Talk:Cathy McMorris Rodgers
Latest comment: 5 years ago by Marquardtika in topic Elimination of "McMorris" from the title
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POV insertion
editThe following was inserted in the article:
- McMorris has taken $5,000 from Tom DeLay's ARMPAC.
- McMorris voted with Tom DeLay 98% of the time between Jan. 1 2004 and March 31 2005.
- McMorris voted to weaken the ethics rules in a move that many say served only to protect Tom DeLay.
- When Republicans realized it was "impossible to win the communications battle" over the gutted ethics rules, McMorris flip-flopped and voted to put the old rules back into place.
- When Democrats offered a solution to clean up the House by strengthening ethics rules, McMorris voted twice to make sure it never even came to an up or down vote.
This turned the article into a POV piece. -- Jonel | Speak 13:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
- Are these not facts? Aren't there enough references to back this up? In Wikipedia, a point of view or POV is one way of looking at an issue. Wikipedia seeks a neutral point of view by including all relevant POVs while explicitly attributing them to those who hold them. If the whole article is made POV as a result of the insertion of a couple of facts, then please look at balancing the article and tell the other side of the story. Perhaps McMorris returned some of the dirty money or donated it to charity. Maybe as a freshman she did not know what ARMPAC is all about. Please add your point of view to correct what you don't think is fair and balanced about these facts.Kgrr 01:01, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
- I placed the section in the talk page because it unbalanced the article. If you can't write a balanced article, please do not turn one into a biased piece. Campaign finance is not something for which I have any stomach, and I'm not going to go searching for balancing facts for all of the politicians whose articles you've edited.
- Also, even if balanced, the section still has large issues. First, DeLay no longer faces charges for conspiracy. Please remove that from every bio you have listed it on, as it is not true. Second, "McMorris voted to weaken the ethics rules in a move that many say served only to protect Tom DeLay" is a use of weasel words. Third, words such as "gutted" and "flip-flopped" are not at all useful in an NPOV encyclopedia entry unless part of someone's quote. Fourth, please provide a citation for the quote about the communication battle. Fifth, "McMorris voted twice to make sure it never even came to an up or down vote" is an intentionally misleading statement that plays upon the average reader's ignorance of standard Congressional procedures.
- The article as it stands now is *not* NPOV. Please either balance it or move the POV parts to the talk page until they can be balanced. — Jonel | Speak 03:12, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
The idiot version of "balanced" is to make a far right winger look like a centrist. -- 72.194.4.183 (talk) 04:01, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Article has been edited down to a set of liberal criticisms
editThese edits 1 2 3 selectively removed Rodgers' relevant accomplishments and positions that are likely to be viewed favorably by general readers and have effectively reduced the overall article down to a set of criticisms framed from an American liberal POV. The revision comment claimed that the content removed was poorly sourced, but upon inspection most of the content you removed was sourced and it's unclear why they found the sources to be problematic. I attempted to revert the changes, but someone reverted back. Please explain the objections to the sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.166.140.195 (talk) 02:31, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Elimination of "McMorris" from the title
editOn March 26, 2021, the title of the article was changed by Hong Kong Ian from "Cathy McMorris Rodgers" to "Cathy Rodgers". However, I noticed that every mention of "Rodgers" on the page is preceded by "McMorris", and the same is true if you google any news article about her. Considering that "McMorris" appears to be an integral part of her name, I don't see how it can be justified to remove it from the title. So I plan to change it back unless someone can explain the flaw in my reasoning here.--Jamesy0627144 (talk) 20:51, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
- @Jamesy0627144: thanks for bringing this up. I hadn't noticed the move. It shouldn't have been made. She goes by and is known as Cathy McMorris Rodgers, so that should be the page title. Any future moves to a different title should be discussed here first and not made without consensus. Marquardtika (talk) 16:44, 11 June 2021 (UTC)