Talk:Beto O'Rourke
Latest comment: 1 year ago by Curbon7 in topic "Perennial candidate"
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"Perennial candidate"
editZebulonMorn Curbon7 Rochambeau1783 Stormy160 Stop edit warring. Discuss. That this has been taken out as much as its been put back in demonstrates that this is challenged material and the WP:ONUS is on those who want to include it.
I am against inclusion. Look at those sources and their quotes. 538 says Even worse, they could be marked as perennial candidates
(emphasis added). NY Times does throw in a perennial Democratic hopeful
. Washington Examiner, a right-wing publication, unhelpfully shows their bias with perennial loser candidates
. US News uses the term "perennial candidate" with Both parties suffered high-profile losses on Election Day that tested the ability of perennial candidates and celebrities alike to turn their name recognition into votes and ultimately raised questions about whether some candidates are poised to exit the political stage after their latest defeats.
They do not tie it to any candidate in particular. These four cherrypicked sources do not establish WP:DUE weight for calling a former Congressman a "perennial candidate".
Continue to edit war and this will end up at the appropriate noticeboard. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:32, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
- I am also against inclusion. As I have said previously, Wikipedia's own definition of a perennial candidate states that they "rarely, if ever, win." While O'Rourke has had a handful of high profile losses, he's also served multiple terms in Congress and on the El Paso City Council, so he's won plenty of times. I also don't think three losses is so overwhelmingly "perennial" to cancel that out. As for the sources provided, I agree not only that they are cherrypicked but I think that this is a great example of how providing a long list of sources doesn't automatically mean a piece of information is "well-sourced." Stormy160 (talk) 17:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
- I would also add that a source would almost never say "and by the way this person is not a perennial candidate" because that is just not how journalism works, unless it is a specific topic of discussion (as in this Texas Tribune article). So what we see are a very small handful of sources using the term perennial or perennial candidate either as a shorthand or as as pejorative. Curbon7 (talk) 21:16, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
- Rochambeau1783 also added the term "perennial candidate" to other definitionally not perennial candidates at Stacey Abrams and Charlie Crist. Curbon7 (talk) 21:29, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
- Was this only done with Democratic politicians and if so, possible vandalism? Stormy160 (talk) 22:20, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
- WP:VANDALISM has a specific definition and this is not that. It is biased and potentially disruptive. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:37, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
- Was this only done with Democratic politicians and if so, possible vandalism? Stormy160 (talk) 22:20, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
- Rochambeau1783 also added the term "perennial candidate" to other definitionally not perennial candidates at Stacey Abrams and Charlie Crist. Curbon7 (talk) 21:29, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
- I would also add that a source would almost never say "and by the way this person is not a perennial candidate" because that is just not how journalism works, unless it is a specific topic of discussion (as in this Texas Tribune article). So what we see are a very small handful of sources using the term perennial or perennial candidate either as a shorthand or as as pejorative. Curbon7 (talk) 21:16, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
- I have left talkbacks on both Rochambeau1783 and ZebulonMorn talk pages, and am pinging them again in hopes they participate in this discussion. Noting that Rochambeau1783 has made edits since this discussion began, ZebulonMorn has not. Curbon7 (talk) 08:25, 3 March 2025 (UTC)