), where Madonna was supossed to live for some time. There are some facts which could indicate this is true: The song talks of "siesta" a typical Spanish custom (Spanish reference also in "Your Spanish lullaby") The City/town referred in the song (San Pedro) could well be the town of San Pedro de Breña Alta. See http://www.ing.iac.es/PR/lapalma/geography.html The motto of the Island is "La Isla Bonita" as in the song title (see http://www.lapalmaturismo.com/ingles/MARCO/MARCO1.htm). The Island has a wild nature ("All of nature wild and free"), see http://www.islalapalma.com/en/places/index.html?p=caldera Ths Island has a tropical climate (as in "Tropical the island breeze")

The article refers to Geri Halliway as using Spanish style inspired by this song. I just wanted to say that this cannot be really true as Halliway's mother is Spanish so the influence of Spanish words in her songs is obvious.

Everyone knows that the "isla bonita" is La palma (spain) but people write what they want. Not that belize island —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.217.66.180 (talk) 16:31, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Madonna has mentioned that San Pedro in La Isla Bonita was made up and she has no idea where it came - it could have been a turn off on the freeway or something else that triggered her thoughts. She has never lived in the Canary Islands either. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.202.31.245 (talk) 21:53, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Nope, La Isla Bonita is a real place

It's motto is "La Palma" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.152.248.120 (talk) 02:31, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

La Isla Bonita (Remix/Edit)

This version is available in the german CD "The Hits Album 6". Also you can find it in many 7" vinyls.

Byanka's Mexican Spanish version

Do you know the Mexican singer Byanka when it was used by the 1987 Spanish song version of the same title? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.178.88 (talk) 14:16, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

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Agnetha Fältskog

Hello guys. I recently read on an ABBA-related internet page that the song (before finally offered to Madonna) was intended to be given to Agnetha Fältskog so she could record it. Can anybody confirm this or does anybody know something about this at all? I just wanted to mention it. If it's true (and I personally doubt it), then this fact should be included in the article. Thanks, OfficeBoy (talk) 17:14, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Default sort?

Since "la" is an article meaning "the" in Spanish, should this page have a default sort so that it would show up in the categories under the letter I instead of the letter L? Zephyrnthesky (talk) 04:56, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Confessions Tour performance

The article says: "Madonna performed "La Isla Bonita" during the Live Earth benefit concert where she was joined by members of gypsy punk band Gogol Bordello for a crazed hoedown version of the song.[56] Gogol Bordello had previously joined her on the 2006 Confessions Tour where the song was played as a dance/tribal remix with interventions from Eugene Hutz and Sergey Ryabtsev from Gogol Bordello."

While it's true that Madonna was joined on stage by Gogol Bordello for her Live Earth performance of the song, Gogol Bordello were not featured in the Confessions Tour. Live Earth was the first, and so far only time, that Madonna and Gogol Bordello performed on stage together.--141.35.40.136 (talk) 09:44, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Gogol Bordello did not join as a group there. Just Hutz and Ryabtsev was there. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 10:04, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

What is meant by “singing in C♯ minor”?

The article says Madonna’s voice “changes from C♯ minor to F♯ minor”.

I’m a musician and I have no idea what that means. C♯ minor and F♯ minor are chords. You don’t sing in chords, you sing pitches.

If no one can explain this within a few weeks, I’m going to change the article.

Grand Dizzy (talk) 19:07, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

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Who "offered" it?

the article keeps saying the song was "offered" to Michael Jackson, then Madonna and even others. So if Madonna wrote the melody and words, who is doing this "offering"? what exactly are they "offering"?

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Translation

The Spanish "La Isla Bonita" translates into English as "the pretty island", not "beautiful" as stated in the article. Not the same meaning.Lazyzee (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:00, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Misheard lyrics

British audiences often mishear the first line of this song as "Last night I dreamt of some dago". I don't have a WP:RS for this, but a google search reveals lots of examples. Is this significant enough to add to the article? --Ef80 (talk) 19:13, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Usage of image in 'critical reception' section

I am creating this discussion because I wanted to get to a clear consensus regarding whether or not the performance image used on the 'Critical reception' version is appropriate or not. I have yet modified the article and included a text-box with a review of the song, but you can see how it used to be with the image on this version. My reason to included was to have more than. just two images of the song's performance, as I personally believe, they're relevant to the understanding of the article. @Aoba47: has explained on his peer review comment that it's not appropriate, hence why I altered the article and with the whole Bad Romance debacle I wanted to ask for second opinions (@IndianBio:, @Bluesatellite:, @Apoxyomenus:) on whether or not the image should be kept or not. Christian (talk) 14:05, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

I like images, including the one in question, but the section about live performances already has two images illustrating five paragraphs, which is sufficient. One more image in that section would crowd the text. One the other hand, the proposed image is supported by discussion in the section about the gypsy themed performance which the photograph shows. Binksternet (talk) 21:44, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

I feel images should not just be added for the sake of it, which the previous image in critical reception section felt like. The two images in the live performance section as noted above by Binksternet is more than enough to capture the essence of the overarching performances associated with Madonna singing it in many of her concerts. But @Chrishm21, you need to tie it with why the images are there in the first place, a generic "Madonna performing song ABC in concert XYZ" just doesn't cut it. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 11:37, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Just to add I meant support for this version but replace the Girlie Show picture in Critical reception with the Slant Magazine critic quote. —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 12:06, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Hello! So you mean leave it as it is @IndianBio:? Also, the image from Girlie Show is placed right next to the paragraph that mentions it, so I find it appropriate to leave it as it is :) --Christian (talk) 12:39, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

This looks good as it is, maybe a little expansion of the Rebel Heart Tour image? Like what is that performance exactly adding? —IB ^{[ Poke ]} 17:03, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

Latin America

Anecdotally, this song is quite popular in Latin America, and I thought I'd heard a Spanish version several times. Seems like a big gap in this article. Are there no WP:RS on this? GeoEvan (talk) 18:45, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi {{u|GeoEvan]]! Can you provide sources to this claim? If so, I'll add them :) --Christian (talk) 16:58, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

"Laila Bonita" listed at Redirects for discussion

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View Count

The magazine article referenced in relation to the view count is from 2018 and has some information missing from it. As the Video is likely to surpass 1 billion Views in the next few weeks (March 2025) It would be important for this to be updated and appropriately referenced as it is a large milestone within Madonna's discography and needs addressing appropriately. The wording on this section is unclear too i feel this needs reworking as it has been neglected. The Sensual World (talk) 14:51, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

The only time we should tell the reader about view count is after WP:SECONDARY sources comment on it. If they say something about a billion views, fine. In that case we can cite the source and tell the reader. Binksternet (talk) 16:19, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Possible AI text

Hi - I've flagged this as possibly containing AI-generated content. The main editor has created several other edits to articles this year, many of which display strong signs of LLM use (such as this.). Some of those signs are present in this article, so I looked up some of the AI-languaged claims and the sources they are attached to, to check source-text integrity. It did not take long to find hallucinations:

• Classic Pop's Mark Lindores described "La Isla Bonita" as the romantic centerpiece of Madonna's True Blue "mini-movie" era, highlighting its cinematic storytelling and sensual imagery. The article does not say this, the only mention of La Isla Bonita is a quick aside about its "Latin love story."
• Vogue España's María Mérida highlighted the clip's lasting influence on "electro-latino" fashion, pointing to its use of ruffles, fitted tops, baroque jewelry, and cropped jackets as elements that reshaped both style and popular culture in Spain -- The article mentions ruffles, fitted tops, baroque jewelry, and cropped jackets, but the "reshaped both style and popular culture" part is not backed up by the source, which just talks about the electro-Latino "musical genre," and does not really talk about "reshaping" anything at all. The article also mentions nothing about Spain specifically, despite it being the Spanish-language Vogue.
• Additionally, the island of La Palma in Spain's Canary Islands has reportedly been nicknamed "La Isla Bonita", although both the nickname or any connection to the song remain unconfirmed: Seems like a case of WP:AIDISCLAIMER. While this is admittedly based on a pirated PDF of the book, it sure seems like the book explicitly mentions the "La Isla Bonita" nickname (i.e., it confirms it) and says nothing about the song (meaning the latter part is WP:SYNTH).

I stopped at three, but the fact that it took me this little time to find hallucinations suggests that this should not be a FA and that there is something seriously, systemically wrong with the FA promotion process. Gnomingstuff (talk) 20:48, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

@Gnomingstuff: Thank you for raising these concerns. It may be worthwhile to open a discussion about this on the FAC talk page and to look into the featured article review process. I agree that this an issue that needs to be taken seriously and that it needs to be addressed sooner rather than later to hopefully try to limit this as much as possible. Aoba47 (talk) 01:50, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

I opened a discussion on the GA talk page since this is also happening with Good Articles, and mentioned this in regard to another FA candidate by the same person, but a couple of people including one of the GA/FA reviewers interpreted it as me criticizing them personally and that was not my intention. Gnomingstuff (talk) 03:32, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Unfortunately, another reviewer and I was involved in its spotchecks but all the sources I examined checked out. Looking back, I realize I should’ve been more thorough in my review and checked many more sources. Chrishm21, I recommend going through the entirety of the sources again and fixing all the issues relating to source-to-text integrity. Otherwise this would have to undergo the FAR process and possibly lose its FA status. FrB.TG (talk) 08:07, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

@FrB.TG: Apologies for the ping. I was wondering about the status of this discussion and if this article should taken through the FAR process? This discussion seems to have stalled, but there seem to be outstanding concerns regarding AI text, like with the AI-generative tag is still up. Aoba47 (talk) 02:31, 11 December 2025 (UTC)

• Paging Chrishm21 whose nomination it was. —Fortuna, imperatrix 17:40, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

I would like to know when the LLM assistance was first used by Chrishm21, whose contributions go back to 2015. I think we should roll the page back to the point when LLM stuff was introduced, and work from there to restore the page. Binksternet (talk) 19:04, 26 October 2025 (UTC)

Hi FrB.TG and Gnomingstuff! Sorry it took me long to get back as I was dealing with personal stuff. Every source used on this article can be verified with a source-by-source, which I'm glad to do if it pleases FA supervisors. I did not make up anything, nor created false information/original research. I'm aware of the story of users who did that on the Madonna wikiproject but I can assure you this is not the case. I've added another verified, proper source that backs up the La Palma mention, as well as fixed the Classic Pop one regarding the music video. I went through extensive research to get this article to FA, and rest assured everything included here is backed up by a proper source.--Christian (talk) 20:10, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

I mean the core question here has not been answered, which is, did you use AI for this? Gnomingstuff (talk) 21:06, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Gnomingstuff! Sorry I've been taking long to answer; I recently started a new job and it's a bit demanding. No I did not use AI. i did however use Hemingway Editor and ProWritingAid. Tweaked around the sentences till I liked how they sounded (some of those formats I kept for other articles). Christian (talk) 17:52, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

I can't talk about this case specifically, but GA and FA assume good faith and that people are not playing fast and loose with sources or using AI. Thus they tend to not actually scrutinize sources that deeply and double check things. That's how things slip by. Harizotoh9 (talk) 16:58, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi! @Harizotoh9 the editor of this article here! Trust and be assured there are no made up sources or irrelevant/false information. Like I previously mentioned, if necessary I'm open to a source-by-source check of this article. Let me know Christian (talk) 17:41, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

@Chrishm21: The issue is that @Gnomingstuff: has pointed out spots where the sources do not match the information in the article. I looked at their first point about this source from Classic Pop. I checked the article myself to see if the citation was used appropriately, and I did come across issues with it. This source is being used to support the following sentence: Overall critical reception of the video was mixed. Classic Pop's Mark Lindores described "La Isla Bonita" as the "love story" of Madonna's True Blue "mini-movie" era.

I do not think that this sentence accurately represents what is in the citation. The citation does describe the True Blue music videos as "mini-movies", but it does not group them together as an "era". Additionally, the citation describes the "La Isla Bonita" music video as "the Latin love story", but it does not refer to it as the "love story" for the overall True Blue music videos. So, those are two errors with how this citation is being used in the article.

Aside from that, I disagree with how this citation is used in the "Analysis and reception" section anyway. This citation is being used as part of a larger paragraph on the critical reception to the "La Isla Bonita" music video, and I do not think that the "love story" quote is really a review. It reads more like a description. This source could be used as a review, but I would instead focus on how the author is praising Madona's performance in the True Blue music videos.

Anyway, apologies for intruding on this discussion. Whether or not this was a result of AI usage, there is at least one point in the article that a citation is being misused and misrepresented. I would be curious if you double-checked any changes that were made in Hemingway Editor and ProWritingAid. It could be the case where these tools introduce errors, because they do not consider whether or not the prose is accurately representing a source. Aoba47 (talk) 19:52, 7 November 2025 (UTC)

Following up on this topic: have the issues been resolved in this article? If not, should this article go to WP:FAR? Z1720 (talk) 16:06, 14 December 2025 (UTC)

• Pinging @Gnomingstuff: (who originally brought up the concerns about AI text) and @Chrishm21: (who brought this article through the FAC process) so they can see the above question and message. Aoba47 (talk) 01:35, 15 December 2025 (UTC)

  Hello @Aoba47! I've removed the source because, as discussed above, it was being stretched beyond what it actually says. While it describes individual videos , it indeed doesn’t frame the True Blue videos as a unified era or provide evaluative reception. Rather than risk misrepresenting the source through rewording, it seemed cleaner to remove it. Let me know. Christian (talk) 14:46, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

  @Chrishm21: Given the issue with this source (and the overall concerns raised above), a more thorough source review would be beneficial to check for any other source issues in the article. Thank you for addressing this point, but more should be done, whether it is through opening a FAR or by having an extended discussion and review on this talk page. Aoba47 (talk) 02:12, 21 December 2025 (UTC)

  @FrB.TG: Apologies for the ping. I think that it would be a good idea to bring this through the FAR process in the near future. Aoba47 (talk) 01:15, 4 January 2026 (UTC)

  Aoba47, sorry for the late reply. I haven't checked the progress of the article but if in your opinion, issues with sources continue to exist, yes FAR would be the next logical step. FrB.TG (talk) 19:25, 10 January 2026 (UTC)

  @FrB.TG: Thank you for the response. I will leave that up to you, as you are more experienced in that area. Admittedly not a lot of progress has been made with the article. Not too be rude, but an issue with one of the sources (Classic Pop) was first raised back in October 23, and it was only addressed on December 20. I get that we all have lives and responsibilities outside of Wikipedia (as I am even on a WikiBreak myself), but that is not a great sign that progress is actively being made toward addressing this main issue.

  That being said, I will bow out here, and let the more experienced editors handle this, as my experience with WP:FAR is quite limited (and I am limiting my time on Wikipedia in general). I just hope that progress is made as this kind of LLM issue is a very serious issue for a FA and for Wikipedia in general. Thank you for the ping, and I hope that you are having a great start to your new year! Aoba47 (talk) 03:05, 11 January 2026 (UTC)

  Hi! @Aoba47 @FrB.TG

  Thanks for the response — I appreciate you taking the time. I just want to clarify one thing. While I did use standard grammar and copy-editing tools to help with clarity and flow, no information was invented or altered beyond what’s supported by the sources. Everything can be verified directly against the citations, and any close phrasing reflects sticking closely to the sources themselves.

  To address earlier concerns, I've removed the Classic Pop source entirely, so the article now relies only on sources that meet the reliability criteria. I also previously shared a Google Drive folder with screencaps from some of the book sources used, and I’m more than happy to share that again if helpful.

  At this point, specific, sentence-level feedback would really help so I can address issues directly and keep things moving forward.

  Thanks again and happy to keep working through this collaboratively. Christian (talk) 17:01, 13 January 2026 (UTC)

  I'm open to a source by source review. Christian (talk) 16:27, 13 January 2026 (UTC)

  I think that a source by source review would be the best option in this case. I wish you and everyone else involved the best of luck with it! I will let more editors who are more experienced in these areas handle this. Thank you for the kind words and for the clarification. I do appreciate that. Aoba47 (talk) 21:23, 13 January 2026 (UTC)

  Let me know when/how :) @Aoba47 Christian (talk) 14:36, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

@FrB.TG: Apologies for the ping, but I was wondering if this article should be taken through the WP:FAR in the future, as it has been several months now and the LLM tag and concerns are still active. Apologies if I am missing anything. My experience with WP:FAR is incredibly limited, and I am not fully certain about the process. And I would like to reiterate to @Chrishm21: that I had already said that I will be bowing out of this decision and I will be letting more epxerienced editors handle this. I hope that you are both doing well and that you are both having a great weekend so far. Aoba47 (talk) 01:23, 3 May 2026 (UTC)

@Aoba47, I just did some light spot-checking of some of the online sources (107, 41, 44, 35, 29, 47, 52, 115, 117, 187) and haven't found anything problematic so far. I'm not suggesting the original problems are solved but I don't have a solid enough case for FAR yet. We might need a deeper dive into offline sources first. @Gnomingstuff, perhaps you'd like to weigh in on this. As you originally identified these concerns, I'd value your perspective on whether a formal review is now warranted. FrB.TG (talk) 09:58, 11 May 2026 (UTC)

@FrB.TG: Thank you for the update and for the ping. I appreciate the time that you have put into checking the online sources. I would trust @Gnomingstuff:'s opinion on this matter, as they were the first person to notice this, and I believe that they have more experience with this matter in general. Apologies for not being much help with this matter. Aoba47 (talk) 14:42, 11 May 2026 (UTC)

There's no need to repeatedly ping me, I have said everything that I wanted to say and, realistically speaking, that will be listened to by anyone. Gnomingstuff (talk) 23:37, 22 June 2026 (UTC)