Talk:July Uprising

Requested move 19 January 2025

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Students–People's uprising (Bangladesh) → July Revolution (Bangladesh)July Revolution (Bangladesh) – Months ago, newspapers used to call this event as Student-People's uprising. But recently people, tv channels and reliable sources including newspapers started to adopt the name "July revolution" more than the previous name. As of WP:COMMONNAME, we can move it to "July Revolution (Bangladesh)". Mehedi Abedin 07:06, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

Pinging @UwU.Raihanur: and @Dilbaggg: as they were involved in the previous title discussion. Mehedi Abedin 07:08, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

It's been almost a week since the last vote, and there hasn't been much activity recently. So.... RAIHAN ⚡ Got something to say? 06:36, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose because we can't name something revolution like Islamic revolution of Iran it was a up spring by students. Calling something revolution requires certain criteria which doesn't meet with this one like a revolution is often result of prolonged efforts and struggle not a single resignation also it would require a strong ideological framework to reshape governance or society, not just change in leadership doesn't make sense. The resignation would need to result a shift which affecting the entire population such as a new political order or the empowerment of citizens and those shifts requires to be done imidiately after resignation not like aiming to do in future and doing nothing. So I strongly Oppose it cause a simple up spring and leadership change isn't a revolution.

Therealbey (talk) 16:14, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support for July Revolution (Bangladesh)

The term "Student-People's Uprising" fails to fully encapsulate the complexity and significance of the July Revolution. This movement was not limited to a singular event, but rather unfolded throughout the entire month of July, encompassing a series of actions and developments that shaped its course. Furthermore, the name does not do justice to the unique historical context of Bangladesh, where significant national movements have always seen the spontaneous and active participation of students, the general public, and often the military. For instance, the anti-autocracy movement in the 1990s and the pivotal Liberation War of 1971 both witnessed the involvement of these key groups, whose contributions were instrumental in shaping the outcomes of these movements. Given this recurring pattern, it raises the question: Should every movement in Bangladesh be defined solely by the participation of students, the public, and the military? Such a label risks oversimplifying and undermining the broader socio-political dynamics that fuel these critical struggles. Bruno pnm ars (talk) 21:58, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support for July Revolution (Bangladesh)

The name "Student-People's uprising" does not fully capture the essence of this movement. The core of the movement spanned the entire month of July. Additionally, this name doesn’t feel appropriate in the context of Bangladesh, where every significant movement has seen the spontaneous participation of students and the general people . Whether it was the anti-autocracy movement of the 1990s or the great Liberation War of 1971, students, the public, and the military all played vital roles. Should every movement then be named after students, the public, and the military? ApurboWiki2024 (talk) 09:25, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support for July Revolution (Bangladesh).

July Revolution is now more widely used in reliable sources, including recent media and academic references. Official materials like the NCTB textbooks of 2025 also adopt this term, demonstrating its growing recognition. Furthermore, the title Students–People's uprising (Bangladesh) is generic and does not clearly indicate the specific events of 2024, as there have been many protests in Bangladesh's history where students and the public have risen up. A more precise title like July Revolution (Bangladesh) is therefore warranted. UwU.Raihanur (talk) 07:36, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

• Strong Oppose: The movement ended in August, the title July Revolution is misleading. Old title fit better. UwU.Raihanur stated that there were many student protests in the past. That is not a valid reason and they have their own articles such as 1952 Language Movement, 2018 Anti Quota Protests , etc. No protests are named after months, do we call the 1952; Language Movement the February protests just because it happened in February? Naming a protest after a month is confusing as there have been numerous other protests in July. WP:RS agreed with the current title many sources refer it to as the Student-People Uprising. The title has become popularized and all of a sudden changing it to name it after a single month seems invalid. Many names are used for the protest, like Gen Z Revolution and so many more. The most widely used and well sourced name is the current one. Keep it as it is, that's my vote. Dilbaggg (talk) 08:17, 19 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Dilbaggg your logic is too poor. By your logic, the name "February Revolution" should also be changed, shouldn’t it? Ahammed Saad (talk) 08:07, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

Check out the pg 94 of the grade VII Bangla texbook Soptoborna issued by NCTB which uses "শিক্ষার্থী–জনতার অভ্যুত্থান ২০২৪" literally meaning Student–People's uprising 2024. Ahammed Saad (talk) 17:52, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Also check:

1. Class VIII | Sahitto-Konika | Page- 76
2. Class IX-X | Bangla 1st Paper | Page- 154 | Page 155
3. Class VI | Charupath | Page- 56

In those pages, the term "জুলাই অভ্যুত্থান" and "জুলাই গণঅভ্যুত্থান" are clearly mentioned, which means "July Uprising".

However, most of the reliable source uses the term "July Revolution" to refer the protest. I have already mentioned multiple sources with news links. RAIHAN ⚡ Got something to say? 18:44, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

If it mentions "July Uprising" then still it's not revolution it's upspring right? Therealbey (talk) 22:41, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

• @Dilbaggg For your kind information, this time UwU.Raihanur didn’t start the move discussion, so argument against his reasons will not work here. Also what reason you showed is not actually policy based argument. If you really want to oppose then I encourage you to argue based on specific Wikipedia guidelines and do a source analysis. Also the proposed title "has not" become popularized and all of a sudden, the two names were used simultaneously but in past Student–People's uprising was more used. But now it is July Revolution reliable sources use more. And that's what matter most here. Mehedi Abedin 17:37, 19 January 2025 (UTC::

What I am saying is certainly based on Wikipedia guidelines. What the supporters are doing is not. WP:Undue on July and you also admitted it's WP:Recentism. Also sources are referring it as the July-August Revolution not just July Revolution, if you want to change it so bad refer it to as the July-August Revolution. Here are sources that support it: , and more. A single month fails to capture the nature of the protest and gives false view that it only happened in July, if you want to change it, then change it to July-August Revolution to reflect the truth. Dilbaggg (talk) 04:22, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

@Dilbaggg Nope, I didn’t admit that it is recent. I stated that both names were used simultaneously and recently July revolution are used more than the previous name. So is that mean it is recent? Absolutely not. Also, Wikipedia is not here to reflect truth as you can see sometimes Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth matter. Wikipedia can't indicate through article title which is false view or not. As going against the WP:COMMONNAME would contradict WP:OR. We should focus on the most used name more than "truth" here. Also, we don't need to see if the name doesn’t reflect single month fails to capture the nature of the protest. Also, I think it will be better if we don't question about each other’s intention or indicate personally because saying "if you want to change it so bad" is totally off topic and will not help us on the discussion. Mehedi Abedin 14:27, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: I think July 24 Revolution (Bangladesh) or July 24 Revolution will be better to specify the year of the revolution. Niasoh ❯❯❯ Wanna chat? 07:17, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Niasoh It is not about specification, it is about the most used name for the subject. Mehedi Abedin 14:31, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Neutrally speaking, nothing can be called "revolution" randomly. An important criteria for being a revolution means a massive sociopolitical & constitutional change in the state. For example, Russian Revolution had changed Russia from a monarchy to a republic then a communist state. Iranian Revolution changed Iranian regime from a monarchy to an Islamic republic. Similar in Egypt, Egyptian Revolution of 2011 didn't changed the state structure, but paved way to adopt a new constitution. So in every case, we see that "revolution" is used for those civil uprisings were (1) a new fresh state entity or regime is born or (2) where a new constitution is adopted. This doesn't fit for Bangladesh. Yunus ministry isn't a revolutionary government. Nor the government structure or the constitution is changed. "July Revolution" is obviously a popular name I agree, but standards should be maintained in naming. There are many uprisings called "revolution" in the respective countries, but does Wikipedia article name them "revolution"?
  
  You are welcome to correct me if you find anything inaccurate. Ahammed Saad (talk) 07:57, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

  @Ahammed Saad I understand. But, there is nothing about the standard you saying in Wikipedia. And many reliable publications and books in high schools are using the name now. We have to reach consensus in this discussion which will help us in the long run. Mehedi Abedin 14:40, 20 January 2025 (UTC)

  Many other sources also use July–August Revolution. Also we have sources saying July uprising or Student–People's Revolution. I think both names overlap due to popular usage. Also we should avoid any month's name to avoid any confusion, which is confusing some editors like @Dilbaggg.

  Another point, do you have any source for the textbook usage of the name in the new books? Maybe it would help to specify the name. Ahammed Saad (talk) 14:12, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  Check this:

  • Somoy TV

  RAIHAN ⚡ Got something to say? 15:06, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  @UwU.Raihanur how is it relevant here?? Ahammed Saad (talk) 17:48, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  Somoy TV is not a WP:RELY, as per 2 previous discussion on, Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 340#Reliability of Somoy News and Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 361#Reliability of Somoy News. As well as fact-checking verification → — Bruno pnm ars (talk) 18:01, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

  You can't use nctb or some news websites which is biased towards govt. Therealbey (talk) 22:44, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

  Weak oppose as I and the @Therealbey highlighted the reason previously, which I still want to remain in favour. But July Revolution is also become a popular name per the sources provided by the other users. So, I don't want to go to a strong opposition to the proposal, weakly oppose it. Ahammed Saad (talk) 10:57, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

  @ApurboWiki2024, @Bruno pnm ars, @Mehedi Abedin, @Niasoh, @Stranger43286, @UwU.Raihanur, @BangladeshiEditorInSylhet Guys, I request you to check out a report of The Business Standard on Iqbal Karim Bhuiyan (IKB), the former Chief of Army Staff, in YouTube, where he explained why the events of July 2024 can't be called a "revolution" but an "uprising". Ahammed Saad (talk) 17:24, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

  @Ahammed Saad Doesn’t matter. We don't base our discussion on who is saying what, we should discuss based on WP:COMMONNAME because the name is the subject is actually a term in nature. Mehedi Abedin 17:30, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: The sources refer it to as July-August Revolution which is a better term as it captures both months the protests happened. Dilbaggg (talk) 03:49, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

  Why don't you show us how many sources use "July-August Revolution" as the subject is better known as only "July Revolution"? Mehedi Abedin 04:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

I already gave two out of many WP:RS above: , . You fail to show that July Revolution has more backing by WP:RS than current title. What's more the protest had two phases, the second called Non Cooperation Movement happened entirely in August. So July Revolution is totally misleading. Dilbaggg (talk) 07:48, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

It doesn't matter when the protest happened; most of the popular local sources use the term July Revolution. For Example:

1. Prothom Alo
2. The Daily Star (1)
3. The Daily Star (2)
4. Dhaka Tribune
5. SOMOY TV

UwU.Raihanur (talk) 11:40, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

I already gave two WP:RS for July-August Revolution here are two more and even after these there are many more. Many terms have been used to refer to this protest, each has sources that doesn't make one better than the other just because you think so. Even so July Revolution is a poor title as it fails to capture the protest lasting till August, and various other protests in history happened in July. This is my last comment in this, I already gave two sources for July-August Revolution, here are two more making it four and even after that there are many more: , . Dilbaggg (talk) 09:56, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Well you are saying that "July revolution" is poor title because the uprising ended in August! Yes it is true that there are other protests happened in July. But you are missing something here - many protests happened in July but they are not all known by the month, only some of them. And some of them are known by the month because of WP:COMMONNAME and WP:RS. What you showed is not quite policy based argument. Now let's analyse the sources, this source you provided is actually an opinion piece. The writer of this piece wrote many like this on other outlets. this source you provided calls the movement as "August Revolution" and it didn’t use the term "July–August Revolution". this from Dhaka Tribune was published on 28 October, the same outlet switched the name to "July Revolution" on 29 November (see this) so we can say the name was short-lived. And the last source you provided is actually a blog site! Its about us section tell us that (see for yourself). I didn’t feel the need to provide sources for the term "July Revolution" because first the previous discussion started by someone had that and second you opposed and proposed another title but didn’t provide policy based argument. And for that I suggested you to at least provide source analysis so that we can better understand why your proposed title is suitable based on Wikipedia guidelines. But I guess this is your last comment. Let's see what other users say. Mehedi Abedin 11:03, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

If we are talking about common name then it is because it's the result of how current govt of Bangladesh is/want to portray it. Big international media doesn't call it a "Revolution" rather it was a upspring by students if we saw the news of that time they also mentions it as upspring not revolution and also whole Bangladesh citizens didn't participate in it according to news it was specifically "Student uprising". Now if we see other real revolution for example Iranian revolution which changed whole system of Iranian governance from monarchy to Islamic democracy, leadership posts, election system of supreme leader, whole constitution into shari'a and lot more. And those happened really quickly we can classify this one as a revolution. Not a upspring which just changed the leader. Therealbey (talk) 16:26, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support as the emerging WP:COMMONNAME. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 12:15, 21 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support per WP:COMMONNAME. AimanAbir18plus (talk) 19:04, 23 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support for July Revolution (Bangladesh)

"July Revolution" is becoming more popular term. We should move July Revolution to July Revolution (France) and July Revolution (disambiguation) to July Revolution. RealStranger43286 (talk) 10:18, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

@Stranger43286 This move discussion is only about Student-People's uprising. Also it is not possible to move July Revolution to July Revolution (France) because of WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Mehedi Abedin 11:05, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose. I can't see "July Revolution" is being widely used. Maybe 2024 Bangladesh revolution? I don't think there is a widely used name that meets WP:COMMONNAME, so we should go with the best descriptive name per WP:NDESC. Vpab15 (talk) 17:16, 27 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support but move to 2024 Bangladeshi revolution like 2011 Egyptian revolution. This article is already being criticized in the media. Read this: https://sherlockbd.substack.com/p/wikipedia-and-the-hindutva-war-against?utm_source=post-banner&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=posts-open-in-app&triedRedirect=true --180.92.235.18 (talk) 14:31, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

  Unreliable sources. They don’t check the talk page. Majority yet support renaming to the July Revolution or July uprising. RealStranger43286 (talk) 14:40, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

  Reliable sources call this a revolution. Per Wikipedia precedent it should be renamed like the 2011 Egyptian revolution to 2024 Bangladeshi revolution. 180.92.235.18 (talk) 14:47, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

  2024 Bangladeshi Revolution is not possible because it is not WP:COMMONNAME, while July Revolution and July uprising is common name. RealStranger43286 (talk) 15:02, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

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Bad grammar

There are some grammatical issues that affect understanding. For examples, in the introductory section:

It began as a quota reform movement in quota rule of getting government jobs in early June 2024, led by the Students Against Discrimination in chances of getting jobs. After this Supreme Court of Bangladesh invalidated the government's 2018 circular regarding job quotas in the public sector

I would correct the writing, but I am not sure what it is trying to say. ~2025-34084-84 (talk) 02:27, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

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Requested move 4 February 2026

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The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – LuniZunie_(talk) 16:16, 18 February 2026 (UTC)

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July Revolution (Bangladesh) → July uprisingJuly uprising – As per WP: COMMONNAME. Almost all media portals and government of Bangladesh till now uses "July uprising" not "revolution" A$ianeditorz (talk) 12:40, 4 February 2026 (UTC) A$ianeditorz (talk) 12:40, 4 February 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. TarnishedPath^talk 14:34, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

• Support for July Uprising, not July uprising : July Charter (link) and July Declaration (link) both use the term "Uprising" instead of "Revolution". — Raihanur (talk) 13:54, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose : Use July Uprising alongside July Revolution in the article. No need to change the headline. See:

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Beylarbey (talk) 18:42, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

• Support per nom Ahammed Saad (talk) 18:42, 7 February 2026 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Mehedi Abedin 05:55, 5 February 2026 (UTC)
• Support per nom. Therealbey (talk) 08:11, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Sociology/Social movements task force, WikiProject Human rights, WikiProject Bangladesh, and WikiProject Sociology have been notified of this discussion. TarnishedPath^talk 14:36, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

Support per nom. DPRKBEST (talk) 02:34, 16 February 2026 (UTC)

• Support per nom Sàádî (talk) 10:29, 16 February 2026 (UTC)

  Support per nom. Marxsafe (talk) 09:57, 17 February 2026 (UTC)

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