Talk:Coming Out Simulator 2014/GA1

GA review

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Nominator: Vrxces (talk · contribs) 07:13, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

Reviewer: Tarlby (talk · contribs) 21:59, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check.

   a (reference section): b (inline citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

Tarlby

Looks like an interesting game. Expect me to start soon! Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 21:59, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

Lead

• I don't believe you need to link video game.   On a cursory look at good practice, doing this is normal for video game articles.

Gameplay

• The article mostly says "the player" but occasionally strays off into "players" plural. You should choose only one. Y Agree, I've been picked up for this - I believe the convention is 'players' and have changed accordingly.
• Text is presented to the player through an interface that mimics the design of... I'd prefer the concise Text is presented through an interface mimicking the design of... Y Done!

Plot

• Narrating from a cafe in the present day, Nicky Case, the game's creator introduces the... Missing a comma Y

• ...includes the truth, half-truths and lies... Missing an Oxford comma used in the previous section. Y

• I'd prefer you add a paragraph break after the sentence you mention the names and appearances are altered. Y

• Might wanna link LGBT and gay considering you also linked bisexual. Y

• Does the mention of Case's life "getting better" specifically refer to the It Gets Better Project?   Actually no. Good call. I can remove the wikilink for now.

• Although Case at first expresses the game is not a game to be won or lost, they reflect they did "win" the game in the end... -> Although Case at first expresses the game is not a game to be won or lost, they reflect they did "win" in the end...
• Although Case at first expresses the game is not a game to be won or lost, they reflect they did "win" the game in the end, farewell players, and leave the cafe in the arms of a new boyfriend. This does not look grammatically correct. Y Agree, breaking this up into a few sentences for clarity.

Development

• Link independent developer to indie game. Y

• Case created the game for the three-week Nar8 game jam, an event encouraging developers to explore "experimental and interesting" narratives, a time-limited event, which gave... Does not sound grammatically correct. Case created the game for the three-week Nar8 game jam, an event encouraging developers to explore "experimental and interesting" narratives. As a time-limited event, it gave... Y

• I'd link gender transition. Y

Reception

• You've already linked coming out in the previous section.   Generally I think it's only an issue if wikilinked multiple times in the same section. I've removed a few so it's just once in the headline and once in the body.

• ...reinforced by the game's dialogue options reinforced its "terrifying" nature. Brainfart. Y Haha what was I doing there?

• Yannick LeJacq of Kotaku similarly commended the game... LeJacq similarly commended the game... Since they were already introduced. Y

• Writing for TakePart, Nicole Pasuka similarly the game was... Brainfart. You should also switch out "similarly" for something else since it was used only a couple sentences ago. Y

• Coming Out Simulator has also received critical and academic commentary. The previous subsection was also about the critical commentary? Y Good pickup!

• Otani writes the game is such an example because... Who? I think you also had another brainfart here. Y This is grammatically correct but unclear, so clarified we are talking about it being an example of what was discussed in the previous sentence i.e. "such an example" of a game exploring these issues.

• Ruberg states that the game... Who? Y Ok, Ruberg is notable so can just wikilink her name.

• ...these "identities manifest side by side in their work" through the experience of coming out to an family with an Asian migrant background. I assume you're speaking of the Asian migrant background of Ruberg, but you should make this clearer.   Not quite, we're talking about the background of Case. I've added "depicting the experience" to clarify we mean these intersections are demonstrated in the game.

Sourcing

I plan to check these sources (I will update if you add or remove any):

• 2 Good. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 21:47, 17 August 2025 (UTC)
• 4 Good. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 18:33, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
• 5 Good. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 16:20, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
• 6
• 7 Good. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 18:43, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
• 9 Good.
• 10 Missing an Oxford comma in the "moral or immoral" quote. It should also be "[taking] away" in brackets for the second quote since he says "takes away". Y
• 11 Good.
• 12 The citation points to page 77 when the game's mentioned on 81. Y The citation is already correct - look at the page on the magazine and not the page indexed by the IA.
• 14 Can't access, so I assume good competence on your part (or you can give me an online version if you can). Y Example quote: In this game, the flow of conversation progresses automatically, and the “normal and natural world” (hetero-sexism, hegemonic masculinity, homophobia, etc.) hunts down people. It allows players to experience sexuality and family conflicts behind the conversation options. By promoting dialogue with characters, it is possible to realize that the values of society that are considered “normal and natural” not only protect but also suppress people. It shows the player that the event is a “social problem.”
• 15 Same as above. Y Example quote: The game Coming Out Simulator (Figure 1), for example, focuses on the narrator’s experience addressing his bisexual identity with his parents. The game, with simple mechanics, technical requirements, and storyline, is playable in one class period and lends itself as a model for exploring identity, regardless of whether sexuality is a focus.
• 16 Same as above (y'know, I probably shouldn't have picked the citations I couldn't access...).   Hmm, not sure how I found this one.
• 17 Same as above. Y Example quote: Case identifies as both queer and a person of color, and these interconnected identities manifest side by side in their work—as in Coming Out Simulator, where the experience of coming out as queer to one’s family intersects with a family’s experience as immigrants to North America from Asia.
• 18 Good. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 16:20, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

@Vrxces Review done! The objections I've raised are so small that I'd rather just pass this now, but I'll wait and come back later if you're able to give me free versions of the paid sources if you wish. Tarlby ^{(t) (c)} 16:20, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

Done! Thanks so much for the spot check. I have a University library login for academic items, and can't really share these in full, but think it's fair use if I provide quotes from the sources demonstrating, at the very least, that the quotes do derive from the full sentences in the source. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 08:02, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

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