Talk:Kurmanji

Misleading information

Its a kurdish dialect and the section where you say dialects are actully accents and its not called sorani alphabet its called badini alphabet its also used in syria and also used in hakkari province and shirnax province this is according to kurditstan regional goverment eduction system Hogirkurdish15 (talk) 15:42, 31 May 2024 (UTC)

Southren kurmanji speakers don't use latin

hi southren kurmanji speakers don't use hawar alphabet they use abjed in everything our streets the shops names buildings names tvs all are in abjed https://www.ava.news/radio https://duhoktv.net/ .these are some of our most papular southren kurmanji channels https://www.deshtan.com/ and a site of southren kurmanji students Hogirkurdish15 (talk) 18:45, 6 January 2025 (UTC)

Requested move 7 May 2025

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 16:43, 23 June 2025 (UTC)

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Kurmanji → Northern KurdishNorthern Kurdish – The current title Kurmanji does not reflect the standard naming conventions used for Kurdish language varieties on wikipedia or in linguistic references. If we have Central Kurdish and Southern Kurdish, where is the Northern? Even the short description of the article says "a Northern Kurdish dialect", so is this article about the Northern Kurdish language group or only about the Kurmanji dialect? I'm confused, If it's about the dialect, then why do Kurmanji and Northern Kurdish redirect to each other? Either we separate them properly, or we call it what it is, Northern Kurdish. Academically and linguistically, the standard name is Northern Kurdish; even the ISO 639-3 code for kmr officially lists the language as Northern Kurdish, not Kurmanji. Famous Kurdish linguist Jamal Nebez also used Northern Kurdish instead of Kurmanji. This is Jamal Nebez's opinion about Kurmanji: Kirmanc/Kirmanj/Kurmanc. It is another word for the name "Kurd", which is why the Kurdish language is called Kurmanji language. Kurmanji is sometimes mistakenly used for Northern Kurdish by others. The term Kurmanji is often culturally synonymous with the name Kurd; Vladimir Minorsky stated that the word "Kurmanj" is composed of two elements: kurd + mannaea (Kurdomani > Kurdomanj > Kurdmanj). even in Wiktionary, only Northern Kurdish is used.

Authoritative linguistic sources use Northern Kurdish as the standard: Glottolog, Ethnologue, Linguasphere Register.

References

 Zemen  (talk) 18:55, 7 May 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 22:55, 14 May 2025 (UTC) — Relisting. Garsh (talk) 00:00, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Languages has been notified of this discussion. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 22:55, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

Should have done this earlier, but pinging @In ictu oculi, @Kaiduo, @Khestwol, @AjaxSmack, and @Doug Weller for comment, as this undoes the March 2019 RM. Jeffrey34555 (talk) 14:28, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

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• Oppose per this Ngram. KnowDeath (talk) 01:41, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

  Popularity isn't the point. the terms are not equivalent, Kurmanji just means Kurd, while Northern Kurdish is the proper linguistic term, as shown by expert sources.  Zemen  (talk) 12:26, 5 June 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME, most sources in this article using Kurmanji.Shadow4dark (talk) 08:29, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

  As I said, popularity isn't the point. A wrong name that many people used wrongly, should be change. I've simply explained in the request why the title is inaccurate and should be changed, just like we did with Central Kurdish. If you're not very familiar with the topic, please leave space for others who are.  Zemen  (talk) 13:02, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

Comment This should be publicized on the talk page of all relevant Wikiprojects. Doug Weller talk 13:32, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

• Weak support per WP:CONSISTENT with the other dialects, however Kurmanji appears to be the common name on both Google Books and Google Scholar Kowal2701 (talk) 15:38, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONTERM. Regardless of what the word “Kurmanji” means, it is still widely used to refer to the Northern Kurdish dialect and is more common than “Northern Kurdish”. You stated that according to Jamal Nebez's opinion.... Kurmanji is sometimes mistakenly used for Northern Kurdish by others However Jamal Nebez's opinion isn't accepted widely by others. Even in most highly-reliable academic sources (such as from Oxford University Press), Kurmanji is still widely used to refer to the northern dialect of Kurdish.

Some academic sources using "Kurmanji" to refer to the dialect

• Maher, John C. (2022-01-21), Maher, John C. (ed.), "Turkish, Kurdish, and Uyghur: Linguistic and political presence from the Meiji Period", Language Communities in Japan, Oxford University Press, p. 166

Kurdish is made up of a cluster of languages and dialects principally Kurmanji, Sorani, and Pehlewani, and spoken natively by a Kurdish diaspora in Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Armenia.

• Maher, John C. (2017-05-25), Maher, John C. (ed.), "(page 1)p. 1A multilingual world", Multilingualism: A Very Short Introduction, Oxford University Press, p. 1

The most widespread dialect of Kurdish is Kurmanji in south-eastern Turkey.

• Gündoğdu, Songül (2015-01-06), Manova, Stela (ed.), "Negation in Kurmanji", Affix Ordering Across Languages and Frameworks, Oxford University Press, p. 154

Kurmanji is a dialect of Kurdish, which is a member of the Western Iranian branch of Indo-European languages.

• Mankoff, Jeffrey (2022-04-19), "On the Margins of the Nation and the State: Turkey's Kurdish Borderland", Empires of Eurasia, Yale University Press, p. 110, doi:10.12987/yale/9780300248258.003.0006, ISBN 978-0-300-24825-8, retrieved 2025-06-22{{citation}}: CS1 maint: work parameter with ISBN (link)

Kurds are also divided along linguistic and tribal lines; the Kurmanji dialect spoken by most Kurdish inhabitants of southeastern Turkey, northwestern Iran, northern Iraq, and northern Syria is not mutually intelligible with the Sorani dialect spoken by Kurds elsewhere in Iraq and Iran, or with the Zaza language spoken by many Kurds in central Anatolia.

• Kerslake, Celia (2010-01-01). "Turkic-Iranian Contact Areas: Historical and Linguistic AspectsEdited by Lars Johanson and Christiane Bulut". Journal of Islamic Studies. 21 (1): 147–151. doi:10.1093/jis/etp078. ISSN 0955-2340.:

The next two contributions are both about Kurmanji, or rather, about the varieties of Kurmanji spoken in particular parts of Turkey. Geoffrey Haig, in his ‘Turkish influence on Kurmanji: Evidence from the Tunceli dialect’, defines Kurmanji as ‘the most important Kurdish dialect’, of which the variety spoken in the Tunceli area of Turkey (also referred to as a ‘dialect’) is a particular instantiation.

Apart from Ngram, I searched in various scholarship search engines and found "Kurmanji" more common than "Northern Kurdish" in all.

Engine	Kurmanji	Northern Kurdish
OUP	152	67
Cambridge University Press	14	3
JSTOR	591	231
Taylor & Francis	215	61
Brill Publishers	441	132

Koshuri ^(グ) 16:57, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 July 2025

I just want to add the -Xorasanê- dialectof Kurmanji Neophisis (talk) 23:22, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. What do you propose to add about it, and where? LizardJr8 (talk) 00:35, 24 July 2025 (UTC)