Talk:Bandit-warfare Badge

Edit by Elshane 5-6-2009

I added some information about this award, all of which is from sources I have found on the internet and cited below. This is my very first time making a major edit to a wiki page, so if it is incorrect or just plain bad, I take full responsibility for that, and please correct or improve things as necessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elshane (talk • contribs) 20:15, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

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The name is confusing: it's both "anti-partisan" and "guerrilla" (which is the same thing). Would there be any objections to moving to "Bandit-warfare Badge"? K.e.coffman (talk) 22:53, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

It is not so-easy as the translation most common is "anti-Partisan" per English sources I have reviewed although "bandit" is referred to; but the Germans would use several terms, many times hiding the true nature of what they were doing; many operations, as you know were a mixture of killing operations and some security operations but many times they were like the Pripyat swamps (punitive operation). Kierzek (talk) 23:50, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

This could be one of the few cases where it could make sense to go with the German name: Bandenkampfabzeichen. I find "anti-partisan guerrilla warfare badge" to be both confusing and euphemistic. Feedback? I could open a WP:RM to get wider input. K.e.coffman (talk) 04:12, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

In my academic research, most of the text books on this award refer to it as the "Anti-Partisan Guerrilla Warfare Badge" which seems to be the most accepted version in English. I would say we should stay with what works. -O.R.^Comms 20:20, 3 April 2017 (UTC)

The current name is Nazi. The Nazism is banned in many countries. The German page says Partisanen galten im Sprachgebrauch der Nationalsozialisten als „Banden“.Xx236 (talk) 06:49, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

The Nazis describes some people as louses. Would you describe a Louses-warfare Badge?Xx236 (talk) 06:47, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

I know you disagree, but to me Bandit warfare sounds almost jovial or frivolous, whereas anti-partisan conveys the brutal dirty warfare that goes with rooting out an enemy almost indistinguishable from the local population. Unnecessarily (talk) 16:06, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

The problem is that the operations many times were not against “partisans”, that was just the word used to hide the murder operations. Kierzek (talk) 15:48, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Yeah I understand that, but bandit hardly conveys the gravity of it either 🤷🏼‍♀️. I don't think there is a word that covers it. Unnecessarily (talk) 18:17, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

That's because, as we are so removed from banditry today, the word 'bandit' seems archaic and almost frivolous. This was not always the case and Nazi German leadership used the term to emphasise what they viewed as 'criminal' activity (since they didn't view guerrillas/partisans as legit), although the already-mentioned overlap with genocide still applied. However, eliminating partisans (military threat) and eliminating Jews (racial threat) were viewed as essentially the same thing in the Nazi worldview, securing that future living space (lebensraum) for German settlers, free of any undesirable elements (ideological, racial, or otherwise). 2A0A:EF40:2EC:E201:62AA:BA03:CAB8:F3AB (talk) 00:00, 7 March 2025 (UTC)