Talk:Flamingo Revolution

Requested move 5 June 2026

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Majority of consensus supports per WP:COMMONNAME, after the move review and relisting. As explained, most sources about the protest cite the name. (non-admin closure) Fortek67 (talk) 12:21, 21 June 2026 (UTC)

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2026 Zvërnec protests → Flamingo Revolution – See rationale provided below by VitoxxMass. Lanceloth345 (talk) 16:24, 5 June 2026 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 18:16, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

Numerous reliable sources dub the protests as "Flamingo Revolution", especially since the protests are no longer localized. VitoxxMass (talk) 16:04, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

There are many sources referring to the protests as the "Flamingo Revolution":

• Reuters - [the protests] have been dubbed the Flamingo Revolution
• Politico Europe {2} - Albania's growing 'flamingo revolution' targets Jared Kushner resort & The protest movement, dubbed the 'flamingo revolution' due to the prevalence of the bird at the proposed development site
• Le Monde - The anti-corruption and environmental activists behind the protests that have been shaking up Albania since Saturday, May 30, are now calling it the "Flamingo Revolution."
• ABC News Australia - It's why mass protests against the project have been dubbed the "flamingo revolution".
• CBS News - Activists have dubbed it the "Flamingo Revolution," adopting the pink flamingo as a symbol of the wildlife they say will be destroyed if the project goes ahead.
• Al Jazeera - The protests, which erupted in the village of Zvernec on the southern coastline where the resort is planned, have been dubbed the Flamingo Revolution
• Die Welt - Auch in Beiträgen in sozialen Medien taucht er auf, begleitet von der Überschrift "die Flamingo-Revolution" [translation: it also appears in social media posts, accompanied by the headline "the Flamingo Revolution."]
• BalkanInsight - Longstanding grievances that predate Kushner's resort project permeated the crowds converging on central Tirana, a groundswell of anger dubbed the 'Flamingo Revolution'. "It's not just about the pelican and the flamingo anymore," said Merita Mahilaj, 33, holding her four-year-old daughter. "Zvernec was the spark. It was that man being dragged away. But the truth is, we've simply had enough."
• Courthouse News Service - It's dubbed the "flamingo revolution" — a surge of anger and protest against longtime Albanian Prime Minister Edi Rama and his cozy relationship with Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump
• Osservatorio Balcani Caucaso Transeuropa - The protest, whose symbol became the flamingo, was dubbed the "Flamingo Revolution"
• Radio Free Europe - Mes protestave të ashtuquajtura “Revolucioni i Flamingove” në Shqipëri, që shpërthyen kundër një projekti turistik luksoz dhe u zgjeruan si një lëvizje më e gjerë kundër qeverisë, është thelluar edhe përplasja diplomatike dhe retorike mes Tiranës dhe Teheranit. [translation: Amid the so-called "Flamingo Revolution" protests in Albania, which erupted against a luxury tourism project and expanded into a broader movement against the government, the diplomatic and rhetorical clash between Tirana and Tehran has deepened.]
• Kosov 2.0 - Kjo valë protestash ndryshe po quhet "Revolucioni i flamingove" [translation: This wave of protests is being called the "Flamingo Revolution"]
• Shteg - Mosbesimi ndaj mënyrës se si merret vendimi për të ardhmen bashkoi mijëra shqiptarë në "revolucionin e flamingove" - [translation: Distrust in the way decisions about the future are made united thousands of Albanians in the "flamingo revolution"]
• Monitor.al - Revolucioni i Flamingove nisi nga një shqetësim konkret mbi natyrën ... Por ajo që pasoi e kaloi shumë shpejt kufirin e një debati mjedisor. Ajo që po shohim është zgjimi i një brezi që nuk pranon më të heshtë, një brez që kërkon të ketë zë mbi vendin ku jeton, mbi hapësirat që trashëgon dhe mbi të ardhmen që i përket. Flamingoja, në këtë histori, nuk është thjesht simbol natyre. Është bërë simbol estetik, emocional dhe qytetar. [translation: The Flamingo Revolution began with a concrete concern for nature ... But what followed quickly crossed the line of an environmental debate. What we are seeing is the awakening of a generation that no longer accepts silence, a generation that wants to have a voice over the place it lives in, over the spaces it inherits and over the future it belongs to. The flamingo, in this story, is not simply a symbol of nature. It has become an aesthetic, emotional and civic symbol.]
• Wired Italy - Cos’è la "rivoluzione dei fenicotteri" che sta scuotendo l’Albania (e cosa c'entra Trump) [translation: What is the "flamingo revolution" shaking up Albania (and what does Trump have to do with it)]
• Reporterre - En quelques jours, le flamant rose, cet oiseau migrateur présent par milliers dans les marais salants et le lagon de Narta, s'est imposé comme le symbole de ce mouvement inédit. Sur leur T-shirt et leurs drapeaux, beaucoup de manifestants proclament déjà la « révolution des flamants roses » [translation: In just a few days, the pink flamingo—a migratory bird found by the thousands in the Narta salt pans and lagoon—has established itself as the symbol of this unprecedented movement. On their T-shirts and flags, many protesters are already proclaiming the "Pink Flamingo Revolution."
• El Salto - El movimiento ha sido bautizado como la "Revolución de los flamencos", en referencia a las aves que habitan la laguna de Narta, en Zvërnec. Ciudadanos vestidos de rosa y utilizando el flamenco como símbolo se han convertido en la imagen del movimiento, transformando a este ave en un emblema de resistencia contra la construcción en zonas protegidas y contra la concentración del poder político y económico. [translation: The movement has been dubbed the "Flamingo Revolution," a reference to the birds inhabiting the Narta Lagoon in Zvërnec. Citizens dressed in pink and adopting the flamingo as a symbol have become the face of the movement, transforming the bird into an emblem of resistance against construction in protected areas and the concentration of political and economic power.]
• Radio Free Europe - Protesti poznati kao "Flamingo revolucija" dobili su ovo ime zbog velike prisutnosti flamingosa na području gdje je planirana izgradnja luksuznog turističkog rizorta. [translation: The protests known as the "Flamingo Revolution" got this name because of the large presence of flamingos in the area where the construction of a luxury tourist resort is planned.]
• Večernji list - Prosvjedi, koji traju već deveti dan, poznati su pod nazivom "flamengo revolucija" jer je planirana gradnja luksuznog resorta na području koje predstavlja stanište plamenaca. [translation: The protests, which have been going on for nine days, are known as the "Flamingo Revolution" because a luxury resort is planned to be built in an area that is a flamingo habitat.]
• 021.rs - Protesti u Albaniji, koji su nazvani "Flamingo revolucija", po flamingosima koji žive u zaštićenom području, održavaju se sedmi dan zaredom i intenzivirali su se tokom vikenda, uz pozive za ostavku premijera Edija Rame. [translation: Protests in Albania, dubbed the "Flamingo Revolution" after the flamingos that live in a protected area, have been taking place for the seventh day in a row and intensified over the weekend, with calls for the resignation of Prime Minister Edi Rama.]

Lots of references to the "Flamingo Revolution", as you can see here. ~2026-34151-47 (talk) 09:25, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

Comment Non-English sources don't matter per WP:ENGLISH. This is the English Wikipedia. Article titles should match English-language reliable sources. ESB5415 13:13, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

Comment: I'd argue they're only supporting the English-speaking sources here. The English-speaking sources are following the Albanians here, not the other way around. Fallbackintoreality (t • c) 07:02, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

I Support renaming of page title too, as per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:RECOGNIZABILITY. Lanceloth345 (talk) 09:51, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

I also Support this page name below : Albania's Flamingo Revolution. Lanceloth345 (talk) 07:21, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

I Support. RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 10:16, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Support Flamingo Revolution in Albania amps (talk) 17:21, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Support It's not only about Zvërnec anymore. Matete Plays (talk) 22:03, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Support because it is now a more notable name. Qhairun (talk) 07:28, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Support for the same reason A Nerdy Hedgehog (talk) 22:36, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Additionally I think the name 2026 Flamingo Protests may be more suitable than the use of the word "revolution" A Nerdy Hedgehog (talk) 19:56, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

Or the 2026 Albanian protests, since it is nation-wide. Daddynnoob (talk) 10:41, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Support great change Kgeo2.0 (talk) 09:17, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

Support but would prefer Flamingo Protests; a revolution in my reading, and according to e.g. Merriam-Webster, "a sudden, radical, or complete change". What we are seeing is calling for a change, but we're not there yet. Yakikaki (talk) 11:12, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

Support as per nomination.Nazir Sanghi (talk) 11:59, 7 June 2026 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 12:00, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

Support per nom due to name being notable. Hotrodguy84 (talk) 14:50, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

(Moved user:Hotrodguy84's vote to here. --George Ho (talk) 18:31, 8 June 2026 (UTC))

Concur that the protests are no longer localized to Zvërnec, but rather expanded to all of Albania as a whole. Support the title 2026 Albanian protests instead, as sources from AP and Euronews don't have a specified name, only the general title of protests. CastleFort1 (talk) 15:01, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

Support as it is evidently the common name. In solidarity, FantasticWikiUser_{(Ts and Cs)} 19:35, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

Support because the new name is more notable and the protests have spread outside of Zvërnec. Sloe-moe77 (talk) 19:41, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

Comment: The problem I see with calling the article Flamingo Protests is that the term doesn't have common usage like Flamingo Revolution does. If people are insistent on not calling it a revolution, there is no common name to use; the article should be 2026 Albanian protests or remain 2026 Zvërnec protests as per Wikipedia:NCWWW. (To be clear for the discussion closer, this comment isn't in support of those titles as opposed to Flamingo Revolution.) BappleBusiness^[talk] 20:36, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

Agree with the sentiment here, that "Flamingo Revolution" is preferable to "Flamingo Protests", based on common name reasoning. ~2026-30415-19 (talk) 20:54, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Albania and WikiProject Environment have been notified of this discussion. QalasQalas (talk) 22:10, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

Strong oppose move to Flamingo Revolution. I'm entirely unconvinced the coverage we have so far constitutes a "common name" as of yet (though, as with anything threatening to spill over into a revolution, that's subject to change). Until I see more sources with that beyond those I've seen, this article should not be moved there.

Re:notability, a name being attested in sources justifies adding it to the article but does not automatically entail a move (plus, one of the sources cited in the nom is for an avian wildlife advocacy group, and obviously is biased in favor of using the name). As for the frequent rationale that "protests are no longer limited to Zvërnec", I'd therefore support a move to 2026 Albanian protests for the time being, to reflect its current WP:NCWWW conventions. Again, I'm not opposed to moving if more sources show up using the name, but right now I didn't see the name anywhere on BBC, AP, or Al-Jazeera articles on this subject. Departure– (talk) 01:21, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Comment Also, to anyone closing this on SNOW, please see WP:HEADCOUNT--a lot of these !votes (which I recognize are all in good faith) don't have solid rationales nor cite the nom. Departure– (talk) 01:24, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

(Moved the vote and addendum by User:Departure– to be chronological. --George Ho (talk) 18:31, 8 June 2026 (UTC))

Comment: As the alternative 2026 Albanian protests has been put forward, if you are considering supporting a move because the current title doesn't reflect that the protests are not just in Zvërnec, please also remember to have a rationale for why it should be moved to either Flamingo Revolution or 2026 Albanian protests instead of the other (or, alternatively, why it should be moved to some other title). ⹃Maltazarian ^{ᚾparley$\lor$investigateᛅ} 03:08, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Support per nom. — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 04:21, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Support per Yakikaki's suggestion. FerIow 09:10, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

• Move to 2026 Albanian protests per others, especially CastleFort1 and Departure. I question editors' need to vote for the original proposal without further argument. Perhaps, despite increasing amount of votes, I don't mind this discussion being relisted, especially since this topic is very recent of this year. A move to "Flamingo Revolution" merely based on plethora of !support votes is something that a closer would have to think at least twice before doing so. George Ho (talk) 18:39, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

  Support - 2026 Albanian protests as per latest protests are more focused in different causes than flamingo-s. Lanceloth345 (talk) 18:32, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

• Reopening the discussion per move review. Chaotic Enby (in solidarity · talk · contribs) 18:25, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

  Support also It's being called "The Flamingo Revolution" by everyone in Albania and international news. Protest is not only in Zvernec it's all over Albania and it's against the whole corrupt system of Albanian politics. Protesters are against the whole Parliament both ruling party and opposition, since they work together to fill the pockets of oligarchs and have left Albanians and institutions suffering. Corruption and nepotism is rampant from the top of government to schools, hospitals, police and much more. Albanians want a better nation are not having it anymore and they have been protesting everywhere even in the diaspora and some are even flying back to Albania just to join the protest. This is the biggest anti-government protest since the protests that removed communism in Albania. BBB2021 (talk) 22:49, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

  • Comment: The protests began as a response to the planned development in the Zvërnec–Sazan area and concerns about the flamingo habitat. Since then, their focus has broadened considerably, with many demonstrations and slogans directed at Albania's political establishment more generally rather than a single project. For that reason, 2026 Albanian anti-establishment protests may better reflect the current scope of the movement than a title tied only to its original environmental cause.

  Lanceloth345 (talk) 08:18, 21 June 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose move to "Flamingo Revolution", support move to "2026 Albanian protests". Protests are no longer localized, but it has not yet resulted in anything that could be accurately described as a "revolution" and the protests are driven by issues beyond the environmental concerns of the island.--Tdl1060 (talk) 19:29, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

Strong Support Everyone is calling it that now Setarip (talk) 22:13, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

Support move to either Flamingo Revolution or 2026 Albanian protests. The protest is not localized anymore — VORTEX³⁴²⁷ (Talk!) 03:54, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

Support per nom. Versions111 (talk • contribs) 07:22, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

@Versions111 Support. Dulere scientia (talk) 11:45, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

• Comment Numerous reliable sources dub the protests as "Flamingo Revolution"—most of the sources cited under that comment are articles where the title contains words like "Albania" and "protests" and later in the body of the text it is mentioned that locals are calling it the "Flamingo Revolution". The locals are by and large not speaking English, so this mention offers no evidence as to what English-speakers are calling it. In terms of the use–mention distinction, Wikipedia goes by what name English sources use, not what names they mention. jnestorius^(talk) 11:36, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose move to "Flamingo Revolution" per jnestorius, Departure, and CastleFort1. Non-English sources should not be counted per WP:COMMONNAME, specifically [Wikipedia] generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources). Support move to "2026 Albanian protests" due to the protests being nationwide. Protests is favored over Revolution due to the fact that, well, it isn't a revolution. And, articles consistently refer to the protests as "Albanian Protests" and then say that locals are dubbing the movement "flamingo revolution". ESB5415 13:07, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
• Move to 2026 Albanian protests, as the protests are much bigger than that, oppose Flamingo Revolution: sources are saying people are calling it the "Flamingo Revolution" (generally in quotes), but they do not appear to be using the term themselves. Danski454 (talk) 14:42, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

• Support, change to Flamingo Revolution or Flamingo Protests in Albania (2026) AbroadDE (talk) 09:20, 12 June 2026 (UTC)
• Strong Support change to Flamingo Revolution as that is what it is being reffered to across the world, from what I have read. Ktkvtsh (talk) 02:40, 13 June 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose move to "Flamingo Revolution".Support move to "2026 Albanian protests". The current title is obviosuly too narrow now that the protests have spread beyond Zvernec, but I'm not convinced Flamingo Revolution is the settled common name yet. Several sources mention oe quote the name, but major coverage still often describes the events more generally as Albanian protests over the Kushner-linked resort and related environmental/governance issues. Let's avoid a premature catchy title during a fast-moving event and use a neutral descriptive title for now. We can revisit if usage stabilizes around "Flamingo Rebolution" (likely if the protests persist/intensify and produce some kind of major consequences). Mooonswimmer 10:20, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

Relisting comment: relisting for clearer consensus. – robertsky (talk) 18:16, 13 June 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose move to "Flamingo Revolution", Support move to "2026 Albanian protests"; per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:ENGLISH. I've yet to see supporters of the move to "Flamingo Revolution" display an WP:ESTABLISHED usage of the term in English-language RSes. TheAlienAdventures (talk) 18:53, 13 June 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose I never know how to handle it when sources use words that may not be correct. In this case, yes, sources say Flamingo Revolution, but is it a revolution? We don't know yet. The word revolution is maybe coined by hopeful protestors, but for me, for an article to be called a something-revolution, I would first like to see that it was, in fact, a revolution. Probably this is not in the WP guidelines, but we can still think for ourselves. Lova Falk (talk) 08:21, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

  I don't think it matters if this is a "proper" revolution or not, whatever that looks like. If it's the common name, and that's how the sources are reporting on it, then that is good enough for the title of the article. ~2026-34151-47 (talk) 22:22, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

• Strong Support, it is the common name and used by the majority. Iaof2017 (talk) 12:25, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

• Support per nom. :Oneequalsequalsone (talk | contribs) 15:19, 15 June 2026 (UTC)
• Support as the more common name used for these protests. //SHB2000 (talk) 01:40, 16 June 2026 (UTC)
• Support, increasingly becoming the WP:COMMONNAME. See the following articles: Bloomberg, Politico, El País, The Guardian, Le Monde, Vox News, etc. ~2026-34151-47 (talk) 18:53, 16 June 2026 (UTC)
• Support Literally everyone calls it this Yung Doohickey (talk) 17:14, 17 June 2026 (UTC)
• Support per WP:COMMONNAME as above. GreyJackJack (talk) 16:55, 18 June 2026 (UTC)
• Support common name. charlotte ^👸♥ 21:04, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

Strong Support, clearly the WP:COMMONNAME Jhowie_Nitnek (talk) 20:14, 20 June 2026 (UTC)

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Inclusion of "Anti-Israel protests" in infobox

The sources in the article state that most of the antisemitic or anti-Israeli rhetoric about "colonization" (as noted in the footnote) are mostly online, and in one source says such claims are generally condemned by the protestors themselves. Furthermore, the only notability we could truly ascribe to this marginal movement was the Israeli foreign minister mentioning it. But Wikipedia does not use Sergei Lavrov as a source for notability, so I think the same standard should be applied to the comments by the Israeli foreign minister (Which can still be included in the article, but probably not the infobox, because it being in the infobox gives the impression they are of some higher importance)

_⛿ WeaponizingArchitecture | yell at me 16:18, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

I believe the way it was showcased meets WP:DUE, as it clearly specifies it is a small faction within the wider protest. Also, no, this group was NOT only mentioned by the ambassdor, but by Rama himself, when he referred to "enemies of Albania and Israel", this is verifiable in the source within the article too. Numerous other articles also mention the presence of these elements. The coverage of such a fringe is too wide to just be ignored. VitoxxMass (talk) 18:18, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

As someone mentioned in another talk page post, someone said it could be put into the article to try and discredit the protestors, and since the only source posted here in this talk page that gives those fringe protestors a positive angle is Jacobin (NOT an RS) I find it's inclusion to be POV pushing on both sides here. _⛿ WeaponizingArchitecture | yell at me 03:44, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

(Jacobin is "marginally reliable" [definition] at WP:RSP#Jacobin.) LightNightLights (talk • contribs) 08:33, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

Marginally reliable is NOT strong enough to put an entire page under a contentious topic restriction. _⛿ WeaponizingArchitecture | yell at me 14:13, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

Oppose categorisation as part of Arab-Israel conflict.

I strongly oppose this article being included into this: "This page is related to the Arab–Israeli conflict, a contentious topic.". Its only function appears to be to give the Albanian PM a small stone to throw towards the protests. Albanians are not arabs, and are not involved in the Arab-Israel conflict. I understand the editing restrictions must subsist for other reasons, but this description and categorisation of the article and the protests is entirely inadeguate and disgraceful. Thank you! ‎G. L. Talk 20:19, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Support - As per reasons mentioned. Lanceloth345 (talk) 20:41, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

Strong Support - It never made sense at all to be categorized into that. Matete Plays (talk) 21:19, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

• @GLOBALIST LIBERTARIAN, Lanceloth345, and Matete Plays: Shall VitoxxMass who categorised the protests as such (diff) and/or The Bushranger who EC-protected this page be pinged about this? --George Ho (talk) 22:18, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

  I think yes, to have an consensus based on article actual sources. Lanceloth345 (talk) 22:59, 8 June 2026 (UTC)

  The EC protection did not come from that. It was added due to vandalism and disruption. As per the categorisation, I'd like to apologise and support. The EC Protection should stay as it had a valid reasoning. VitoxxMass (talk) 20:48, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

This article should really be categorised under Balkans or Eastern Europe instead of (or maybe in addition to) its current classification. Danski454 (talk) 00:38, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

Extremely Strong Support I am sick and tired of editors POV-Pushing their views of the Arab-Israeli conflict on completely unrelated pages. As I said here before, we do not use Sergei Lavrov as a source on notability, and also the POV push could either be "see look at these antisemites!" or "these people want to FREE palestine!" It's ridiculous. _⛿ WeaponizingArchitecture | yell at me 14:16, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

Support: also considering the Albanians essentially kicked out all the people who tried to equate the Flamingo Revolution to Israel out of said movement, it’s also obsolete. MarbleMax (talk) 21:13, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

Is Rama/Albania in Trump's Gaza Board of Peace (BoP)? Answer: "The struggle is linked to the Trump administration in more ways than one. On the other side of the Mediterranean, Albanian forces are preparing to enter the Gaza Strip, as one of four states potentially committing boots on the ground via Donald Trump’s widely reviled Board of Peace." (-> Albanians Are Against Jared Kushner’s Israel-Linked Venture, 8 June 2026) Rama, "one of the most toadyish allies to Donald Trump and Israel", has ruled Albania since 2013. Trump, the Great Chairman of the BoP for life, has asserted that the authority of the BoP will be expanded to other conflicts beyond Gaza. Trump and his son-in-law are neither Arab nor Israeli, but crucial part of the conflict.

Consider: The protesters link the Albanian resort project to US geopolitical efforts and Trump's business initiatives in the Middle East. In fact, the two projects (BoP & resort) overlap politically: the Rama government maintains very close ties with Kushner and the Trump. In exchange for the approval of Kushner’s resort, Albania has agreed, among other things, to provide troops for the BoP stabilization forces in Gaza. --~2026-34023-23 (talk) 17:54, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

Jacobin is not a reliable source, especially since it's written by a massive amount of people in varying degrees of factuality. _⛿ WeaponizingArchitecture | yell at me 03:40, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

Albanians are among the most pro-American people on Earth, and as such (anecdotally), attempts to make this into an America or even Trump thing have been shut down by most Albanians as foreign misreadings. — Knightoftheswords 18:09, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

What rationale was even given for categorizing this as being related to the Israel-Palestine conflict? Can an editor just slap that label on any article (which inherently restricts involvement by users), without some sort of process? I assume there was a reason for this, but what was it? ~2026-30415-19 (talk) 18:55, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

• Update: Able to remove the a-i part (one related to WP:ARBPIA5) and then inserted the ECR parameter. I'll leave this discussion open for now. George Ho (talk) 22:12, 10 June 2026 (UTC); undone, 02:24, 11 June 2026 (UTC)
  • The article was protected under A-I because of disruption related to the conflict, especially references to the war with Iran. A reminder that A-I, while often shortened to PIA, is not "the Israel-Palestine conflict", it is "the Arab-Israeli conflict", and the war with Iran has been, by Arbcom decision, explicitly included within that CT's scope. It was protected under A-I, instead of EE (which it does, in fact, absolutely fall within) as the disruption leading to the protection was directly related to A-I. The A-I based ECP expires in four days. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:50, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

    Such disruption should have just been ruled as POV pushing, especially since any mention of Israel in RS has been "some social media accounts were posting conspiracy theories" and "some government officials said so" (officials who have an interest in oversizing said fringe)

    I don't think that's notable enough _⛿ WeaponizingArchitecture | yell at me 03:45, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

Basically, a mix of Jared Kushner being in the Trump family, weird forms of anti-Semitism, mainstream media being stupid, and when the protests started, there were people trying to make it about Israel. Thankfully, since Balkan politics is hilarious, Albanians are enlightened folk when it comes to this, and promptly kicked all of this in the proverbial groin. Mostly.

Honestly, ever since 2020, the idea of “What is truly political?” has gone down the drain, with seemingly everything getting politicized. Not even The Witness is safe. THE WITNESS. MarbleMax (talk) 21:49, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

Also what Bushranger mentioned already. MarbleMax (talk) 21:51, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

This article needs better images asap!

Somebody with the know how needs to give this article a decent images of the protests. The current images criminally understate how big these protests are. Thank you! ‎G. L. Talk 21:11, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

How’s this? https://imagenes.elpais.com/resizer/v2/HFNZEKKIRZK7XABL7DPTFYNJW4.jpg?auth=d205d04e7a94c52bc911f2a58d0d1d3aaf31ef6c55006912193a3b1d47d254d3&width=1200 MarbleMax (talk) 21:25, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

Infobox protesters section should better reflect the broader civic and anti-government character of the protests

I think the “parties” section of the infobox currently gives a misleading impression of who the protesters are. It mainly lists local residents, environmentalists, the New Civic Movement, civil society organizations, and a few supporting parties. Those groups are relevant, but the infobox now makes the protest side look narrower and more organized around specific small groups than the sources suggest.

Recent reporting describes the protests as a much broader civic mobilization. The Zvërnec project was the trigger, but the protests have expanded into wider demonstrations against Edi Rama’s government, corruption, lack of transparency, poor public services, and the wider Albanian political establishment. Reuters reported that protesters chanted “New Albania” outside Rama’s office and linked the project to broader frustration with corruption and the political system.

"Albania protests swell as opposition to Kushner resort persists". Reuters. 10 June 2026. Retrieved 10 June 2026.

Reuters also reported that protesters were “venting a litany of grievances” against Rama’s 13-year tenure and that some said they would continue until he resigned.

"Albania's Rama vows to push on with Kushner-linked luxury resort despite protests". Reuters. 8 June 2026. Retrieved 10 June 2026.

The Guardian also described the protests as having gone beyond an environmental issue and becoming a wider citizen movement.

"Protests in Albania grow over Jared Kushner-backed luxury resort". The Guardian. 4 June 2026. Retrieved 10 June 2026.

Because of this, I think the infobox should be revised so the protest side is not presented mostly as a list of small groups. A better summary would be something like:

• Protesters / anti-government demonstrators

• Youth and student protesters

• Albanian diaspora protesters

• Civil society groups

• Environmental activists and organizations

• Local residents of Zvërnec, Nartë, and Pishë-Poro

Political parties can still be listed separately as “supported by” if they are directly sourced, but they should not make the protest movement look party-led. The infobox should reflect that this is now described by sources as a broader civic, anti-government, and anti-establishment protest movement, not only a local environmental campaign against one resort project. Matete Plays (talk) 22:11, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

Already done Day Creature (talk) 20:29, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

Edit request 11 June 2026

Description of suggested change:

Note that the move discussion, above, was moved but reverted, instead of moved. ~2026-34389-69 (talk) 02:17, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

 Not done, it is unsure on what you wanted to edit as I am only able to see blank spaces. GuesanLoyalist (talk) 03:12, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

I've removed the banner entirely, as the move discussion has been reopened and is still ongoing. Chaotic Enby (in solidarity · talk · contribs) 14:47, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

Talk notice edit request 11 June 2026: change CT talk notice

Description of suggested change: Reading the article, it seems that only parts of it are related to the Arab-Israeli conflict. Therefore, I request a change to the talk notice to make it say that only parts of the article are under arbitration enforcement.

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~2026-34160-10 (talk) 06:20, 11 June 2026 (UTC) also, how can I stop getting kicked out of my temporary accounts?

Already done Danski454 (talk) 14:33, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

Albanian Flamingo Revelation

Remove Democratic Party from the support of Socialist Sali Berisha stated in Parliament that he supports the protesters and their cause. Could editors review whether Partia Demokratike should be listed as supporting the protests based on these statements and available sources? Remove PD asap. thank you.. ~2026-34247-11 (talk) 15:09, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

Do you have a source for this though? It must be a reliable source though, so it can be verifiable. GuesanLoyalist (talk) 22:10, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 June 2026

• The protests are not supported by The Democratic Party Of Albania. The democrats are against the protest ~2026-34402-51 (talk) 12:27, 12 June 2026 (UTC)
• In the infobox, please remove "Democratic Party of Albania (factions)[9]" from the Protesters' "Supported by" list. The Democratic Party of Albania is currently listed on both sides of the infobox, and its leader Sali Berisha supports the resort while protesters have called for his resignation (per the article lead), so listing the party as supporting the protesters appears contradictory and is not adequately supported. Thank you. ~2026-34502-60 (talk) 13:04, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

supported by mashkurkbazike5g, antidrroga07 ~2026-34502-60 (talk) 13:13, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

• The suporters part should exclude the democratic party and any democratic party involvement as they are not supporters of the protest and movement but instead are trying to infiltrate and brake it. The democratic party has interest conflict with this movement as the lider of the party has ties with the current government and benefits from the project for the which the protests started and stand. ~2026-34602-62 (talk) 13:40, 12 June 2026 (UTC)
• The democratic party supports the protest for their own interests hoping they can get into the mix and gain something from it. However no citizen is allowed to raise a flag of that party. They are not welcome because the protest is against the whole political class and not only against the government in power. Main chants are Rama in Jail, Berisha in Jail. Opposition is sold etc. ~2026-34684-23 (talk) 13:53, 12 June 2026 (UTC)
• Remove the Democratic Party as a supporter throughout. The protest is against both parties and the Democratic party has not been supporting nor the protesters have accepted them. ~2026-34686-12 (talk) 14:18, 12 June 2026 (UTC)
• Requesting to remove the Democratic Party “PD” from the list of supporting parties in this revolution given that it is on the other side as their head of party “Sali Berisha” openly went and claimed as righteous the Vjose-Narte and Sazan island project. A party cannot be both supporter and condemning of the reason the protests and revolution is being held. ~2026-34643-14 (talk) 22:00, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

Not done. Please provide reliable sources that confirm your statement. If you present those sources, please feel free to change back the request to answered=no. Friendly, Lova Falk (talk) 11:09, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

PS I also merged your multiple edit requests into one. Please, next time, create only one edit request!

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 June 2026 (4)

Requesting to remove the Democratic Party “PD” from the list of supporting parties in this revolution given that their head of party “Sali Berisha” openly went and claimed as righteous the Vjose-Narte and Sazan island project, backed by prime minister “Edi Rama” head of the Socialist Party “PS” in governance. A party cannot be both supporter and condemning of the project that triggered the protests and revolution that is taking place. Therefore it cannot stand beside the parties that are protesting this project and government. David Dermyshi (talk) 22:07, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

Already done The Democratic Party is now listed in its own section in the infobox, with a note about its changing position during the protests. Day Creature (talk) 20:31, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

Awareness of proseline

I plan on making some WP:BOLD changes to this article with regard to the heavy use of WP:PROSELINE. With rapidly updating and current events, the tendency is naturally to add to articles in this fashion. As of the current revision, the majority of paragraphs (I counted 37) begin with a dating clause ("On/in day month,"). A lot of these are short statements that indicate something happened on a date but give no indication of the notability of the date; this is especially noticeable in the international protests section. These can be easily be condensed down into a single continuous flow, so that the emphasis (of selected elements) is placed on the why and what, not the when. The other option is a timeline format, but I doubt there's enough info per day to do that effectively. TheAlienAdventures (talk) 09:47, 15 June 2026 (UTC)

European Union?

I don't see any reference that states that the government is supported by the European Union. RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 08:18, 17 June 2026 (UTC)

The thing is that Rama wants to join the EU, so if they [EU] get on Rama’s bad side, it could prevent Albania from joining, especially since Albania is close to joining anyways. It’s the same reasoning why the EU (or more accurately, the European Parliament) hasn’t fully condemned Vučić, because they [EU] still have a sliver of hope that he [Vučić] wants Serbia to join the EU. MarbleMax (talk) 21:20, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

Tl:dr the EU doesn’t support Rama, they just don’t want to accidentally screw over Albanians. MarbleMax (talk) 21:22, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

Public figures

This section was trimmed by @RoyalHeritageAlb and reverted by @Iaof2017. I don't think that a laundry list including non-notable persons, provided without context further than listing them as a supporter, serves any encyclopedic purpose (WP:INDISCRIMINATE). There's no indication of who these people are as it currently stands. Is there enough reporting on their activities to flesh out the bullets with no Wikipedia article? Are there interwiki links? TheAlienAdventures (talk) 07:44, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

Having an article in english is a good indicator of what it means to be a notable person. For example, Gala Dragot is just the daughter of Robert Aliaj. Should we include every family member of notable people just because there exist some article written about them on the web? RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 08:00, 19 June 2026 (UTC)

Im removing the ones lacking an article for the reason written above. RoyalHeritageAlb (talk) 14:17, 20 June 2026 (UTC)

Remove Marjana Koçeku

Including Marjana Koçeku in the infobox is stupid. It is just one person. By that logic, we should also include Elisa Spiropali since she has also expressed support for the protests. A more accurate framing would be “Anti-Rama factions of the Socialist Party”, or just removing her from the infobox entirely. Lightnightx3x (talk) 07:32, 21 June 2026 (UTC)

Oppose. Calling her inclusion “stupid” is not a useful argument. Koçeku is not being listed because she is simply “one person”; she is being listed because she is a sitting member of parliament who was elected from the ruling Socialist Party list, left the Socialist parliamentary group during the protests, became an independent MP, and then publicly joined the protest movement demanding Rama's resignation. That is a politically significant defection from the governing side.

This is not the same as Elisa Spiropali or other Socialist-affiliated figures making critical statements. Those belong in the reactions section unless they formally break with the parliamentary group or take a direct role in the protest movement. “Anti-Rama factions of the Socialist Party” would also be misleading, because no organized SP faction has been shown to be part of the protests. A named independent MP who broke from the ruling party is more precise and better sourced. Matete Plays (talk) 14:32, 23 June 2026 (UTC)

I disagree. By that logic we should also include Bernie Sanders wnd others since they too are politicians or VIP-s and have called out Rama. Lightnightx3x (talk) 14:38, 23 June 2026 (UTC)

I disagree with that comparison. Bernie Sanders and other foreign politicians/VIPs are external commentators. They did not hold office in Albania, did not belong to the governing Socialist parliamentary group, and did not defect from the ruling party during the protest wave. Koçeku did. She was a sitting MP elected from the Socialist Party list, left the Socialist parliamentary group, became an independent MP, and then publicly joined the calls for Rama's resignation.

So the issue is not “politician or VIP supports the protests = include in infobox”. The issue is whether the person is an internal political actor whose position changed during the protests in a way that is directly relevant to the conflict. Koçeku fits that; foreign politicians and celebrities do not. Matete Plays (talk) 14:40, 23 June 2026 (UTC)

Moreover her support for the protests has been listed in the “Public and organizational support” section. Also, if all of the PS MP-s left the party, would we all list them separately? Lightnightx3x (talk) 14:46, 23 June 2026 (UTC)

I understand the concern, but the “if all PS MPs left” scenario is not the situation here. If many Socialist MPs left as an organized group, then yes, we would list the group or faction rather than every MP separately. But Koçeku is currently notable because she is the specific sitting MP who broke from the governing party during the protest wave and then aligned herself with the protest demand for Rama’s resignation.

Her being mentioned in the “Public and organizational support” section does not automatically mean she cannot also appear in the infobox. The infobox is supposed to summarize the main parties/actors, and a sitting MP defecting from the ruling party is part of the political alignment of the conflict, not just ordinary public support. This is different from foreign politicians, celebrities, or commentators, who are external supporters and should only be in reactions/support sections.

That said, I am fine with keeping the wording narrow so it does not imply a wider Socialist faction. Something like “Marjana Koçeku (independent MP; former Socialist Party MP)” is more accurate than “anti-Rama factions of the Socialist Party”, because there is no sourced organized faction. Matete Plays (talk) 14:51, 23 June 2026 (UTC)

Oppose. Keep her in infobox. She is a current MP and is very relevant. Edit: forgot signature.--‎G. L. Talk 20:17, 23 June 2026 (UTC)

Oppose. Keep Marjana Koçeku listed in the infobox, per the reasoning of Matete Plays given above. ~2026-34151-47 (talk) 04:35, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

Background on environmental issues from academic sources

Here are a couple of journal articles with background info on the environmental issues in the Vjosa-Narta protected area:

• Shumka, Spase; Bego, Ferdinand; Beqiraj, Sajmir; Paparisto, Anila; Kashta, Lefter; Miho, Aleko; Nika, Olsi; Marka, Jani; Shuka, Lulezim (2018). "The Vjosa catchment – a natural heritage". Acta ZooBot Austria. 155 (1): 349–376 – via ResearchGate.
• Miho, Aleko; Bego, Ferdinand; Beqiraj, Sajmir (2023). "Overview of the Vjosa delta (Pishe Poro – Narta landscape protected area) – natural values and threats". Albanian Journal of Natural and Technical Sciences. 28 (3): 43–68 – via ResearchGate.

There are probably other sources as well. So far, this article seems to be relying exclusively on journalistic sources. That's fine for the current event, but limited when you're covering background. Peter G Werner (talk) 17:24, 24 June 2026 (UTC)